Lalith,
All these are your own version of Buddhism. I have not a single version from two
Buddhists ....
As you
imply it is an individual's descretion to choose his own Buddhism ....
Thank you Allah forISLAM the confusion-free universal religion for Humanity
....Its singular version with well preserved scripture is a priced treasure that
You Allah favoured us with.
Glory be to you O Allah .... The Lord of the seven heavens and beyond .... We
submit to you wholehearted .... there is none worthy of worship except you O
Allah. Every one else including Muhammed (pbuh) and Buddha are all nothing more
than your humble servants and slaves.
O Allah you said it true when you said .... " The only way acceptable to You
today is ISLAM". May all beings who read this message know it so that on the Day
of Judgment I would have fulfilled my responsibility to inform this truth. And
the choice is theirs ...
Niyas Abbas.
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protectm...@yahoogroups.comSent: Thu, 4 August, 2011 13:15:20
Subject: RE: Arabian Peninsula is declared the idol-free land in the world
Dear Nakeeb,
We talk via e
mails then they are not interactive as you have realized.
Therefore it is better to make some grey areas to correct.
1. Buddhist temple is a center which is easier to contemplate the virtues of
tripple Gem. Further, it is to practice Buddhism via Noble eight fold path
and then
focus to meditation to the path to Nirvana.
2. Because of the harmless nature of Buddhism as well as due to the Indian
Hindu influence, the hindu temples (we call it Devala) attached to Buddhist
Vihara.
Some people visit Devala and some not. Making a Devala inside a Vihara
premises is all up to the people near to the temple and it is not the making of
such Devala
but what they get out of the Devala.
3. If a Buddhist want to offer any pujas to a God, as Sachitra said, 'it will
be their problem'. This is only if the
particular Buddhist gone in a different
direction
than explained in No 1. However you may see many Buddhists who have
realized the message of Buddha even go to Devala but they will offer merits to
Gods and
not worship as well as not praying. You may notice the symbolic way how
they do it. (not keeping both the fingers of hands together but crossed) What I
meant
by prayers are; they would not submissive themselves to a God.
4. As there were many followers from different sects attracted to Lord Buddha's
doctrine in his time, out of compassion he did not want the other priests
suffered
without having the supports from previous followers. Then he had
advised continue treating them.
5. If you carefully read the Ratana sutra; it is a comment to the
Gods to
protect humans who offer Pujas to Gods. That was the primary comment and you
will see
the relationship of offering pujas. 'I see it as not a must' and visiting a
Devala and offering a puja but depends on the person. Some Buddhists happily
offer pujas and
some not.
6. If a Buddhists offer a puja to a God, that act will not disqualify him being
a Buddhists. Because Buddhism considered as a path to freedom and not a
destination.
7. There are no groups as Buddhists as you think and it is not correct if you
say you are a non-Buddhist. Both the comments have the smell of ego.
All the humans are Buddhists in a certain way while they are again non
Buddhists up to the point till when they attain Nirvana. Therefore you can have
as many
as comments, criticisms as you wish.
8. I did not mention you to refrain asking any questions. Please read what I
said.
In the thread of your writings, you said few people follow Kalama sutra. This
'few' word is subjective and I would say that 'few' word is massive compare to
the people
in a Muslim country. Otherwise you would not have so many Mosques in Sri Lanka
or in India by now compare to Hindu or Buddhist temples in a Muslim country.
Re the point no 7, you can try a small experiment on yourself if you wish. Take
a paper, write the same question, ' Who am I ?' hundred times. You may require
answer
honestly (like-I am a lawyer, I am an Islamists etc, I am a person who has given
the total submission to Allah . . . .etc ) but your answers must be always
different
but the truth. What would you write at the end ??
Well, I have tried it and much before the 100th question, I have
run out of
answers. It means we make labels on ourselves and the correct answer
is 'nobody'.
This is a simple simile however it depicts Buddhism.
Thanks & kind regards
Lalith
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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 07:48:30 -0700
From:
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protectm...@yahoogroups.comDear Lalith,
Thank you for your response.
I have understood that there is none, whether on earth or in the heavenly realms
above Buddha so he did not have to offer any Puja to any deity or celestial
being. All those Hindu deities are levels below him. But he advised his
disciples and Monks that they may worship and offer Puja to these deities. This
is Buddhist principle as explained by you. Therefore, it is perfectly alright
for the Buddhists to offer Puja to Hindu
deities. You will probably have no
objection having a Hindu temple in the premises of Buddhist Vihara.
I would have expected knowledgeable person like Sachitra would have responded to
my previous mails by simply stating the above doctrine. Now that you have
clarified this pointI am thankful to you for changing my perception about
Buddhism.
As a non-Buddhist I have no further comments because it is your
religion/philosophy and you practice the way you have understood it.
As you mentioned I will refrain from asking any further question to prolong this
discussion.
Kind regards,
Nakeeb
--- On Thu, 4/8/11, LALITH KARUNARATNA <
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>From: LALITH KARUNARATNA <
lalithka...@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: Arabian Peninsula is declared the idol-free land in the world
>To:
nak...@yahoo.com, "Mukesh Varma" <
mukes...@yahoo.com>,
>
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk, "Muragala Owner" <
muragal...@yahoogroups.com>, "Babu
>Sushilan" <
babusu...@yahoo.com>, "Ruwan Weerasinghe"
><
protec...@yahoo.com>, "Kumar" <
kumar...@yahoo.com>, "Suresh Pundamon"
><
ssk...@yahoo.com>, "Thomas Kurian" <
ttk...@yahoo.com>, "nagaraj patil"
><
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>Katyal" <
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>
protectm...@yahoogroups.com>Received: Thursday, 4 August, 2011, 10:48 PM
>
>
>
>Dear Nakeeb,
>
>I would like to answer the last question of yours.
>
>It is rather unclear to me the reason why you are enquiring a simple fact which
>all are knowing. I am wondering my reply would be a base for another
>discussion. However let me tell you his
stance. By born as a human, Buddha
>reached the supreme state called Buddhahood and no one above him.
>
>Therefore he did not make any puja to any other beings. If I take a simile, it
>is like, if the Pope will come to a humble believer and kneeling in front
>
>of him. Would that happen? I think we all know that there are no grounds it to
>happen.
>
>Buddha concludes with a poem:
>
>Who is wise and virtuous, Gentle and keen-witted,
>Humble and amenable, Such a one to honor may attain.
>Who is energetic and not indolent, In misfortune unshaken,
>Flawless in manner and intelligent, Such a one to honor may attain.
>Who is hospitable and friendly, Liberal and unselfish,
>A guide, an instructor, a leader, Such a one to honor may attain.
>Generosity, sweet speech, Helpfulness to others, Impartiality to all,
>As the case demands. These four
winning ways make the world go round,
>As the linchpin in a moving car. If these in the world exist not,
>Neither mother nor father will receive,
>Respect and honor from their children.
>
>From The Sigalovada Sutta, DN31,
>translated by Narada Thera
>(
http://world.std.com/~metta/canon/digha/dn31.html).
>
>All the good qualities mentioned above were with Lord Buddha and he was
>obviously worthy of respect. He is considered the blameless one,
>
>enlightened one, all knowing one. Therefore there is no one in any world system
>that Lord Buddha would make pujas.
>
>
>His prolonged and systematic application to spiritual growth and his penetrating
>analysis of this world enabled him to reach "awakening"
>
>from the dream of existence. But his
awakening was
not based on his education.
>His "awakening" was a result of both his penetrating
>
>understanding of the human mind and his personal spiritual development. It was a
>psychological transformation of his consciousness.
>He had discovered the path to liberation, freedom from emotional bondage. It was
>the supreme state of peace - NIRVANA.
>
>In Buddhism, everything is explained by conditions - by a systematic analysis of
>conditions, circumstances, observable facts, experience;
>
>so that there is no need for recourse to superstition. The Buddha was not a
>messenger from God who is controlling the world; his message
>
>was "come, understand, and test for yourself" this verifiable discovery. There
>is no command to "come, believe and repent" and no resultant
>
>guilt complexes. Because of this new vision, many saints belonged to many sect
>became his followers. Therefore there were no reasons that
>
>he, Buddha would offer any Puja to anyone in the human world.
>
>When the Buddha arrived at the Deer Park in Isipathana, and was approaching the
>huts where the “Pasvaga-mahanun” or five-ascetics were
>
>residing, one of them recognized him in the distance and informed the others.
>They decided that they should refrain from greeting a person
>
>whom they considered as having given up the ‘austere practice’ of striving for
>Enlightenment. But as he came closer, they were so impressed
>by His radiant bearing that they stood up at once and greeted Him with great
>respect. After the Buddha had washed His hands and feet with
>
>the offered jug of water, and sat down on a stool, they also offered him a bowl
>of cool water to quench his thirst. They now sat in a circle
>
>around him. The Buddha looked at them with kindness and a benign smile and said,
>“Brothers, I have found the Way, and I will show it to you.”
>
>Were they simple monks? No, they were experts of prevailing Hindu three-vedhas
>and considered as saints. They too could not stop respect
>him.
>
>Out of many glorious victories of the Buddha over his opponents the victory upon
>Baka Brahma who was the king of the Brahma world.
>It was the most significant in terms of philosophical beliefs. Baka Brahma and
>his seventy-two followers believed that they were
>eternal. While residing in Jetavana monastery at Savatthi, the Lord saw in his
>vision that it was time to straighten the view of these Brahmas
>
>who were in the realm of Maha Brahma, the highest abode among the first Jhana
>planes. They thought they were eternal however Buddha
>
>convinced them about the transient nature of even the Brahma lokas. Eventually
>they admired the Buddha and praise him with the following
>
>words; "There is no equality to Lord Buddha in all the three classes of
>existence, neither among Brahmas, nor in Devas and Humans.
>
>The Buddha has all the powers, he is
>omniscient."
> All the Brahmas who were present discarded their wrong views and converted into
>the right view. They all took refuge in the Buddha saying,
> "We will follow the teachings of Lord Buddha." Lord Buddha then expounded the
>Dhamma, the Four Noble Truths to the audience
>
>of Brahmas including Baka. I have a feeling this the being you are believeing as
>God as the leader of Brahma loka.Just after his enlightenment,
>
>Also, another Brahma called Sahampati had appeared before him and respectfully
>invited Him
to preach the Dhamma.
>
>
>In fact, I have just included very few examples to further explain that there
>were no grounds that Buddha offered any pujas to anyone in
>
>the human world or anyone from heavenly worlds however he had advised to do so .
>Hope I have cleared your doubts.
>
>
>Thanks & kind regards
>
>
>Lalith
>
>
>
>
________________________________
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:58:09 -0700
>From:
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>To:
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>Dear Lalith,
>
>Rest assured that I do not get emotional by your
suggestion that we Muslims are
>the biggest idolators. It is my duty as a Muslim to clear your confusion as to
>whom Muslim worship.
>
>Ka'aba is called by Muslims as 'Qibla' that means 'direction'. Initially Muslims
>were praying towards the direction of Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem because it has
>significance with previous prophets like Moses and Jesus (pbut). Jews were
>mocking at the Muslims that after all you are praying towards our mosque. One
>day when the Muslims were praying at a mosque in 'Kufa' the revelation came to
>change the direction towards
Ka'aba. The mosque at Kufa still shows the two
>directions and known as the 'Qiblathain' (mosque of two directions). the
>following verse from Qur'an clarifies the direction of the prayer:
>2:142 The fools among the people will say: "What hath turned them from the QIBLA
>to which they were used?" Say: To Allah belong both east and West: He guideth
>whom He will to a Way that is straight.
>
>
>As for the black stone, it was in ka'aba ever since it was re-built by the
>Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham). Like you, many people of that time thought that it
>was a holy object. After the conquest of Ka'aba Prophet Mohammad (pbuh)
>commanded Bilal, a black Abyssinian slave to climb up the ka'aba where the black
>stone was implanted, to proclaim the monotheistic message of Islam that:
>Allah is the Greatest (4 times)
>I bear witness that there is no deity (worthy of worship)
except Allah (2
times)
>I bear witness that Mohammad is the messenger of Allah (2 times)
>
>This proclamation while standing on top of the black stone had sealed any doubt
>that the black stone or ka'aba is not a holy 'object' of worship.
>
>Now to answer your other questions:
>
> * I have already mentioned that for the sake of discussion let us assume that
>the worship in Islam is a 'cut & paste' from Hinduism. I have also clarified the
>most prominent 'cut & paste' is the worship of a 'formless' entity which is in
>Hinduism mentioned as 'Pratima' in their Vedic scripture (which they do not
>follow now)
>
> * I have viewed the kalama Sutra video posted by you. I am impressed by the
>teaching of Buddha but sadly, a very thin minority of Buddhists like you follow
>his teaching. Others are going after the
Hindu deities for benefits by offering
>Puja to them.
> * You have not commented on my proposition that Buddha had never worshiped or
>offer Puja to any Hindu deities. I would be grateful if you can clarify this
>matter to me.
>Kind regards,
>
>Nakeeb
>
>
>
>--- On Thu, 4/8/11, LALITH KARUNARATNA <
lalithka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: LALITH KARUNARATNA <
lalithka...@hotmail.com>
>>Subject: RE: Arabian Peninsula is declared the biggest idol in the world
>>To:
nak...@yahoo.com, "Mukesh Varma" <
mukes...@yahoo.com>,
>>
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk, "Muragala Owner" <
muragal...@yahoogroups.com>, "Babu
>>Sushilan" <
babusu...@yahoo.com>, "Ruwan Weerasinghe"
>><
protec...@yahoo.com>, "Kumar" <
kumar...@yahoo.com>, "Suresh Pundamon"
>><
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ttk...@yahoo.com>, "nagaraj patil"
>><
patil_...@yahoo.com>, "real heart" <
realheart...@gmail.com>, "Shadi
>>Katyal" <
shadi...@yahoo.com>, "Bawwa Bawwa" <
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>>"Trishool" <
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>>Cc:
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>>
protectm...@yahoogroups.com>>Received: Thursday, 4 August, 2011, 6:49 AM
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Nakeeb,
>>
>>It seems you have been taken idol worshiping as not a cut and paste information
>>from the other cultures,
religions.
>>
>>If you think your posting was relevant as idol worshiping, let's talk about it.
>
>>
>>Mohammad just change the human interface of the idol worshiping in Mecca but not
>>totally removed the idol worshiping.
>>
>>Therefore, I safely think Islam as the most idolatrous religion. An idol is
>>defined as the equivalent of a deity used as an object of worship. All Muslims
>>worship the Kaaba because
>>it contains a stone which is taken as a similitude of their beloved God
>>Allah. Though Allah is not said to have
>>
>>a human or a divine form as per the Koran proclamations, Mohammed did not
>>construct a statue, instead he cleverly used
>>Kaaba (just as a stone or object) to represent Allah just because he had been
>>destroying other idols and it was
>>
>>a necessity for another form of idol to sooth the general public. So all Muslims
>>worshiping the Kaaba five times a day
>>(Sunnis -5 times, Shiites -3 times) worship an idol. There is a rather
>>interesting observation in Shiites as they carry a stone
>>around and they pray in front of the stone.
>>No other religion has such mass worship of anidol. Therefore I think Islam is
>>the most idolatrous religion in the world
>>and it is a direct cut and paste of idol worshiping from the Hindu religion. As
>>you did not say anything about the prayer style
>>compare to the Yoga methods, Pranayama methods, I do not want to comment in it
>>except suggest you to ask what is
>>
>>the meaning of 'Wajrasana' (or Wajirasana) by one of your friend who is doing
>>pranayama/ yoga.
>>
>>
>>Then
you may check out how much it resemble with Islamic prayers.
>>
>>As for the Kaaba uniting Muslims most Muslims have been killed by other
>>Muslims. Today we have violence of all kinds,
>>Sunni on Shia (famous in Bahrain), Shia on Sunni, Sunni on Sunni, Shia on Shia,
>>etc. Even Mecca itself has been the scene
>>
>>of Muslim blood letting. This is inspired by the worshipping of the Kaaba then
>>the ritual called 'Yakata gal gaseema' as
>>
>>Sri Lanakan muslims usually said. This means, 'stoning the devil' at a certain
>>place near to Kaaba with rage and anger.
>>
>>This is the reason I make Allah equal to 'Huniyam Deviyo' in Sri Lanka or the
>>God Kali where the subject will be observing
>>via the anger, hate, vengeance and no compassion, love or unity not practiced.
>>
>>
>>Please take this note as a discussion to find the truth and hope you will take
>>it not as emotional because I do not have
>>whatsoever idea to make you or any Muslim person unhappy. Also there is no
>>reason for me to be confused or blinded by
>>the comments from 'so called hate mongers' as you said in previous mail.
>>
>>I see the truth via Kalama sutra uttered by Lord Buddha. I humbly suggset, you
>>may also watch the following video.
>>
>>Please visit web link:
>>
>>
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheTarun23#p/a/u/1/lRgzLPU-EHE>>
>>
>>Thanks & kind regards
>>
>>
>>Lalith
>>
________________________________
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011
09:17:37
-0700
>>From:
nak...@yahoo.com>>Subject: Arabian Peninsula is declared as an idol-free land
>>To:
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>Dear Lalith,
>>
>>I am not surprised about your interest in the 'cut & paste' information in Islam
>>as described by a Hindu and your proposition that Islamic worship has
>>resemblance of Yoga.
>>
>>
>>For the purpose of this discussion let us assume what you have mentioned are
>>true. However, the unshakable fact of Islamic worship is that it is a submission
>>to an Almighty God Allah unlike in Hinduism where deities of all forms are
>>worshiped. For your information Buddha himself did not worship or offer Puja to
>>any of the Hindu deities.
>>
>>It is this monotheistic concept in Islam that stands out from all other
>>religions in the world. The concept of 'Formless' entity (Pratima in Sanskrit)
>>that controls this universe is in the original Vedic scripture in Hinduism.
>>Rather than highlighting this fundamental similarity in these two religions the
>>pundits would talk about rituals and black stones etc.
>>
>>
>>Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) when he conquered Ka'aba in a bloodless take
over first
>>thing he did was to destroy all idols that were kept inside Ka'aba and declared
>>that this land will continue to be idol-free in the future. That is why you are
>>not allowed to bring any idols inside Saudi Arabia.
>>
>>
>>Kind regards,
>>
>>Nakeeb
>>
>>--- On Thu, 4/8/11, LALITH KARUNARATNA <
lalithka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: LALITH KARUNARATNA <
lalithka...@hotmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Meet Ten Year Old Muslim Brides
>>>To: "Mukesh Varma" <
mukes...@yahoo.com>,
nak...@yahoo.com,
>>>
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk, "Muragala Owner" <
muragal...@yahoogroups.com>, "Babu
>>>Sushilan" <
babusu...@yahoo.com>, "Ruwan Weerasinghe"
>>><
protec...@yahoo.com>, "Kumar" <
kumar...@yahoo.com>, "Suresh Pundamon"
>>><
ssk...@yahoo.com>, "Thomas Kurian" <
ttk...@yahoo.com>, "nagaraj patil"
>>><
patil_...@yahoo.com>, "real heart" <
realheart...@gmail.com>, "Shadi
>>>Katyal" <
shadi...@yahoo.com>, "Bawwa Bawwa" <
bawwa...@gmail.com>,
>>>"Trishool" <
lalh...@yahoo.com>,
"Ranjith Silva" <
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>>>"pubudu shiran" <
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>>>Cc:
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>>>
protectm...@yahoogroups.com>>>Received: Thursday, 4 August, 2011, 12:15 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Mukesh,
>>>
>>>You have mentioned, 'cut and paste' information in Islam.
This is interesting
>>>however I honestly do not have an idea what materials
>>>Islamists taken (if they) from Hinduism except the Yoga methods as some scholars
>>>believe. I remember someone posted a very interesting article about the
>>>similarity of Prana Yoga to Islamic prayer styles however the writer did not
>>>explained them by pictures.
>>>
>>>I have seen how the Yogis and their followers conducting Prana Yama sessions and
>>>surprisingly the movements are similar to the
>>>Islamic prayer style. I am having very little exposure to the Hindu yoga
>>>methods, however I was able to overcome some of my own ailments using the basic
>>>Prnayama methods thanks to my Hindu friends. Who knows? May be Prophet Mohammad
>>>introduced such methods to keep his followers fit and healthy doing five times
>>>of a Prana Yogas are obviously good for the human body.
>>>
>>>If this information is a cut and paste information, I wonder why Islamists eat
>>>meat while the Yogis never encourage to eat meat.
>>>
>>>If I did not say how much influence the Hindu teachers had on Lord Buddha, this
>>>e mail will be incomplete. The meditation method
>>>called 'Aanapana sathi' lead to 'Vipassana meditation' is consists of primery
>>>brething methods. Though the vipassana meditation
>>>is a unique discovery by Lord Buddha leding to the finl emanciption , the
>>>entrance/ (or support) in to it is contemplation on breathing which very well
>>>explined in Hindu yoga methods. Also, the mudra usually seen in statues of Lord
>>>Buddha's hand is famous 'Chin Mudra' explained in Hinduism thousands
>>>years before Lord Buddha had born.
>>>
>>>Coming bck to the topic, taking Hindu yoga methods in to Islm was most probably
>>>a fact as as he was working under rich widow
>>>Khadija who was involving in mercantile/ business. She and (later Mohammad) had
>>>used caravans to transport the goods then
>>>were able to met many nationalities as per some scholars. There is a high chance
>>>that Prophet Mohammad met Indians who came
>>>to Arabia for business having such knowledge and then having the influence of
>>>yoga methods in his prayer styles.
>>>
>>>Coming back to your argument, I appreciate if you can show what are those 'cut
>>>and paste' information from Hinduism.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks & kind regards
>>>
>>>
>>>Lalith
>>>
>>>
>>>
________________________________
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 01:19:32 -0700
>>>From:
mukes...@yahoo.com>>>Subject: Re: To Jayasri THE LIAR ..... Re: Meet Ten Year Old Muslim Brides
>>>To:
nak...@yahoo.com;
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk;
muragal...@yahoogroups.com;
>>>
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kumar...@yahoo.com;
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>Dear Lalith,
>>>
>>>I have noted that a lot of valuable inputs have been provided on this subject by
>>>the Kafirs. This should help the Believers in getting some exposure to the
>>>"truth" during the month of Ramzan. However, I was disappointed to see a “stale”
>>>article on child brides in India , posted by Nakeeb Issadeen. The Jihadis have
>>>not been able to note from this
article that the AUTHORS THEMSELVES HAVE
>>>DESCRIBED THIS PRACTICE AS A FEUDAL PRACTICE. The Jihadis have been posting such
>>>articles on this and other fora whenever they were cornered on the issue of
>>>“Aa'ishah”. This also confirms that Dr. Zakir Naik’s CDs have been pushed down
>>>the throat of the
Jihadis who have some level of mainstream education.
>>>Nonetheless, I will respond to Mr. Nakeeb Issadeen’s allegation through the
>>>following points :
>>>
>>>
>>>(a) We, the Kafirs, have been noting that whenever some negative features of the
>>>1400 years old book are pointed out by any Christian, Buddhist, Sikh, Hindu, et
>>>al; the Jihadis would immediately point out to a similar deficiency in the
>>>accuser’s faith. Nakeeb Issadeen equating “Aa'ishah Practice” to child marriage
>>>is the most recent example. However, on all other occasions we have heard the
>>>Jihadis saying “we are following a religion that is majestic and superior to
>>>all”. If this claim is reviewed after application of some common sense it
>>>becomes evident that anything that is superior to all and yet
contains all the
>>>glaring negatives from all others has to be SIMPLY A TRASH.
>>>
>>>
>>>(b) The above state of affairs has emerged due to a “blind cut and paste job”.
>>>It has been said, time and again, that the 1400 years old book is simply some
>>>stupid copy cat’s work. It is for this reason that whenever something positive
>>>is described the Jihadis would jump to say “we also have this in our book” and
>>>when negatives are highlighted they will say “others also have this in their
>>>holy book”.
>>>
>>>My teacher had told me that when someone is copying blindly the mistakes also
>>>get copied and that is how we catch the copycats. So it gets established that
>>>the 1400 years old book is simply a “cut and paste job” from various holy
books.
>>>I may add that Porn material has been particularly splashed generously “for
>>>product differentiation” and to make it a “saleable item”.
>>>
>>>(c) It is for the above reason that no other holy book forbids the readers from
>>>reading any other holy book EXCEPT THE 1400 YEARS OLD BOOK …….for the fear of
>>>the readers detecting “the cut and paste job”
>>>
>>>(d) Now let me come to the specific point under this thread. Jihadis equate
>>>Child Marriage to Aa'ishah Type Marriage because they have been tutored by Dr.
>>>Zakir Naik to do so. Here again simply a blind following. The facts are :
>>>
>>>(d.1) : In a small part of some least developed pockets in northern
>>>India prospective grooms used to be selected by the elders of the girl child
and
>>>a ceremony was performed in presence of the community members to commit that
>>>this girl WILL BE WEDDED TO THIS GROOM WHEN THEY GROW UP. Nothing more. The girl
>>>continued to stay with her parents and the groom with his parents till both grow
>>>up to the age of 18. A formal marriage is performed (in some places this
>>>marriage is called “Gauna” -- meaning girl’s deaprture from her parents' home).
>>>An age difference ranging from 3-10 years is always ensured between the bride
>>>and her groom.
>>>
>>>Numerous social reformers have, however, been making appropriate changes, as per
>>>the prevailing Indian laws and now this practice may be occurring in 5-6 very
>>>remote pockets only.
>>>
>>>
>>>(d.2) : Now see how ridiculous it is to compare the above "18th
century feudal
>>>practice" with TODAY’S “Aa'ishah Type Marriage”. This marriage begins for the
>>>“Believer groom” when the countdown has begun for his final rites and simply
>>>because he was told that his Hero had done something like this at his advanced
>>>age (by the way this is similar to Nakeeb Issadeen's saying “we kiss the black
>>>stone in K’aba simply because our Prophet did so and not because we worship this
>>>holy form”) he begins hunting for his Aa'ishah – a poor baby girl -- and places
>>>his “purchase order” with the stockist. What happens to complete this “purchase
>>>order” has already been described by me, earlier. Now, is this a marriage? The
>>>baby girl has been bought for “pervert sex” and if she survives such
>>>brutalities, she is bound to die as an inmate of some Harem.
Nothing less.
>>>
>>> : RECAP :
>>>
>>>Child marriage : An 18th century feudal practice prevailing in some
>>>remote, small pockets.The bride and groom do not stay together till they attain
>>>puberty.
>>>
>>>
>>>Aa'ishah Type Marriage : An overgrowing religious practice. An old man receives
>>>the religious rights to rape a baby girl.
>>>
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Mukesh Varma
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Nakeeb Issadeen <
nak...@yahoo.com>
>>>To:
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk; Muragala Owner <
muragal...@yahoogroups.com>;
>>>Babu Sushilan <
babusu...@yahoo.com>; Ruwan Weerasinghe
>>><
protec...@yahoo.com>; Kumar <
kumar...@yahoo.com>; Suresh Pundamon
>>><
ssk...@yahoo.com>; Thomas Kurian <
ttk...@yahoo.com>; nagaraj patil
>>><
patil_...@yahoo.com>; real heart <
realheart...@gmail.com>; Shadi
>>>Katyal <
shadi...@yahoo.com>; Bawwa Bawwa <
bawwa...@gmail.com>; Trishool
>>><
lalh...@yahoo.com>; Ranjith Silva <
ranj...@hotmail.com>;
pubudu shiran
>>><
pubudu...@hotmail.com>; Mukesh Varma <
mukes...@yahoo.com>; LALITH
>>>KARUNARATNA <
lalithka...@hotmail.com>
>>>Cc:
protectm...@gmail.com;
lalithja...@yahoo.com; protectmy religion
>>><
protectm...@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Sent:
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 6:42 PM
>>>Subject: RE: To Jayasri THE LIAR ..... Re: Meet Ten Year Old Muslim Brides
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Lalith,
>>>
>>>I was observing this debate on child abuse for some time and finally I could not
>>>resist my conscience to put the subject in proper perspective.
>>>
>>>Many non-Muslims like Trishool, Mukesh and others are apprehensive about the bad
>>>example set by the prophet to his followers: You are pragmatic on certain
>>>religion and traditions favouring child abuse and some Muslim members in
>>>desperation bringing up again the issue of child abuse by Monks.
>>>
>>>So it is about time that we look at the bottom of the issue of child abuse.
>>>
>>>Let us begin with the so called traditions in Islamic society which invariably
>>>supports child marriages. To put the Islamic law in clear perspective: for the
>>>purpose of marriage Islam regards the girl’s legal age for marrying is after she
>>>attains her puberty. The common law, in contrary stipulates 18 years for her to
>>>become a ‘Major’ then she is capable of taking decision about her own life
>>>including her marriage. Just two generation ago, even in the Eastern society
>>>girls marrying at a very early age was not uncommon. Moreover, fixing a marriage
>>>proposal at very young ages was also a common practice, to maintain family ties,
>>>friendly relationship of families etc. but the consummation of marriage took
>>>place only after the girl and boy attained puberty.
>>>
>>>
>>>Islamic law defines the marriage of a girl as follows:
>>>1.
The marriage should be consummated only after the girl attains puberty
>>>that is when she is ready for married life and can be legally sent to the
>>>husband’s home.
>>>2. Her parents, especially father is the legal guardian to give away the
>>>bride.
>>>3. There is no age limit for the bridegroom.
>>>
>>>Islam regards that next to God, parents are the most trusted custodians of the
>>>child but when they violate the law by consummating the marriage of their
>>>daughter before she attains puberty or finding a much older bridegroom who may
>>>be sexually inactive then it becomes an abuse. Important point to note here is
>>>that the abuse is committed by none other than her parents which can only happen
>>>under extreme and exceptional circumstances. For
example in certain part of
>>>Afghanistan due to extreme poverty young girls are given away for marriages for
>>>a sum of money. Other than this any other sexual harassment to a child, girl or
>>>woman is punishable offence by death to the perpetrator.
>>>
>>>Now let us look at the child abuse in non-Islamic societies. Child abuse is
>>>quite widespread in both Western and Eastern societies, though illegal, thanks
>>>to the liberal use of alcohol and the negligence of the parents. In Sri Lanka
>>>for example, children are sexually abused by their relatives due to close
>>>proximity of their living, by Monks due to their trusted role as religious
>>>teachers and sexual starvation by certain unscrupulous monks, by touts from the
>>>entertaining industry due to the negligence of the parents and so on. In United
>>>States Catholic churches had paid out millions of dollars as compensation for
>>>the child victims who were once abused by their priests. In Thailand it is an
>>>acceptable practice for the owners of brothels and clubs to go to various
>>>villages to bring young girls after paying some amount of money to employ them
>>>in their internationally reputed sex industry in Bangkok .
>>>
>>>
>>>In India legalized red light districts boast a whole bunch of ‘Devadasi’
>>>community where it is a pride to auction the newly attained aged girl for the
>>>highest bidder. In western World, it is done in a classic style. Young girls are
>>>recruited just few days after they become 18 and employed in pornographic and
>>>sex industries with a label as ‘barely legal’ aged girls. Their open society
>>>allows the girls even to join these places at much younger ages but it is not
>>>often highlighted in a thriving sex trade. All in all there are hundreds of
>>>thousands of child abuses in the world under the watchful eyes of the so called
>>>modern, culturally advanced and civilized societies.
>>>
>>>
>>>The key questions here is what would be our choice for a society
>>> * Islamic society that has a transparent legal system of young marriages where
>>>the abuse is exposed and corrected and currently they do not number more than
>>>few hundreds OR
>>> * Hundreds of thousands of abuses in other societies which we consider as the
>>>evils of modernization and accept it as our way of life.
>>>
>>>Kind regards,
>>>
>>>Nakeeb
>>>
>>>--- On Tue, 2/8/11, LALITH KARUNARATNA <
lalithka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: LALITH KARUNARATNA <
lalithka...@hotmail.com>
>>>>Subject: RE: To Jayasri THE LIAR ..... Re: Meet Ten Year Old Muslim Brides
>>>>To:
nak...@yahoo.com,
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk, "Muragala Owner"
>>>><
muragal...@yahoogroups.com>, "Babu Sushilan" <
babusu...@yahoo.com>,
>>>>"Ruwan Weerasinghe" <
protec...@yahoo.com>, "Kumar" <
kumar...@yahoo.com>,
>>>>"Suresh Pundamon" <
ssk...@yahoo.com>, "Thomas Kurian" <
ttk...@yahoo.com>,
>>>>"nagaraj patil" <
patil_...@yahoo.com>, "real
heart"
>>>><
realheart...@gmail.com>, "Shadi Katyal" <
shadi...@yahoo.com>, "Bawwa
>>>>Bawwa" <
bawwa...@gmail.com>, "Trishool" <
lalh...@yahoo.com>, "Ranjith Silva"
>>>><
ranj...@hotmail.com>, "pubudu shiran" <
pubudu...@hotmail.com>, "Mukesh
>>>>Varma" <
mukes...@yahoo.com>
>>>>Cc:
protectm...@gmail.com,
lalithja...@yahoo.com>>>>Received: Tuesday, 2 August, 2011, 9:41 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dear Nakeeb, I appreciate your interest on this subject and related
>>>>correspondence. As per the information, it
seems the early marriages are a part
>>>>of the Indian culture in some places. India is huge as well a sub
>>>>continent, therefore I am not clear the practice prevails throughout India or
>>>>not. Let Mr. Mukesh talk about it while would you shed some light on the topic
>>>>as such; the Arabs or any other person inspired by Islam visits India to have
>>>>lower age girls? I think the most important to check/ find the
>>>>justification as per the ceratin culture then having an intellectual
>>>>conversation than any other agenda . Would Islam justify under age marraiges?
>>>>If not, what are the reasons for today's Islamists in order not to consider the
>>>>early marriages specially under the case Prohpet Mohanmmad marrying Aiesha at
>>>>early age? Some says it was 6 years and consummated the marriage when she
>>>>was 9 years old. No one with a fair intelligence would not see a judgment or
>>>>justification on both the practices;if they prevails. Thanks & kind
regards
>>>> Lalith
>>>>
>>>>Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 03:53:17 -0700 From:
nak...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: To
>>>>Jayasri THE LIAR ..... Re: Meet Ten Year Old Muslim Brides To:
>>>>
lalithka...@hotmail.com;
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk;
>>>>
muragal...@yahoogroups.com;
babusu...@yahoo.com;
protec...@yahoo.com;
>>>>
kumar...@yahoo.com;
ssk...@yahoo.com;
ttk...@yahoo.com;
>>>>
patil_...@yahoo.com;
realheart...@gmail.com;
shadi...@yahoo.com;
>>>>
bawwa...@gmail.com;
lalh...@yahoo.com;
ranj...@hotmail.com;
>>>>
pubudu...@hotmail.com;
mukes...@yahoo.com CC:
protectm...@gmail.com;
>>>>
lalithja...@yahoo.com >>>>
>>>>Dear Lalith,
>>>>Our friend Mukesh is misleading us by quoting some unscrupulous Arab men who
>>>>visit India as sex tourists. The real story is behind the Indian customs based
>>>>on Hindu culture. I have reproduced one of the articles that analyses the abuse
>>>>of female children as brides in the Hindu community in India written by Hindu
>>>>authors. (I have underlined some of the important information)
>>>>Child BRIDES OF INDIA
>>>>
>>>>By
>>>>
>>>>ASHA KRISHNAKUMAR
>>>>T.K. RAJALAKSHMI
>>>>Child marriage is widespread in India despite a law banning it, and the loser in
>>>>the end is invariably the girl child given the socio-economic factors that
>>>>encourage the practice.
>>>>
>>>>Rukhmabai, victim of child marriage who opposed the practice.
>>>>"I am one of those unfortunate Hindu women whose hard lot is to suffer the
>>>>unnameable miseries entailed by the custom of
early marriage. This wicked
>>>>practice of child marriage has destroyed the happiness of my life. It comes
>>>>between me and the things which I prize above all others - study and mental
>>>>cultivation. Without the least fault of mine I am doomed to seclusion; every
>>>>aspiration of mine to rise above my ignorant sisters is looked down upon with
>>>>suspicion and is interpreted in the most uncharitable manner."
>>>>- Extract from a letter written by Rukhmabai, a victim of child marriage, to The
>>>>Times of India on June 26, 1885, and reproduced in the book Child Marriages in
>>>>India by Jaya Sagade (Oxford University Press, 2005).
>>>>
>>>>ONE hundred and twenty years later, India is still unable to stop this feudal
>>>>practice.This is evident from the recent attack on an
anganwadi (welfare centre)
>>>>supervisor in Madhya Pradesh who tried to prevent three young girls from being
>>>>married off in a mass ceremony.
>>>>
>>>>Shakuntala Verma, the official, went to Bhangarh village in Dhar district on May
>>>>11 after a tip-off that a family there was planning to marry off its young
>>>>daughters. As instructed by the Sub Divisional Magistrate she asked for proof of
>>>>the girls' ages, but was forced to leave after members of the family threatened
>>>>her. Later that evening a person armed with a sword came to her house and began
>>>>slashing at her. As she tried to protect herself, one hand was severed and the
>>>>other severely cut. Even as Shakuntala was fighting for her life in an Indore
>>>>hospital after a nine-hour operation to re-attach her
hand, Madhya Pradesh Chief
>>>>Minister Babulal Gaur announced that "no serious action" would be taken against
>>>>those who conduct child marriages. "Social customs are stronger than laws," he
>>>>said.
>>>>
>>>>The shocking incident renewed the debate on child marriage, which, though
>>>>outlawed, is continuing openly in places such as Dhar district and Krishnagiri
>>>>district in Tamil Nadu. Most child marriages in northern India take place on an
>>>>auspicious day - Akha Teej (Akshaya Trithiya). But in the south there appears to
>>>>be no special occasion for such marriages.
>>>>
>>>> Although the illegality of the practice and the fact that such marriages are
>>>>not registered make the exact numbers hard to determine, some estimates put the
>>>>number of child marriages in the country at several thousands every year. In
>>>>some cases, the bride and the groom are said to be little more than toddlers,
>>>>though the majority are in their teens.
>>>>
>>>>There is considerable evidence that child marriages contribute to virtually
>>>>every social problem that affects women.
>>>>
>>>>According to Jaya Sagade, who has done extensive research on child marriages in
>>>>India, marriages in the Vedic period were performed when the couples reached a
>>>>mature age. The girl's consent was always sought. She even had the freedom to
>>>>choose her life partner. This practice, says Jaya Sagade, continued until the
>>>>sixth and seventh centuries. But there appears to have been a reversal
>>>>thereafter. The patriarchal social structure that emerged seems to have given
>>>>its sanction to the practice of child marriage, if one goes by the fact that
>>>>ancient scriptures and customs suggest early marriage for the girl - preferably
>>>>before puberty and certainly immediately after her first menstruation. According
>>>>to some sociologists, the ancient erotic text the Kama Sutra talks indirectly of
>>>>this practice when it warns that a girl who has "fully arrived at puberty"
>>>>should be avoided as a wife.
>>>>
>>>> Some people also trace the practice back to foreign invasions that began more
>>>>than 1,000 years ago. The invaders were said to have carried away young girls as
>>>>war booty, forcing local communities to marry off their daughters very young. To
>>>>protect the women from sexual exploitation and to preserve their chastity,
>>>>pre-puberty marriages began to be considered the best option. Over time, this
>>>>became a custom, the violation of which was met with social disapproval and
>>>>disgrace. It was even considered a sin to keep a girl in her parental home after
>>>>she had attained puberty.
>>>>
>>>>Among the other reasons cited for the continuance of the practice were:
>>>>tradition, family and societal pressure, feudal set-up, and poverty. Based on
>>>>the view that `virginity' is essential in a bride, girls are married off at a
>>>>very young age, beginning five years. As a result, these girls are traumatised
>>>>by sex and are forced to bear children much before their bodies are fully
>>>>mature.
>>>>
>>>>Many parents say they are scared to keep their daughters unmarried after puberty
>>>>as they have a big responsibility of protecting them. Most parents cite poverty
>>>>as the reason. They find it so difficult to feed everyone in the family that
>>>>they prefer to "send off" the daughter as early as possible to some other
>>>>family. As for the boy's family, it gets an "unpaid servant" to do the household
>>>>chores, often along with dowry.
>>>>
>>>>However, according to Rajeev Gupta, Professor of Sociology in Rajasthan
>>>>University, the reasons for child marriage today go beyond custom and poverty.
>>>>The oppressed classes and castes, with the encouragement of the landed castes,
>>>>emulate this feudal social practice as it ensures for them a source of
cheap
>>>>family labour. He believes that it is in the interest of the dominant classes to
>>>>keep this system going.
>>>>
>>>>It is also the observation of the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) that
>>>>poor families may regard a young girl as an economic burden and her marriage as
>>>>a necessary survival strategy for her family. UNICEF is of the opinion that
>>>>there may be several reasons why parents get their daughters married off early.
>>>>They may think that early marriage offers protection from the dangers of sexual
>>>>assault or more generally, offers the care of a male guardian. Early marriage
>>>>may also be seen as a strategy to avoid girls becoming pregnant outside
>>>>marriage. But there is no doubt that these notions get an impetus in an
>>>>environment that basically goes against the girl child and women. There is no
>>>>doubt that the affluent and the well off do not indulge in this practice, as the
>>>>system is favourable to them in every sense.
>>>>
>>>>Discussions on the evils of child marriage began as early as the last century.
>>>>But a law - The Child Marriage Restraint Act (CMRA) - was introduced only in
>>>>1929. In fact, the Indian political class woke up to the reality when Census
>>>>1921 reported that there were 600 brides between the ages of one and 12 months.
>>>>It is said that a shocked Mahatma Gandhi urged a member of the Central
>>>>Legislative Council, Harbilas Sarda, to introduce a Bill restraining child
>>>>marriages. Thus was born the CMRA, popularly known as the Sarda Act. It was
>>>>amended in 1978, when the minimum age of marriage was fixed at 21 for boys and
>>>>18 for girls and offences under the Act were made cognisable. The provisions of
>>>>the Act are only to restrain and not to invalidate such marriages (see separate
>>>>story on legal issues).
>>>>
>>>>Several decades later, child marriages still take place with brazen impunity.
>>>>The Central government does not have any records of child marriages; the
>>>>argument is that the CMRA is administered and implemented by State governments
>>>>and Union Territories. Therefore, the only institutions that do such tabulation
>>>>are the Census of India and the National Family Health Survey (NFHS).
>>>>
>>>>According to Census 1991, the percentage of married females in the total number
>>>>of females in the age group 10 to 14 was 13.2 in Rajasthan, the highest in the
>>>>country. In second place was Madhya Pradesh at 8.5 per cent, followed by Uttar
>>>>Pradesh at 7.1. For the country, the percentage of married women under the age
>>>>of 18 stood at 53.3. The situation did not change substantially in the following
>>>>decade. Census 2001 reports that there are nearly three lakh girls under 15 who
>>>>have given birth to at least one child.
>>>>
>>>> Villages such as Kottaiyur Kollai, an interior hamlet in the Aiyyur forest
>>>>range in Krishnagiri district, contribute substantially to this number. An
>>>>economically and socially backward village, it is inhabited by Poojari Irula
>>>>tribal people, who were shifted to government-built group houses there from the
>>>>remote forest caves in 2003. Most middle-aged women here said they were married
>>>>off when they were four or five years old. Their marriage with a relative was
>>>>usually decided as soon as they were born. According to the women, "the age of
>>>>marriage for girls has now risen to eight".
>>>>
>>>>Many women in this village have delivered 10 to 12 children. M. Muthamma is just
>>>>20 and has five surviving children. She was married at 10. Mallamma Malli is
>>>>only a year older to Muthamma and has eight children, having married at the age
>>>>of eight. Mallamma is also 20 and has six children; she was married at 12. Most
>>>>of the children go to a school, run by Myrada, a non-governmental organisation
>>>>(NGO), mainly because they get at least one meal a
day.
>>>>Kind regards,
>>>>Nakeeb
>>>>
>>>>--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Mukesh Varma <
mukes...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: Mukesh Varma <
mukes...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: To Jayasri THE LIAR ..... Re: Meet Ten Year Old Muslim Brides
>>>>>To: "LALITH KARUNARATNA" <
lalithka...@hotmail.com>,
>>>>>"
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk" <
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk>, "Muragala Owner"
>>>>><
muragal...@yahoogroups.com>, "Babu Sushilan" <
babusu...@yahoo.com>,
>>>>>"Ruwan Weerasinghe" <
protec...@yahoo.com>, "Kumar" <
kumar...@yahoo.com>,
>>>>>"Suresh Pundamon" <
ssk...@yahoo.com>, "Thomas Kurian" <
ttk...@yahoo.com>,
>>>>>"nagaraj patil" <
patil_...@yahoo.com>, "real heart"
>>>>><
realheart...@gmail.com>, "Shadi Katyal" <
shadi...@yahoo.com>, "Bawwa
>>>>>Bawwa" <
bawwa...@gmail.com>, "Trishool" <
lalh...@yahoo.com>, "Ranjith Silva"
>>>>><
ranj...@hotmail.com>, "pubudu shiran" <
pubudu...@hotmail.com>,
>>>>>"
nak...@yahoo.com" <
nak...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>Cc: "
protectm...@gmail.com" <
protectm...@gmail.com>,
>>>>>"
lalithja...@yahoo.com" <
lalithja...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>Received: Tuesday, 2 August, 2011, 3:08 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Lalith,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Since a set of questions have sprung up I will answer each one separately.
>>>>>
>>>>>(a) At the outset I would like you to know that I have been withholding my
>>>>>response to your mail as Ramzan was approaching and I had noticed in the past
>>>>>that the Jihadis have been resorting to vulgarity in their postings even during
>>>>>Ramdan. As a Kafir I felt that they were sinning by writing such filth during
>>>>>their holy month. If you would like to read such postings made on this forum
>>>>>(Issues-Online_Worldwide)
during the moth of Ramdan, by those who claim that
>>>>>their faith following is superior to all, I will give you the posting numbers
>>>>>with dates. You will be shocked to find how indecent these postings are.
>>>>>
>>>>>(b) You say that we are living in the 21st century. But this is true only for
>>>>>the Kafirs. For the Believers, the time clock had stopped some 700 years ago
>>>>>hence nothing has moved….nothing has changed. The belief that the earth is flat
>>>>>was true then and is so even now. “Ayesha” existed and should exist.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>(c) There are well structured civil laws in India that include child welfare
>>>>>issues also. However, our government has no courage to impose a uniform civil
>>>>>code
hence the Believers do it the way their Hero wanted them to do. The Arabs
>>>>>want their own “Ayesha” so that they may prove to their tribe that they are the
>>>>>"true followers" of their Hero. Hence they fly back with their "Ayesha" as proud
>>>>>Believers .
>>>>>
>>>>>(d) I have given you names of the Indian cities where “Ayeshas” are available.
>>>>>You may use your own contacts and network to get more details.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Arabs visit some major Indian cities (like Mumbai) to receive best medical
>>>>>treatment, enjoy rains (as they can’t experience this in their own land) and
>>>>>collect their own “Ayesha” on their way back.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are several
Arab visitors who do not fix their “Ayesha” before they land
>>>>>here as they have been cheated by their own tribe by selling "used stocks".
>>>>>After arriving here they approach Muslim taxi operators who work as “stockists”
>>>>>of “Ayeshas”. A parade of baby girls is organized in the hotel room of this Arab
>>>>>customer, the hymen is checked in presence of the parents of the baby girls and
>>>>>then the deal is finalized.
>>>>>
>>>>>(e) The air hostess’s story was posted on two occasions on this forum
>>>>>(Issues-Online_Worldwide) with all the details. Scores of members had added more
>>>>>particulars. So I would locate the relevant posting numbers for you rather then
>>>>>writing a new mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>Mukesh Varma
>>>>>From: LALITH KARUNARATNA <
lalithka...@hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: Mukesh Varma <
mukes...@yahoo.com>;
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk; Muragala Owner
>>>>><
muragal...@yahoogroups.com>; Babu Sushilan <
babusu...@yahoo.com>; Ruwan
>>>>>Weerasinghe <
protec...@yahoo.com>; Kumar <
kumar...@yahoo.com>; Suresh
>>>>>Pundamon <
ssk...@yahoo.com>; Thomas Kurian <
ttk...@yahoo.com>; nagaraj patil
>>>>><
patil_...@yahoo.com>; real heart <
realheart...@gmail.com>; Shadi
>>>>>Katyal <
shadi...@yahoo.com>; Bawwa Bawwa <
bawwa...@gmail.com>;
>>>>>
jayatilak...@hotmail.co.uk; Trishool <
lalh...@yahoo.com>; Ranjith Silva
>>>>><
ranj...@hotmail.com>; pubudu shiran <
pubudu...@hotmail.com>;
>>>>>
nak...@yahoo.com>>>>>Cc:
protectm...@gmail.com;
protectm...@yahoogroups.com;
>>>>>
savesr...@yahoogroups.com;
sri_lanka...@yahoogroups.com;
>>>>>
srilanka...@yahoogroups.com;
lalithja...@yahoo.com>>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011
3:51 PM
>>>>>Subject: RE: To Jayasri THE LIAR ..... Re:
Meet Ten Year Old Muslim Brides
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Mukesh, Set of questions have reached my mind . . This is absurd and
>>>>>can't even imagine. I am afraid to say and presume this is not possible and I
>>>>>feel you have been mis-informed because we are living in the 21st centaury as
>>>>>well as can not presume there are no rules in India against child abuse. And,
>>>>>how can Sharia law operates in India? Furthermore, who can make his mind to have
>>>>>an infant as a wife? Plus, what type of a law is Sharia law (which is considered
>>>>>great among Muslims) to support such abuses? Quote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Since we get to see such scenes regularly, I can arrange to have a live coverage
>>>>>of
such “crimes” beamed on to your cellphone from
>>>>>one of the international airports. You can even try consoling the child bride
>>>>>during this live coverage.
>>>>>Un quote:
>>>>>
>>>>>You mean the Indian airports? Could you beam a real story with video to our e
>>>>>mails too?
>>>>> I have travelled and continue travelling many parts of the world however I did
>>>>>not see such a thing in my life except I have seen kids with, seems like their
>>>>>old Arabic fathers. It will be extremely important if you can further inform
>>>>>about such incidents (if there were) and such information can distribute via the
>>>>>internet to discourage such people. (if there is any). At least, could you let
>>>>>us know that Air Hostess's
story in detail? Dear Niyas, Did you see an old
>>>>>Arabic men are having child brides at any airports in your life? Could you
>>>>>elaborate your version of the story? You have accepted the fact that Prohpet
>>>>>Mohammad had 11 wives. Could you explain why he wanted to have so many wives
>>>>>and would Prohpet Mohammad's private life influence an old Arabic man to have a
>>>>>child bride in today's world? Thanks & kind regards Lalith
>>>>>
>>>>>Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 01:07:47 -0700 From:
mukes...@yahoo.com Subject: Re:
>>>>>To Jayasri THE LIAR ..... Re: Meet Ten Year Old Muslim Brides To:
>>>>>
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk;
muragal...@yahoogroups.com;
babusu...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>
protec...@yahoo.com;
kumar...@yahoo.com;
ssk...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>
ttk...@yahoo.com;
patil_...@yahoo.com;
realheart...@gmail.com;
>>>>>
shadi...@yahoo.com;
bawwa...@gmail.com;
jayatilak...@hotmail.co.uk;
>>>>>
lalh...@yahoo.com;
ranj...@hotmail.com;
pubudu...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>
nak...@yahoo.com;
lalithka...@hotmail.com CC:
>>>>>
protectm...@gmail.com;
protectm...@yahoogroups.com;
>>>>>
SaveSr...@yahoogroups.com;
sri_lanka...@yahoogroups.com;
>>>>>
Srilanka...@yahoogroups.com;
lalithja...@yahoo.com >>>>>
>>>>>Lalith,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There is really no need to verify pictures of Muslim child brides from foreign
>>>>>soils. Such scenes are available LIVE, regularly, in Muslim-dominated cities in
>>>>>India (and Nepal, Bangladesh, etc). Girls aged 4-5 years from Hyderabad (one of
>>>>>the Muslim dominated cities in India) are married/sold by their parents to
>>>>>visiting Arabs and such marriages can be seen LIVE in a 5-star hotel during the
>>>>>months when Muslim marriages take place in India.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You can also see a 65 year old Arab man holding the hand of a “scared stiff”
>>>>>baby girl wearing wedding dress at international airports in Hyderabad, Kolkata,
>>>>>Mumbai, Chennai and Bengluru cities. Since Sharia laws permit such a wedding and
>>>>>India has not enforced Uniform Civil Code, the authorities can do nothing about
>>>>>it. On one occasion an air hostess in Mumbai Airport had spotted such a “couple”
>>>>>before boarding the flight to Saudi Arabia and was so moved by the “pain”
>>>>>written on the face of this baby girl that she questioned this Arab man and
>>>>>separated the girl from this old man. She used her convincing power to not to
>>>>>allow this baby girl to board the flight. Needless to say, the Mullahs got
>>>>>furious with this air hostess and later made her life miserable. This incident
>>>>>had become international news.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since we get to see such scenes regularly, I can arrange to have a live coverage
>>>>>of such “crimes” beamed on to your cellphone from one of the international
>>>>>airports. You can even try consoling the child bride during this live
coverage.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now let me tell you more on how this business operates. Muslim agents in the
>>>>>cities mentioned above keep track of birth of female child in poverty ridden
>>>>>pockets. The parents of baby girls hoist a green flag on their hutments as soon
>>>>>the baby girl is 3-4 years old. The agent spots this signal and contacts the
>>>>>parents. Pictures of such baby girls are sent to various people in the Arab
>>>>>world who had placed their “orders” for such brides. The willing “buyers” are
>>>>>shortlisted. After working out the “deal” the travel itinerary of the
>>>>>buyer/groom is finalized. The buyer/groom arrives in some 5-star hotel in the
>>>>>relevant city and the Mullahs who specialize in “sanctifying” such a marriage
>>>>>are already there with the baby girl’s parents. Some basic formalities of a
>>>>>Muslim marriage are completed and this “couple” flies off to Saudi. Since this
>>>>>is a regular business, the procedures for the baby girl’s passport, visa and
>>>>>other travel formalities are completed well in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>>These Arab men draw satisfaction from the fact that they have followed their
>>>>>“hero”.
>>>>>
>>>>>-- Mukesh Varma
>>>>>
>>>>>Mukesh Varma
>>>>>From: niyas abbas <
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>To: Muragala Owner <
muragal...@yahoogroups.com>; Babu Sushilan
>>>>><
babusu...@yahoo.com>; Mukesh Varma <
mukes...@yahoo.com>; Ruwan
>>>>>Weerasinghe <
protec...@yahoo.com>; Kumar <
kumar...@yahoo.com>; Suresh
>>>>>Pundamon <
ssk...@yahoo.com>; Thomas Kurian <
ttk...@yahoo.com>; nagaraj patil
>>>>><
patil_...@yahoo.com>; real heart <
realheart...@gmail.com>; Shadi
>>>>>Katyal <
shadi...@yahoo.com>; Bawwa Bawwa <
bawwa...@gmail.com>;
>>>>>
jayatilak...@hotmail.co.uk; Trishool <
lalh...@yahoo.com>; Ranjith Silva
>>>>><
ranj...@hotmail.com>; pubudu shiran <
pubudu...@hotmail.com>;
>>>>>
nak...@yahoo.com>>>>>Cc:
protectm...@gmail.com;
protectm...@yahoogroups.com;
>>>>>
SaveSr...@yahoogroups.com;
sri_lanka...@yahoogroups.com;
>>>>>
Srilanka...@yahoogroups.com;
lalithka...@hotmail.com; Lalith
>>>>>Jayasinghe <
lalithja...@yahoo.com>; Lalith Karunaratna
>>>>><
Lalith.Ka...@eu.sony.com>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 10:13 AM
>>>>>Subject: Fw: To Jayasri THE LIAR ..... Re: Meet Ten Year
Old Muslim Brides
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Lalith,
>>>>>
>>>>>I appreciate your decency .... atleast you addressed your intellect before
>>>>>eating the fire of lies in to your stomach unlike the desperation of some of the
>>>>>failed Buddhists ..... Please read the authentic story below ..... There are
>>>>>many such evil propaganda in the past too .... one such case was the road side
>>>>>stunt of a small boy whose hand is runover by a wheel of a lorry .... Stupid
>>>>>Buddhists tried to tell us it is the shariah punishment for robbing a pound of
>>>>>bread .... I hope atleast you will defend Buddha and try to restore his
>>>>>credibility by being trtuhful and reasonable. By this way you will avoid making
>>>>>Buddha
look like a joker ....
>>>>>
>>>>>CNN too did this after 2001 (911) attack by posting a clip of a '92 celebration
>>>>>by Palestinians trying to prove it was the work of Palestinians.... when they
>>>>>were exposed they ended up like monkeys ..... same thing is happening to
>>>>>Buddhism today ....
>>>>>
>>>>>All this is because Islam is the truth and one has to find only lies to tarnish
>>>>>Islam.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Friends, Have you got any idea of following incident? Are they real
>>>>>marriages or just a hoax to insult Muslims? Thanks & best regards Lalith
>>>>>----- Forwarded Message ----
>>>>>From: niyas abbas <
niyas...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>To:
protectm...@yahoogroups.com;
yahalu...@yahoogroups.com;
>>>>>"
srilanka...@yahoogroups.com" <
srilanka...@yahoogroups.com>; wasadesa
>>>>><
wasa...@yahoogroups.com>; "
gossip...@yahoogroups.com"
>>>>><
gossip...@yahoogroups.com>; Hasna Adheeb <
ha...@srilankan.aero>; noordeen
>>>>>nashath <
nasha...@yahoo.com>;
protectm...@gmail.com;
>>>>>
Buddha_L...@yahoogroups.com;
Buddhi...@yahoogroups.com;
>>>>>
issuesonlin...@yahoogroups.com;
sura...@gmail.com;
>>>>>
wide...@yahoogroups.com; Bhikkhu Samahita <
bhik...@gmail.com>; Sachitra
>>>>>Mahendra <
sach...@gmail.com>; Shamika Soysa <
shami...@hotmail.com>; sameera
>>>>>lakmal <
agsa...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 10:24:07
>>>>>Subject: To Jayasri THE LIAR ..... Re: Meet Ten Year Old Muslim Brides
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the real stroy of this mahadenamutta Buddhist Jayasiri who is trying to
>>>>>mislead with Tripitaka lies ....
>>>>>
>>>>>These little girls are not the brides but the brides are the widows whose
>>>>>husbands were killed by kafirs like Jayasiri .... Lady Suranee too should take
>>>>>note so that her arrogance will not make her another donkey .... by forwarding
>>>>>such lies... These are the works of desperate Buddhists whose religion is under
>>>>>extinction ... due to the cancerous growth of Hinduism in to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Gaza Journal
>>>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/world/middleeast/31gaza.html?_r=1>>>>>For War Widows, Hamas Recruits Army of Husbands
>>>>>
>>>>>Mohammed Assad
>>>>>With the grooms on the left, children danced at a stadium in Gaza this month
>>>>>during a mass wedding celebration for 300 couples, the 10th such event here this
>>>>>year organized by Hamas.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Twitter
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>>>>> * Print
>>>>> * Reprints
>>>>> * ShareClose
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>>>>> * Permalink
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>By TAGHREED EL-KHODARY
>>>>>Published: October 30, 2008
>>>>>GAZA — The grooms were resplendent in white shirts while the brides all wore
>>>>>black. At a sports stadium one recent October evening, thousands of Palestinians
>>>>>— 300 newly married couples along with relatives and friends — gathered for a
>>>>>mass wedding celebration, the 10th here this year courtesy of Hamas.
>>>>>Hamas, the militant Islamist group that controls
Gaza, has been observing a
>>>>>truce with Israel since June, allowing its underground fighters to resurface but
>>>>>leaving them without much to do. At the same time, hundreds of the group’s women
>>>>>have been recently widowed, their husbands having been killed either in
>>>>>confrontations with Israel or in the fighting last year between Hamas and its
>>>>>secular rival, Fatah.
>>>>>Taking advantage of the pause in violence, the Hamas leaders have turned to
>>>>>matchmaking, bringing together single fighters and widows, and providing dowries
>>>>>and wedding parties for the many here who cannot afford such trappings of
>>>>>matrimony.
>>>>>
>>>>>“Marriage is the same as jihad,” or holy war, said Muhammad Yousef, one recently
>>>>>married member of the Qassam Brigades, the Hamas underground. “With marriage,
>>>>>you are producing another generation that believes in resistance.”
>>>>>About 300 Qassam members, mostly in their 20s, signed up with their new wives
>>>>>for the most recent celebration, held at a sports stadium in the Tuffah
>>>>>district, east of Gaza City. Local mosques spread the word about the event and
>>>>>offered to help find spouses for single men whose families had not yet managed
>>>>>to arrange them a match.
>>>>>As an added inducement, couples were promised a cash grant in lieu of a dowry,
>>>>>which few families could afford. But the economic embargo on Gaza, spearheaded
>>>>>by the Israelis who, like the United States and the European Union, classify
>>>>>Hamas as a terrorist organization, somewhat dampened the celebrations. While the
>>>>>poorest couples received a gift equivalent to $2,000, many others in less dire
>>>>>straits came away with only $200.
>>>>>
>>>>>“That’s the cost of a plank of wood for a bedroom suite,” said one disappointed
>>>>>bride, Ola Dalo, 21, as she leaned her head on her new husband, Ali Msabah, 24.
>>>>>Wael al-Zard, head of Al Taysir, an association affiliated with Hamas that tries
>>>>>to provide its fighters with the means to marry, said that many Muslims who used
>>>>>to contribute money from the Persian Gulf states had stopped transferring funds
>>>>>“out of fear.”
>>>>>
>>>>>To make up some of the shortfall, Ismail Haniya, the head
of the Hamas
>>>>>government in Gaza, made a personal contribution of $30,000 to the Tuffah group
>>>>>wedding, while another senior Hamas leader, Mahmoud Zahar, contributed $10,000.
>>>>>“Your money is not going to casinos,” Mr. Zard declared during the wedding
>>>>>event. His point was that the donations would be devoted only to furthering the
>>>>>Islamist agenda, and not going to line officials’ pockets, an accusation widely
>>>>>leveled against the previous rulers from Fatah. “There will be more weddings,
>>>>>and no one will remain single.”
>>>>>
>>>>>The 300 grooms were dressed in black pants, white shirts and colorful ties but
>>>>>no jackets, because of recent budget cuts. The brides, sitting separately among
>>>>>the women, wore
head scarves and black robes over their evening dresses but were
>>>>>easily spotted by their heavy makeup. The couples had all signed marriage
>>>>>contracts before the event.
>>>>>
>>>>>The grooms danced on the stage as a male singer extolled the virtues of married
>>>>>life. Ehab Adas, 25, one of the grooms, said he missed fighting but was keeping
>>>>>busy working as a secretary at the Interior Ministry. He pointed out his bride
>>>>>in the crowd, and proudly displayed the last text message he had received from
>>>>>her on his mobile phone. “Today is my real wedding,” it read. He had replied
>>>>>simply, “I love you.”
>>>>>Although Hamas has long organized joint weddings, it is now doing so with more
>>>>>verve, placing special emphasis
on remarrying its war widows. One of them, Amani
>>>>>Saed, 24, attended the mass wedding with her two young sons from her first
>>>>>marriage, Rami, 5, and Muhammad, 3. Their father, Khaled Saed, was killed at the
>>>>>age of 28 during the clashes between Hamas and Fatah in August 2007.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eight months after Khaled’s death, his father sought Amani’s hand for his
>>>>>younger son, Muhammad, 22, who also worked at the Interior Ministry. Amani said
>>>>>she reluctantly agreed. “Muhammad is younger. It’s hard, but it’s good for the
>>>>>kids,” she said.
>>>>>Muhammad Yousef, the groom who equated marriage with jihad, came to celebrate
>>>>>and collect $200 even though his family is considered reasonably well off. In
>>>>>July 2006,
an Israeli tank crew fired in his direction as he and his group fired
>>>>>rockets at Israel. He was badly wounded in the chest and both legs, and his
>>>>>friends took him for dead and celebrated his “martyrdom” on the way to the
>>>>>hospital morgue.
>>>>>
>>>>>But he survived, and because of his severe physical injuries, moved from firing
>>>>>rockets to manufacturing them instead. Mr. Yousef said he shared all the details
>>>>>of his past with his wife before they married, and she accepted his way of life
>>>>>wholeheartedly. The night before the mass wedding party, he said, his wife
>>>>>shared with him her ultimate wish: to carry out a joint suicide attack against
>>>>>Israel.
>>>>>From: Rizgal <
riz...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>To: "
protectm...@yahoogroups.com" <
protectm...@yahoogroups.com>;
>>>>>
yahalu...@yahoogroups.com; "
srilanka...@yahoogroups.com"
>>>>><
srilanka...@yahoogroups.com>; wasadesa <
wasa...@yahoogroups.com>;
>>>>>"
gossip...@yahoogroups.com" <
gossip...@yahoogroups.com>; Hasna Adheeb
>>>>><
ha...@srilankan.aero>; noordeen nashath <
nasha...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 8:48:04
>>>>>Subject: [Protect My Religion] To Jayasri Re: Meet Ten Year Old Muslim
>Brides
>>>>>
>>>>>To
Jayasri,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This si very old tactics that got lost in the air some years back for this smear
>>>>>attack on Islam and Muslims, and this particular one was even addressed in the
>>>>>forum a while ago. Repeating again will not do any good other than harming your
>>>>>own soul. Read the below again if you are suffering from amnesia.
>>>>>-----------
>>>>>Doing a small research, as a rational being, would save you becoming greatly
>>>>>ashamed among the group members. Also that would make you to uphold Buddhist
>>>>>doctrine when you avoid spreading the lies before checking it up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just Google 'Mass Muslim Marriage in Gaza' and realize what meaningless stuff
>>>>>you are attempting to
forward.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Truth: (
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/Gaza-mass-weddings.htm)
>>>>>The photos of the celebration are real but the description is incorrect
>>>>>according to an October 30, 2008 articlein the New York Times. The article
>>>>>said that the brides were present, seated separately and wore black robes to
>>>>>cover their evening dresses.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Read the below and open yourself for truth
>>>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/world/middleeast/31gaza.html?_r=1>>>>>
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/mass-muslim-marriage.shtml>>>>>
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/Gaza-mass-weddings.htm>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>---------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
>>>>>-Edmund Burke
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Finally - A reminder!
>>>>>Our Beautiful Lanka -
Let's Keep it That Way
>>>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33CR5_e-hKc >>>>>
>>>>>--- On Thu, 28/7/11, Jayasri <
sihal...@yahoo.ca>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Jayasri <
sihal...@yahoo.ca>
>>>>>>Subject: [Yahalu-Yeheli] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Meet Ten Year Old Muslim Brides
>>>>>>To: "
protectm...@yahoogroups.com" <
protectm...@yahoogroups.com>,
>>>>>>"yahaluyeheli" <
yahalu...@yahoogroups.com>,
>>>>>>"
srilanka...@yahoogroups.com" <
srilanka...@yahoogroups.com>,
>>>>>>"wasadesa" <
wasa...@yahoogroups.com>, "
gossip...@yahoogroups.com"
>>>>>><
gossip...@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>>Received: Thursday, 28 July, 2011, 11:58 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mass Muslim Marriage in Gaza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Poor kids - what a terrible fate to be born as a girl in a Muslim
>>>>>>>>>country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Muhammed married
a six year old bride. But he was kind enough to wait until she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>was nine years old to consummate the "marriage". But Islam has evolved in 1500
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>years. In Hamasland, in 2009, the brides are almost seven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prophet Mohamed Started this. He married twelve or thirteen times (cannot say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>exactly as some say one is not his wife but only a sex slave) and his second
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wife was only 10 years old Aa isha h,who was the daughter of Abu Bakr,the friend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and follower of Mohamed. He married her at the age of
52.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mass Muslim Marriage in Gaza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>· 450 Grooms Wed GIRLS Under Ten In Gaza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>By Paul L. Williams, Ph.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thelastcrusade.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A gala event has occurred in Gaza .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hamas sponsored a mass wedding for four hundred and fifty
>>couples.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Most of the grooms were in their mid to late twenties; most of brides were under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ten.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Muslim dignitaries including Mahmud Zahar, a leader of Hamas, were on hand to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>congratulate the couples who took part in the carefully staged celebration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are saying to the world and to America that you cannot deny us joy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>happiness, Zahar told the grooms, all of whom were dressed
in identical black
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suits and hailed from the nearby Jabalia refugee camp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Each groom received a gift of 500 dollars from Hamas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The pre-pubescent girls, dressed in white gowns and adorned with garish make-up,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>received bridal bouquets.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We are presenting this wedding as a gift to our people who stood firm in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>face of
the siege and the war, Local Hamas strongman Ibrahim Salaf said in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>speech.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The wedding photos tell the rest of the sordid tale.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The International Center for Research on Women now estimates that there are 51
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>million child brides now living on planet earth and almost all in Muslim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>countries.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Twenty-nine percent of these child brides are regularly beaten and molested by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>their husbands in Egypt ; twenty six percent receive similar abuse in Jordan .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Every year, three million Muslim girls are subjected to genital mutilation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>according to UNICEF. This practice has not been outlawed in many parts of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>America
.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>· Let's stop child abuse.PLEASE...FORWARD THIS INFORMATION TO EVERYONE ON YOUR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>E-MAIL LIST.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>· WE MUST SPREAD THE WORD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- May all be Well & Happy !
>>>>>>
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