couple of thoughts, re: LaFleur

[Bryan Dunn]

1. Harper's comment to Juliet ("You look just like her") is ironic.  Juliet looks like her because she is her.  We'll see Juliet interacting with a young Ben soon, and that's where his obsession with her starts.

2. The 3 flashbacks for a younger Locke in "Cabin Fever" are more or less explained: first, Alpert witnesses his birth to verify what John told him in "Jughead".  second, Alpert visits Locke personally to administer the test of leadership at an age when the Others' leader is usually determined (why the test was what it was is still unknow).  third, after Sawyer mentions Locke to Richard AGAIN in the 70s, Mittelos Bioscience tries to get Locke to the island for a summer internship.

3.  The dharmateers will be transported back to the present before the end of the season, perhaps because of the "incident" mentioned by Pierre Chang in the orientation video.

 

[moond...@aol.com]

1.) when did Harper say "You look just like her" to Juliet? and who is Harper referring to?

i agree on 2. all of that pretty much adds up.

as for 3, it's possible but i wouldn't be surprised if the 815ers get involved with the whole incident.

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[Bryan Dunn]

1.  In "The Other Woman": http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Other_Woman

There was no explicit statement of who 'her' was, so I'm guessing it's actually Juliet.

[moond...@aol.com]

ah ok. i don't remember her saying that in that episode at ALL. i may have to freshen up on all the past seasons....

[heathaho]

I was originally thinking that when Harper said "you look just like
her" to Juliet, it was referring to Ben's mother.
But yes, the thought did flash through my mind after this last
episode, "LeFluer" that Juliet may bump into the young Ben.
I am wondering how this will all play out with some of them possibly
bumping into the younger versions of themselves or their buddies.

On Mar 5, 2:26 pm, moondog...@aol.com wrote:
>  ah ok. i don't remember her saying that in that episode at ALL. i may have to freshen up on all the past seasons....
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Dunn <bryandunnmu...@gmail.com>
> To: the-o...@googlegroups.com
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> Subject: Re: couple of thoughts, re: LaFleur
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> 1.? In "The Other Woman":http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Other_Woman

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> There was no explicit statement of who 'her' was, so I'm guessing it's actually Juliet.
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> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:44 AM, <moondog...@aol.com> wrote:
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> 1.) when did Harper say "You look just like her" to Juliet? and who is Harper referring to?
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> i agree on 2. all of that pretty much adds up.
>
> as for 3, it's possible but i wouldn't be surprised if the 815ers get involved with the whole incident.
>
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> From: Bryan Dunn <bryandunnmu...@gmail.com>
> To: the-o...@googlegroups.com
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> Sent: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:16 am
> Subject: couple of thoughts, re: LaFleur
>

> 1. Harper's comment to Juliet ("You look just like her") is ironic.? Juliet looks like her because she is her.? We'll see Juliet interacting with a young Ben soon, and that's where his obsession with her starts.
>
> 2. The 3 flashbacks for a younger Locke in "Cabin Fever" are more or less explained: first, Alpert witnesses his birth to verify what John told him in "Jughead".? second, Alpert visits Locke personally to administer the test of leadership at an age when the Others' leader is usually determined (why the test was what it was is still unknow).? third, after Sawyer mentions Locke to Richard AGAIN in the 70s, Mittelos Bioscience tries to get Locke to the island for a summer internship.
>
> 3.? The dharmateers will be transported back to the present before the end of the season, perhaps because of the "incident" mentioned by Pierre Chang in the orientation video.
>
> ?

[Dan D'Ippolito]

I also recalled Harper's words. Perhaps Juliet becomes a mother-figure to young Ben (whose mother died and whose father is emotionally distant) and when Juliet has to time travel again it's as if he loses another mother? Which then allows Richard to convince him to kill ("purge") all the Dharma.

Also, is the death of Charlotte the beginning of Daniel's madness/decline into psychological instability?

Is LOVE the answer to LOST??? (just kidding, but when I say it better not be I'm serious)

[moond...@aol.com]

after rewatching the newest episode last night i realized one thing in particular. the baby can't be Ben. when the baby is born the year is 1977. therefore, whoever it is would be approximately 30 in present day. is it possible it's Sawyer, who's later put up for adoption back in the states?

[Bryan Dunn]

I'm guessing we'll see Ben arriving on the island in the next couple of episodes, if he's not already there.  We did see him and his father arrive in the flashback episode; perhaps they'll revisit that, ala the plane crash from the others' perspective (first you see ethan & goodwin, then they show it again and drop harper in, etc.)

[Dan D'Ippolito]

It could be Sawyer (would make sense that they'd name the baby James after the "Jim" that saved the mother's life) but according to Wikipedia he was born in 69.

Ben was born in the "early 60s" so 77 is probably right around the time he comes. I'd bet (and hope) we get to see that again from the Losties perspective. Then the purge happens in 1992.

Maybe current-Ben will find Richard and convince him to reach out to/recruit young-Ben?

By the way, what happened to current (all knowing) Richard?

[moond...@aol.com]

current/all knowing richard is still in present day. i'm very curious to see how that dude's managed to remain exactly the same throughout time.

i could def see younger ben making an appearance at dharma. only thing we don't know yet is time/fate will allow people to see their double.

[Dan D'Ippolito]

I think someone said the writers agreed not to have Back to the Future esque seeing-doubles? I would love to see Ben interact with little Ben.

I really want more Ben, still. They should make a movie called Ben Begins and show how he went from some nerdy kid to the dude he is today.

[moond...@aol.com]

yeah i don't think the lost creators will have the characters seeing doubles either. this particular theory of time travel (also postulated by the great Dr. Kaku) states that if time travel were possible people simply would not be able to see or interfere with past events or past selves. it would be the equivalent of trying walk on the ceiling (gravity won't allow it) and therefore there are strict laws of time that won't allow obstructions to the past. that's why we saw Locke walk away from the light coming from the hatch. i still think we'll see young Ben just not his two selves interacting with each other.

[Dan D'Ippolito]

Regarding the baby boy recently born, it could be Daniel. Unless some kind of time-bending is going on, it can't be Ben, Sawyer, Jack, or Desmond, or Locke. They're all too old, born before 1977. (And to have it be someone insignificant to the plot would be very disappointing.) The only caucasian male who could be in their early 30s is Daniel, no?

So then perhaps, to make up for the two others killed by the Losties, Richard not only takes Paul, but also his son. Once the boy is in the others' custody, Ellie and Widmore become his surrogate parents. This could explain why Daniel is funded by Widmore, and why Daniel does not have a Brittish accent when his "mother" does.

To avoid a time paradox (or whatever you want to call it) -- current-Daniel seeing his baby-self -- the baby is taken away at just the time current-Daniel steps in to become that scary man Charlotte described.

[moond...@aol.com]

i like it! good call.

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