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Although the Earth, our sun, our moon, our solar system, our galaxie & the universe was created billions of years sgo, it was not until the fourth day of the re-creation week approximately six thousand years ago that God created the dimension of time. His plan called for a beginning & end which would be marked by a calendar & a watch that He established in the sky on the fourth day by ordaining or commissioning the sun & moon to mark time by their events that would be for signs & seasons. The events of the greater light (sun) mark & divide days & years (Genesis 1:14). The events of the lesser light (moon) mark or signal a new moon or new month. Astronomers (that don't have any axe to grind) say a new moon is just the opposite of a full moon.  A full moon is as illuminated as any moon can be; a new moon has zero % illumination. A total solar eclipse can only occur at the conjunction of the new moon. A total solar eclipse is one & the same as a conjunction of the new moon. It is the event that occurs that marks & signals the first day of a new month when the sun appears black as the moon passes between the sun & the Earth.
A crescent moon has long been an ancient pagan symbol or icon & in more recent times it is a symbol of Islam. That is why God gave us a dark moon,which is a new moon, to go by because He doesn't want us having icons & symbols---especially ones the heathen sun/moon/star worshippers were sure to go by. A dark/new moon cannot become a symbol or icon.  There is a scripture that proves the new moon is the sign, the event in the heavens that marks the 1st day of the month---& that sign, that event is the conjunction when the sun is black. REV. 6:12-17 is the description of a total solar eclipse. The heavenly sign God gave to mark/signal the 1st day of every month is a new moon & this scripture shows that what is occuring on the day of Christ's return to Earth on the Feast of Trumpets---the 1st day of the 7th month---the 7th new moon---is a TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE which can only happen on a new moon. The sun becomes BLACK at the CONJUNCTION. Christ does not return on the day of the crescent moon but rather at the spectacular EVENT & SIGN in the heavens that it is the 7th new moon, the 1st day of the 7th month, the day of the conjunction, the FEAST OF TRUMPETS, the day of Jesus' 2nd coming.  The great earthquake (verse 12) is the worldwide earthquake that many prophecys show happens "at His presence" (coming).
Zech 14:4-7, Haggai 2:6,7, Ezek. 38:20.
A total solar eclipse is a great & spectacular event that happens to the whole Earth at the same time even though it can only be viewed by those on the side of the Earth facing the sun & moon at the time of conjunction.The Jews were keeping the holy days at the right time (by God's calendar-in-the-sky) at the time of Christ on Earth at His 1st coming because He kept the holy days at the time they all did & had no disagreement with them. The Hebrew calendar was not corrupted until the fourth century after Christ. It is now a matter of history that the Jewish rabbi Hillel 2 devised a mathematical system that instituted "postponements" for convenience. The holy days are "postponed" a day or sometimes two to make them occur at more convenient times as typically in this year of 2009 when postponing the Feast of 
Trumpets one day now requires the observance of only three holy days instead of six as they "double up" Trumpets, first day of Tabernacles, & Last Great Day with the weekly Sabbaths. It must not be a salvation issue however, because Matthew 24:40,41 shows some out working in the fields or grinding at the mill but the angels come & gather them up to meet the returning Jesus (verse 30,31) in spite of the fact they were not observing the Feast of Trumpets on the right day but instead working at their occupation.    
   

[schi...@northlink.com]

Depending on one's location on the planet, and depending on position of
the moon (it swings through a 19 year cycle the physical location on the
horizon changing month to month in the cycle), there can be as much as 48
hours of darkness (no moon light).

Question: If someone uses a dark moon to set dates, which of those two
days of dark moon should be used?

Same question for establishing the annual sabbaths ..... which day?

There is a problem using a moon that can't be seen to set dates. This is
why we use the first light sliver to begin each month, first light seen
here, not in Australia, Tokyo, New York or Jerusalem. Using first visible
sliver light eliminates all guesswork. There is no coin flipping, no
arguments as to 'when'.

Obviously, timing for the first light sliver will be different depending
on one's location (International Dateline and N/S hemispheres of the
planet). A new moon sliver might be seen in Hawaii the evening of the
20th of a month, yet only a few hundred miles west across the Date Line it
is the evening of the 21st day.

This date situation has over the years put a lot of people in a quandary.
They can't get it out of their minds that all MUST use a same day date (on
the Western calendar).

Note: God never said humans everywhere on the planet all had to be on the
same day date. (You are correct, Pat.) Some humans decided that all had
to be on the same date.

If God agrees or disagrees with such an idea I do not know. Whether God
agrees is not the point. Worshipers were told to 'observe' new moons and
sabbaths. 'Observe' as used in Scripture doesn't necessarily mean 'to
see'. It means hedge about, guard; attend to, take heed, mark, preserve,
regard.

Yes, we do LOOK for the first light sliver to SEE it, but only for marking
its appearance so we are able to 'observe' what is commanded.

One year we barely saw the new sliver light identifying Day of Trumpets
and the start of counting to Atonement and FOT. Friends in Texas could
not 'see' a new sliver that same evening. The visible curve was south of
them in Old Mexico and it barely came north enough for us to see it!
While that year they used the same calendar dates as did we, from our
point of view they started the month one day early because first visual
moon light in their location did not come until the next evening.

So what? Did that make a difference? No. I believe all had a great time
at the FOT that year (as always). No one made us a judge of our brothers
and sisters in God. Everyone does what they understand, what they have
personally researched. We all are responsible before God to give answer
for actions and beliefs. God has the final word.

Regards,
Bob and Marty Schimmel

[Pat]

Hi,

Thanks for your patience and explanations, this is very new to me, and
I have another question.

If I am convicted that new moon should be called by the first visible
sliver, are they consistent and predictable so that I can then rely on
NOAA's information and I don't need to out out and see it for myself?
From what I've read, it seems that at times the Jews would wait until
they could actually see it, sometimes delaying for days. But if it's
consistent and predictable, then couldn't counting have been used
then, and almanacs, NOAA, and the like be used now? Aren't the new
moons always 29.xxx days apart so their calculation can now be
mathematical or formulaic?

Thanks,

Pat

[Theda]

We can, with the help of various observatories, be very accurate
about
the beginning and ending of the moon cycle. We should be observing
them, if only to keep track of the number of moons in order to count
to the Lord's feast days. The first slender crescent is astonishingly
beautiful - but what moon phase isn't?

USNO offers this data.
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonFraction.php

They also offer graphics of the moon's different phases:
moon phase graphics http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/moon_phases.php
Quotes from that site:
"Following waning crescent is New Moon, beginning a repetition of the
complete phase cycle of 29.5 days average duration."
"The first time that the thin waxing crescent Moon is visible after
New Moon (low in the evening sky just after sunset) marks the
beginning of a month in the Islamic Calendar - see the FAQ Crescent
Moon Visibility and the Islamic Calendar."

My understanding is that the first slender crescent is the beginning
of the first quarter. The new moon (conjunction) is the exact
opposite of the full moon. The new moon is dark, the full moon is
fully illuminated.
The new moon conjunction will be preceded by the thin sliver of a
waning crescent and will be followed by a thin sliver of the waxing
crescent. It's as if that dark period is highlighted by lunar
parentheses. ( * ) A heavenly sign? The old moon ends and the new
moon
begins right in the middle of the dark period.

This month, September 2009, according to USNO -
Fraction of the Moon Illuminated at midnight:
Sept. 19 - 0.00
Sept. 20 - 0.02
Sept. 21 - 0.07

We each have the obligation to study and make our own decisions.
Regardless of of our conclusions, the Lord still loves us. It's not a
sin if we don't have perfect understanding. We cannot allow ourselves
to judge others or to be judged except by the Lord.

Theda

[schi...@northlink.com]

Hi Pat,

Moon months are 29-1/2 days long, give or take. The moon orbits around
the earth, however its orbit is not perfectly circular. The sun's
distance from the earth (with moon) also is not circular. It is
elliptical. Sometimes we are closer to the sun, sometimes further away.

The sun's gravity acts upon the moon (besides the earth's) and the moon
slows or speeds up in orbit depending how close or far it is in relation
to the sun.

Actually, the sun itself is not stationary. It travels in an obit of
sorts 'rocking' back and forth, basically a short tight ellipse. All
these wobbles and slow-downs and speed-ups are the reason for the 'give or
take' length of a lunar month.

Some Jewish groups use conjunction (molad) to begin their calendar months.
Conjunction is when earth, moon and sun are in alignment. Since the
earth is larger, it blocks sunlight from hitting the moon's surface at
this time and that explains why the moon is dark.

Some Jewish groups count two days of darkness as the beginning of their
new month. (Someone mentioned this in an earlier comment.) Frankly, I'm
at a loss to understand how they determine which 24-hour period to use.

Some Jewish groups still use visible sightings of new crescent light. But
if I understand correctly, those sightings depend on light being seen in
Jerusalem only. Some Christ-believing folks subscribed to this discussion
group also follow the same Jerusalem visible method.

I'm sure there are other different or combinations of ways not mentioned.

To answer your specific question, I would say if NOAA's information is
specific to your location, then yes. However, because we use the first
visible moon sliver (my wife and I), if the NOAA data only notes the time
when first new sliver light becomes visible SOMEWHERE on the earth, then
the answer is no. While sunlight might finally again reach the moon as
the moon moves out of the earth's shadow and can be seen, where in the
world is that first light visible? It might first be seen from New
Zealand, or New York City, or LA, etc., etc. not your backyard. Once
again, remember we use local visible light sighting because it eliminates
all questions about when the moon is 'new'.

Yes, the moon can be mathematically calculated. If you have the time and
formulas, you can do it youeself. That's basically how Jews figure the
timing of the conjunction.

But they also 'need' to do the math because they have to move the starting
date of some months based on a complicated set of rules they have
established to satisfy their own traditions. Example: There can never be
two sabbaths in a row (weekly plus annual, or annual plus weekly). Even
by following dark light, sometimes two sabbaths fall in a row and that is
when Jewish calendar postponements and advancements come into
play......but that is a different subject.

No, we don't go outside all the time looking for the moon. Actually,
knowing when there is a new moon is only necessary to begin each biblical
calendar year in the Spring, and in the Fall for the day of the Feast of
Trumpets (annual sabbath). Both of these new moons begin a counting of
days and weeks that determine other biblical events during the year.
Mostly we use the computer software pgm I previously mentioned having. It
does all the math for us based on latitude and longitude.

Hope you find this information useful.

Regards,
Bob and Marty Schimmel

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[Pat]

Hi,

Thank you everyone for all the info. That's a lot to think about, and
I didn't know that the Jews differ in what they do. The fact that
Sabbath Keepers are doing it differently is one thing to think about,
and which way do I think I should do it is another.

Thanks very much,

Pat

[Pat]

I first learned about the annual holy days in 1976, and now 33 years
later I've learned something new! For several years now I've been
aware that people were keeping the Feast of Tabernacles on slightly
different days, but I've only now looked into why that is. I had heard
a very little about "postponements" before, and I didn't really
understand what that meant, but there is also much more to it!

I didn't know that the Jews today have two different calendars! They
always differ as to the first day of the months, and they sometimes
differ as to the first month of the year. Therefore, the holy days
will always differ by one or two days, and sometimes by a month!

Some of you may know this already, but for any who don't, like I
didn't, here's what I found.

All the Jews did it the same way from the time of Moses, through the
time of Christ, and up until what has come to be called Hillel II in
the Jewish year 4119, which would be about 358 AD. Long story short,
at that time the Sanhedrin was going to be disbanded, therefore they
would no longer be able to officially "call" the new moons. In those
times, 2 witnesses had to see the first visible light of the new moon
and report it to the Sanhedrin, the group of 70 Rabbis. They would
question them, and when satisfied they'd declare the new moon, the
first day of the month, and they had a system for making that
announcement. So what would they do when they no longer had the
Sanhedrin to do this? They decided to pre-calculate the months and
years out until the Jewish year 6000 (it's currently 5770). But they
did much more than that.

The Rabbis decided to add postponements, so that annual holy days
couldn't fall on certain days of the week. The purpose was that they
didn't want an annual holy day and the weekly Sabbath to be back to
back, two days in a row. But what I didn't know was that they also
switched from starting a new month on the first visible light of the
moon, to the totally dark moon, the conjunction. However, today they
practice sighting the first visible light of the new crescent because
they will go back to using that as the first day of the month when
they have a temple again! (See the Sanhedrin link below.)

The majority of the Jews, the Orthodox and Conservative Jews today,
accepted the Rabbinical changes and adopted what is called the
Calculated Calendar, or Hillel II after the Rabbi who invented it. A
small minority of Jews, that came to be called the Karaite Jews,
rejected the changes. They did not accept that the Rabbis had the
authority to make changes to what God prescribed in the Law of Moses,
the written law, aka the Torah. They rejected the idea that the
Rabbi's decisions, the "oral law", have the same weight as the Law of
Moses, the written law. I have to say I agree with them, and I want to
go by what God said in the book of Exodus without the modifications of
men. Here's a link to an explanation of how the Karaite Jews,
"Scripturalists", came to be called that:
http://www.karaite-korner.org/history.shtml

So today there are two different calendars, the calculated calendar
which is the one everyone is familiar with, and the Sacred Calendar,
which the Karaites still continue to follow, unchanged from the time
of Moses. Both sides agree on how it was done from the time of Moses,
through the time of Christ, and until the Sanhedrin was disbanded in
the 4th century AD, and that is how the Karaite Jews continue to do it
to this day.

Both calendars have a pattern and cycle. The calculated calendar's
pattern is very complicated. The Sacred Calendar's pattern is much
simpler. It's based on the first visible light of the new moon as the
first day of the month, and the month in which barley will be ripe for
the Wave Sheaf offering is the first month of the year. They
understand the pattern and can know the dates in advance, yet they
still check the moon and the barley to be sure.

It is known and admitted that the calculated calendar now needs
adjustment, or they'll be keeping the holy days in the wrong seasons.
That wouldn't happen with the Sacred Calendar. Here' a link where the
current Sanhedrin discusses that:

http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php/Committee_concerning_the_fixing_of_the_Calendar

Here's a link to the Karaite Jews calendar:

http://www.karaite-korner.org/holiday_dates.shtml

I wanted to know how they did it in the time of Moses and the time of
Christ, and there is no discrepancy about what that was, both sides
agree. And the Karaite Jews continue to do it that way, so I can look
to them for the dates. There are also websites that tell when the
first visible light of new moon will be visible in different parts of
the world. Islam uses the first visible light as their new moon, so
this information is in much demand and is available.

Some say the spring equinox can be used to identify the first month of
the year, and I haven't yet looked into whether that always agrees
with the ripening of the barley in Jerusalem, so I'm not sure about
that yet. It looks to me like God intended the ripening of the
firstfruits for the Wave Sheaf offering to be in the first month, so
I'd go by that. (Lev 23) The barley is the first to ripen, and Abib,
the name of the first month according to God, means barley.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H24&t=KJV
If the equinox agrees with that, that would seem to make sense because
the Sacred Calendar is solar-lunar. You can't do the wave sheaf
offering after the Passover (as per Lev 23) if the firstfruits aren't
ready yet, so the ripening of the firstfruits certainly seems to be
the overriding factor.

The curious thing though is that I'm not sure the Karaite calendar
exactly agrees with the calendar prescribed in the Book of Enoch, but
I think the annual holy days would come out on the same days anyway.
In the Book of Enoch, every year should be 365 days, and the fact that
the year will be 11 days off is acknowledged. That isn't exactly how
the Karaite calendar works, years have different numbers of days
depending on whether there are 12 or 13 months. However, I believe
both ways would come out to the same first days of the months, and the
same first days of the years, because they go by the same things for
that. So I'm switching to following the Karaite's calendar instead of
the Rabbinical calculated calendar with it's changed first day of the
month, and postponements of annual Sabbaths. Only God can declare holy
time, I don't accept that Rabbis had the authority to change and
override what God declared. Interestingly, the Book of Enoch says that
God's people will go astray as to the months, and years, and holy
time, and will treat common time as holy, and holy time as common. Let
God be true and every man a liar, that is what has happened.

Here's a link to the Book of Enoch online, all on one page so it's
easily searchable:

http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/thebookofenoch.htm

I also find it interesting to see that of the groups who have been
matching the Karaite's calendar, most of them are from the Sacred
Names groups. I wanted to trace the history of all the groups that
currently keep the weekly and or annual sabbaths to see if they all
went back to the same source. For the annual holy days, they do. Both
Clarence O. Dodd and Herbert Armstrong were members of the Church of
God Seventh Day. In 1928, Clarence Dodd started teaching the annual
sabbaths. The next year he started teaching Sacred Names. A few years
later, the COG Seventh day split into several pieces. One of those
pieces was Clarence Dodd's group who continued to teach the annual
holy days and Sacred Names. Another piece was Herbert Armstrong and
what became the Radio Church of God. He held to the annual Sabbaths,
but rejected the Sacred Name doctrine, and he disagreed with Dodd's
dates for the annual holy days. Dodd did as the Karaite Jews, and HWA
followed the calculated calendar. There is a website that has a large
percentage of everything Mr. Armstrong ever wrote, and you can search
the archives for "Dodd" and see what he said about these things.
http://www.herbertarmstrong.org/
Mr. Armstrong said he kept the annual sabbaths alone for 7 years
before he understood what they meant. But that didn't mean there
wasn't anyone else keeping them at the time, it's just that due to the
differences in doctrine, he didn't join with Dodd's group to keep
them. So we all have the common roots of the Church of God Seventh
day, that's where keeping the annual Sabbaths originated in our time.
You can read about this in the History of the True Church by Clarence
O. Dodd, and A. Dugger, which is online, and also in the history of
the Sacred Name movement. Both can be found on this website, which has
a lot of stuff that looks interesting:

http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/

In Christian love,

Pat

[schi...@northlink.com]

Just keep in mind that the calendar the Jews keep, whatever the group,
will average being tampered with 43% of the time each year.

This year they advanced keeping the Fall Feast days by 24 hours. They
have the rule that two Sabbaths can not be together. For those who kept
the visible new moon as first day of the 7th month , for them Sunday would
have been the annual HD (first day of FOT). The Jews wouldn't allow that.
They used Saturday as annual HD and start of FOT.

From God's point of view, a Saturday Sabbath had its preparation day on
Friday. With Sunday the annual Sabbath, one is allowed to cook and
prepare and engage in necessities. So two Sabbaths in a row is no
problem.
\

Bob Schimmel

[Theda]

Hi, Bob and Marty, and Everyone
I trust you had a joyful Feast of Tabernacles. Sure would like to have
a Feast report from you.
You asked: "If someone uses a dark moon to set dates, which of those

two days of dark moon should be used?"

I use the time of the conjunction which should be right in the middle
of the two crescents. When one moon ends, the new one begins. We can
split hairs now as to the timing; something that we couldn't do not so
long ago.
Acts 17:30 presents a principle that can be applied not only within
that context but elsewhere when out knowledge or ability is limited,
further convincing me that this is not a salvation issue. "And the
times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men
every where to repent:". He only asks that we do the best we can while
striving for perfection.
Hebrews 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical
priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further
need was there that another priest should rise after the order of
Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?"... another
"line upon line".
Having the ability to be more precise - is there any reason we
shouldn't? Tradition is good until it becomes a detriment to progress
into all Truth. Many of us were raised with worldly traditions of
which we have since repented, replacing them with traditions that more
closely represent God's plan for us. As the Holy Spirit leads us into
all truth can we not expect some fine tuning, tweaking us into a
closer synchronization with His timing?
Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in
heaven is perfect."
Theda

[Theda]

Hi, Pat,
That's an excellent report! You've done your homework!
But let me pose a question: Would the barley be there without the
proper timing of the sun and the moon? Do the sun and moon depend on
the barley or is it the other way around?
What are you going to do with the barley? The sheaf of barley was cut
off from the earth and waved toward heaven: a prophecy that was
fulfilled by the Christ when He was cut off from the earth and lifted
up. Another wave sheaf offering would be repudiating the sacrifice of
the Son of man as the First of the First Fruits even as another
sacrificial lamb would be denying the once for all time sacrifice of
the Lamb of God.
Nevertheless, your history is excellent!
Theda

> http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php/Committee_concerning_the_fix...

>
> Here's a link to the Karaite Jews calendar:
>
> http://www.karaite-korner.org/holiday_dates.shtml
>
> I wanted to know how they did it in the time of Moses and the time of
> Christ, and there is no discrepancy about what that was, both sides
> agree. And the Karaite Jews continue to do it that way, so I can look
> to them for the dates. There are also websites that tell when the
> first visible light of new moon will be visible in different parts of
> the world. Islam uses the first visible light as their new moon, so
> this information is in much demand and is available.
>
> Some say the spring equinox can be used to identify the first month of
> the year, and I haven't yet looked into whether that always agrees
> with the ripening of the barley in Jerusalem, so I'm not sure about
> that yet. It looks to me like God intended the ripening of the
> firstfruits for the Wave Sheaf offering to be in the first month, so
> I'd go by that. (Lev 23) The barley is the first to ripen, and Abib,

> the name of the first month according to God, means barley.http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H24&t...

> the archives for "Dodd" and see what he said about these things.http://www.herbertarmstrong.org/

> ...
>
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[Pat]

Hi Theda,

I agree with you, I don't mean we should wave a sheaf of barley
firstfruits today. Jesus is the NT wave sheaf offering, the Firstfruit
of those who will be raised from the dead. He even was "waved" to be
accepted - ascended to the Father - on the prescribed day of the week
for the wave sheaf offering, the "morrow after the Sabbath" aka the
first day of the week.

What I meant about the need to check to see if the barley will be ripe
is that in the solar-lunar calendar, some years have 12 months and
some have 13. The way to know when to add the extra month is if the
barley (abib) wouldn't be ripe in the first month if you didn't. I
believe there is a pattern to it, I think it would be every 3rd year.
But if someone hadn't been keeping records, all they need is the moon
and the barley crop to know both the first day of the month and the
first month of the year. That way you can observe the days God
declared as holy, and you don't have to be dependent on a Sanhedrin to
figure it out and declare it for you.

I believe the patten would be to add the extra month every 3rd year
because 12 lunar months and the solar year differ by 11 days. By
adding the extra month every 3 years you would put the solar and lunar
months back in sync. The book of Enoch gives specifics about this, but
that's the general overview. A shepherd on his own out in a far-flung
pasture could know the holy days by the moon and the barley.


In case the wave sheaf offering is new to someone, here are
references:

Lev 23: 1-21 - the wave sheaf offering of the firstfruits commanded to
be done on "the morrow after the Sabbath" (the first day of the week)
Deut 16:1 - Passover is in the first month, which God named Abib,
which means barley.
I Cor 15: 20-23 - Christ is the Firstfruit of those who will be raised
from the dead
John 20: 1, 14, 17, 19, - Jesus rose on the first day of the week, the
"morrow after the Sabbath", and Mary Magdaline couldn't touch him yet
because he hadn't yet risen to the Father.
Mark 16: 1-2, 9 - Jesus rose on the first day of the week,
Luke 24:1, 13, 15, 29, 33, 36, 39 - They couldn't touch Jesus in the
morning because he hadn't risen to the Father yet, but they could
touch him in the evening of that same day.

Pat

[Theda]

Hi, Pat,
I'm at my sister's, using her computer so I'll have to brief but
promise to spend more time when my own computer is co-operating again.
I've found that the thirteenth month occurs quite naturally without
any human intervention. The problem with the Jewish Calendar is that
it may start the moon count with the last moon of winter instead of
the first moon of spring.
By following the dictates of that "clock in the sky", starting the
moon count with the first new moon following the vernal equinox, the
months are already "laid out" for us; no need for us to add a
thirteenth month when it's already there and at the precisely correct
time. .
The "clock" is so smart that it also resolves the count by having only
eleven moons between the two vernal equinoxes to counter the years
that have thirteen months. All we need to do is observe what the
Creator has already done for us. There is no need for us to "adjust"
the months to accommodate the barley. If the moon count begins
prematurely (last moon of winter) then the barley probably won't be
ready.
I want to quote something now but I'm stumbling with the unfamiliar
lap top and don't have my resources with me, so forgive me if I
paraphrase badly. I'm sure you know the scripture and can probably
quote it better than I can...but to the effect that we are not to add
or take away anything from God's word. It's in The Revelation, I
think. The sun and the moon are "set" and speak unto all languages
(Psalms, I think), They, too, are God's word. All we need to do is
observe them. No fuss, no bother, all the moons fall into their
assigned places; maybe thirteen one year, but maybe eleven the next.
Just watch them!
He gave us the sun and the moon. Nobody else has ever done that for
me. You?
Theda

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[mary]

Hi Pat and others,

To me it makes sense that the equinox is the anchor for determining the first month of the year and everything after that is counted from there. Very simple, can be done without any kind of organization or dependence on mankind's determination -- just the individual, the clock in the sky and the Creator. 

 

Barley was referred to for a specific audience and particular time and place.

 

The objects in the heavens are given as the authority for the appointed times, made for that purpose.  Barley was not made for that purpose, it had a role at a time and place with a people coming into a new land but is not relevant for the entire earth as the heavenly bodies are. 

 

Genesis states the authority and that authority stands through any other sidebars related to specific times and places. 

 

~~mary
Romans 8:28

 

 

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[Theda]

Hi, Pat and Everyone,
Here I am at the library - trying to catch up. Sorry to be so long
responding.
About that 13th month: There will be a 13th new moon before the vernal
equinox of 2010. We didn't have to do anything to put it there. As
Mary said, the vernal equinox is the anchor for beginning the year.
The first new moon of the solar year is where we begin the count. That
13th month just falls in order as the Creator placed it. The Jewish
calendar sometimes begins the count with the last new moon of winter
instead of the first new moon of spring. They will probably do that in
2010 but I haven't checked it yet.
There's so much I'd like to say but my time is limited. Keep studying,
Everyone. The more we learn, the more there is to learn. My computer
is in good hands and should be functioning soon.
Theda

> http://www.thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php/Committee_concerning_the_fix...

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> Here's a link to the Karaite Jews calendar:
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> http://www.karaite-korner.org/holiday_dates.shtml
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> I wanted to know how they did it in the time of Moses and the time of
> Christ, and there is no discrepancy about what that was, both sides
> agree. And the Karaite Jews continue to do it that way, so I can look
> to them for the dates. There are also websites that tell when the
> first visible light of new moon will be visible in different parts of
> the world. Islam uses the first visible light as their new moon, so
> this information is in much demand and is available.
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> Some say the spring equinox can be used to identify the first month of
> the year, and I haven't yet looked into whether that always agrees
> with the ripening of the barley in Jerusalem, so I'm not sure about
> that yet. It looks to me like God intended the ripening of the
> firstfruits for the Wave Sheaf offering to be in the first month, so
> I'd go by that. (Lev 23) The barley is the first to ripen, and Abib,

> the name of the first month according to God, means barley.http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H24&t...

> the archives for "Dodd" and see what he said about these things.http://www.herbertarmstrong.org/

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