Tx Peace and Dignity 2012 – Conference Call #2 Notes
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Tx Peace and Dignity 2012 – Conference Call #2 Notes
Wed 5/18/11 @ 7:30 p.m. CST
PRESENT:
Iris Rodriguez Austin
Angela Sanchez Houston
David Two Feathers San Antonio
Bianca Rivera Houston
Carlos Gonzales San Antonio
Monica Villareal Houston
Monica Chacon El Paso
Ernesto Chacon El Paso
Laura Rios Austin
Jose Malvido Califas
DISCUSSION OVERVIEW:
Bianca 3 weeks with staff
70 miles/day
coming down from oklahoma city to texas
we need to organize from oklahoma or do it ourselves
he has main core runners
we would supplement other runners if we wanted to
if route being proposed a certain way, main runners…what do we do?
Brainstorm where staffs should go?
focusing on waters
Ernesto have gathering in el paso this weekend, pdj came up
in years prior been active
some situations runners from 92 enoucntered
in 92, first run…people from el paso gotten key to city and done other things for runners to announce them here
police escorts
runners decided to stay in tortuga new mexico, 40 miles away
never showed up for ceremonies there
they had their own agenda
a whole year of planning for runners, then didn’t show up just threw everything off…folks were upset
don’t want those things to happen
need to get word for them re: making on time or not so we can have things prepared
sometimes we need to have things structured to whwere they have to arrive ata certain time
president at university, wants runners through universtiy
some of the issues that have come up in past
told him, don’t worry until they get there then
route that we decide, if we provide runners too
we should decide what we want then coordinate as much as we can
since its going to be run for the ater
maybe the message should be sent to canada that maybe sent to canada
carry huge gord with waters that each place its going
can be drops, to solidify the prayer and the journey from the water from all areas
Bianca we should decide we want to be…supplemental or self sufficient
we thought we were receiving staffs, didn't know it was a mandate that we would receive runners
a lot of people willing to run
Ernesto in 2008, ran staffs into ernesto's property
need to give us heads up what they want to do ceremonieal wise
Bianca usually run tipis, sweats, ceremonies
where is this route going to go
texas is huge
proposed route is oklahoma to eagle pass
Ernesto coming from three directions
Bianca we arent sure of route
Ernesto from el paso…eagle pass from el paso to laredo
want all three directions?
had envisioned running from el paso to austin
panhandle to austin
san anto to laredo
having as far south as we can
Bianca they want to go to mexico
okalhoma city to dallas, austin, san anto, eagle pass and mexico
what is OUR vision of the route?
should be thinking about the waters
Laura eagle pass into mexico
as far as safety of the runners
laredo and el paso dangerous
el paso sholdnt get skipped
but can meet up in austin/dallas, then down
Bianca three weeks
70 miles a day
have to decide main route
up and down through the state
don’t see ok through houston, wrapping around
have to be down across
main water point yanaguana
could be nice to touch gulf
Laura coordinate ceremonia for gulf waters
atlachinolli water ceremony
people from san marcos, austin brought spring waters
waters from their ceremonial spaces and brought from there
instead of running from each part, taking waters from each place
Angela how much time we have
what is logistically possible with that time
if there are other locations, based on what main route then planning would be how long it would take THEM to meet with the route
important to keep those routes clear, if cars do break down
if a lot of looping, car break down then really far away
if we are supplemental or if we have say so, depends who we approach
Laura prepare for the unexpected
$5-7000 month
have a pot of surplus funding for emergencies
helping to get non profit aspect
met with indigenous cultures institute to bring them on as fiscal sponsor
$5-7000 is reasonable
Monica maria and mario would be good
whole board/non profit is board
Laura were a part of first pdj through US
have expensive contracts in el paso
grants and open to fundraising action
bianca talking hip hop show incorporated so that each particular leg can have its own separate pot
have structure to model this by
need to decide route
anyone has other non profits?
dr mario should be on call…
Angela need clarification of the extend of our role
people should submit wishlist of spaces/waters we should hit
if we do have sayso, juxtapose wishlist with theirs
Ernesto we should consider the spots we want to have ceremony in
how long it will take and water points
in el paso, hueco tanks
need to figure out where the core people that are putting this together, where they want to have ceremony
if they are asking us to go through eagle pass, to see if the
they shouldn’t plan where they want to run in texas
Bianca easy to have tipi in san anto
jose wasn’t even planning to go through el paso
Ernesto ceremony takes time, have to decide those locations
timeline for that
Laura incorporate extra 12-36 hours for each stop
Ernesto when they came to el paso, all of a sudden a lot of people/runners didn’t have right paperwork to cross into mexico
didn’t have vehicles to cross, no birth certificates
stayed 7-8 days while parents sent things trhough mail
make sure runners have their stuff together
Iris community prayers
Ernesto every full moon, standard ceremony/prayer
individual prayers as they see fit
Laura water prayer in each area on full moon or offering to spring/body of water
to focus on water
collective prayer, putting intention
Ernesto every full moon, standard ceremony/prayer on healing of the waters
get jarrito of water source and put prayer into it every full moon
collect those prayers
by the time journey passes by, we have water we want, energized it with our prayers
Monica once prayer is done, a little more of collected/prayed water put back into source
so prayer will continue to be there
recognizes collective effor through prayer
ultimate prayer, goal is for waters…so waters know intent
our intention is to heal waters, ourself, and community
Ernesto energize water every full moon
get together, put those waters in main containers
then we each take drops back on our own water jar
then do ceremony on own water there on another full moon and drops for every direction
intention is most important thing
Laura water intention is magnified
Ernesto if any of us go to canada to the main meeting that we can carry that message, that maybe all communities can do that
if they have their onw water jug then unite it with us
then energy from all US and canada and on south
is anyone from texas gong to canada?
we have good things to share with them
since it’s the healing of the waters
hopi had water hole drying up, virgin would gather water, bring it to source, ceremony circulated back to water source
same intention to spread saem message to all the americas
would have to be female carrying the water
Iris will recap
will send notes
will send maps
Ernesto hosts determine what happens
Monica how route would happen without texas anyway
texas would need idea of how we can make it possible in a good way
so that we can have smooth ride
Bianca everybody has to sacrifice to go to the staffs
that is why jose wants to come through with set of runners
cant do it in three weeks
we would have to check routes ourselves
people have to go OUT and go support
have to take time out from work
other people willing to come out on points
Ernesto ID each places to do ceremony/run
have some runners running toward central
Laura should we set deadline to propose route
Ernesto ID each places to do ceremony/run
then route will reveal itself
Ernesto 3 weeks can get shortened
if we can run for them then we can run for them in texas and get there faster
Monica handful of people already willing to travel and run
need jose on the line, on the phone
we would like to have a say so and have a proposal path as well
talk about running volunteers
Ernesto runners from houston to austin/san anto
runners meet in san anto, then eagle pass
el paso to eagle pass
Monica main place was san anto and austin, yanaguana and capitol
Bianca proposed route is oklahoma to eagle pass
900 miles
tributary runs but need to decide main staff route
collectively decided
Jose Malvido highly unlikely not through el paso
minnesoty through central part
british columbia throught washington
route that specifically west to east and north not the way it goes
ceremonially not go backwards
try not to retrace steps back
route is not getting rid of el paso, adding additional route through texas
additional route will split in minnesota through midwest, join route coming from chicago
then got through oklahoma and texs
three lines into mexico from different places
route into central part of mexico
route of central texas will merge with el paso route in monterrey
we have to organize nebraska and oklahoma
Laura routes coming into texas from the noth are already mappen ot
maps texas into mexico all mapped out
we puzzle piece connecting north into mexico
Jose Malvido just sent out baseline
will be core runners
we have three weeks
Ernesto last time we had issue crossing through juarez bc of violence
still wanting to cross through?
Jose Malvido crossed in 2008 and 2004
not sure if anything changed
entering through 2 parts of texas
entering through el paso
Ernesto juarez is most dangerous city in world right now
not comfortable runing runners through there
Laura safest border is eagle pass
Jose Malvido discussed avoiding juarez
Ernesto what is the route from the north
Laura route already established from north to south
Bianca propse everything then email it and let jose review it and shedule another time to talk about it
Jose Malvido not sure can do run from el paso to eagle pass
Monica tentative june 1
communicate via email re route
Jose Malvido will figure out what kind of water ceremonies will be had…discussed in canada
canada meet
Ernesto will leave it