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Melissa Stanley
May 14, 2009, 2:38:15 PM5/14/09
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1. the finale ended with a white flash, similar to the flashes seen
before people were transported through time. could that have happened
after the bomb went off?
2. when jacob visits locke in the past, his touch seemingly revived
locke. when jacob visits kate, sawyer, jack, hurley, sayid, sun and
jin, he also touches them. could this be some kind of protection for
them? those people won't(can't) die?
3. during juliets flashback, her house looks awfully modern for being
20-30 years ago. could she actually be born much more recent than we
have been led to believe?
1. the finale ended with a white flash, similar to the flashes seen
before people were transported through time. could that have happened
after the bomb went off?
2. when jacob visits locke in the past, his touch seemingly revived
locke. when jacob visits kate, sawyer, jack, hurley, sayid, sun and
jin, he also touches them. could this be some kind of protection for
them? those people won't(can't) die?
3. during juliets flashback, her house looks awfully modern for being
20-30 years ago. could she actually be born much more recent than we
have been led to believe?
khar...@aol.com
May 14, 2009, 3:18:14 PM5/14/09
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I'd love to take credit for all this, but a friend of mine came up with this theory so I'm just gonna cut and paste since she's much smarter than me anyways
I can totally see the Trading Spaces scenario going on here. Jacob and 'friend' in a centuries long chess game to each prove their point (and possibly off the other). Jacob for free will, hope in humanity and the ‘variable’ and the Man in Black (Esau, Randall Flagg - ha!) for fate, the evilness of man and ‘the constant’. The time travel brings a progressive ‘cycle’ into the mix, with the hope that with each try our characters get closer to ‘getting things right’. For all we know, this may have happened many times over already. This is the idea behind Stephen King’s The Dark Tower series (an influence on the writers) and also hinted at with the original name of the show - “The Circle”. Ultimately, all the rest of the characters then fall into being pawns for this game, as Jacob blatantly points out to Ben (crushed now by the realization that he, Richard, and even Widmore and Hawking are all small fry in this game). It’s a long con. The hope is one little change can cause a ripple that alters the outcome. Juliet setting off the bomb last night can be just that.
The statue looks like a combo, having the body of Sobek and the head of Taweret, the ancient Egyptian goddess of maternity and c hildbirth, protector of women and children. Does destroying the statue explain why women can no longer give birth on the island? Also, in the Book of the Dead, Taweret was seen as a goddess who guided the dead into the afterlife. She’s a deity with a double role in birth and death (or rebirth of souls into their life after death). The statue being a hybrid of Sobek and her makes sense since they were sometimes consorts. Though from looking, both of them seemed to have gotten around quite a bit.
There are as many biblical references in this show as Egyptian. In the bible, Jacob and Esau are twin brothers and bitter rivals. God loved Jacob and hated the other. Jacob conned his brother out of his birthright. Benjamin is Jacob’s last son (and his mother died in childbirth). Aaron is a descendant of Jacob and the first high priest. Lost’s Jacob willingness to just die is also very Christlike. Maybe he has a long con himself and sacrificing himself (Ben being Judas) is part of the plan. These and the Egyptian myths all touch on huge themes and mirror each other in many aspects.
I can totally see the Trading Spaces scenario going on here. Jacob and 'friend' in a centuries long chess game to each prove their point (and possibly off the other). Jacob for free will, hope in humanity and the ‘variable’ and the Man in Black (Esau, Randall Flagg - ha!) for fate, the evilness of man and ‘the constant’. The time travel brings a progressive ‘cycle’ into the mix, with the hope that with each try our characters get closer to ‘getting things right’. For all we know, this may have happened many times over already. This is the idea behind Stephen King’s The Dark Tower series (an influence on the writers) and also hinted at with the original name of the show - “The Circle”. Ultimately, all the rest of the characters then fall into being pawns for this game, as Jacob blatantly points out to Ben (crushed now by the realization that he, Richard, and even Widmore and Hawking are all small fry in this game). It’s a long con. The hope is one little change can cause a ripple that alters the outcome. Juliet setting off the bomb last night can be just that.
The statue looks like a combo, having the body of Sobek and the head of Taweret, the ancient Egyptian goddess of maternity and c hildbirth, protector of women and children. Does destroying the statue explain why women can no longer give birth on the island? Also, in the Book of the Dead, Taweret was seen as a goddess who guided the dead into the afterlife. She’s a deity with a double role in birth and death (or rebirth of souls into their life after death). The statue being a hybrid of Sobek and her makes sense since they were sometimes consorts. Though from looking, both of them seemed to have gotten around quite a bit.
There are as many biblical references in this show as Egyptian. In the bible, Jacob and Esau are twin brothers and bitter rivals. God loved Jacob and hated the other. Jacob conned his brother out of his birthright. Benjamin is Jacob’s last son (and his mother died in childbirth). Aaron is a descendant of Jacob and the first high priest. Lost’s Jacob willingness to just die is also very Christlike. Maybe he has a long con himself and sacrificing himself (Ben being Judas) is part of the plan. These and the Egyptian myths all touch on huge themes and mirror each other in many aspects.
Thoughts?
khar...@aol.com
May 14, 2009, 3:39:57 PM5/14/09
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Oh, and is there any debate at this point that Bernard and Rose = Adam and Eve (the two bodies Jack and Kate found waaaaaay back in Season One?
From: khar...@aol.com
To: the-o...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 14 May 2009 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: a few things
I'd love to take credit for all this, but a friend of mine came up with this theory so I'm just gonna cut and paste since she's much smarter than me anyways
I can totally see the Trading Spaces scenario going on here. Jacob and 'friend' in a centuries long chess game to each prove their point (and possibly off the other). Jacob for free will, hope in humanity and the ‘variable’ and the Man in Black (Esau, Randall Flagg - ha!) for fate, the evilness of man and ‘the constant’. The time travel brings a progressive ‘cycle’ into the mix, with the hope that with each try our characters get closer to ‘getting things right’. For all we know, this may have happened many times over already. This is the idea behind Stephen King’s The Dark Tower series (an influence on the writers) and also hinted at with the original name of the show - “The Circle”. Ultimately, all the rest of the characters then fall into being pawns for this game, as Jacob blatantly points out to Ben (crushed now by the realization that he, Richard, and even Widmore and Hawking are all small fry in this game). It’s a long con. The hope is one little change can cause a ripple that alters the outcome. Juliet setting off the bomb last night can be just that.
The statue looks like a combo, having the body of Sobek and the head of Taweret, the ancient Egyptian goddess of maternity and c hildbirth, protector of women and children. Does destroying the statue explain why women can no longer give birth on the island? Also, in the Book of the Dead, Taweret was seen as a goddess who guided the dead into the afterlife. She’s a deity with a double role in birth and death (or rebirth of souls into their life after death). The statue being a hybrid of Sobek and her makes sense since they were sometimes consorts. Though from looking, both of them seemed to have gotten around quite a bit.
There are as many
biblical references in this show as Egyptian. In the bible, Jacob and
Esau are twin brothers and bitter rivals. God loved Jacob and hated the
other. Jacob conned his brother out of his birthright. Benjamin is
Jacob’s last son (and his mother died in childbirth). Aaron is a
descendant of Jacob and the first high priest. Lost’s Jacob willingness
to just die is also very Christlike. Maybe he has a long con himself
and sacrificing himself (Ben being Judas) is part of the plan. Thes
e
and the Egyptian myths all touch on huge themes and mirror each other
in many aspects.
Thoughts?
-----Original Message-----From: Melissa Stanley <diera...@gmail.com>
To: The Orchid <the-o...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 14 May 2009 2:38 pm
Subject: a few things
ok
1. the finale ended with a white flash, similar to the flashes seen
before people were transported through time. could that have happened
after the bomb went off?
2. when jacob visits locke in the past, his touch seemingly revived
locke. when jacob visits kate, sawyer, jack, hurley, sayid, sun and
jin, he also touches them. could this be some kind of protection for
them? those people won't(can't) die?
3. during juliets flashback, her house looks awfully modern for being
20-30 years ago. could she actually be born much more recent than we
have been led to believe?
moond...@aol.com
May 14, 2009, 3:43:43 PM5/14/09
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YES! It's Nicky and Paulo!!
Best. Characters. Ever.
Best. Characters. Ever.
From: khar...@aol.com
To: the-o...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 14 May 2009 3:39 pm
Subject: Re: a few things
Oh, and is there any debate at this point that Bernard and Rose = Adam and Eve (the two bodies Jack and Kate found waaaaaay back in Season One?
From: khar...@aol.com
To: the-o...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 14 May 2009 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: a few things
I'd love to take credit for all this, but a friend of mine came up with this theory so I'm just gonna cut and paste since she's much smarter than me anyways
I can totally see the Trading Spaces scenario going on here. Jacob and 'friend' in a centuries long chess game to each prove their point (and possibly off the other). Jacob for free will, hope in humanity and the ‘variable’ and the Man in Black (Esau, Randall Flagg - ha!) for fate, the evilness of man and ‘the co nstant’. The time travel brings a progressive ‘cycle’ into the mix, with the hope that with each try our characters get closer to ‘getting things right’. For all we know, this may have happened many times over already. This is the idea behind Stephen King’s The Dark Tower series (an influence on the writers) and also hinted at with the original name of the show - “The Circle”. Ultimately, all the rest of the characters then fall into being pawns for this game, as Jacob blatantly points out to Ben (crushed now by the realization that he, Richard, and even Widmore and Hawking are all small fry in this game). It’s a long con. The hope is one little change can cause a ripple that alters the outcome. Juliet setting off the bomb last night can be just that.
The statue looks like a combo, having the body of Sobek and the head of Taweret, the ancient Egyptian goddess of maternity and c hildbirth, protector of women and children. Does destroying the statue explain why women can no longer give birth on the island? Also, in the Book of the Dead, Taweret was seen as a goddess who guided the dead into the afterlife. She’s a deity with a double role in birth and death (or rebirth of souls into their life after death). The statue being a hybrid of Sobek and her makes sense since they were sometimes consorts. Though from looking, both of them seemed to have gotten around quite a bit.
There are as many biblical references in this show as Egyptian. In the bible, Jacob and Esau are twin brothers and bitter rivals. God loved Jacob and hated the other. Jacob conned his brother out of his birthright. Benjamin is Jacob’s last son (and his mother died in childbirth). Aaron is a descendant of Jacob and the first high priest. Lost’s Jacob willingness to just die is also very Christlike. Maybe he has a long con himself and sacrificing himself (Ben being Judas) is part of the plan. Thes e and the Egyptian myths all touch on huge themes and mirror each other in many aspects.
Thoughts?
-----Original Message-----From: Melissa Stanley <diera...@gmail.com>
To: The Orchid <the-o...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 14 May 2009 2:38 pm
Subject: a few things
ok
1. the finale ended with a white flash, similar to the flashes seen
before people were transported through time. could tha t have happened
after the bomb went off?
2. when jacob visits locke in the past, his touch seemingly revived
locke. when jacob visits kate, sawyer, jack, hurley, sayid, sun and
jin, he also touches them. could this be some kind of protection for
them? those people won't(can't) die?
3. during juliets flashback, her house looks awfully modern for being
20-30 years ago. could she actually be born much more recent than we
have been led to believe?
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moond...@aol.com
May 14, 2009, 3:47:31 PM5/14/09
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yeah, that seems pretty spot on. also, i think it's been hinted at that whoever was in the cabin certainly wasn't Jacob but instead "Esau". and I'm willing to bet there's some more ash in the guitar case hurley's been luggin around so that when the time comes Esau can once again be contained.
From: khar...@aol.com
To: the-o...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 14 May 2009 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: a few things
I'd love to take credit for all this, but a friend of mine came up with this theory so I'm just gonna cut and paste since she's much smarter than me anyways
I can totally see the Trading Spaces scenario going on here. Jacob and 'friend' in a centuries long chess game to each prove their point (and possibly off the other). Jacob for free will, hope in humanity and the ‘variable’ and the Man in Black (Esau, Randall Flagg - ha!) for fate, the evilness of man and ‘the constant’. The time travel brings a progressive ‘cycle’ into the mix, with the hope that with each try our characters get closer to ‘getting things right’. For all we know, this may have happened many times over already. This is the idea behind Stephen King’s The Dark Tower series (an influence on the wr iters) and also hinted at with the original name of the show - “The Circle”. Ultimately, all the rest of the characters then fall into being pawns for this game, as Jacob blatantly points out to Ben (crushed now by the realization that he, Richard, and even Widmore and Hawking are all small fry in this game). It’s a long con. The hope is one little change can cause a ripple that alters the outcome. Juliet setting off the bomb last night can be just that.
The statue looks like a combo, having the body of Sobek and the head of Taweret, the ancient Egyptian goddess of maternity and c hildbirth, protector of women and children. Does destroying the statue explain why women can no longer give birth on the island? Also, in the Book of the Dead, Taweret was seen as a goddess who guided the dead into the afterlife. She’s a deity with a double role in birth and death (or rebirth of souls into their life after death). The statue being a hybrid of Sobek and her makes sense since they were sometimes consorts. Though from looking, both of them seemed to have gotten around quite a bit.
There are as many
biblical references in this show as Egyptian. In the bible, Jacob and
Esau are twin brothers and bitter rivals. God loved Jacob and hated the
other. Jacob conned his brother out of his birthright. Benjamin is
Jacob’s last son (and his mother died in childbirth). Aaron is a
descendant of Jacob and the first high priest. Lost’s Jacob=2
0willingness
to just die is also very Christlike. Maybe he has a long con himself
and sacrificing himself (Ben being Judas) is part of the plan. These
and the Egyptian myths all touch on huge themes and mirror each other
in many aspects.
Thoughts?
-----Original Message-----From: Melissa Stanley <diera...@gmail.com>
To: The Orchid <the-o...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 14 May 2009 2:38 pm
Subject: a few things
ok
1. the finale ended with a white flash, similar to the flashes seen
before people were transported through time. could that have happened
after the bomb went off?
2. when jacob visits locke in the past, his touch seemingly revived
locke. when jacob visits kate, sawyer, jack, hurley, sayid, sun and
jin, he also touches them. could this be some kind of protection for
them? those people won't(can't) die?
3. during juliets flashback, her house looks awfully modern for being
20-30 years ago. could she actually be born much more recent than we
have been led to believe?
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