Re: |sspc: 26|: The SSPC

[David Reich]

Well, for starters, we arn't the Super Secret Philosophy Secret.  We're a club!  And we know it! 

Anyway, in making the google groups, I realised we need two things - a paragraph-long description of ourselves, and an image.  Please now, magical interweb mailing list, create these for me!

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:32 PM, nano <nano...@gmail.com> wrote:

Now, this is basically a place to discuss the sspc in general. i dont
have much to say, but people may ask questions, etc.

tahdah


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[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

I can probably draw a logo for us but now I need to think of how to draw and then send it to you. Paul can probably do something too.

Cheers,
Thuy

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Now for the logo, I'm thinking of one of those illogical artwork puzzles consisting of the different letters in SSPC put together in an illogical way. What do you think? Does anyone have picture that I can possibly reference? The one in the link is only a cube and therefore not big enough.

Cheers,
Thuy

[Michael Oppenheimer]

Hey, I made a logo too! I'm not sure how to post it so if someone
could tell me how that would be great.
P.S. Hi Thuy!!!

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Hey Michael!

Well, it depends on where it is. If it's on paper, it needs to be scanned. If on the computer, then you can attach it as a link.

Cheers,
Thuy

[Michael Oppenheimer]

Well it's on the computer so i'll attach it as a link(or try to).
here we go:

P.S. Paul invited me!

[Michael Oppenheimer]

Also it probably needs some touch-ups so anyone can do that.

[David Reich]

I sorta like it.  It honestly didn't look that great at first, but the more I look at it the better it gets.  I do like Thuy's escher idea though.  Or maybe a fractal?  This perhaps? I like fractals.  Maybe a picture of Plato or someone? we should vote.

[Michael Oppenheimer]

Thanks! and also that picture you posted is fractastic! And yeah i was just spit-balling so it's just an idea.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Yes! It was fractastic! Now, I finished my sketch but it's very confusing and looks physically impossible to comprehend. Even worse is that it's on paper and practically impossible to put it on computer. I'll try though.

Cheers

[Michael Oppenheimer]

First of all, it sounds awesome. Also, they have this crazy invention called a scanner. Use it.

P.S. sorry if that sounded condescending

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

WOW! Scanners exist?! I thought it doesn't exist despite my first post "Well, it depends on where it is. If it's on paper, it needs to be scanned. If on the computer, then you can attach it as a link."

Well, it can be scanned and I do have a scanner but the drawing looks a bit messy with all the eraser marks. Also, I can't use any applications to replicate it. I sigh with sadness.

[David Reich]

Anyone here able to use photoshop or GIMP? I know those have tools for touching up images like that.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

I do have GIMP and I'm pretty sure Michael does too since that's what he used to make the logo.

Cheers

[Michael Oppenheimer]

Yup, I've got GIMP. Also, I changed my OS from Mint to Ubuntu!

[David McCoy]

Okay, I think I've created a paragraph description of the group. Here
it is:

We are the SSPC. The Super Secret Philosophy Club. We are a
decentralized group of people who discuss philosophy and similar
topics. We look to find meaning in random topics like the thoery of a
multiverse and the idea of an ideal government. Our
"discussions" (more like civil arguments) are open and anyone can
join. Just think openly and type what you think. Any argument goes,
and if it doesn't we'll just completely crush it. So join or read our
disscussions today.

On Apr 18, 9:28 pm, Michael Oppenheimer <doomwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yup, I've got GIMP. Also, I changed my OS from Mint to Ubuntu!
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Quoc-Thuy Vuong <vqt...@lv5.org> wrote:
> > I do have GIMP and I'm pretty sure Michael does too since that's what he
> > used to make the logo.
>
> > Cheers
>

> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:36 PM, David Reich <ellimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Anyone here able to use photoshop or GIMP? I know those have tools for
> >> touching up images like that.
>
> >> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Quoc-Thuy Vuong <vqt...@lv5.org> wrote:
>

> >>> WOW! Scanners exist?! I thought it doesn't exist despite my first post *"Well,

> >>> it depends on where it is. If it's on paper, it needs to be scanned. If
> >>> on the computer, then you can attach it as a link."
>

> >>> *Well, it can be scanned and I do have a scanner but the drawing looks a

> >>> bit messy with all the eraser marks. Also, I can't use any applications to
> >>> replicate it. I sigh with sadness.
>
> >>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Michael Oppenheimer <
> >>> doomwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> First of all, it sounds awesome. Also, they have this crazy invention
> >>>> called a scanner. Use it.
>
> >>>> P.S. sorry if that sounded condescending
>
> >>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Quoc-Thuy Vuong <vqt...@lv5.org>wrote:
>
> >>>>> Yes! It was fractastic! Now, I finished my sketch but it's very
> >>>>> confusing and looks physically impossible to comprehend. Even worse is that
> >>>>> it's on paper and practically impossible to put it on computer. I'll try
> >>>>> though.
>
> >>>>> Cheers
>
> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Michael Oppenheimer <
> >>>>> doomwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Thanks! and also that picture you posted is fractastic! And yeah i was
> >>>>>> just spit-balling so it's just an idea.
>

> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:34 PM, David Reich <ellimi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> I sorta like it.  It honestly didn't look that great at first, but
> >>>>>>> the more I look at it the better it gets.  I do like Thuy's escher idea

> >>>>>>> though.  Or maybe a fractal?  This<http://whatisnotseen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/mandelbrot_set.jpg>perhaps? I like fractals.  Maybe a picture of Plato or someone? we should

> >>>>>>> vote.
>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Michael Oppenheimer <
> >>>>>>> doomwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Also it probably needs some touch-ups so anyone can do that.
>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Michael Oppenheimer <
> >>>>>>>> doomwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Well it's on the computer so i'll attach it as a link(or try to).
> >>>>>>>>> here we go:
>
> >>>>>>>>> P.S. Paul invited me!
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Quoc-Thuy Vuong <vqt...@lv5.org>wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hey Michael!
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, it depends on where it is. If it's on paper, it needs to be
> >>>>>>>>>> scanned. If on the computer, then you can attach it as a link.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>> Thuy
>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Michael Oppenheimer <
> >>>>>>>>>> doomwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey, I made a logo too! I'm not sure how to post it so if someone
> >>>>>>>>>>> could tell me how that would be great.
> >>>>>>>>>>> P.S. Hi Thuy!!!
>
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[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Great! Except you misspelled discussions.

I gave Michael the picture. I now await his feedback.

Cheers

[David McCoy]

Hey, can we also spice up the theme of this Group a bit? It's just the
default boring blue right now...

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[David Reich]

Ah, thank you, that's very good. I'll edit it a bit and put it up on the groups page, I'll also see about changing the theme.  What sort of stuff do we want?

Michael: Congrats!  you trying the new beta?  I've heard good things about it.  Also, mint sorta sucks.

[David M.]

First: Mint sucks.

Second: Do we have another idea for a topic? I'm blank but was
wondering if anybody else had an idea.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

First: Mints are delicious. If you are talking about computers, then I have no idea what you are talking about.

Second: Yes, we do. I'm going to propose the topic:
"Do you think it's philosophically possible to know anything, for certain?"
Taken from one of David's topics

Cheers and happy contemplating

[David Reich]

As far as I rule, being the tyrant-by-default because I was the only one who could be assed to put the mailing list together, anyone can start any topic whenever.  I do like that one, it would definately be the most philosophical thus far, lots of discussion of Descartes, Locke, Leibniz, etc.  I'll go start it I guess.

[David Reich]

...Or not, it seems Thuy did _while_ I was writing that post.

[David Reich]

Ok, Apparently there's a 300 character limit on the description, so here's what I wound up putting:

"The SSPC is the Super Secret Philosophy Club. We are a decentralized group of people who discuss philosophy and similar topics. We debate anything, from the most obscure (Ideal Kantian Noumenals) to accessible (Time Travel paradoxes). Our discussions are open and anyone can join - including you!"

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

I like it. It's informational yet welcoming.

Cheers

[dew96 (saucy)]

I agree. Its great.

[David Reich]

Oh hey, as the guy who sent it out, I don't have a copy of the origional invite I sent out.  Could someone post up a copy?

[Michael Oppenheimer]

I like it, except you spelled decentralised, theory, and discussions wrong.

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:40 PM, David McCoy <dmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Okay, I think I've created a paragraph description of the group. Here
it is:

We are the SSPC. The Super Secret Philosophy Club. We are a

  decentralisedgroup of people who discuss philosophy and similar

[dew96 (saucy)]

i copied some of what ellimistd put as the old description so he spelled some stuff wrong too

[David Reich]

Seriously, I need a copy of the origional invite.  Check your archives?

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

I'll send it. Can you also invite John Hawley? I think he would enjoy this.

Cheers

[David Reich]

Thanks, Thuy.

anyway, I've invited John, but keep in mind you're perfectly able to invite anyone you want yourself - and I would like you to.  We need this to grow, fairly quickly, before we lose interest.

[David M.]

What happened to the logo and the idea of changing the theme?

On Apr 21, 7:55 pm, David Reich <ellimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Thuy.
>
> anyway, I've invited John, but keep in mind you're perfectly able to invite
> anyone you want yourself - and I would like you to.  We need this to grow,
> fairly quickly, before we lose interest.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Quoc-Thuy Vuong <vqt...@lv5.org> wrote:
> > I'll send it. Can you also invite John Hawley? I think he would enjoy this.
>
> > Cheers
>

> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 7:46 PM, David Reich <ellimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Seriously, I need a copy of the origional invite.  Check your archives?
>

> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:16 PM, dew96 (saucy) <dmcco...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> i copied some of what ellimistd put as the old description so he spelled
> >>> some stuff wrong too
>
> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Michael Oppenheimer <
> >>> doomwolf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> I like it, except you spelled decentralised, theory, and discussions
> >>>> wrong.
>

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[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

I did have a logo but I don't know about uploading it for it may look messy and I can't recreate it on the computer. What do you guys think I should do?

Cheers?

[Andrew Towle]

It's fine. Just show it to us. I think david M. might be able to make a logo too.

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Andy T.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Right now, Michael has it.

[David Reich]

I'll take a look at the theme stuff stat.  I do want to keep it understated though, nothing glaring in-your-face.

Anyone can send me an icon, I'll set it up - note, it has to be a fairly small image, going where the microscope is now.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Small? Then my picture won't do. I'll try to come up with another. We can always use an impossible puzzle as our icon.

Cheers?

[David Reich]

I might put some Escher as it for now.  Anyway, I've had an idea - a series of SSPC torrent files containing audio leactures, e-books, videos, etc for distributing material about what we're discussing.  I'll make a few to try it out - sound good?

Cheers!

[Michael Oppenheimer]

Hmmmm. It might work, but something that someone clicks on an it brings them to a torrent download doesn't really send the right message.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Should we discuss about Sunday here?

I'll start by asking about the food, attire, guests, and the topics to be discussed. Please tell me in full detail.

Cheers

[David Reich]

Right then 

Sunday: the test run for what is hoped to become an SSPC tradition, and major means of communication - classic tea parties!  This one's in the washington DC area, at Paul's house

Food:  whatever we can get, including tea, crumpets, and cake.  note:  please, people, bring consumables.  Contribute, do your part for the Party!
Attire:  Fancy.  not wedding or funeral fancy, but button-down shirt, jacket, etc.  NOT JEANS OR T-SHIRT, you will be turned aside at the door.  Non-fancy shoes are alright, this'll be outside, but fancy is appreciated.
Guests:  Me, Paul, Thuy, Michael, and possibly Jamie (he doesn't know if he can come yet, probably not)
Topics: Will be determined.
Other: British accents mandated.

[Paul Gully]

hmm

the attire thing may be problematic. but noted

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

I'm curious about the British accents. That would be problematic for us to keep such an accent for some time.

[David Reich]

This is a test run - we'll see how it goes.  I've found that once you start one up, it continues easily, particularly if others are doing one as well.  We'll see how it goes though.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

What do you suggest that I bring?

[David Reich]

as far as food - if you could make scones or cakes or something and bring them in, it's be great. 

other stuff - whatever you think'd be nice or useful.  OH!  if you have any philosophy books, them, for citations etc.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

All I have is the Little Prince which only goes on the adult world. I WILL USE YOUR BOOKS AND PHILOSOPHIES AGAINST YOU THEN! MWAHAHAHAHAHA...yeah. Food, I don't know. Maybe popcorn. It might clash, though.

Cheers

[David Reich]

...it would.  The Little Prince is fine, doubt we'll wind up using it much though.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

I shall bring popcorn, then and bring my rice field hat! And the little Prince! I will be a person wearing nice clothes(European), bringing popcorn(American Snack), the Little Prince(French Book), and with a Vietnamese Hat. The hat? IT'S NECESSARY!

Cheers

[David Reich]

if you've got quasi-fancy Vietnamese clothes, that would be PURE WIN actually.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Nah, too fancy. Now should the popcorn be popped already or in a bag?

[David Reich]

popped probably... I'm still sorta doubting it's necessity though

[Andrew Towle]

are yall, like doin a philosophy meet or somehting?


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Andy T.

[David Reich]

Ayup - a tea party!  If you get enough people in your area interested, you should host one as well.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Are you doubting the necessity of the popcorn or the hat? The popcorn is necessary for food and the hat IS NECESSARY.

cheers

[David Reich]

Popcorn.  Certainly food is necessary, but wouldn't tea-cakes or scones be better?

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

I have none of those. I've never seem a scone before.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

*seen

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Quoc-Thuy Vuong <vqt...@lv5.org> wrote:

I have none of those. I've never seen a scone before.

[David Reich]

Don't worry about bringing food then, Paul and I will handle it.

[Michael Oppenheimer]

uhhh I don't really like formal. But whatever, I'll deal. So like a nice shirt and nice pants?

[Michael Oppenheimer]

And also, why can't it be more chill?

[David Reich]

BECAUSE WE ARE PHILOSOPHY TEA PARTY!  we apoligise for the inconvience.  We'll probably do a nice, informal, modern thing soon as well, but we should do this just to see how it goes.

[Michael Oppenheimer]

Aight. <--- a sense of things to come. MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, what about the attire? I feel that even with a nice shirt and nice pants, I will be underdressed compared to Thuy.
P.S. May I wear a red fedora?

[David Reich]

Nice hats will be not just accepted, but applauded.  And you might be underdressed, but it's fine, don't worry about it, just no jeans.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Heh. Fedora. Computers.

[David Reich]

Or possibly a Red Hat, hmm, you may be derided for inferior package management.

[Michael Oppenheimer]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't think of that!

[Andrew Towle]

FEZZFEZZFEZZ



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Andy T.

[Michael Oppenheimer]

I'll try to find a cooler hat. But if I can't...too bad!
P.S. I'm going to bed so no more posts by me tonight.
P.P.S. By 'going to bed' I mean going to do homework.

[David Reich]

I should go do homework as well, but probably won't

[Mvpeh]

Yeah, same.

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-Marton

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

I should do homework but I have a homework pass that expires tomorrow. MWAHAHA *cough. Sorry. I still have a French Test tomorrow, though.

Cheers and see you guys tomorrow

[dew96 (saucy)]

If I could be there in spirit... Maybe Google chat? I would even be willing to use an English accent.

Pip pip cheerios and all that, chap, I think it would be a bloody good time. And mayst I bring crumpets? I do have a likeness to them.

[David Reich]

Possible.  I Might have a laptop with a camera, it might not be in a working state right now though.

[David M.]

Well I think right now we have two groups of people, you guys down in
Virginia/D.C. area and us down here in Middle TN. Anyone else here
from another area?

On Apr 30, 9:21 am, David Reich <ellimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Possible.  I Might have a laptop with a camera, it might not be in a working
> state right now though.
>

> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:22 PM, dew96 (saucy) <dmcco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If I could be there in spirit... Maybe Google chat? I would even be willing
> > to use an English accent.
>
> > Pip pip cheerios and all that, chap, I think it would be a bloody good
> > time. And mayst I bring crumpets? I do have a likeness to them.
>
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Quoc-Thuy Vuong <vqt...@lv5.org> wrote:
>
> >> I should do homework but I have a homework pass that expires tomorrow.
> >> MWAHAHA *cough. Sorry. I still have a French Test tomorrow, though.
>
> >> Cheers and see you guys tomorrow
>

> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Mvpeh <marton.varg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Yeah, same.
>

[David M.]

Hey what happened to changing the theme? Not that there is anything
wrong with the "Standard" look, though the theme "A Kind of Blue"
would look better... Or maybe customized colors?

[David M.]

Looky this group has a decent theme, welcome message and pic:

http://groups.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/tour3/custom.gif

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

...other people...curses

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Well, we will discuss all of this during our Sunday meeting.

Cheers

[David Reich]

Well, as of now, we're not really using the group page for much, so idk if it's worth a custom theme, but I just set it to the "typography" theme, which looks like what they have.

[David Reich]

Also, about where we're located, we have one person (David Horton, who never says anything on the mailing list for some reason) in Utah, although he claims to be able to get more people to join.  He seems very lazy about it though.

[David M.]

Okay, I think I have made an amazing flyer, I have uploaded it to the
Files page. I think its good but I dunno. Its a .docx, so I hope you
can open it.

On Apr 30, 7:59 pm, "David M." <dmcco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> w00t yay theme. Also, since I won't be at the meeting where you guys
> are, let me throw out some more suggestions (really just minor things
> that make the site look better):
>
> People complete their profiles so people know who they are talking to
> (pics are nice too).
> We get some of those audio lecture torrents David was talking about
> under the Files section.
> Work on the SSPC Argument/Theory Structure.
> Get a welcome message.
> LOGO?! (preferably with the welcome message; it can be larger and
> scaled; just keep the little microscope in the top)

[David Reich]

Alright, I've made the first two torrent files!  They're on the site.  A 24-lecture series on argumentation.  Please, everyone, dl them and seed! seed as much as possible, the more people the faster the download.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Off-topic from what is already said but

I can't make it a noon exactly for the meeting. My little brother has a birthday party and my parents really want me to help out. It ends at 2:30 so I can probably come at 3:00. Is it alright if I come that late? Will it still be going on?

Cheers

[David Reich]

ECCH!!  annoyance. Sure, that's fine with me, but idk about michael - Michael, can you come later?  Paul, is it k with you?  Problem is, I told Jamie 12:00 and now  I have no way to contact him.  Don't even know if he's coming or not though. 

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Still, I'm fuzzy on the food issue. Are only you and Paul going to supply food? What kind of food? Will there be tea and sugar?

Cheers

[Paul Gully]

Ok, so david and i have agreed that 3:00 is a slightly better time anyway. i will get this message to all others who are attending. if there is rain, we will just move inside.

as for food, we will provide food, but feel free to bring something of your own if you are so inclined. Michael has mentioned that he is bringing lemon bars, for example.

[Quoc-Thuy Vuong]

Thanks. I'll bring popcorn, then.

Cheers with Lemon Bars!!!

[Michael Oppenheimer]

I might not be able to get Lemon Bars.....sorry and 3 is fine for me

[Andrew Towle]

Just go buy some fancy cookies or something.

--
Andy T.

[David Reich]

Nah, it's fine, andrew just... wants us to have cookies even though he's not even going to be there?  huh?  whatever.  Btw, if you get there a bit early I'll look ta the computer, you wanted something with that right?

[Andrew Towle]

Hey man, I'm joking. Gosh.

--
Andy T.

[Michael Oppenheimer]

Yeah!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks! so.. what time

[David Reich]

idk, paul claims that 'whenever' is ok with him and idk exactly when I'll get there (I'm doing some work at the pool tommorow morning, idk how long it'll last, but I'll head to Paul's afterward.  About 2ish maybe.)

[Michael Oppenheimer]

kay for me

[David Reich]

Here's another post, bothering you to go download the torrents and seed them.  DL overnight, you'll be awesome