Fwd: Re: Corrections/objections/comments...

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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:12:53 -0400
From: james.wa...@elf.mcgill.ca
Reply-To: james.wa...@elf.mcgill.ca
Subject: Re: Corrections/objections/comments...
To: danielle noel <danielle...@yahoo.ca>

Danielle,

> All right, I went over it and here are the comments I have to make about it.

Thank you very much for the comments...

> Sources of light usually in the biblical point of view is always
> associated to God, the bible, Jesus-Christ, the
> righteous/wisemen...(Mal 4:2, Psalms 89:36-37, Daniel12:3). That's
> why I have a hard time applying this parallel.

I agree... light is usually associated with God. However as indicated
in a previous email in Proverbs 24:20 an evil man is associated with
light (a lamp) and in Matthew 6:22,23; Luke 11:33-36 the light of a bad
eye is darkness (the light within you is darkness). Further more in 2
Corinthians 11:14 we are told that Satan can masquerades as an angel of
light.

I would say then that having a light or how bright it shines is not the
important thing but more importantly is what kind of light it is. What
are the actions associated with that light. Both an evil and a just man
can be lights but the question is lights for who?

> Futhermore, the moon cannot produce light of its own. It receives the
> light from the sun and reflects it! Satan does not receive Jesus'
> light to eventually reflect it.

Well, Genesis does not force us to take this view because it does not
give us this information. This is were I would say that the connection
is being taken too far. We are just told there is a greater and lesser
light.

> To keep the same symbolism, for Satan I would say that a black hole
> describes him well.

That would be to leave Genesis completely and enter General Relativity.
Way outside of the Bible.

> Let'S go back to the parallel:
> Elements found in genesis 1 for Day 4: sources of light during
> darkness: moon, stars & Source of light during daylight: sun. All
> these things are GOOD according to the creation account. These all
> appear in one scene or day.

These are good in the physical realm however in the spiritual realm
darkness is never good. Jesus comes into the world to remove darkness
(John 3:19; 8:12; 12:46).

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12)

Acts 26:18 makes the following parallels: darkness to light, and from
the power of Satan unto God. There are others of course.

When I say there is a parallel between say Creation and Revelation I am
not saying that everything applies. Often times an evil slant is put on
things but we are talking about the devil, the beast, etc. so that
should not surprise.

> Elements in Revelation 12 : 2 characters : Woman clothed with sun,
> moon under her feet, and 12 stars on her crown & red dragon with tail
> taking 1/3 of the stars of heaven to cast them down on earth. The
> same sources of light are here too: sun, moon and stars.There is a
> type of battle/confrontation: Dragon wants to devour the child of the
> woman. Not everything is GOOD here. Obviously, the dragon is not
> good. It's evil. Please notice something : in the scene of the woman:
> there is the sun, the moon and twelve stars. Whereas in the scene of
> the dragon there is only a third of stars being cast down to earth
> (falling stars! Which are in fact space dust or rocks which
> completely vaporates once entering the atmosphere. They are not a
> source of light anymore).
>
> If we keep this parallel, the woman = sun + moon+12 stars on her
> crown & the dragon = 1/3 stars Of heaven (which are in fact
> shooting/falling stars. Which are not luminous sources at all).

They actually are luminous sources. When they fall they are. I think
the point is though that John never makes such a distinction. If you
say that the 1/3 are meteorites does that mean they were not real stars
before the dragons tail took them and thus not real angels before the
fall? (It talks of stars in heaven... the devil takes 1/3.) The Greek
word used in all cases is the same 'astar' and so assuming some are
'real' stars and some are not introduces into the text a discontinuity
that is otherwise not there. I believe that this at least shows that
perhaps we are placing to much emphasis on "sources of light" always
being for the good and associated with God.

> Notice someting, the woman has all luminous sources with her. The
> dragon got nothing! No sources of light whatsoever!
>
> Mark of the beast section
> Mark of the beast: Revelation 13:16 I would like to draw your
> attention on the fact that the mark can be on the hand or the
> forehead. It's either one or the other.
>
> Seal of God: In all your suggested texts, notice something
> interesting: a sign/symbol on your hand and you forehead. God's seal
> is on both hands and foreheads.

Yes but the references are paralleled with the mark of the beast not
the seal of God.

> There will be indeed I agree with you on that one three types of people:
> 1. Those with the mark of the beast on the hand
> 2. Those with the mark of the beast on their forehead
> 3. Those with the seal of God on both hands and forehead (Ref. John4:23)

Hand -> letter of the law (actions)
forehead -> spirit of the law (character)
(implicitly character -> actions thus forehead -> hand)

As for John 4:23???

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such
to worship him.

> Suggestion to avoid confusion: seperate the two...
>
> God's name=Character=God's law(LOVE)=Seal of God
>
> The conterfeit : Name of the beast=Character of the beast=Laws of the
> beast(selfishness)=Mark of the beast.

Ok. I could do that.

> Parallel between Adam and Christ (touchy subject deals with the
> nature of Christ)
>
> There are limitations again in that parallel. Adam sinned. Christ did not.

That is never brought fourth in this parallel so is not a problem. The
main focus of this parallel is Eve/the church. Adam/Christ end where
Eve/the church begins.

> I'm personally hesitant to make this type of parallel...
> The death, the burial and the resurrestion of the Jesus Christ caused
> the church to exist and gave the disciple something to preach the
> world about. A suggestion: Adam had to be put to sleep in a sort of
> coma ( under anesthesia) in order for God to take a rib to create
> Eve. Christ had to die in order to create the church. The idea of
> self-abnegation for the benefit of others.

So the parallel is good then?

God bless and take care. Thanks once again for the comments Danielle...

In Christ,
James

> That's it! Have a blessed afternoon.
>
> Danielle
>
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