Ezekiel 28 and the Prince and/or King of Tyrus

[Theda]

Hello, Group,
There has not been much activity here for a while. I hope all of you
are well.
I've been studying Ezekiel 28 and would like to have someone else's
take on that particular chapter. Can you help me?
Theda

[bill acord]

Hi Theda, You have probably already caught this in your study.

Difference in the first set against the governor, prince, ruler, Hebrew scholars usually correctly call it governor. This pertains to a man.

The next one when it starts again it is the Hebrew word for KING. I believe in this case Satan. At that time in the Old Testament he was the king of this whole world.

Christ told his disciples he had overcome the world. (Good news huh?)

 

   ¹⁸ By your many sins and dishonest trade 
       you have desecrated your sanctuaries. 
       So I made a fire come out from you, 
       and it consumed you, 
       and I reduced you to ashes on the ground 
       in the sight of all who were watching.

 ¹⁹ All the nations who knew you 
       are appalled at you; 
       you have come to a horrible end 
       and will be no more.' "

This sounds like the end of Satan in a form shape.

After that he was energy spirit. He could enter into people and take them over, Judas Iscariot etc.

Also (now this is just me) it sounds as though this is pre-Adam age.

If you will study the word foundation of the world you will find it means disruption of the world. If this is true then it gives you a little peek into the world before the disruption.

Not nearly enough for us to draw any major conclusions. 

May God Bless America

 

   Bill acord (notaxbill)

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In a message dated 7/14/2010 4:22:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, theda...@gmail.com writes:

I've been studying Ezekiel 28 and would like to have someone else's
take on that particular chapter. Can you help me?

Theda,

I will have to read it and get back to you.

John

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In a message dated 7/14/2010 4:22:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, theda...@gmail.com writes:

I've been studying Ezekiel 28 and would like to have someone else's
take on that particular chapter. Can you help me?
Theda

Theda,

From what I read there are a number of individuals involved in different prophetic announcements from God. Some are men and one is a created spirit being. It says that the angel will be destroyed and be ashes.

That is something I have wondered about. Can spirit beings die?

I could assume that God would not create anything that He could not destroy. I just don't know.

John

[Theda Horton]

Thanks, Bill and John, for your responses.

I, too, think that spirit doesn't die...but it can be changed to physical flesh and blood, the converse of the proper order for mankind. That's "demotion" in a big way! The physical body can be destroyed without the hope or need of resurrection.

Apparently "translation" from spirit to flesh then back to spirit is what the Lord experienced for Himself. Enoch was "translated" from flesh to spirit, as is the hope for all of us as we are promised at the Lord's return, "as in the twinkling of an eye".. I know there's controversy about that but it doesn't matter. Further, I've come to believe that the Two Witnesses: the "two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth" (Rev 11:14) are spirit beings, angels temporarily "translated" to flesh and blood so that they may be killed and lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem as a sign. Like the Lord, their immortality will be restored as they are resurrected to spirit.

What strikes me is the resemblance of the Prince (a man) of Tyrus and the King (Lucifer/Satan) of Tyrus to the Son of Perdition (a man) and That Wicked (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8)

 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled , neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand . 

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [Does this sound like the Prince of Tyrus?]

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:  

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Since these two are specifically named as the Prince and the King of Tyrus (Tyre, off the coast of Lebanon) can we look for the Son of Perdition (commonly identified by the misnomer "Antichrist") to arise from that area? Supported by an evil spirit King? 

Are the Son of Perdition and That Wicked one and the same? Or two different entities?

What do you think?

Theda

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[mary]

What do I think?   God can bring 'em in and God can take 'em out.   And Revelation is a wonderful glimpse of things as seen in the spiritual realm that God allows us.  It seems that most spiritual things not pertaining to our personal salvation are restricted so to keep us from deception and misunderstandings since that "place" of where God dwells revealed to John through Jesus Christ is where the space-time continuum is absent.    In the revelation we are as little children who hear things too far above our understanding and when we put those glimpses in our reference points it is probaby amusing to God, just as when our children say things that are sort of right but not exactly.      ~~mary Romans 8:28   --- On Fri, 7/16/10, Theda Horton <theda...@gmail.com> wrote: