Are the old TBL archives still somewhere out there?

[ivn...@gmail.com]

Hi!  This is a bit historical.  On my computer I still have TBL digest emails from about 2001 to 2011, around 2.5k digests in total.  I'm trying to decide whether to keep or delete them.  Are the old archives available somewhere?  Is Steve Manes still here?  What happened to magpie.com?  Should we even try to preserve this slice of history or just let it go?  Thanks for your thoughts.

Ivan

[erikha...@gmail.com]

I should have all the ones from me and Kevin’s run, pre Steve, and I think Steve had them all on magpie.  I’m pretty sure Steve is still around.  My copies of the old emails might be online, I’ll check.

Erik

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 6:24 AM <ivn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi!  This is a bit historical.  On my computer I still have TBL digest emails from about 2001 to 2011, around 2.5k digests in total.  I'm trying to decide whether to keep or delete them.  Are the old archives available somewhere?  Is Steve Manes still here?  What happened to magpie.com?  Should we even try to preserve this slice of history or just let it go?  Thanks for your thoughts.

Ivan

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[Mike Harrison]

Steve Manes is admin of The Bottom Line group on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tbl.bass/members/

[Steve Manes]

Still here.  TBL was moved to a Facebook group, The Bottom Line: https://www.facebook.com/groups/tbl.bass/

MAGPIE.COM was sold to a British record company a couple of years ago. 

[Steve Manes]

The archives on Google Groups are on the Google Groups home page however there wasn't much traffic in GG. 

I have the pre-GG TBL messages going back to Jan 1996 in a MySQL table.  Anyone who wants it is welcome to a copy.

-S

On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 8:24:46 AM UTC-4, ivn...@gmail.com wrote:

[Edwin Hurwitz]

> On Oct 16, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Steve Manes <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The archives on Google Groups are on the Google Groups home page however there wasn't much traffic in GG.
>
> I have the pre-GG TBL messages going back to Jan 1996 in a MySQL table. Anyone who wants it is welcome to a copy.
>
> -S

I’d like a copy.

Hm. January 1996. That’s when Fingers was letting me have it, accusing me of all kinds of wonderful things. Ah, memories…..

I have a few digests from 1995.

Edwin
PS. I still have the masters from the TBL compilations.

[Toby Gray]

Carol Kate's posts would be worth having in a file. I saved a few :-)

[TR Kelley]

That was fun times. Dunno why we can't make it go again, but it feels like when the internet took a step forward, all the little mom&pop formats died and the big shiny audio/video stuff took up all the previously intimate conversational space where long thoughtful paragraphs once grooved. I fondly remember TBL and my 9.6 dial-up connection. :)

TR Kelley - Randy Hamme The Raventones t...@raventones.com www.raventones.com 15539 Stagecoach Rd Swisshome OR 97480 Get your own email signature

[Bill Rizzi]

    Facebook => slow death of email lists.

    Z

[Steve Manes]

It was tough maintaining the craggy mailing list software, the updates,
the bounces, the increasing stream of spammers and the approvals and the
old Magpie listserve software couldn't support multi-media or even rich
text, which got to be a problem too because MIME posts were bouncing back.

But people were also losing interest in mailing lists. I used to run
seven lists, from TBL to Triumph Motorcycles, Motorcycle Safety to a NYC
Sushi list. In its hey day, we had 1800 TBL subscribers of which about
5% were active posters (that's a good average). But as the lists started
to die of loneliness I shut them down as people fled to dedicated URLs
and forum software elsewhere. TBL was the last man standing.

When I got a consulting job with a security clearance I was "persuaded"
to shut down all remote access to the server so I moved TBL to Google
Groups where i had to restart the subscriber database from scratch.
After a couple of months of posting "Resubscribe now!" messages on the
list only about 150 out of 1600+ has resubbed. Ten years later, it's up
to 586 but few people post to it.

To be honest, TBL on Facebook is very slow as well. There's way too much
competition for bass pages there with lots of granularity like dedicated
pages for Pre-1960 Fender Basses.

When I have some time I'll move the TBL digest SQL table to Dropbox and
post a public link to it for anyone who wants to build a reader or even
restart the mailing list.

-S

[erikha...@gmail.com]

Here's what I have, it looks like there is at least one digest missing, and we renumbered when we handed off to Steve?

http://www.habbinga.com/tbl/tbl1991.zip

http://www.habbinga.com/tbl/tbl1992.zip

http://www.habbinga.com/tbl/tbl1993.zip

http://www.habbinga.com/tbl/tbl1994.zip

http://www.habbinga.com/tbl/tbl1995.zip

http://www.habbinga.com/tbl/tbl1996.zip

Erik

[Toby Gray]

Ah, the spirits of Woogie, Fingers, Carol, and that socially challenged Jeff fellow, lol!

[David B Teague sr]

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Subject:	Re: [TBL] Are the old TBL archives still somewhere out there?
Date:	Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:54:35 -0400
From:	David B Teague sr <davidb...@comporium.net>
To:	er...@habbinga.com <erikha...@gmail.com>

Er...@habbinga.com wrote, in part:

"When I have some time I'll move the TBL digest SQL table to Dropbox and
post a public link to it for anyone who wants to build a reader or even
restart the mailing list."

I'm been having trouble with Dropbox not syncing since early Summer. They are not helping much.  If anyone can help me on this issue, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, please do not move there. If you do, I'll lose access. 
-- David

-- 
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do wop, do wop, do wop! -- Duke Ellington

[Steve Manes]

Here's a Dropbox link to the Magpie TBL archives. It's nine years of
posts to TBL (1996-01-29 - 2005-12-31) and 73,198 messages. The zip file
is 89MB.

Download link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/loxxbjt5qgrwdpg/tblsql.zip?dl=0

Instructions:
1. Unzip tblsql.zip

2. Create a MySQL database:
echo "create database `tbl`" | mysql -u username -p

3. Import the table:
mysql -u username -p tbl < path/tbl.sql

This is the structure:
+-------------+--------------+------+-----+------------+----------------+
| Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra |
+-------------+--------------+------+-----+------------+----------------+
| recno | int(11) | NO | PRI | NULL | auto_increment |
| digest_seq | int(11) | NO | MUL | 0 | |
| postdate | date | NO | MUL | 0000-00-00 | |
| volume | int(11) | NO | MUL | 0 | |
| number | int(11) | NO | | 0 | |
| email | varchar(50) | NO | MUL | | |
| realname | varchar(50) | YES | | NULL | |
| hdr_date | varchar(50) | YES | | NULL | |
| hdr_subject | varchar(100) | YES | | NULL | |
| message | text | YES | | NULL | |
+-------------+--------------+------+-----+------------+----------------+

Good luck!

[ivn...@gmail.com]

Thanks!  I used to work with databases, I think I'll give it a try one of these days.  Messages up to 2005 were sent from "bass-dig...@magpie.com".  Looks like I unsubscribed some time in 2005, when I returned in 2007 the digest sender's address was "bass06-...@magpie.com".  What about that period, (I presume from 2006) up to 05 Nov 2008 when you moved the list to GG?  Is it in another database?

[Steve Manes]

There's a two year gap where messages were neither in the archive nor on
Google Groups. They were lost in a disk crash which took out the backup
server as well.

[David B Teague sr]

Erik and all
Sorry about the very late reply. Please respond if you get this and care to do so.
I hope this raises someone.
--- David B Teague

[erikha...@gmail.com]

David!

I'm still here, and do have the 1991-1996 (when I turned it over to Steve) TBLs online.

Erik

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[Steve Manes]

The post-Eric TBL digests are archived as SQL (MySQL):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gvj0opb3dlz5l5h/tblsql.zip?dl=0

I also want to remind folks that TBL is a Facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tbl.bass

-S