Re: The Quran is a pack of lies - No .... It is not true ....

[niyas abbas]

QURANIC WORDS ARE AS PRECISE AS THE PRECISION OF THE MOVEMENT OF SUN, MOON AND EARTH ON THEIR PRESCRIBED COURSES.

 

"Wallahu ja'ala lakumu-l-ardha bisatha" Ch 71-19..... "And Allah made for you the earth a wide expanse."  Do you see how beautifully Quran says Allah made the earth a wide expanse though it is round ... Imagine if you walk around a globe you would be standing upside down as you progress to the down side .... .... but does it happen to us .... which ever side of the earth we stand .... doesn't it look flat and horizontal. This is what Allah is telling us from the above verse. 

 

This is the Great Power of Allah that He is trying to make us appreciate. The earth is a globe yet we don't feel we are standing upside down as He made the earth a wide exapanse as a carpet spread out ... Can't you still Glorify your own Lord for His Great Mercy and His capability.

 

Any fool can see that the desert around Arabia is flat. There is no big deal in saying it ...but there is a difference when Allah says "We made the earth's surface like a carpet spread out."

 

In another place it says .... "Do they not see how the Camels are created ..... and at the earth, how it is spread out...." Ch 88, 17-20, meaning that the earth is really not flat but it is made livable with flatness.

 

Now read this beautiful verse from Ch 36 V 40 .... ths was revealed 1400 years ago when science was not even in its embryonic stage ... where it says ... "It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon and nor does the night overtake the day but each one rotates and swims along"  (falaqin yesbahoon) ... in a prescribed course .... as told in Ch 36:38 .... All these indicate the spherical nature of the celestial bodies .... but it is made with flat surface as we see in reality. So there is no contradiction as you may like to say.

 

All these were discovered by so called scientists only recently perhaps 1000 years after Muslims knew about it. Furthermore, the scientists are now talking about a great discovery about "Big Bang Theory" still not sure how it all happened .... but Quran says that the whole universe was in a gaseous state and "We cloved them asunder (exploded)" .....

 

Now very recently they gave a Nobel prize for proving that the Universe is expanding at acelerating speeds  while it was common knowledge for Muslims for the past 1400 years. Now please read this .... "...And the Heaven We constructed with might, and verily, it is We who are (its) expander.... " (Surah 51:47). In arabic ... "Wassama'a banainaaha biaydin wa innaa lamoosi'oon". Allah says the universe is expanding.

 

There is a very good site from harvard house for critics of Islam to read and see how the author struggles to refute these great information and give the credit elsewhere  .... go ahead and help yourself ..... http://www.harvardhouse.com/expanding_universe_quran.htm

 

The interesting part is that he agrees that these facts are accurate but struggles to claim someone else is responsible for them .... From this what an intelligent person should conclude is that if this Book has such accurate facts which has been denied to our modern day scientists until yesterday ... we should forget about who authored it and go ahead and find out more about such truths in Quran and Sunnah before waiting another millanium to find out the mystries of science of creation and universe by these lame scientists.

 

Quran also talks of a point where it will stop the expansion of Universe and then it will be rolled back like perhaps a huge peice of paper ... Now read it here ..... "That Day when We will fold up the heaven like the folding of a (written) sheet for the records. As We originated the first creation so We will repeat it. It is a promise binding on Us. Indeed We will do it." (Surah 21:104).

 

I saw a NASA scientist talking about htis phenomena recently.

 

So now I leave you with this for the intelligent ones to reflect on ... and benefit from Quran if there is the will. There are many more interesting facts of Quran like ... our Prophet's travel from Masjid-ul-Haram in Makkah to Masjid-ul- Aqsa in Jerusalm and then to seven Heavens and back to Makkah at a speed much faster than the speed of light. But science says there is nothing that can travel faster than light ...

 

There are indications from new studies that speeds above light can be achieved when this happens those scientists may be subject to embarassment. ... for disproving that faulty "fact". It may be more embarassing when they find out our prophet flew much faster travelling outside flying past billions of galaxies and in to seven Heavens and was back in a fraction of a single night. Even Buddha is supposed to have taken such journeys according to Tripitake. I mean to seven heavens.

 

I know the pundits will make the same hue and cry about this journey....  the way they did when they thought earth was the centre of this universe and the sun traversed around the earth while Quran had been resonating the correct facts for 1000 years. We will see many more such comedies.

 

Eventually when they find Quran is accurate they will say ... "Oh! this information was there with the Greeks or in the Bible centuries before Islam and Muhammed copied it from them". Perhaps due to such reasons Allah made our Prophet to remain illiterate until his death, not knowing to read or write whatsoever so that he will not be able to copy and write faulty information in the pure Book of Allah.

 

Yet if we assume he copied, then, he should have had special talent to copy only the accurate information filtering out all the falacies of ancient books.

 

Niyas

From: Anuruddha Toradeniya <aro...@yahoo.co.in>
To: niyas abbas <niyas...@yahoo.co.uk>; Bodhi Dhanapala <bodhi...@yahoo.com>; Wendell Solomons <city...@gmail.com>
Cc: ben silva <bn_...@yahoo.co.uk>; JC Ahangama <ahan...@gmail.com>; C Lokuliyana
Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011, 6:10
Subject: The Quran is a pack of lies

Niyas,

I have already proven that the Quran is scientifically wrong. You have nothing to counter it, and keep repeating the same thin over and over again.

How can the Quran be true when it says the Earth is flat like a pancake?

As per your request, I will now quote just one sentence from the Quran which was regarded true in the 7th century, but has been since disproved over a million times with a multitude of evidence. 

"And God has laid the Earth for you as a carpet Bisata"  (Quran, 71:19)

What does this mean?

The Quran says the Earth is flat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Even a two year old child today, including those in Saudi Arabia, the birth place of Islam, knows that the Earth is a sphere.

The Quran described the shape of the Earth using the following Arabic words:

Madda, Madadnaha, Firasha, Mahdan, Farashnaha, Bisata, Mihada, Dahaha, Tahaha and Sutehat.

Every one of them means FLAT.

Dear Buddhists and other non-Muslims in the forum, google the above words and find out the truth yourselves.

In addition to the above verse, the Quranic verses 15:19, 20:53, 43:10, 50:07, 51:48, 78:06, 79:30, 88:20 and 91:06 ALL clearly state that the earth is flat. And not a single verse in the Quran tells or even hints us that the shape of the earth is anything else than flat, the conclusion is clear; according to the Quran the earth is flat as a pancake!!!

Niyas, you and the Quran are big losers.  

Islam is disproved. Actually, it is a made-up religion based on other religions.

That's why I said that even in Saudi Arabia the Quran is sent to document repositories and museums.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.

- Anuruddha

From: niyas abbas <niyas...@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: Buddhism does not need rebirth

 science is a doubt system, unlike religion which is a belief system.

Only Islam has a Book of facts which doesn't change forever. Did you know that .... Yes you heard but don't like to admit it ....

Quran is always ahead of science like your shadow in the front with the light at your back. You will never catch up with it.

It is because it is from the Creator of this universe and everything in it. So can one find any mistakes? So make that Book your way of life and you will never have to worry about going wrong. 

There is one major advantage to rely on the Quran because there is only one version of it .... Tripitake has 40 plus versions and no one knows which is the correct one .... Bible has 300 plus versions and 2000 translations (which are not corrected when versions are revised). IT IS DISASTEROUS.

So your only wise choice is Quran and Islam .... if you want to get out of hindu paganism.

niyas

From: Bodhi Dhanapala <bodhi...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2011, 23:45
Subject: Re: Buddhism does not need rebirth

Ananada asks, "when do these deleberations end"? Scientific discussion does not ever END because science is a doubt system, unlike religion which is a belief system.  Even Einstein's theory, or the quantum theory which has been confirmed to the 12th decimal place or what ever , is being probed for errors at higher decimal places. Just recently some body claimed that there is evidence for "particles moving faster than light". That he is correct has less chance of being true than my winning  two or three lotteries on the same day. Yet  this somebody is given a hearing because they are saying so with experimental data, submitted to a serious journal (Nature?), and not  empty handed. Such tests will go on  as long as there are inquiring minds. Minds which have got shut like clams have absolutely no doubts, and for them, the deliberations have ended. --- On Thu, 10/27/11, Ananda Wijesinghe <anan...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: When do we end these stupid deliberations...? = Ananda Wijesinghe "Dhammô hawê rakkhati dhammachâri"   From: Wendell Solomons <city...@gmail.com> Dear Forum, God has flown down wth his laws.and Commandments. Does an all-knowing omniscient God need mere human reason? ------------------- Alternatively, a paid bedum-vadi, well cut and polished infiltrator may be wrangling with a target group. Better safe than sorry, --wws On 28 October 2011 00:35, niyas abbas <niyas...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Mr Toradeniya, Can you bring one scientific fact from Quran which has been disproved with evidence? rather than simply make stupid statements. Quran is the only scripture which has not gone to the museums to rest in peace. It is an active scripture being committed to memory by millions from 6yr olds. It is a practical book. No other scripture has been memorized from cover to cover. Not one single.