Mic suggestion

[Art Zemon]

Folks, 

Our new cantor is struggling with her dual ear headset. She has a FULL head of hair. When she wears it up, all is good. When she lets it down, it pulls her headset out of position. 

What suggestions do you have?

    -- Art Z.

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[Chet Leonard]

These come in single and dbl ear models.

https://www.bubblebeeindustries.com/products/the-sidekick-3-ifb-in-ear-monitor-mono

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[Art Zemon]

I'm missing something. She needs a mic, not an IEM. Does that have a mic?

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[Chet Leonard]

my bad,

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[Jim vanBergen]

Art, 

get some toupee clips and elasticized thread.  Used the elastic thread to tie the toupee clip to the back of the mic headband. Have her put her hair up, then put on the dual ear mic rig, then drop her hair back. Reach up under her hair and clip the toupee clip in to her hair. You may need more than one. -JvB

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[Art Zemon]

That's a cool idea. 

What about mics that hang on one ear? I have only used relatively inexpensive ones and they flop around a lot. Is there a brand or style that stays in place better?

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[Jim vanBergen]

I don't know who makes them, but between toupee clips, topstick, and medical tape like transpore and blenderm- you should be golden. single ear headsets are all about holding the wire in place with medical tape. 

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[Seablade -]

Honestly if fit correctly a standard E6 (Single Ear) should be pretty dang stable with just standard wire clips/tape behind the ear.  I despise taping ot the face and if fit correctly it shouldn't be needed.  In rare circumstances I use a little spirit gum on particularly sweaty dancers or people that go through intense fight choreography, but that is as close as I get usually.  The same holds true for most ear rig mics I have used.

If this mic is dedicated to a single person though, make sure you get the standard E6 and not the E6i (Flexible) as the latter will bend out of shape much easier.

        Thomas

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[Jim vanBergen]

Let's be clear, I never tape the face, only the cable on the back of the neck. I don't know WHO thinks it's ok to put tape on the face.

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[Joe Wilson]

> I don't know WHO thinks it's ok to put tape on the face.

Lots, and lots, and LOTS of high school and community theatre folks, apparently.

I try to "unteach" that practice when they get here.  Sometimes it works, and sometimes they seem to need a thwack of Transpore on the cheek just to feel comfortable.

@Art I'm going to second the Countryman e6 as a nice stable single-ear earset that sounds decent and doesn't require much fiddling.

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[Art Zemon]

Folks,

Thank you for the suggestions about the E6. It's also really helpful to know that these headsets can be secured without tape on the face; that was non-starter for me which is what drove me to try a dual-ear headset for her.

We have a couple of MMAudio MM-PSM sitting around so I will try one of those. If the wire isn't stiff enough then we can probably buy the cantor an E6.

    -- Art Z.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 8:00 AM Seablade - <seab...@gmail.com> wrote:

Honestly if fit correctly a standard E6 (Single Ear) should be pretty dang stable with just standard wire clips/tape behind the ear.  I despise taping ot the face and if fit correctly it shouldn't be needed.  In rare circumstances I use a little spirit gum on particularly sweaty dancers or people that go through intense fight choreography, but that is as close as I get usually.  The same holds true for most ear rig mics I have used.

If this mic is dedicated to a single person though, make sure you get the standard E6 and not the E6i (Flexible) as the latter will bend out of shape much easier.

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[Simon Eves]

I have tried several single-sided "ear-set" mics over the years (E6, Shure MX153, Point Source Audio, Microphone Madness, cheap Amazon stuff) and I have *never* been able to find a fitment I regarded as secure for use in musical theater. They're either uncomfortable for the actor, so they fiddle with them, and then they fall off, or they just fall off anyway.

I guess I'm just doing it wrong... :(

Loose B3s or PSM-Ls on the cheekbone and three pieces of Transpore for the win.

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[Art Zemon]

Simon,

Well that's a depressing thought. I'm using PSM-Ls in the theater (with three pieces of tape) and my experience is the same as yours: super secure. But I don't think that the cantor in our congregation is going to want to mess with that. OTOH, if it stays in place, she might see the wisdom in some messing around before the service instead of messing around during the service.

At least I've got three options to give her now: wig clips with her dual-ear headset, try a single ear headset, or try a PSM-L with tape.

    -- Art Z.

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I have tried several single-sided "ear-set" mics over the years (E6, Shure MX153, Point Source Audio, Microphone Madness, cheap Amazon stuff) and I have *never* been able to find a fitment I regarded as secure for use in musical theater. They're either uncomfortable for the actor, so they fiddle with them, and then they fall off, or they just fall off anyway.

I guess I'm just doing it wrong... :(

Loose B3s or PSM-Ls on the cheekbone and three pieces of Transpore for the win.

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[Simon Eves]

Ear-set mics really should be OK for somebody who's not moving around much. I'm just saying I have never been able to make them work for musical theater with dancing etc. without using so much tape it's pointless.

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[Joe Wilson]

I have both e6s and MM-PSMs in my inventory, and there's no comparison when it comes to stability or rigidity.  The ear loop and the boom of the e6 is much more rigid than the PSM and makes for a much more comfortable and reliable fit.

My student performers get the MM-PSMs, but my boss gets an e6 ;)

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[Art Zemon]

Joe,

That's good to know. I was messing with an MM-PSM tonight. I had no trouble getting it into shape so that it sat comfortably and firmly. But with just a careless touch, it loosened right up.

    -- Art Z.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 8:32 PM Joe Wilson <fader...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have both e6s and MM-PSMs in my inventory, and there's no comparison when it comes to stability or rigidity.  The ear loop and the boom of the e6 is much more rigid than the PSM and makes for a much more comfortable and reliable fit.

My student performers get the MM-PSMs, but my boss gets an e6 ;)

[Joe Wilson]

On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 10:35 PM Art Zemon <a...@zemon.name> wrote:

But with just a careless touch, it loosened right up.

Yeah I have a little remolding jig I made by tracing the shape of a fresh-from-the-package MM-PSM onto a piece of 1x4 and then lining both sides of the shape with finish nails.  That way when they come back wonky I can fix them.

~joe