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[Gary & Elizabeth Anderson]

Hi again, Bill,,,

Since scriptures should all fit together, I'm wondering what your take is on Col. 2:16-17

Col 2:16 ¶ So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. (NKJV)

It would appear that Paul is telling the gentile Collosians not to let anyone judge them in regards to keeping feast days, the Sabbaths, etc.  Since they were GENTILES, they wouldn't have been doing this as a way of gentile lifestyle.  The Collosians were under grace, and the new covenant, and it was "Today" then, also, so WHY were they apparently keeping the Sabbath and holy days, etc.?

Paul also wrote to gentile Corinthians, and seemed to be encouraging them to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread:  1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (NKJV) The Corinthians were under grace, and the new covenant, and it was "Today" then, also, so WHY were they apparently keeping the Feast of Unleavened Bread?

In the future, Egypt (again gentiles) will be REQUIRED to keep the Feast of Tabernacles, or they'll get no rain, etc. 

I was curious as to how you get these scriptures to "fit in" with the concept that you gave?

Don't get me wrong, I know EVERYONE has different understandings of different scriptures, and it doesn't bother me too much, because everyone will have to give account for himself to a "higher authority" in the future.  I think you'll admit that your viewpoint is somewhat different than some others, so I'm sure you expect questions like I just asked.  You're not going to offend me with your answers, nor cause "division" between us.  I have brothers in the "Yahwehist" bunch that have quite drastic differences in their outlook on some things than I do, but they're still my brothers.

Gary

At 05:52 PM 6/30/2009, you wrote:

Don't give up on me, Bill,,,  I'm going to have to read this again, to see IF I can figure out where you're going.  To make it short, are you saying that Christians don't have to observe the 7th day of the week as the Sabbath?  It kind of appeared like you were saying EVERY day should be a Sabbath, and if that's the case, how can we make a living?  :-)  I'll have to admit, to me, your post is original... I don't think I've ever seen ANYONE quite describe things this way.  :-D 
Gary

At 10:52 PM 6/29/2009, you wrote:

 These are the days of Grace, that is called today. This is the new covenant day.
Notice encourage each other daily.
 
Now to this Greek word "sabbatismos"  means rest people make it out to be a holy word from God. It just means rest. In the old testament he made the 7th day of the week holy. In all instances it means rest. If you lived back then and you had been plowing behind an oxen all day you might say to your son, "my son it is growing hot lets go to the big oak and get a drink and Sabbath for awhile." It means rest.

The whole context of Hebrews 3 and 4 is the future rest of God and another day he called today.
A time of salvation. That’s why he said if Joshua had been able to give them rest (sabbath) not the seventh day but rest then he would not have made another day and called it today.
Then reading on he in Chapter 4 says again encourage one another daily as long as it is called today. Only Christ is able to give us a true Sabbath day rest we must rest in Christ daily continually until we pass on the great beyond.
 
Today if you hear his voice. (We are the called out ones) we have heard his voice.
But please understand I am not trying to cause dissension among the brethren. That is one of the seven things God hates. I am really not trying to tell anyone what to do or days to keep it is just my opinion.
There are two rests mentioned in Heb chapter 3 and 4 a future rest and a today rest.
When his disciples were rubbing grain together on the Sabbath Christ said he was the Lord of the Sabbath. There is absolutely nothing wrong in going to church on the 7th day of the week or any other day. The early churches went everyday. They met daily and broke bread. I wish it were possible for us to do that.

Just my opinion. I am truly not trying to change you or your form of worshiping God nor anyone else’s. I just have stated my scriptural opinion.
Those who Christ has set free are free indeed. Free means not bound by anything. Paul and John said only be bound by love.
 
 Hebrews chpt 3
12See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today,
("There is something that can not be denied something is called today" this is inserted by me)
so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. 15As has just been said:
   "Today, if you hear his voice,
      do not harden your hearts
   as you did in the rebellion."[b]
 
Do you believe that Christ is our atonement just one time a year every year? Or is our atonement a constant thing?
Then you should ask yourself if he is my atonement what else has he become for me?
Well he became our Passover did he not do a complete job in his death burial and resurrection.
The churches of God seventh day say he did not fulfill all in his death but just part.
I ain't buying that for a minute. He tabernacles with us constantly. Christ is our completeness.
In him I lack nothing. In Christ there is the fullness of God. 
 
I kinda get long Winded don’t I?

I just feel for people that study only in part.
They say weather they believe it or not “This is what I believe and that’s it.
It is much like the people that say the King James is the only true Bible...
There is a whole lot more I could add to this. I will let it go at this.

Peace Brother


 

 
 
 
 


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:07 PM, notaxbill <nota...@gmail.com> wrote:

I know the answer but will get you the scriptures.

Later

BA

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Gary & Elizabeth Anderson <gary...@arkwest.com> wrote:

Just wondering, Bill, what is your take on this translation of Heb. 4:8-11... It is a translation by George M. Lamsa

8--For if Joshua the son of Nun had given them rest, he would not afterward have spoken of another day.

9--It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the sabbath.

10--For he who has entered into his rest also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11--Let us strive therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall like those who were disobedient.

You've mentioned Greed words in another post,,, how do you understand the Greek word "sabbatismos" there in Heb. 4:9?

Gary

At 08:08 PM 6/28/2009, you wrote:

Hey Gary, I never fall asleep. It's because my thoughts on the way to keep the Sabbath is so well known.

 I told Mary I can't keep my mouth shut. I feel very strongly that all things changed not done away with in

Christ.

Fred gave a couple sermons on tithing he feels there are only 2 I think. I don't believe in one at all. I think God gives some

the ability to make loads of money and they should not live like kings here on earth they should share the wealth with the church

that is doing what God wants it do do. But that is another study. We should all give to what and how is part of that study.

We will talk sometime,maybe.Forced giving or forced living is a futile thing indeed.

Love ya guys

Me

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Gary & Elizabeth Anderson <gary...@arkwest.com> wrote:

PS... I'm with you, Bill,,, Strongs is a good tool, but not the epitome all references.  It's just like the different translations of the Bible... some make different areas more clear to our understanding, at this point in time, than others do on different passages.  I don't think ANY "Bible help" should be considered a "Thus Sayeth the Lord" to anyone, since they're all done by men, many of whom have an axe to grind, or bias.  Just my thoughts.

Gary

At 04:02 PM 6/28/2009, you wrote:

Sorry, there was a glitch. This is from Notaxbill.

T.

To mary and all others

notaxbill <nota...@gmail.com> to Theda <theda...@gmail.com >

2:16pm

Hi Mary, I hear preachers in all churches throw the strong Con. around

like that settles it.

After many years of believing them I started really being able (due to

the web and all the free

study helps and many other scholarly helps therein) to do in-depth-

study. I have come to the conclusion the Strongs is

a great tool but you really have to be careful using it as the final

in Greek study.

I hope several of you will study all the words before we discuss this.

I am trying to make a point of how we should study. And that we should

really study. We also should without

prejudice have open discussions but alas that except in places on the

web like this where I have to shut up on

occasions is quite impossible.

Mary in all your years of attending church services have you ever had

a pastor that was really doing in depth

study and would really teach you? I never have. I love the pastor of

the church I attend but the message is always

Sabbath,Holy days,Law and commandments,over and over and over. Ok! I

catch on now,please.

That statement isn't totally true he seems really great in

Revelations. I could listen to him muddle through that from

now on. Please enough already with the Sabbath and the commandments

give it a rest for a little while anyway.

These Greek words I posted are the tip of the iceberg. I would love to

find some truth seekers here in the village.

Most people aren't excited about the word of God you talk to them and

you can see their eye glaze over. But talk

about the stars dancing on tv or fishing, hunting,gardening anything

else and they are so excited.

I probably did not answer your question.Without all the words and

their meanings I can't make a point.

I really want to see what conclusions others come up with if any and

how deep will they  take the few words given.

When you look up the words with the link I posted, at the bottom of

that page it gives you all the places in the Bible

they are used. I had a bunch of fun with this myself. I also thanked

God what a blessing what a great God he is.

Me

On Jun 28, 9:50 am, mary <mary7b...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/frequency.cgi?number=126&book=r ...

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> Hi Bill,

> I looked up the first of the words, aidios and it is translated eternal, everlasting.  I haven't looked up the other but am not sure what you intend to compare this with.

>

> ~~mary

> Romans 8:28

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