Seatravel in 1 Nephi wasthesame as the sea travel in Ether

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> Michael wrote in1996

> >>>Going back about 50 years, I seem to remember that the vessel they
> >>>traveled in was somewhat like asubmarineand had lots of food and
> >>>water and animals in it, etc., but I forgot the details.

Nick Youngh answered
>
> The seatravel in Ether 2 is the same story as in 1 Nephi 18. Compare
>
> THE CALLING
>
> > Ether 2:16 And the Lord said: Go to work and build, after the manner
> > of barges which ye have hitherto built.
> >> 1Nephi 17:8 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto me, saying:
> >> Thou shalt aconstruct a ship, after the bmanner which I shall show thee,
> >> that I may carry thy people across these waters.
>
> THE SHIPBUILDING

> > Ether 2: 16 And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did go to work and > also his brethren, and built barges after the manner which they had built,
> > according to the instructions of the Lord. And they were small, and they were light upon the water, even like unto the lightness of a fowl upon > the water.
> > 17 And they were built after a manner that they were exceedingly
> > tight, even that they would hold water like unto a dish; and the
> > bottom thereof was tight like unto a dish; and the sides thereof were
> > tight like unto a dish; and the ends thereof were peaked; and the top
> > thereof was tight like unto a dish; and the length thereof was the
> > length of a tree; and the door thereof, when it was shut, was tight
> > like unto a dish.
> > > 1Nepi18: 1 And it came to pass that they did aworship the Lord, and
> > >did go forth with me; and we did work timbers of curious workmanship. And
> > >the Lord did show me from time to time after what manner I should work
> > > the timbers of the Schip.
> > >2 Now I, Nephi, did not work the timbers after the manner which was
> > >learned by men, neither did I build the ship after the manner of men;
> > >but I did build it after the manner which the Lord had shown unto me;
> > >wherefore, it was not after the manner of men.
>
> THE ORE, LIGHT, AIR AND TOOLS

> > Ether 2:19 And behold, O Lord, in them there is no light; whither shall we
> > steer? And also we shall perish, for in them we cannot breathe, save
> > it is the air which is in them; therefore we shall perish.
> > 20 And the Lord said unto the brother of Jared: Behold, thou shalt
> > make a hole in the top, and also in the bottom; and when thou shalt
> > suffer for air thou shalt unstop the hole and receive air. And if it
> > be so that the water come in upon thee, behold, ye shall stop the
> > hole, that ye may not perish in the flood.
> > Ether 3:1 AND it came to pass that the brother of Jared, (now the number of > the vessels which had been prepared was eight) went forth unto the mount, >which they called the mount Shelem, because of its exceeding height, and >did molten out of a rock sixteen small stones; and they were white and >clear, even as transparent glass; and he did carry them in his hands upon >the top of the mount, and cried again unto the Lord, saying:
> >4 And I know, O Lord, therefore touch these stones, with thy finger, and >prepare them that they may shine forth in darkness; and they shall shine >forth unto us in the vessels which we have prepared, that we may have light > while we shall cross the sea.
> > 6 And it came to pass that when the brother of Jared had said these
> > words, behold, the Lord stretched forth his hand and touched the
> > stones one by one with his finger. And the veil was taken from off the
> > eyes of the brother of Jared, and he saw the finger of the Lord; and
> > it was as the finger of a man, like unto flesh and blood; and the
> > brother of Jared fell down before the Lord, for he was struck with
> > fear.
> > Ether 6:2 For it came to pass after the Lord had prepared the stones which
> > the brother of Jared had carried up into the mount, the brother of
> > Jared came down out of the mount, and he did put forth the stones into
> > the vessels which were prepared, one in each end thereof; and behold,
> > they did give light unto the vessels.
> > 6:3 And thus the Lord caused stones to shine in darkness, to give
> > light unto men, women, and children, that they might not cross the
> > great waters in darkness.
> > >1Nephi 17: 9 And I said: Lord, whither shall I go that I may find or >> to molten,that I may make atools to construct the ship after the manner
> > > which thou hast shown unto me?
> > > 10 And it came to pass that the Lord told me whither I should go to
> > > find ore, that I might make tools.
> > > 11 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did make a bellows wherewith
> > > to ablow the fire, of the skins of beasts; and after I had made a
> > > bellows, that I might have wherewith to blow the fire, I did smite two
> > > stones together that I might make fire.
> > > 16 And it came to pass that I did amake tools of the ore which I did
> > > molten out of the rock.
>
> MURMURRING BROTHERS
>
> > >1Nephi 17:17 And when my brethren saw that I was about to abuild
> a >> ship, they began to bmurmur against me, saying: Our brother is
> a fool, for >> he thinketh that he can build a ship; yea, and he also
> thinketh that he can cross these great waters.

> There are no verses in Ether of Murmering nor revolting brothers, but
> their complaints look like the complaints of the brother of Jared above
> against the Lord bout the ships specification. So Nephi possibly was
> not the brother of Jared but Jared himself and that his brother called
> him Lord, makes me think again, that Nephi was the son of Pharao and
> the Lord was Pharao Necho.
>
> THE SEATRAVEL
> PROVIAND
>
> > Ether 6:4 And it came to pass that when they had prepared all manner of
> > food, that thereby they might subsist upon the water, and also food
> > for their flocks and herds, and whatsoever beast or animal or fowl
> > that they should carry with them--and it came to pass that when they
> > had done all these things they got aboard of their vessels or barges,
> > and set forth into the sea, commending themselves unto the Lord their
> > God.
> >> 1 Nephi 18:5 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto
> >> my father, that we should arise and go down into the ship.
> >> 6 And it came to pass that on the morrow, after we had prepared all
> >> things, much fruits and ameat from the wilderness, and honey in
> >>abundance, and provisions according to that which the Lord had
> >> commanded us, we did go down into the ship, with all our loading and
> >> our bseeds, and whatsoever thing we had brought with us, every one
> >>according to his age; wherefore, we did all go down into the cship,
> >> with our wives and our children.
>
> THE STORM
>
> > Ether 6:5 And it came to pass that the Lord God caused that there should
> > be a furious wind blow upon the face of the waters, towards the promised
> > land; and thus they were tossed upon the waves of the sea before the
> > wind.
> >> 1 Nephi18:13 insomuch that there arose a great astorm, yea, a great and >>terrible tempest, and we were bdriven back upon the waters for the space of
> >> three days; and they began to be frightened exceedingly lest they
> >> should be drowned in the sea; nevertheless they did not loose me.
> >> 14 And on the fourth day, which we had been driven back, the tempest
> >> began to be exceedingly sore.
>
> Ether 6:6 And it came to pass that they were many times buried in the
> depths
> > of the sea, because of the mountain waves which broke upon them,
> and
> > also the great and terrible tempests which were caused by the
> > fierceness of the wind.
>
> > 6:7 And it came to pass that when they were buried in the deep there
>
> > was no water that could hurt them, their vessels being tight like
> unto
> > a dish, and also they were tight like unto the ark of Noah;
> therefore
> > when they were encompassed about by many waters they did cry unto
> the
> > Lord, and he did bring them forth again upon the top of the
> waters.
>
> >>1Nephi 18:15 And it came to pass that we were about to be swallowed up >> in the depths of the sea. And after we had been driven back upon the >> waters for the space of four days, my brethren began to asee that the
> >> judgments of God were upon them, and that they must perish save that
> >> they should repent of their iniquities; wherefore, they came unto me,
> > >and loosed the bands which were upon my wrists, and behold they had
> > >swollen exceedingly; and also mine ankles were much swollen, and great
> > >was the soreness thereof.
>
> THE STUDY WINDS
>
> > Ether 6:8 And it came to pass that the wind did never cease to blow towards
> > the promised land while they were upon the waters; and thus they were
> > driven forth before the wind.
> >> 1 Nephi18: 8 And it came to pass after we had all gone down into the ship, >> had taken with us our provisions and things which had been commanded
> >>us, we did put forth into the asea and were driven forth before the
> >>wind towards the promised land.
>
> THE TRAVELTIME
>
> > Ether 6:11 And thus they were driven forth, three hundred and forty and four
> > days upon the water.
> > Ether 6:12 And they did land upon the shore of the promised land.
> >> 1Nephi 18: 23 And it came to pass that after we had sailed for the space of
> >> many days *we did arrive at the apromised land; and we went forth upon
> >> the land, and did pitch our tents; and we did call it the promised
> >> land.
>
> PLANTING AND HARVESTING
>
> > Ether 6:13 And it came to pass that they went forth upon the face of the
> > land, and began to till the earth.
> >>.1Nephi 18: 24 And it came to pass that we did begin to till the earth, and >> we began to plant seeds; yea, we did put all our aseeds into the earth,
> >> which we had brought from the land of Jerusalem. And it came to pass
> >> that they did grow exceedingly; wherefore, we were blessed in
> >> abundance.
>
> CONCLUSION
>
> By just putting the verses of Nephi and Ether togrther it will be
> obvious to everybody that these two stories about a seajourney are the
> same.
> However some stories in 1 Nephi are not mentionned in Ether, like the
> murmurrings of Nephi's brothers and the story of the compass Liahona,
> which I earlier indentified as a armillar globe.