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conn...@centurytel.net
Aug 25, 2011, 11:14:04 PM8/25/11
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Wow,
That was a really neat picture. Thanks.
So we have proven that Aaron, Levi, George and Richard are brothers. Have we proven that they are really related to Jeremiah and Jeremiah's family? Did we surmise this from the ages on a census record or were there any actual documents that proved it.
That was a really neat picture. Thanks.
So we have proven that Aaron, Levi, George and Richard are brothers. Have we proven that they are really related to Jeremiah and Jeremiah's family? Did we surmise this from the ages on a census record or were there any actual documents that proved it.
The document also said that the Drews had only known Fannie before the war but did not know Truman. Mary Drew indicated that Levi drank too much.
A William H Davis said that he knew the family for about 6 years. If Levi had been Charity's son then wouldn't they have been listed as cousins and why didn't the Drews know Truman?
More information brings more mysteries and questions. Still have to get my son to help break apart and upload doc.
Thanks,
Connie
Richard Shults
Aug 26, 2011, 1:22:42 AM8/26/11
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Connie,
This is one of my favorite topics. We have suspected a few different people of being children of Jeremiah Sr. (which for the record we have never proven that the Jeremiah who married a Charity Drew in Orange, Vermont is the same one who is in Livingston County, or that any of these children are his.) The path of clues really seem to lead in that direction though.
None of the death certificates that we are aware of list a father or mother for the children yet, so we are left with trying to put together a puzzle without all the pieces, and are left with only circumstantial evidence to link the children together. I have seen John and William's death certificate, both list no parents at all. I have never seen Jeremiah Jr.'s, George, Aaron, Levi, or Richard's though. Charlotte died before records were kept.
The following is the list of circumstantial evidence to tie the children to Jeremiah.
John: Jeremiah Jr., John, and William all show up together in the first wave of Davis migration to Michigan in the 1840 Census for Saginaw County, Michigan. In the 1850 Census, Jeremiah Jr. and his children are living with John. Although this is not true evidence John and Jeremiah Jr are brothers, it is pretty strong in my opinion.
Jeremiah Jr: Jeremiah is in the initial wave of Davis migration in the 1840 Census for Saginaw County, Michigan with John and William. Jeremiah married Anna Holtslander, and there is a Jacob Holtslander living by Jeremiah Davis Sr. in the 1830 Census for Groveland, Livingston County, New York. Jeremiah is already living with Anna in the 1840 Census.
George: Although George is not in the initial wave of migration, George Davis is proven to be related to Jeremiah Davis Jr. in the 1910 Census for Kochville Township, Saginaw County, Michigan, Page 7B, Line 80. This is the record for Charles Davis who is the son of Jeremiah Jr. Charles is listed as having 3rd Cousins living with him named Ralph Alvord and Edward Alvord. They are great grandchildren of George Davis. So George and Jeremiah Jr are proven to be related.
William: He is in the initial wave of Davis migration in the 1840 Census for Saginaw County, Michigan. William married Mary Whitman, and there is a John Whitman who lived in Livingston County, New York near Jeremiah Davis, Sr. The wife was already living with William in the 1840 Census. The children of William Davis would go on and settle with children from John Davis and the Waters family in the Cheboygan area in a rather large northern migration.
Aaron: Aaron named a son Arman, which as a surname the Davis family intermarried. Aaron also named a son William and George. Aaron lived with George Davis, who has been proved to be related to Jeremiah Jr. A document in Aaron's son's Civil War Pension file for Leonard Davis refers to George Davis as Uncle George. So he is proven to be related to George, who is proven to be related to Jeremiah Jr.
Levi: Levi Davis married Fanny Arman, which the Davis family intermarried with. There is also an Arman living by Jeremiah Sr. in the 1830 Census for Livingston County. Named a son William.
Richard: Richard Davis is in the 1850 Census for Saginaw Township, Saginaw County, Michigan, living with Levi Davis. If Levi is a brother, Richard is as well.
Charlotte (Davis) Arrance: The marriage record for Caroline Davis and Edward Gerrard lists William Arrance and Sally Ann Arrance as witnesses for the marriage, which was conducted at the house of George Davis. Why would William Arrance witness a marriage at George's house unless he was related somehow? William and Charlotte (Arrance) were in the 1850 Census for Midland where everyone can be traced back to Livingston County, New York, living right next door to George. Laura has seen one of Charlotte's children's death certificates that list her as being Charlotte Davis.
That 1850 Census is amazing. I don't know if there is any other like it as I can trace literally every single family in that census back to Livingston County, New York.
How did we prove Levi and Richard though? It seems like our evidence for them is the most circumstantial, though I believe they are related as brothers. Was it in your documents?
I found a person who is going to look up Aaron's pension file for us as well. Hopefully it will list parents. We'll see.
Respectfully,
Rich
This is one of my favorite topics. We have suspected a few different people of being children of Jeremiah Sr. (which for the record we have never proven that the Jeremiah who married a Charity Drew in Orange, Vermont is the same one who is in Livingston County, or that any of these children are his.) The path of clues really seem to lead in that direction though.
None of the death certificates that we are aware of list a father or mother for the children yet, so we are left with trying to put together a puzzle without all the pieces, and are left with only circumstantial evidence to link the children together. I have seen John and William's death certificate, both list no parents at all. I have never seen Jeremiah Jr.'s, George, Aaron, Levi, or Richard's though. Charlotte died before records were kept.
The following is the list of circumstantial evidence to tie the children to Jeremiah.
John: Jeremiah Jr., John, and William all show up together in the first wave of Davis migration to Michigan in the 1840 Census for Saginaw County, Michigan. In the 1850 Census, Jeremiah Jr. and his children are living with John. Although this is not true evidence John and Jeremiah Jr are brothers, it is pretty strong in my opinion.
Jeremiah Jr: Jeremiah is in the initial wave of Davis migration in the 1840 Census for Saginaw County, Michigan with John and William. Jeremiah married Anna Holtslander, and there is a Jacob Holtslander living by Jeremiah Davis Sr. in the 1830 Census for Groveland, Livingston County, New York. Jeremiah is already living with Anna in the 1840 Census.
George: Although George is not in the initial wave of migration, George Davis is proven to be related to Jeremiah Davis Jr. in the 1910 Census for Kochville Township, Saginaw County, Michigan, Page 7B, Line 80. This is the record for Charles Davis who is the son of Jeremiah Jr. Charles is listed as having 3rd Cousins living with him named Ralph Alvord and Edward Alvord. They are great grandchildren of George Davis. So George and Jeremiah Jr are proven to be related.
William: He is in the initial wave of Davis migration in the 1840 Census for Saginaw County, Michigan. William married Mary Whitman, and there is a John Whitman who lived in Livingston County, New York near Jeremiah Davis, Sr. The wife was already living with William in the 1840 Census. The children of William Davis would go on and settle with children from John Davis and the Waters family in the Cheboygan area in a rather large northern migration.
Aaron: Aaron named a son Arman, which as a surname the Davis family intermarried. Aaron also named a son William and George. Aaron lived with George Davis, who has been proved to be related to Jeremiah Jr. A document in Aaron's son's Civil War Pension file for Leonard Davis refers to George Davis as Uncle George. So he is proven to be related to George, who is proven to be related to Jeremiah Jr.
Levi: Levi Davis married Fanny Arman, which the Davis family intermarried with. There is also an Arman living by Jeremiah Sr. in the 1830 Census for Livingston County. Named a son William.
Richard: Richard Davis is in the 1850 Census for Saginaw Township, Saginaw County, Michigan, living with Levi Davis. If Levi is a brother, Richard is as well.
Charlotte (Davis) Arrance: The marriage record for Caroline Davis and Edward Gerrard lists William Arrance and Sally Ann Arrance as witnesses for the marriage, which was conducted at the house of George Davis. Why would William Arrance witness a marriage at George's house unless he was related somehow? William and Charlotte (Arrance) were in the 1850 Census for Midland where everyone can be traced back to Livingston County, New York, living right next door to George. Laura has seen one of Charlotte's children's death certificates that list her as being Charlotte Davis.
That 1850 Census is amazing. I don't know if there is any other like it as I can trace literally every single family in that census back to Livingston County, New York.
How did we prove Levi and Richard though? It seems like our evidence for them is the most circumstantial, though I believe they are related as brothers. Was it in your documents?
I found a person who is going to look up Aaron's pension file for us as well. Hopefully it will list parents. We'll see.
Respectfully,
Rich
Laura Twilliger
Jan 8, 2012, 4:05:46 PM1/8/12
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Information and questions regarding the William Davis and Mary Whitman Family.
This is my tree for Mary Whitman.
The 1850 Census for Midland, Midland, Michigan is only two pages long, but includes several Davis and Whitman families. Included on this census are George, Charlotte and William Davis.
(So, this is another sibling connection for us)
George Davis and Rachel Davis
William Arrance and Charlotte Davis
William Davis and Mary Whitman
(And I do have a marriage record for James Arnce (Arrance) that show his parents as William Arnce and Charlotte Davis)
But what is also interesting is the Whitman families that are included: John, Robert and Nathan Whitman.
Now look at the 1860 Census from Mary's page.
The Whitman families included are Harvey, Robert, and George..
Now look at the tree I have created for John Whitman and Dorcas Davis.
Their children are: Laura, John, Nathan, Harvey, Robert, George and Sarah.
In addition, I found this page on-line:
You would think Mary would have to be part of this family. But I cannot find any information on-line, or on any ancestry trees that include Mary in this family. So if she is not in this family, what family is part of and how is she related to all of these siblings that she is living close-by to? Or is
she actually one of the Whitman siblings?
And what is her real date of death. The death certificate I have shows she was 98 years old when she died, but that cannot be correct based on the census records I have and the ages of her children. And if you look at the 1900 census, where she is living with Edwin, it shows her year of birth as 1825. ( I believe her year of birth may be closeer to 1822 as a first -born daughter was born in 1837.)
So I am confused about the Whitman connection.
Now for some information you may or may not know
Based on the 1860 U.S. Federal Census Mortality Schedule, 3 of William and Mary kids died during 1859, Mary, William, and Freeman.
Their daughter, Mary, died during child birth. Do you think the daughter Julia, listed as age 1 on the 1860 census is William and Mary's daughter, or their granddaughter?
When did William Davis Sr. die? I don't have anything for that. (I see some Ancestry trees that show July 1859, but I think that death is that of his son William
Jr).
And where is Mary on the 1870 and 1880 censuses? I see where Edwin is living with John A Whitman and family on the 1870 census for Midland. (Again, what is the connection between Mary and John?)
As I have mentioned in a previous email, any census for 1860 that has "Charles H Grant" as the census enumerator is "suspect". The 1860 census for Tittabawassee was done by Charles. And some of the names and ages don't quite add up. Henry (who married Mary Ann Walters Davis), I believe is the son of William Davis and Mary Whitman, based on two marriager records and a death record. His year of birth should be about 1856. On the 1860 census, he is not listed, but a son "John" age 10 is. Is John our "Henry"? A "Mary" Davis, age 5, is listed on the 1860 census, but wasn't their first
child (who died during child birth) named Mary?
However. I did find something interesting which I did not know.
Lovina Davis (daughter of William and Mary) married George Walters, brother of Mary Ann.
That's all I got for now. If someone can add more clarity to the above, please let me
know!
Laura
Laura Twilliger
Jan 8, 2012, 4:15:49 PM1/8/12
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Added note:
Make sure you click on the "View Image" button on the first link about Lovina Davis.
It will show the bride's name as "Mrs Geo. Walters".
Also, I believe it incorrectly says "Lovina Davis" is Lovina's mother, rather than Mary Whitman.
Laura Twilliger
Jan 8, 2012, 4:28:59 PM1/8/12
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Rich was able to give me the following date of death for William, 18 Apr 1867, and I found the following death Michigan death record:
Richard Shults
Jan 8, 2012, 5:06:26 PM1/8/12
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1900 Census says that Mary Whitman-Davis had 11 children, 4 of which are still alive. We have a ton of digging to do if that is accurate as we're missing a bunch of kids.
Perhaps the two Peter Davis'? Sorry..... that is my thought whenever a "missing" Davis comes up.
Perhaps the two Peter Davis'? Sorry..... that is my thought whenever a "missing" Davis comes up.
Laura Twilliger
Jan 8, 2012, 6:09:03 PM1/8/12
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I have a feeling there were not any Peter Davis's. Those Peter Davis's all showed up on th e 1860 census which was badly done by the census enumerator Charles H Grant.
Richard Shults
Jan 17, 2012, 4:58:26 PM1/17/12
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It's entirely speculation on my part, but a large section of Davis' seem to disappear in 1870. Aaron, Levi, Mary (Whitman) Davis. I have no idea where any of these people are, but I haven't went through the 1870 census page by page to look for them either in case of transcription errors.
Laura Twilliger
Jan 18, 2012, 10:45:25 AM1/18/12
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I, too, have noticed that there are a lot of missing families on the 1870 census.
However, Aaron is not missing, I have him living iwith his family in Homer, Midland, Michigan.
Laura
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Subject: Re: Information and Questions regarding the William Davis and Mary Whitman Family
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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Information and Questions regarding the William Davis and Mary Whitman Family
It's entirely speculation on my part, but a large section of Davis' seem to disappear in 1870. Aaron, Levi, Mary (Whitman) Davis. I have no idea where any of these people are, but I haven't went through the 1870 census page by page to look for them either in case of transcription errors.
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Laura Twilliger <ltwil...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Information and questions regarding the William Davis and Mary Whitman Family.This is my tree for Mary Whitman.The 1850 Census for Midland, Midland, Michigan is only two pages long, but includes several Davis and Whitman families. Included on this census are George, Charlotte and William Davis.(So, this is another sibling connection for us)George Davis and Rachel DavisWilliam Arrance and Charlotte DavisWilliam Davis and Mary Whitman(And I do have a marriage record for James Arnce (Arrance) that show his parents as William Arnce and Charlotte Davis)But what is also interesting is the Whitman families that are included: John, Robert and Nathan Whitman.Now look at the 1860 Census from Mary's page.The Whitman families included are Harvey, Robert, and George..Now look at the tree I have created for John Whitman and Dorcas Davis.Their children are: Laura, John, Nathan, Harvey, Robert, George and Sarah.In addition, I found this page on-line:
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