Jewish Calendar
Joan Griffith
Just read this:
There is more to this article if you want to see the entire thing.
Apparently there is a controversy about when Passover falls, early or
late, the early being based on a new moon that falls after the March
16 equinox and the late being based on the next new moon after the
March 21 equinox.
Will the Real Equinox Please Stand Up?
In response to the many people who insist that we must wait for the
first sighting of the crescent moon following the Vernal Equinox
(March 21st) before we can declare the Biblical New Year, Nehemia
Gordon .(Karaites) had written an article where he cites the following
sources for determining when the Vernal Equinox should be:
The early Rabbis mention the Vernal Equinox but they did not have a
way of reliably calculating it because they did not know the true
length of the solar year. There were actually two contradictory
opinions about the length of the solar year and both were wrong.
According to Rabbi Samuel the solar year was 365 days 6 hours whereas
Rabbi Ada reckoned the solar year to be 365 days 5 hours 55 minutes
25.4 seconds. The difference between these two values may sound
trivial but they result in the Vernal Equinox falling out on different
days, neither of which is the correct day! For example, this year the
Equinox of Samuel falls out on April 8, 2010 whereas the Equinox of
Ada is March 28, 2010. As already mentioned, the true Vernal Equinox
is March 21, 2010 - 7 days before the Equinox of Ada and 18 days
before the Equinox of Samuel. Which one of these three values did
Moses supposedly use: the Equinox of Ada, the Equinox of Samuel, or
the true astronomical value only worked out in modern times? If this
knowledge was known to Moses then why was it unknown to every other
ancient civilization including the Jews? Did God really intend for us
to wait for the advent of modern astronomy to know the true timing of
the biblical feasts? Or did he set out a simple system that ancient
Israelite farmers could easily follow by looking at their crops as
they grew in the fields? It seems to me this is what the Creator was
talking about when he said: "Observe the Month of the Aviv" in
Deuteronomy 16:1. No need for secret astronomical knowledge; just a
simple way to track the solar cycle relevant to an ancient farming
society.
As a side note, the Vernal Equinox is generally calculated today as a
moment in time not as a day. This year the Vernal Equinox was March 20
at 7:32pm Israel time. In the Hebrew reckoning, the day begins at
sunset and this was well after sunset presumably making March 21 the
day of the Vernal Equinox. But not so fast with this either! The
ancients defined the equinox as the day on which daytime and nighttime
were of equal length as we can see from the following quotation from
the Jerusalem Talmud (Berachot 2c 1:1): "On both the Vernal Equinox
and Autumnal Equinox the day and the night are equal."
So when would that be for observers in the Land of Israel, March 20 or
21 this year? Considering that they did not have accurate clocks in
ancient times, this would be no small feat to figure out, which is why
both Samuel and Ada got it wrong. If you look at
http://www.TimeAndDate.com/ for the day on which the daytime and
nighttime are equal in Jerusalem you get a surprising result: March 16
or 17!
On March 16th there was 11h 59m 12s of daytime and on March 17 there
was 12h 01m 09s. So is the "Biblical" equinox March 16 or 17 based on
day lengths in Jerusalem? Or March 21 as if Moses lived at the
equator? Or March 28 or April 8 based on the ancient values of the
year?
Check the Jerusalem day lengths in March 2010 for yourself:
Did you know about this?? I mean, in 8 or more years of studying
calendar, I knew the equinox was moving to earlier in March, but not
why it was.
Joan
If you love something, set it free. Or break its legs so it can't escape.
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Theda <theda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gary and Elizabeth Anderson have a really nice website with lots of
> recipes for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Here's the link:
> http://www.cei.net/~garyliza/
> Maybe you have some recipes of your own that you'd like to share.
> Thanks, Gary and Elizabeth!
> Theda
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Theda
Yes, I've read that article.
According to USNO the vernal equinox occurred at 1732 UNIVERSAL TIME,
not Jerusalem Time which is UT plus 3 hours.
Pyramids in Egypt and similar structures in South, Central and North
America, Stonehenge in England, also, a sort of cavern in Ireland were
and still are all astronomically precise with the suns rays lined up
and "hitting the mark" on the vernal equinox. Some of these ancient
civilizations may not have had the wheel - or disdained its use - but
they they were amazing astronomers.
As our technology allows us to be more and more accurate - why
shouldn't we be? Speaking "line upon line-ly" we know from Acts 17:30
that God has often "winked" at our ignorance, but as we mature we need
to put immature thinking behind us.
Also, the vernal equinox will occur on March 20 for the next few years
- until 2020 and even longer with one or two exceptions to that for
many years ahead.
As to the month of green ears being the first month of the year - in
its proper sequence, the first month of the year is when "greening"
occurs as opposed to months later in the year which are after the
harvest or in winter. The solar and lunar years begin in spring - not
in the autumn.
The Book of Enoch (please, no offense, Mary) has an interesting
explanation of the "Luminaries" and describes the increasing and
decreasing hours of night and day, even to the point when there are
"nine parts" to the daylight hours and "nine parts" to the night
hours, to make the "eighteen parts" that measured the equivalent of
the twenty-four hour day.
To those of us who will be keeping the Passover after sunset this date
(Sunday, the 28th) I ask God's blessing on you and wish you peace,
happiness and joy. Ditto for the Later-Date-Saints who will be a month
behind you.
Theda
> both Samuel and Ada got it wrong. If you look athttp://www.TimeAndDate.com/for the day on which the daytime and
mary
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No, I'm one of the Later-Date-Saints. But I do see
both groups as "us".
Love you,
Theda
On Mar 28, 4:44 pm, mary <mary7b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Theda,
> Did you say you are keeping Passover tonight?
>
> ~~mary
> Romans 8:28
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Theda <thedahor...@gmail.com>
> > both Samuel and Ada got it wrong. If you look athttp://www.TimeAndDate.com/forthe day on which the daytime and
> > nighttime are equal in Jerusalem you get a surprising result: March 16
> > or 17!
>
> > On March 16th there was 11h 59m 12s of daytime and on March 17 there
> > was 12h 01m 09s. So is the "Biblical" equinox March 16 or 17 based on
> > day lengths in Jerusalem? Or March 21 as if Moses lived at the
> > equator? Or March 28 or April 8 based on the ancient values of the
> > year?
>
> > Check the Jerusalem day lengths in March 2010 for yourself:
>
> >http://www.timeanddate.com/
>
> > Did you know about this?? I mean, in 8 or more years of studying
> > calendar, I knew the equinox was moving to earlier in March, but not
> > why it was.
>
> > Joan
> > If you love something, set it free. Or break its legs so it can't escape.
>
> > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Theda <thedahor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Gary and Elizabeth Anderson have a really nice website with lots of
> > > recipes for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Here's the link:
> > >http://www.cei.net/~garyliza/
> > > Maybe you have some recipes of your own that you'd like to share.
> > > Thanks, Gary and Elizabeth!
> > > Theda
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Joan Griffith
I am all confused! I thougfht I was going to Passover tonite and
nobody was there--I went to the wrong hall! So I guess I will be
taking Passover on the late date after all. Well I guess I will tell
them I could not see to drive, plus it was raining off & on & messing
up my windshield. When /my sugar is high my sight gets blurry. Perhaps
I will be keeping it at home in future, but what a dismal thought.
Maybe God arranged for me to kep the later Passover... I really have
been working hard around the house and not paying attention to dates.
It is cold out--it was really cold last year!
I think that woman, Maria Mercola, is wrong about keeping both
Passovers--but isn't that what happened in the OT? They liked it so
much they kept another week?
Joan
If you love something, set it free. Or break its legs so it can't escape.
mary
Thanks for passing it on. Most of Frank Nelte's articles are right on, but the one you mention leaves off some vital information.
Quote from:
http://www.postponements.com/id408.htm
"The vernal and autumnal equinoxes are signs made by the sun (Genesis 1:14) that mark the turns of the year in spring and autumn. At the times when the sun is crossing the celestial equator day and night are of nearly equal length at all latitudes so we call these dates the `equinoxes'. No part of the earth is hidden from the sun's light or heat on the day of the equinox.
The Latin word, equinox, is not mentioned by that name in the scriptures but Psalms 19:6 describes what an equinox does. (6) “His going forth is from the end of heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.”
The word circuit in this verse is Strong's #8622, the Hebrew word tequwphah or tequphah, tek-oo-faw, from 5362, a revolution, i.e. (of the sun) course, (of time) lapse:-- circuit, come about, end. The Hebrew word for heat in this verse is Strong's #2535, chammah, khqm-maw', from 2525; heat; by implication the sun:-- heat, sun.
As the sun makes its circuit (across the equator) there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. A good description of what an equinox does. In Exodus 34:22, this same Hebrew word, tequphah, #8622, indicates that the autumnal equinox marks the year's end or turn of the year, referring to the last part of the year. (22) “And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's “end,” (Strong's #8622). Jay P. Green's Interlinear Bible translates the word end in this verse as the year's “turn.”
The appointed time of Passover, the 14th day of the first month, can fall on or after the date of the turn or vernal equinox (about March 21st). The vernal equinox, determines the first day of spring and the beginning of the solar or tropical year, not God's year. The year's end turn or autumnal equinox (about September 22nd), usually occurs during or before the Feast of Tabernacles, in the seventh month."
Other research at postponement.com shows that the Holy Days are between the "turns". If one were to go with Nelte's point of view, then the fall Holy Days would sometimes fall into winter.
When I kept the Jew's calendar I remember Passover in a snow storm and another time the Feast of Tabernacles had a foot of snow to deal with. (It was because of the postponements.)
But, if the New Moon closest to the "turn" is used then Passover is in it's season (Spring) and FOT is at the other "turn" just like in scripture.
Thanks again for the email.
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Pat
I never saw that term used for that before, does that mean you're
keeping it on the 29th?
I was thinking about this and there are people keeping Passover on 4
days in a row:
Nissan 14 by the dark moon, the 28th
Nissan 15 by the dark moon, the 29th
Nissan 14 by the first visible light, the 30th, and
Nissan 15 by the first visible light, the 31st.
The Jews themselves will cover all 4 days because some of them keep
two days. The calculated calender Jews will do the first two evenings,
and then the Karaite Jews will do the second two evenings. So far I
know of Christians observing it the evenings of the 28th and the
30th.
Then other Christians will observe Maunday Thursday, Good Friday, and
Easter. That's a lot of division, but we all landed in the same week
this year. As far as I know.
Pat
> > > both Samuel and Ada got it wrong. If you look athttp://www.TimeAndDate.com/fortheday on which the daytime and
Joan Griffith
full until last night. There seem to be about 3 days for each moon
phase, so full moon is. In general. But then LCG held Passover when
Moon was 98% full. That troubles me... since I can count backward to
Day 1 anyhow and not get 14 days fully come.. Are they saying the moon
was full in Jerusalem? My problem with that is that it is not the time
when the law goes forth from Jerusalem. Look at what is happening
there now, that the head of the country gets so disrespected by Obama.
Nor is there religious leadership from Jerusalem. When Christ returns,
then he will inform us, but he sure is not there now!
I have been having all sorts of cognitive problems & blame it on high
blood sugar (Theda, I'm wakin up with sugar level of 160s to low
190s). After I messed up going to Passover (went to wrong place) and
last night my sight was blurry, so missed NTBMO... and today's holy
day... Is it me or did God interfere so I would keep the proper
Passover? As it is, I'm promised the "second Passover." But I still
have to worry about driving at night.
I'm not "with" oh what's his name, the guy in Missouri who puts out a
rich shiny magazine, James something (I think...) but he did say one
thing that sticks in my mind. If God (or anyone else) invites you to
his party, and he lays out the dates (in scripture), what happens if
you show up on the wrong date?
So... is it important, or not, and if it is... well, the churches have
all taken upon themselves to announce holy days as per when and if
they want them to happen, so you can hardly trust anybody.
A couple of years ago, one of my friends wanted me to ask for help
from the church, and so I did, not actually intending to go, because
last time I went I was so tired I stayed in bed & I can do that at
home. llBut I asked, just to get her off my case. The minister said
something to the effect that, You are not paying your tithes to LCG,
and you are sinning, and of course we won't fund your holiday at the
feast. If you had been giving something... Well, he does not know what
i did with my tithes... and I didn't tell him. I figure LCG gets
plenty of $$ without my paltry $$. For a minute I felt like the widow
with the mite being told by a priest, go get another job so you can
give more; I've known people who literally did that .And no, I do not
feel LCG is THE one true church, sorry about that, guys. I did have a
good job, but I have taken care of myself all these years and took no
money from the church. I suppose I could give enough to cover my
share of hall rental??
I understand Tekufah, What I don't understand is why I keep getting
confused & what will happen to me if I get Alzheimers... I don't know
if I will, but my grandmother * my mother both feared it, and they did
and said some strange things from time to time. But till death, they
were both in their right minds, so I will just blame diabetes & hope
God will heal me. Years ago, maybe 20 or so, a dear friend lost her
husband and her mind and ended up locked up in the local mental
hospital during the fall holy days, including Atonement. Now, God no
doubt excuses something like that, but you know there is nobody who
will help you remember holy days in such a place. My friend never
talked about it. She just put it all behind her (I can't imagine how!)
and married again; he died two years ago and she just died last year.
Joan
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mary
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Theda
Do you mean the term "Later-date-saints"? It's just a pun. We "later-
daters" will (some of us) will have Passover after sunset on April 27,
NTBMO after sunset on April 28, with 1st day of UB on April 29th. FOT
will be Oct. 22nd - Oct 28th, with the LGD on Oct 29.
Joan, does that help you with timing the "after the harvest" holy
days? The files for the Ten Commandments Calendar 2010 are available
to you. Look under "FILES".
My local group uses the traditional dates so had Passove after sunset
on Sunday, March 28, NTBMO on March 29, and Feast of UB March 30 -
April 5.
The Jewish Passover began March 30. They don't actually keep the
Lord's Passover but keep the Feast of UB, calling it the Passover
week.
The traditional COG date for Pentecost is May 23. The astronomy based
date (lunar-solar) for us 'later-daters' is June 20 which is also the
date of the summer solstice.
theda
> > > > both Samuel and Ada got it wrong. If you look athttp://www.TimeAndDate.com/forthedayon which the daytime and
Theda
The fullness of the moon is not the criterion for the timing of
Passover. It just usually happens that way because the moon cycle
begins at the conjunction when the old moon phase ends and the new
phase begins. Next month, the true (in my opinion) 1st month (moonth)
of the solar year occurs at 1220 UT on April 14, well before sunset,
making that sunset the eve of the 1st day of Beginning of Months.The
first full day is April 15. The full moon is scheduled for 1218 UT on
April 28th which converts to 7:18 a.m. CDT. So that the Lord's
Passover (on the 27th after sunset - the eve of the 14th) and the
NTBMO (on April 28th) will share a full moon. The 27th will have a
moon approaching full illumination and the 28th will have a moon
beginning its decrease from full illumination.
The difference in the per cent of illumination of the moons in March
and April may be due to the new moon in March being the 13th moon, the
last moon of winter. The first new moon after the equinox on March 20,
occurs April 14.
The full harvest moon occurs 6 hours after the autumnal equinox on
September 23 which will be the 15th day of the 6th month but the
traditionalists will count that as the 7th month and the beginning of
FOT. The 15th day of the 7th moonth occurs on Oct. 22.
I agree with you that there is nothing holy about Jerusalem now. NEW
Jerusalem will be entirely different! At this point our bodies are the
temple of God and where two or three of us gather in His name - He's
there too!
Revelation 11:8 KJV "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of
the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where
also our Lord was crucified".
I'm looking forward to the Last Great Day, the 8th "day" after seven
thousand years of this generation of man, when "there will be time no
longer"! In the regeneration of man ALL CALENDARS WILL BE OBSOLETE!
As for "showing up on the wrong date", well it's just one more thing
that God "winks at", as long as we are doing the best we know how. We
don't have perfect understanding yet but in time we will.
There is a way to have a Passover service at home with just you and
the Lord and your guardian angels. Ideally, we should meet with like-
minded brethren, especially for the foot washing ceremony. But, it's
not always possible. Like you, I no longer trust myself to drive at
night. Cataracts and possibly glaucoma coming on, blurred vision which
may be a medicine side effect, tri-focals, Whatever the cause, the end
result is that it's dangerous for me and anyone else who has to share
the street with me.
Remember
But thou, when thou prayest , enter into thy closet, and when thou
hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy
Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (Matthew 6:6).
If it's true, and I think it is, that under the new covenant (same law
but new agreement about the law) what we think is as binding as our
actions. If we dwell on evil then we are guilty of evil. It should
also be that the "good" thoughts bear as much weight as evil thoughts.
In your mind, go through the whole ceremony and visualize washing the
feet of all the "saints" you know. Then visualize them ministering to
you. Take a bite of unleavened bread and a sip of wine while reading
the pertinent scriptures. Ask the Lord for His blessing on your
sincere efforts. Come Passover, keep me in mind. My feet need washing
too!
I understand and sympathize with you about blurred vision and
hyperglycemia and feeling disoriented sometimes. But I'm just happy if
my fasting blood sugar is under 200. It's such an unfair disease with
high blood sugar even before you've "broken your fast". I've noticed
that the longer I go without breakfast the higher the reading. It
keeps climbing until I get my insulin and then, of course, I have to
eat something. That's the frustrating "dawn phenomenon" that is
common to many diabetics.
I'm doing better keeping it under control now. The other end of the
spectrum when blood sugar "bottoms out" is even worse. Sometimes I
actually forget to eat. NEVER though THAT would happen but it does.
Sometimes just a cracker will get me steady again until I can find
real food. Keep something in the car with you that you can reach in a
hurry, like hard candies or glucose tabs and follow up with protein.
That was a bad experience with the church that wouldn't help you
because you had not "paid your dues". But, ya know, I think we are
missing something with the really big feast sites and the condos, etc.
You and I are not good candidates for camping out all week but I've
had a few backyard Feasts that were memorable with just the Lord, a
few angels, and me.. We already understand the lesson of living in
temporary dwelling places. Our "tents" are getting creaky from old
age. We will soon "put off this my tabernacle". In the same way we use
"visualization" to enhance a Passover service in our "closets", we can
sit outside under the stars, or on the porch if it's raining, Even if
we don't have a physical proximity to other Feasters we can be very
close in the Spirit which transcends time and space.
And, too, we are never really alone.
Buck up, don't worry about tomorrow or old age. All we have is today.
Let us be glad and rejoice in it.
Theda
Theda
I've just uploaded two files that should interest you, and
I hope will interest everyone else.
One of them is titled, "Good Questions". and they are
your good questions from a year or two or three ago.
They are still good questions and I thank you for giving
me opportunity to answer them.
The other file is from the Book of Jubilees where I found
early history of annual feast days.
Jubilees (dictated by the Angel of the Presence to Moses)
also mentions the new moon sabbaths.
Here's the link to Jubilees:
http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/jubilees/4.htm
Theda
On Mar 28, 2:32 am, Joan Griffith <despi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> both Samuel and Ada got it wrong. If you look athttp://www.TimeAndDate.com/for the day on which the daytime and