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Here you go cowards. This is the ORIGINAL attack by Justis and my response.
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Date: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Subject: "Friendy Advice for Mr. Barton" update
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Dear JB Cases,
You are subscribed to the thread "Friendy Advice for Mr. Barton" by Jack Justis, there have been 28 post(s) to this thread, the last poster was Jack Justis.
http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?t=234883
These following posts were made to the thread:
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Friendy Advice for Mr. Barton
http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057540#post3057540
Posted by: Jack Justis
On: 06-14-2011 07:13 AM
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
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Posted by: ribdoner
On: 06-14-2011 07:18 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
---End Quote---
Jack,
A consultant would charge large for this sage advice
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Posted by: deanoc
On: 06-14-2011 07:27 AM
i wasn't aware that John needed the advice,he has always handled business
in a very timely way with me and i have bought many cases from him
i have always been happy with him and the cases
dean
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Posted by: mullyman
On: 06-14-2011 07:28 AM
Ooooh, a Jack vs John thread. These are always good for 10-15 pages.
MULLY
someone needs to start a thread on "The best tip"
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Ouch!!!
http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057567#post3057567
Posted by: tucson9ball
On: 06-14-2011 07:28 AM
Get the popcorn, this should be good......:slap:
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Posted by: trustyrusty
On: 06-14-2011 07:29 AM
---Quote (Originally by mullyman)---
Ooooh, a Jack vs John thread. These are always good for 10-15 pages.
MULLY
someone needs to start a thread on "The best tip"
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my best tip is to check this thread at least a couple of times a day :thumbup:
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Posted by: Nick B
On: 06-14-2011 07:33 AM
Based on the current exchange rate this should spawn 15 emails from him and 9 from his sidekick.
Image: http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/batman-robin-kiss.jpg
Nick
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057605#post3057605
Posted by: JE54
On: 06-14-2011 07:57 AM
Subscribing to the thread..............
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057611#post3057611
Posted by: skip
On: 06-14-2011 08:01 AM
By the way Mully, I switched from kamui med. brown to kamui soft. Like it better. :wink:
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Posted by: lfigueroa
On: 06-14-2011 08:26 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
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lol. Might have to unplonk John for this one, lol.
Lou Figueroa
"Honey...
We got any popcorn in the house?"
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Posted by: measureman
On: 06-14-2011 08:26 AM
---Quote (Originally by mullyman)---
Ooooh, a Jack vs John thread. These are always good for 10-15 pages.
MULLY
someone needs to start a thread on *"The best tip"*
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This is funny. OK here is a good tip"Keep the cue as level as possible"Thats what you meant right?
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Posted by: manwon
On: 06-14-2011 08:43 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
---End Quote---
Hello Jack, it is good to have you posting here on the forum again. I hope all is well with you and your wife.
Oh and by the way, do you have anymore of those shaft burnishers you sold before, if so I would like to buy some more,
Take Care Jack.
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Posted by: Spimp13
On: 06-14-2011 08:57 AM
What is the over/under word count on JB's first post in this thread? I'll take the over for $20.
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Posted by: rossaroni
On: 06-14-2011 08:59 AM
---Quote (Originally by Spimp13)---
What is the over/under word count on JB's first post in this thread? I'll take the over for $20.
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5....Lets get ready to rumble.:wink:
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Posted by: Jack Justis
On: 06-14-2011 09:01 AM
---Quote (Originally by manwon)---
Hello Jack, it is good to have you posting here on the forum again. I hope all is well with you and your wife.
Oh and by the way, do you have anymore of those shaft burnishers you sold before, if so I would like to buy some more,
Take Care Jack.
---End Quote---
Since you and I think the same way, your burnishers are free for life. Just tell me how many you need.:thumbup:
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Posted by: CMD
On: 06-14-2011 09:04 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
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Truer words have never been spoken... John spends an amazing amount of time fighting other peoples battles. Or professing his expertise aiming a cue ball (like it truly matters when you are a case maker).
JB Cases (the company) built me an exceptional case. However as a paying customer, the process was WAY too much work. I was promised dates - they came and went. Then the excuses piled up.
John - don't bother emailing me... I don't care.
<~~~~~~~paid in full like a fool at the beginning
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Posted by: mikeyfrost
On: 06-14-2011 09:05 AM
Justis thats a cool set up there, def what my shop might look like if i made some cases, you six sigma'd the hell outta that.
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Posted by: Jack Justis
On: 06-14-2011 09:08 AM
---Quote (Originally by Nick B)---
Based on the current exchange rate this should spawn 15 emails from him and 9 from his sidekick.
Image: http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/batman-robin-kiss.jpg
Nick
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Which one is John? Oh, yeah, I get it. They both are John.:D
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Posted by: "CaliRed".
On: 06-14-2011 09:09 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. *You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ.* You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
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Jack,
I don't know you and I don't follow any of the cue or case wars.. although I think I did read one a while back. I believe you were involved in there. Don't even remember what the issue was.
But I must say, I can appreciate the beauty of your post.
You start off with 4 nice condescending jabs.. Bam, Bam, Bam, Bam. They're not wild swinging jabs, they're short accurate ones.
You then follow it up with a huge Superman punch with the "rich like me" one:)
The accompanying photo, showing how really basic it can be, is a classic oldschool jab. The pink pig named J.B, is a nice touch too:D
Next we have the very basic business principal being trotted out, with the the most searing punch of the whole post. The punch they simply call "The Truth" and boy.. does that one hurt!!!:wink:
Rounding it all off is a few KISS jabs, and a excellent post was created.
I appreciate your humor. Some of you is in me.. (only because you're older) hmmmm... that somehow doesn't sound right.. oh well, since I pointed it out already, it automatically nullifies anyone using it.
Carry on!
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Posted by: Jack Justis
On: 06-14-2011 09:32 AM
Hey John,
My day off .......laundry is piling up.
Attachment 185128 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185128)
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Posted by: Blue Hog ridr
On: 06-14-2011 09:38 AM
Seeing we are on the subject of shaft burnishers, I would like some to give to my customers too. I know we discussed the cost of shipping previously and I don't mind the cost of leather or shipping. Living in Canada, the extra shipping for my supply items is just a part of doing business and I don't stress over it. If you have 50 or so, I would take them. They don't have to be embossed, plain are ok with me. My postal code is S4S2E3 if you can check to give me a cost of burnishers and shipping.
Thanks.
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Posted by: JB Cases
On: 06-14-2011 09:38 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
---End Quote---
Oh Jack, do you honestly believe that? I can make cases by myself if I had to. Do you think that there is anything difficult in what you do that I cannot do? Copycat is a strong word, try these on for size <a href="http://jbcases.com/casesbyname.html" target="_blank">http://jbcases.com/casesbyname.html</a>
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If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
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Thank you. I think you are exactly right and that's why you have the nuts as far as the case making business goes.
Unfortunately my business is a little more complicated than yours as we do true custom work where we try to satisfy just about every wish that a customer has.
You have limited choices which is very smart. You have set templates which you do not change except grudgingly at high prices. Sticking to this policy is good for you and not good for any customer whose needs don't fit your limited range of choice.
I applaud you for having the discipline to have a very narrow set of case configurations and to stick to it. Buying pre-made interiors from China and offering only those two sizes and configurations is very smart. I have always been very stupid to offer cases in every possible configuration that I could build.
Like this 3x8 we did for a customer according to his needs:
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/blackdiamond.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/bryan/bryan-u-interior.jpg </a>
We took the time to figure out how to redo the layout and subtract just enough padding in the right places to make it work for the customer.
The same customer also wanted to have the lid open up from front to back BUT have the same clean frontal look as the side opening lids do. So we did this for him with double magnetic latches on both sides.
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/blackdiamond.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/bryan/bryan-t-lidopen.jpg </a>
This person wanted metal lettering so we had a friend with a YAG laser cut the parts in brass and weld clasps to them and then I spent a few hours deburring them and polishing them. Crazy stupid of me I know to spend the time getting this done for a customer's wishes. And this customer was and is very unhappy about the time and communication so your advice would have come in very handy.
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/cmd.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/cmd/cmd-a-front.jpg </a>
The fact that you limit which side the handle should be on is pure genius. I can't tell you the amount of times we have put it on the wrong side and had to remake the case. Fortunately most times the case we did wrong found a home as well.
Here is one with the handle on the left.
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/chris.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/chris-web/chris-a-front.jpg </a>
Poor Gene Huie had to wait longer because we built his first case with the handle on the left instead of the right.
But we did get it correct the second time:
<a href="http://jbcases.com/gene-huie.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/gene-huie/gene-a-front.jpg </a>
Oh and Gene wanted to have an interior done with individual tubes instead of the UltraPad interior.
Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/gene-huie/gene-p-interior.jpg
And the one we did wrong was just delivered to Rich Wolf and he elected to have the lid done differently as well as to have us make the interior color in green similar to a pool cloth. I spent a little time to find the right cloth for the job. Crazy stupid I know and I didn't even charge extra for it.
But this is what he just wrote to me about the case:
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"I received the case today. It's beautiful! Thank you so much for your work. I'm am very pleased with how it looks, and the construction is impressive to say the least.
I'll pass your business cards along to prospective customers. Hopefully you'll end up with a backlog of orders.
Rich (Wolf)"*
Now this customer wanted to have a case that sealed a bit more to protect his cues so we made a sort of bottle stopper for the top. We had to make the case a bit longer to accommodate that feature.
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/playhard.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/playhard/playhard-a-front.jpg
Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/playhard/playhard-r-lidinside.jpg </a>
So I do see where you have limited the case lengths to only that which you buy pre-made is a good way to go. It certainly cuts down on the amount of design work and makes it much easier to get cases done.
Having a large shop full of people to manage and having to maintain five computers six sewing machines, a large format laser engraver, die press, is certainly much more complicated than the sweet little setup you have. But this is the life I chose and I don't complain about it. I wanted to be able to give my customers as much choice as possible and I believe that we offer more than just about anyone else.
The advantage to being here is that I can afford to "spend" more people time on a case than you can. Instead of making loose and ill-fitting lids according to a template I can afford to have people spend the time hand fitting each lid to each case for example. I can afford to invent better ways to build cases which require more labor because I have the labor to spend on those methods. I am also not tied to the workbench and have the freedom to use my brain to come up with new things and can put them into action right away.
Thus I don't have to settle for limiting choice and can afford to experiment. The obvious disadvantage is that doing it this way requires a lot more of my brain power and effort to interpret the customer's desires and translate them into instructions that my staff can follow.
Your picture of a set up similar to a short-order cook is very apt. That would be the best way to structure it if my business model were like yours with a limited and simple menu. But my business is more like a busy five star kitchen where there are complicated dishes on the menu with a different set of creations every day while at the same preparing each and every dish exactly to the customer's wishes. That takes a bit longer but the result is a case which is tailored to each customer's desire and meticulously crafted with obsession and passion.
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/rich.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/rich/rich-a-front.jpg </a>
My Lifetime Case
…. I have had many leather cases over the years – I can’t even remember them all – and was never really happy with any of them except for a little 1×2 case made by Marc Turcasso. Yeah, I’m pretty picky. But I recently received a 3×4 case John built to my specs – lots of design freedom with John – and I am extremely happy with it in all respects. It’s a relief to finally have my “lifetime case” to go along with my 28 year old “lifetime cue”. To those who think “built in China” means lower quality, I have no comment except to say that it’s not true with JB Cases.
Rich Klein
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Posted by: JB Cases
On: 06-14-2011 09:46 AM
This customer wanted a place to put the cueball:
Image: http://jbcases.com/cases/kirk/kirk-c-lidinside.jpg
Took a bit of time to get this right and we had to rebuild it three times but the end result is a custom built lid where the ball sits snugly inside and is very difficult to dislodge by regular use. However it's easy to remove with the fingers.
Now Jack, maybe you think that I simply tossed this to the workshop and they came up with the solution but you'd be wrong. I designed it and worked on it myself until we got it working just as I wanted it. THEN I gave it to them to do the clean version that the customer got.
Have you ever done anything like this for a customer?
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Posted by: JB Cases
On: 06-14-2011 09:53 AM
Oh and I forgot, the same customer also wanted to be able to carry his Cue Reach inside the case. Well initially he just wanted a simple clip and retainer on the outside of the case and I suggested to him that we redesign the interior to accomodate the cue reach AND his break cue.
Image: http://jbcases.com/cases/kirk/kirk-h-interiorwithcues.jpg
So the interior of this case has been modified so that the Cue Reach extension goes in and ONLY goes to a depth of 18" and yet the cue can go into a bag that goes right inside the extension.
Thus, all his needs are taken care of in a nice compact package.
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Posted by: Spimp13
On: 06-14-2011 09:56 AM
---Quote (Originally by rossaroni)---
5....Lets get ready to rumble.:wink:
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Pay up...I can do a payment plan if you want :D
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Posted by: cuesblues
On: 06-14-2011 09:56 AM
---Quote (Originally by mikeyfrost)---
you six sigma'd the hell outta that.
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Maybe Jack should hire you as his Six Sigma Process Optimization Director.
First on the agenda would be to get that laundry room ISO 9001 certified
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Posted by: manwon
On: 06-14-2011 10:08 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
Since you and I think the same way, your burnishers are free for life. Just tell me how many you need.:thumbup:
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Jack I do not want anything for free, but I would like to buy 20 of them.
Please send me a PM. with address and the price and thanks for the kind words Jack, I do mean it, it is good to have you back posting here.
Take care Sir.:)
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Posted by: Jack Justis
On: 06-14-2011 10:09 AM
---Quote (Originally by JB Cases)---
Oh Jack, do you honestly believe that? I can make cases by myself if I had to. Do you think that there is anything difficult in what you do that I cannot do? Copycat is a strong word, try these on for size [url]http://jbcases.com/casesbyname.htm
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I never said it was that diffucult. Just show me and the rest of AZ a case that you made from start to finish and I will get off your back, maybe. You are so full of yourself....you will probably come up with something.
These photos your pushing means nothing to me or any one else since you did not make them....comprende?
All the best,
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From: AzBilliards Forums <hous...@azbilliards.com>
Date: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Subject: "Friendy Advice for Mr. Barton" update
To: a...@jbideas.com
Dear JB Cases,
You are subscribed to the thread "Friendy Advice for Mr. Barton" by Jack Justis, there have been 28 post(s) to this thread, the last poster was Jack Justis.
http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?t=234883
These following posts were made to the thread:
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Friendy Advice for Mr. Barton
http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057540#post3057540
Posted by: Jack Justis
On: 06-14-2011 07:13 AM
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
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Posted by: ribdoner
On: 06-14-2011 07:18 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
---End Quote---
Jack,
A consultant would charge large for this sage advice
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Posted by: deanoc
On: 06-14-2011 07:27 AM
i wasn't aware that John needed the advice,he has always handled business
in a very timely way with me and i have bought many cases from him
i have always been happy with him and the cases
dean
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057566#post3057566
Posted by: mullyman
On: 06-14-2011 07:28 AM
Ooooh, a Jack vs John thread. These are always good for 10-15 pages.
MULLY
someone needs to start a thread on "The best tip"
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Ouch!!!
http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057567#post3057567
Posted by: tucson9ball
On: 06-14-2011 07:28 AM
Get the popcorn, this should be good......:slap:
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057571#post3057571
Posted by: trustyrusty
On: 06-14-2011 07:29 AM
---Quote (Originally by mullyman)---
Ooooh, a Jack vs John thread. These are always good for 10-15 pages.
MULLY
someone needs to start a thread on "The best tip"
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my best tip is to check this thread at least a couple of times a day :thumbup:
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057580#post3057580
Posted by: Nick B
On: 06-14-2011 07:33 AM
Based on the current exchange rate this should spawn 15 emails from him and 9 from his sidekick.
Image: http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/batman-robin-kiss.jpg
Nick
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057605#post3057605
Posted by: JE54
On: 06-14-2011 07:57 AM
Subscribing to the thread..............
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057611#post3057611
Posted by: skip
On: 06-14-2011 08:01 AM
By the way Mully, I switched from kamui med. brown to kamui soft. Like it better. :wink:
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057647#post3057647
Posted by: lfigueroa
On: 06-14-2011 08:26 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
---End Quote---
lol. Might have to unplonk John for this one, lol.
Lou Figueroa
"Honey...
We got any popcorn in the house?"
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Posted by: measureman
On: 06-14-2011 08:26 AM
---Quote (Originally by mullyman)---
Ooooh, a Jack vs John thread. These are always good for 10-15 pages.
MULLY
someone needs to start a thread on *"The best tip"*
---End Quote---
This is funny. OK here is a good tip"Keep the cue as level as possible"Thats what you meant right?
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057676#post3057676
Posted by: manwon
On: 06-14-2011 08:43 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
---End Quote---
Hello Jack, it is good to have you posting here on the forum again. I hope all is well with you and your wife.
Oh and by the way, do you have anymore of those shaft burnishers you sold before, if so I would like to buy some more,
Take Care Jack.
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057697#post3057697
Posted by: Spimp13
On: 06-14-2011 08:57 AM
What is the over/under word count on JB's first post in this thread? I'll take the over for $20.
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057701#post3057701
Posted by: rossaroni
On: 06-14-2011 08:59 AM
---Quote (Originally by Spimp13)---
What is the over/under word count on JB's first post in this thread? I'll take the over for $20.
---End Quote---
5....Lets get ready to rumble.:wink:
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057705#post3057705
Posted by: Jack Justis
On: 06-14-2011 09:01 AM
---Quote (Originally by manwon)---
Hello Jack, it is good to have you posting here on the forum again. I hope all is well with you and your wife.
Oh and by the way, do you have anymore of those shaft burnishers you sold before, if so I would like to buy some more,
Take Care Jack.
---End Quote---
Since you and I think the same way, your burnishers are free for life. Just tell me how many you need.:thumbup:
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Posted by: CMD
On: 06-14-2011 09:04 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
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Truer words have never been spoken... John spends an amazing amount of time fighting other peoples battles. Or professing his expertise aiming a cue ball (like it truly matters when you are a case maker).
JB Cases (the company) built me an exceptional case. However as a paying customer, the process was WAY too much work. I was promised dates - they came and went. Then the excuses piled up.
John - don't bother emailing me... I don't care.
<~~~~~~~paid in full like a fool at the beginning
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Posted by: mikeyfrost
On: 06-14-2011 09:05 AM
Justis thats a cool set up there, def what my shop might look like if i made some cases, you six sigma'd the hell outta that.
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057715#post3057715
Posted by: Jack Justis
On: 06-14-2011 09:08 AM
---Quote (Originally by Nick B)---
Based on the current exchange rate this should spawn 15 emails from him and 9 from his sidekick.
Image: http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/batman-robin-kiss.jpg
Nick
---End Quote---
Which one is John? Oh, yeah, I get it. They both are John.:D
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Posted by: "CaliRed".
On: 06-14-2011 09:09 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. *You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ.* You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
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Jack,
I don't know you and I don't follow any of the cue or case wars.. although I think I did read one a while back. I believe you were involved in there. Don't even remember what the issue was.
But I must say, I can appreciate the beauty of your post.
You start off with 4 nice condescending jabs.. Bam, Bam, Bam, Bam. They're not wild swinging jabs, they're short accurate ones.
You then follow it up with a huge Superman punch with the "rich like me" one:)
The accompanying photo, showing how really basic it can be, is a classic oldschool jab. The pink pig named J.B, is a nice touch too:D
Next we have the very basic business principal being trotted out, with the the most searing punch of the whole post. The punch they simply call "The Truth" and boy.. does that one hurt!!!:wink:
Rounding it all off is a few KISS jabs, and a excellent post was created.
I appreciate your humor. Some of you is in me.. (only because you're older) hmmmm... that somehow doesn't sound right.. oh well, since I pointed it out already, it automatically nullifies anyone using it.
Carry on!
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I forgot
http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057752#post3057752
Posted by: Jack Justis
On: 06-14-2011 09:32 AM
Hey John,
My day off .......laundry is piling up.
Attachment 185128 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185128)
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Posted by: Blue Hog ridr
On: 06-14-2011 09:38 AM
Seeing we are on the subject of shaft burnishers, I would like some to give to my customers too. I know we discussed the cost of shipping previously and I don't mind the cost of leather or shipping. Living in Canada, the extra shipping for my supply items is just a part of doing business and I don't stress over it. If you have 50 or so, I would take them. They don't have to be embossed, plain are ok with me. My postal code is S4S2E3 if you can check to give me a cost of burnishers and shipping.
Thanks.
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057771#post3057771
Posted by: JB Cases
On: 06-14-2011 09:38 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
I see your talking about me again (what else is new). I see your now an expert on low overhead but your not applying it to your business. The reason your not using a low overhead business plan is because you cannot make a cue case by yourself and have to hire 10 other people to do it for you. Maybe someday you will be able to build your own case instead of riding on someone's else's coattails, you copycat...;)
---End Quote---
Oh Jack, do you honestly believe that? I can make cases by myself if I had to. Do you think that there is anything difficult in what you do that I cannot do? Copycat is a strong word, try these on for size <a href="http://jbcases.com/casesbyname.html" target="_blank">http://jbcases.com/casesbyname.html</a>
---Quote---
If you want to get rich like me, you first have to downsize and learn how to make your own cases. You don't need a lot of space, in fact, a laundry room works great. Its compact and you don't need to walk very far to go from one phase to the next. You might want something like this to start.
Attachment 185115 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185115)
The next thing is you have to be organized and take care of business first. You can't expect to do this with the amount of time you waste on AZ. You can't keep telling customers your're bad at answering emails or your not good at following up on orders. After doing the several times, your customers are going to think your nothing more than a liar or losing your mind.
I use one of the things you see short order cooks using to organize my orders. First in, first out. Simple as that. If I get an inquiry, its answered usually within minutes.....not hours or days. Get one of these gadgets to help you keep tract.
Attachment 185116 (http://forums.azbilliards.com//attachment.php?attachmentid=185116)
Best of luck.
---End Quote---
Thank you. I think you are exactly right and that's why you have the nuts as far as the case making business goes.
Unfortunately my business is a little more complicated than yours as we do true custom work where we try to satisfy just about every wish that a customer has.
You have limited choices which is very smart. You have set templates which you do not change except grudgingly at high prices. Sticking to this policy is good for you and not good for any customer whose needs don't fit your limited range of choice.
I applaud you for having the discipline to have a very narrow set of case configurations and to stick to it. Buying pre-made interiors from China and offering only those two sizes and configurations is very smart. I have always been very stupid to offer cases in every possible configuration that I could build.
Like this 3x8 we did for a customer according to his needs:
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/blackdiamond.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/bryan/bryan-u-interior.jpg </a>
We took the time to figure out how to redo the layout and subtract just enough padding in the right places to make it work for the customer.
The same customer also wanted to have the lid open up from front to back BUT have the same clean frontal look as the side opening lids do. So we did this for him with double magnetic latches on both sides.
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/blackdiamond.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/bryan/bryan-t-lidopen.jpg </a>
This person wanted metal lettering so we had a friend with a YAG laser cut the parts in brass and weld clasps to them and then I spent a few hours deburring them and polishing them. Crazy stupid of me I know to spend the time getting this done for a customer's wishes. And this customer was and is very unhappy about the time and communication so your advice would have come in very handy.
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/cmd.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/cmd/cmd-a-front.jpg </a>
The fact that you limit which side the handle should be on is pure genius. I can't tell you the amount of times we have put it on the wrong side and had to remake the case. Fortunately most times the case we did wrong found a home as well.
Here is one with the handle on the left.
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/chris.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/chris-web/chris-a-front.jpg </a>
Poor Gene Huie had to wait longer because we built his first case with the handle on the left instead of the right.
But we did get it correct the second time:
<a href="http://jbcases.com/gene-huie.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/gene-huie/gene-a-front.jpg </a>
Oh and Gene wanted to have an interior done with individual tubes instead of the UltraPad interior.
Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/gene-huie/gene-p-interior.jpg
And the one we did wrong was just delivered to Rich Wolf and he elected to have the lid done differently as well as to have us make the interior color in green similar to a pool cloth. I spent a little time to find the right cloth for the job. Crazy stupid I know and I didn't even charge extra for it.
But this is what he just wrote to me about the case:
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"I received the case today. It's beautiful! Thank you so much for your work. I'm am very pleased with how it looks, and the construction is impressive to say the least.
I'll pass your business cards along to prospective customers. Hopefully you'll end up with a backlog of orders.
Rich (Wolf)"*
Now this customer wanted to have a case that sealed a bit more to protect his cues so we made a sort of bottle stopper for the top. We had to make the case a bit longer to accommodate that feature.
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/playhard.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/playhard/playhard-a-front.jpg
Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/playhard/playhard-r-lidinside.jpg </a>
So I do see where you have limited the case lengths to only that which you buy pre-made is a good way to go. It certainly cuts down on the amount of design work and makes it much easier to get cases done.
Having a large shop full of people to manage and having to maintain five computers six sewing machines, a large format laser engraver, die press, is certainly much more complicated than the sweet little setup you have. But this is the life I chose and I don't complain about it. I wanted to be able to give my customers as much choice as possible and I believe that we offer more than just about anyone else.
The advantage to being here is that I can afford to "spend" more people time on a case than you can. Instead of making loose and ill-fitting lids according to a template I can afford to have people spend the time hand fitting each lid to each case for example. I can afford to invent better ways to build cases which require more labor because I have the labor to spend on those methods. I am also not tied to the workbench and have the freedom to use my brain to come up with new things and can put them into action right away.
Thus I don't have to settle for limiting choice and can afford to experiment. The obvious disadvantage is that doing it this way requires a lot more of my brain power and effort to interpret the customer's desires and translate them into instructions that my staff can follow.
Your picture of a set up similar to a short-order cook is very apt. That would be the best way to structure it if my business model were like yours with a limited and simple menu. But my business is more like a busy five star kitchen where there are complicated dishes on the menu with a different set of creations every day while at the same preparing each and every dish exactly to the customer's wishes. That takes a bit longer but the result is a case which is tailored to each customer's desire and meticulously crafted with obsession and passion.
<a href="http://www.jbcases.com/rich.html" target="_blank">Image: http://www.jbcases.com/cases/rich/rich-a-front.jpg </a>
My Lifetime Case
…. I have had many leather cases over the years – I can’t even remember them all – and was never really happy with any of them except for a little 1×2 case made by Marc Turcasso. Yeah, I’m pretty picky. But I recently received a 3×4 case John built to my specs – lots of design freedom with John – and I am extremely happy with it in all respects. It’s a relief to finally have my “lifetime case” to go along with my 28 year old “lifetime cue”. To those who think “built in China” means lower quality, I have no comment except to say that it’s not true with JB Cases.
Rich Klein
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Posted by: JB Cases
On: 06-14-2011 09:46 AM
This customer wanted a place to put the cueball:
Image: http://jbcases.com/cases/kirk/kirk-c-lidinside.jpg
Took a bit of time to get this right and we had to rebuild it three times but the end result is a custom built lid where the ball sits snugly inside and is very difficult to dislodge by regular use. However it's easy to remove with the fingers.
Now Jack, maybe you think that I simply tossed this to the workshop and they came up with the solution but you'd be wrong. I designed it and worked on it myself until we got it working just as I wanted it. THEN I gave it to them to do the clean version that the customer got.
Have you ever done anything like this for a customer?
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http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?p=3057798#post3057798
Posted by: JB Cases
On: 06-14-2011 09:53 AM
Oh and I forgot, the same customer also wanted to be able to carry his Cue Reach inside the case. Well initially he just wanted a simple clip and retainer on the outside of the case and I suggested to him that we redesign the interior to accomodate the cue reach AND his break cue.
Image: http://jbcases.com/cases/kirk/kirk-h-interiorwithcues.jpg
So the interior of this case has been modified so that the Cue Reach extension goes in and ONLY goes to a depth of 18" and yet the cue can go into a bag that goes right inside the extension.
Thus, all his needs are taken care of in a nice compact package.
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Posted by: Spimp13
On: 06-14-2011 09:56 AM
---Quote (Originally by rossaroni)---
5....Lets get ready to rumble.:wink:
---End Quote---
Pay up...I can do a payment plan if you want :D
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Posted by: cuesblues
On: 06-14-2011 09:56 AM
---Quote (Originally by mikeyfrost)---
you six sigma'd the hell outta that.
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Maybe Jack should hire you as his Six Sigma Process Optimization Director.
First on the agenda would be to get that laundry room ISO 9001 certified
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Posted by: manwon
On: 06-14-2011 10:08 AM
---Quote (Originally by Jack Justis)---
Since you and I think the same way, your burnishers are free for life. Just tell me how many you need.:thumbup:
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Jack I do not want anything for free, but I would like to buy 20 of them.
Please send me a PM. with address and the price and thanks for the kind words Jack, I do mean it, it is good to have you back posting here.
Take care Sir.:)
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Posted by: Jack Justis
On: 06-14-2011 10:09 AM
---Quote (Originally by JB Cases)---
Oh Jack, do you honestly believe that? I can make cases by myself if I had to. Do you think that there is anything difficult in what you do that I cannot do? Copycat is a strong word, try these on for size [url]http://jbcases.com/casesbyname.htm
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I never said it was that diffucult. Just show me and the rest of AZ a case that you made from start to finish and I will get off your back, maybe. You are so full of yourself....you will probably come up with something.
These photos your pushing means nothing to me or any one else since you did not make them....comprende?
All the best,
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