a supplementary table with examples of good and bad postings

[Giovanni Marco Dall'Olio]

Hello,
as the manuscript is more or less in a stable form now, I would like
to proceed to another phase.
Let's create a supplementary table with examples of good and bad postings.

The example posted by Marino can be a good start:
"""
Dear all, I am experiencing some troubles with the purification of my
protein from E.coli. During the washing step with 50mM imidazole I
loose quite a lot of protein. Now, I know that this concentration of
imidazole is quite high, but if I use less I have more contaminants in
my elution. Therefore I ask you if you have an idea of how to solve
this little problem. Thanks everyone.
"""

For every example, we will have to provide an explanation on why it is
good or bad, specially for the bad examples.
A preliminary table is already available at:
- http://www.wikigenes.org/e/art/e/144.html

For this last phase, I will send a second call to some mailing lists
and communities that have not been involved yet.
I think that if we can include some 10-20 examples and finish the
table, the manuscript will be more or less ready to be sent.

--
Giovanni Dall'Olio, phd student
Department of Biologia Evolutiva at CEXS-UPF (Barcelona, Spain)

My blog on bioinformatics: http://bioinfoblog.it

[Khader Shameer]

Hi Giovanni and all:

Good to note the progress of the article.

I am afraid explicitly selecting set of bad questions asked by others and publishing it in an article without proper permission may not be a good idea.
I would recommend we may mock-up some good/bad question or get proper permission from concerned person/mailing list before including in the article

Share your thoughts.
Also please add few more rows to the table: http://www.wikigenes.org/e/art/e/139.html

Thanks
KS

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[Pierre Poulain]

Dear all,

> I am afraid explicitly selecting set of bad questions asked by others and
> publishing it in an article without proper permission may not be a good
> idea.

I am also concerned about the right to quote people without permission.
Indeed, most mailing list archives are freely available on the web but I guess
a quote (especially for a bad example) could be "insulting" for the author
of the message.
A workaround could be to make out ourselves bad and good messages
(based on real ones).

Pierre

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[Giovanni Marco Dall'Olio]

Hello,
I agree, it would be safer to make out some bad and good questions. Most ML and forums contents are released under free licenses, but it is better if we don't make references to any real person :-)

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[J M]

I think it's more simple: we all have read many good and bad questions on the forums, so we can just write examples, not real ones!!

2011/4/14 Khader Shameer <skh...@gmail.com>

[Melanie Stefan]

Hi all,

I agree with Khader. But on top of that, I don't even think such a table would be necessary or even helpful. On the contrary, I think it would verge on the patronising. The article itself is clear enough, I don't think much can be gained from an additional table like this.

Best,
Melanie

[Kevin L. Keys]

I agree with Melanie. if we do decide to include the table, then let us refrain from using actual questions. those who posed them might not appreciate our judgement.

KLK

2011/4/14 Melanie Stefan <nij...@gmx.net>

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A bit beyond perception's reach
I sometimes believe I see
that Life is two locked boxes, each
containing the other's key.

~Piet Hein

[Colin Gillespie]

On 14 April 2011 19:07, Melanie Stefan <nij...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I agree with Khader. But on top of that, I don't even think such a table
> would be necessary or even helpful. On the contrary, I think it would verge
> on the patronising.

I completely agree. It could come across as very patronising.

Colin

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[J M]

Hi,

I think that rule n.1 has been edited quite a lot, and I think it was more complete, fluently and better written before. Would be possible to see the text that has been removed or is it lost?

Thanks

2011/4/14 Colin Gillespie <csgil...@gmail.com>

[Giovanni Marco Dall'Olio]

Hello Jacopo,
of course you can; have a look at the 'History' function in the lateral menu.
If you prefer, we can use the mailing list to discuss about a single specific rule.
What was the version that you liked more?

[Giovanni Marco Dall'Olio]

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Colin Gillespie <csgil...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 14 April 2011 19:07, Melanie Stefan <nij...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I agree with Khader. But on top of that, I don't even think such a table
> would be necessary or even helpful. On the contrary, I think it would verge
> on the patronising.

I completely agree. It could come across as very patronising.

ok, nobody likes the idea of the second table. I understand :-)

The original way I conceived the manuscript was probably even more patronizing than that. I wanted to put a series of DOs and DO NOTs that could be used by other mailing lists and communities as examples for their FAQs. However, now I realize that this would have been not really appropriate for a academic paper.

If we do not proceed with the table, then we should decide how to continue with the manuscript. I'll write another mail with a proposal.