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Elisheba Nelson
Nov 26, 2010, 11:04:28 AM11/26/10
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Dear Ones,
We are camping out in the woods, and do not have internet access very often... When we were in town, and may have gotten computer access, the computer was just turning off intermittently with no predictable pattern while we were trying to use it! We are praising Yah that He worked it out that our computer was with a 'computer doctor,' and he had just pulled all of the files off of it and onto a flash drive when the hard drive completely died! It is a blessing to be on today, and to be 'catching up.'
We are not seeing this month the same way you are. But then, we may be looking at different information...It was a tough call for many people in our movement this month, because some of us are still training our eyes and collecting data to understand how the moon works, and how the ancients understood the moon to tell them what date of the month it would be.
Psalm 81:3 is our basis. To get a clearer picture of the day the ancients understood as the full moon day, we have first considered Philo because he was the first one we were exposed to showing the Sabbaths according to the moon, and then the Book of Enoch as a resource because it was available during Philo's time - the language of Philo is similar to the book of Enoch- and some of its passages were alluded to or quoted in the Scriptures. After that, we went into other ancient astronomical information, which we have not quoted, to confirm the astronomical understanding of the moon's dates and phases.
In a nutshell:
The 14th/15th tells us which day will be the full moon. Some people think the 14th ends at sunset and others in the morning. However, the day of the 14th is the day the moon becomes full. The full moon is not late, your calculations set you a day early. The 14th is the day that the sun sets around the time the moon rises - that is the day the moon becomes full. It is also called the 'opposition day' in some ancient astronomical literature. The 15th is when the moon has all the portions of light in it, and also is the [first] day [in the month] the moon rises in the night. This is the astronomical information shown in the book of Enoch chapter 78 - which confirms the 14th being the opposition day in other writings.
Blessings to you all,
Tom & elisheba
PS We are looking for some studies that are reasonably easy to follow, showing how it is that this land is considered Israel in earlier times - There has been very little available in the past century .... If anyone has anything that would be helpful we would appreciate it. We suspect that the pilgrims/puritans etc. had that idea, and even the 2300 day prophecy, which the Millerites used to bring attention to 1844 - although they didn't understand what the term 'then shall the sanctuary be cleansed' meant.... It appears that they were also familiar with the 2520, which I believe is related to the seven times, and if that didn't bring Israel to repentance, then it would be seven times seven... Anyway, it is something we would like to get a handle on... Shalom
We are camping out in the woods, and do not have internet access very often... When we were in town, and may have gotten computer access, the computer was just turning off intermittently with no predictable pattern while we were trying to use it! We are praising Yah that He worked it out that our computer was with a 'computer doctor,' and he had just pulled all of the files off of it and onto a flash drive when the hard drive completely died! It is a blessing to be on today, and to be 'catching up.'
We are not seeing this month the same way you are. But then, we may be looking at different information...It was a tough call for many people in our movement this month, because some of us are still training our eyes and collecting data to understand how the moon works, and how the ancients understood the moon to tell them what date of the month it would be.
Psalm 81:3 is our basis. To get a clearer picture of the day the ancients understood as the full moon day, we have first considered Philo because he was the first one we were exposed to showing the Sabbaths according to the moon, and then the Book of Enoch as a resource because it was available during Philo's time - the language of Philo is similar to the book of Enoch- and some of its passages were alluded to or quoted in the Scriptures. After that, we went into other ancient astronomical information, which we have not quoted, to confirm the astronomical understanding of the moon's dates and phases.
In a nutshell:
The 14th/15th tells us which day will be the full moon. Some people think the 14th ends at sunset and others in the morning. However, the day of the 14th is the day the moon becomes full. The full moon is not late, your calculations set you a day early. The 14th is the day that the sun sets around the time the moon rises - that is the day the moon becomes full. It is also called the 'opposition day' in some ancient astronomical literature. The 15th is when the moon has all the portions of light in it, and also is the [first] day [in the month] the moon rises in the night. This is the astronomical information shown in the book of Enoch chapter 78 - which confirms the 14th being the opposition day in other writings.
Blessings to you all,
Tom & elisheba
PS We are looking for some studies that are reasonably easy to follow, showing how it is that this land is considered Israel in earlier times - There has been very little available in the past century .... If anyone has anything that would be helpful we would appreciate it. We suspect that the pilgrims/puritans etc. had that idea, and even the 2300 day prophecy, which the Millerites used to bring attention to 1844 - although they didn't understand what the term 'then shall the sanctuary be cleansed' meant.... It appears that they were also familiar with the 2520, which I believe is related to the seven times, and if that didn't bring Israel to repentance, then it would be seven times seven... Anyway, it is something we would like to get a handle on... Shalom
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Topic: Eighth ChoDeSh CycleIaHU-NaTaN <i...@iahushua.com> Oct 31 06:37AM -0700 ^
ShaLOM To ALL!
Doing a Redundant Look Ahead at The Eighth ChoDeSh Cycle.. Beginning 11/7/10 -We
Can QoDeSh it!
Looks like we get to Sojourn with the "sunday" keepers..
At Temple Mount: Final Crescent will be visible 11/5/10 which is our 28th
Next geocentric conjunction: "Saturday" 6th November 2010 Gregorian 06:52 Local
Time
Topocentric conjunction: 05:10 Local Time
Mean conjunction: 18:41:58 Local Time
Calendrical conjunction (Molad): 20:43:14 Local Time
First Crescent 11/7/10
Full Moon will be a little late:
Next geocentric full Moon: Sunday 21st November 2010 Gregorian 19:28 Local Time
Topocentric full Moon: 18:06 Local Time
Mean full Moon: 13:03:59 Local Time
Calendrical full Moon (nigud): 15:05:16 Local Time
We have a better fit PST..
Conjunction: 11/5/10 at 9:52 PM
First Crescent: 11/7/10
First Quarter: 11/13/10 at 8:39 AM
Waxing Gibbous: 11/16/10 *2:15 AM
FullMoon: 11/21/10 at 9:28 AM
Waning Gibbous: 11/26/10 *4:17 AM
Last Quarter: 11/28/10 12:37 PM
Final Crescent: 12/4/10
Next geocentric conjunction: "Sunday" 5th December 2010 Gregorian 09:36 Local
Time
Topocentric conjunction: 08:20 Local Time
Mean conjunction: 21:26:01 Local Time
Calendrical conjunction (Molad): 23:27:18 Local Time
Eighth ChoDeSh 11/7
KeSeH 11/21 5:28PM GMT 9:28AM PST
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IaHU-NaTaN
Nov 28, 2010, 1:35:27 AM11/28/10
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Hey ShaLOM! Good to Hear from you..
iii-I will Respond Below
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Dear Ones,
We are camping out in the woods, and do not have internet access very often... When we were in town, and may have gotten computer access, the computer was just turning off intermittently with no predictable pattern while we were trying to use it! We are praising Yah that He worked it out that our computer was with a 'computer doctor,' and he had just pulled all of the files off of it and onto a flash drive when the hard drive completely died! It is a blessing to be on today, and to be 'catching up.'
We are not seeing this month the same way you are. But then, we may be looking at different information...It was a tough call for many people in our movement this month, because some of us are still training our eyes and collecting data to understand how the moon works, and how the ancients understood the moon to tell them what date of the month it would be.
iii- Yes.. But of course we can Only use that as a Basis.. Being Scattered we Live in a Much Bigger World... We need to Consider the Big Picture and Have the Tools to Accomplish this. A Major Realization was Given to me.. There Can Only Be One Seventh Day ShaBaT in Any Given Week!
Psalm 81:3 is our basis. To get a clearer picture of the day the ancients understood as the full moon day, we have first considered Philo because he was the first one we were exposed to showing the Sabbaths according to the moon, and then the Book of Enoch as a resource because it was available during Philo's time - the language of Philo is similar to the book of Enoch- and some of its passages were alluded to or quoted in the Scriptures. After that, we went into other ancient astronomical information, which we have not quoted, to confirm the astronomical understanding of the moon's dates and phases.
iii- Yes I Value your Research and your Input.. I immediately felt Connected when I found that you Already Agreed about Psalm 81:3 and Our Anchor Full moon on the 14th/15th.. Since then I have discovered that there are Actually Seven Pegs on which to Tie Our Guidelines.. these being the Seven Light Phases of the Moon. . based on the Fact that The Light From the Sun and Moon is "ORDAINED to Divide between Day and between night and to be for SIGNS for MO'EDIM and Days and Years." Moon is APPOINTED for MO'EDIM.. so what Sign? the Seven distinct Phases. what made it even more Solid was when I discovered the Gibbous Moon and how it displays before The 10th and also Before the 21st.. The phases don't align with Perfection at any one location (that I have found.. but we do have one Cycle coming up). But when we go for the
Overall Picture and see that it takes the Sun 12 hours to get to the other side of the Earth we Know that Somewhere that Phase Was Presented on that Daily Cycle. We Start Daily Cycle at Temple Mount Because that is Where IaHUeH Made ChoDeSh and we Reverence the Place.. (Lev. 19:30) In Short We Go for the Best Possible Fit for the Most Possible Locations.. I go over it around every 3rd ShaBaT to see if the Next Cycle Fits.. and make announcement..
In a nutshell:
The 14th/15th tells us which day will be the full moon. Some people think the 14th ends at sunset and others in the morning. However, the day of the 14th is the day the moon becomes full.
iii- This Accuracy and Precision was probably not so available to the Ancients.. to be able to know from day one the Exact Hour of Full Moon. and we can only do it by location.. Full Moon on the 14th/15th is a Solid Anchor.. this Cycle the 15th was the Day that the Moon was still visible after Sunrise (the Start of the day) so it was a good fit.. but looking back... at Temple Mount it did set Earlier.. I will have to consider that aspect Closer in future.. since it is the Anchor.. but Hey we are talking less than half an hour.. and by All Appearances the Moon was Full before the 15th.. the other Pegs fit Pretty good.. The 1st was the day that First Crescent was sighted (our only non Scriptural Guideline) First Quarter was on the 7th.. Waxing Gibbous was on the 9th ... full moon was on 14th/15th .. waning Gibbous on the 20th..
third quarter is late.. final Crescent Early.
IaHU-NaTaN
Nov 28, 2010, 4:34:58 PM11/28/10
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The Moon probably due to its Elliptical Orbit does not display its phases with Precise Regularity..
there seems to be a sort of circuit that we are going into the extreme of:
The Next Full Moon will be 15 days 14 hours and 44 minutes old at perfection with 14 days till conjunction
The Next Full Moon will be 15 days 14 hours and 44 minutes old at perfection with 14 days till conjunction
During the Second ChoDeSh Cycle it was:
13 Days 22 Hours and 5 Minutes with 15.5 Days till Conjunction
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