[racchabanda] పతంజలి - నంది - చాటు కథ
J. K. Mohana Rao
పతంజలి - నంది - చాటుకథ
నందినిగుఱించి ఒక చాటుకథ. పతంజలి యోగశాస్త్రమును
రచించిన మహాముని. అతనికి ఒకనాడు పరమేశ్వరుని
సందర్శించవలయునను అభిలాష ఉదయించెను. కైలాస
ద్వారమునకు వెళ్ళెను. ఎవరు ఈశ్వరుని చూడవలయునన్నను,
నంది అనుమతి తీసికొని వెళ్ళవలసినదే. నేటి పరిభాషలో
నంది ఈశ్వరునికి పీ. ఏ. అన్న మాట. ఎందుకో గాని నంది
పతంజలికి శివుని దర్శనానికి అనుమతి ఇయ్యలేదు. పతంజలి
అప్పుడు ఆశువుగా ఈశ్వరుని ఒక రూపమైన నటరాజును
ఉద్దేశించి కొన్ని పద్యములను చదివెను. నందికి కొద్దిగా
కోపము తెప్పించే పద్యాలు ఇవి. నిజముగా ఇవి చిత్రకవిత్వపు
కోవకు చెందినది. ఈ పద్యములన్నిటిలో కాలు, కొమ్ము లేవు
అనగా దీర్ఘాక్షరములు లేవు. అనుస్వారము, విసర్గము
మాత్రమే ఇందులో గురువులు. ఆ, ఈ, ఊ, ఏ, ఐ, ఓ, ఔ ఇందులో
లేవు. దీనిని చరణశృంగరహిత నటరాజ స్తోత్రము అని
పిలుతురు. అనగా కాలు కొమ్ము లేని నటరాజ స్తోత్రము అని
అర్థము. మొత్తము పది పద్యాలు ఉన్నాయి. ఇది విన్న శివునికి
సంతృప్తి గలిగి పతంజలికి దర్శనముని ఇచ్చెను.
మచ్చుకు మొదటి పద్యమును క్రింద ఇచ్చుచున్నాను-
సదంచిత ముదంచిత నికుంజిత పదం
ఝలఝలంచిత మంజః కటకం
పతంజలి దృగంజన మనంజన
మచంచల పదం జనన భంజన కరం
కదంబరుచిమంబరవసం
పరమంబుద కదంబక విడంబక గలం
చిదంబుధి మణిం బుధ హృదంబుజ రవిం
పర చిదంబర నటం హృది భజ
సద్భక్తులచే కొనియాడబడువాడు
ముదము నిచ్చు వాడు
నాట్యామాడునప్పుడు వంచబడిన పాదముగలవాడు
నాట్యమాడునప్పుడు సవ్వడిచేయు కడియములు గలవాడు
పతంజలి కన్నులకు కాటుకవంటివాడు
మలినములేనివాడు
అచంచల పదములు గలవాడు
భవనాశనము చేయువాడు
కదంబపుష్పకాంతులు గలిగినవాడు
అంబరమునే అంబరముగా గలవాడు
దట్టమైన మేఘములగుంపును బోలిన కంఠము గలవాడు
చిత్తు అను సముద్రములోని మణియైనవాడు
విజ్ఞుల మానసాంభోజములకు సూర్యునివాంటి వాడు
ఐన చిదంబర నటరాజును
మనస్సులో భజించుచున్నాను.
విధేయుడు - జెజ్జాల కృష్ణ మోహన రావు
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Padmaja G
Wonderful ! Thanks for all the valuable information that
you have sent for the past few days.
I only found Nandanar Charitam by Gopala Krishna Bharati in tamil.
Do we have any dramas with Nandi and from where a monlogue can be adopted for
enacting ?
The stotram by Patamjali is interesting.Since my son is learning sanskrit
he and other students would benefit a lot.
Regards
Padmaja.
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--- Padmaja G <padmaj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I only found Nandanar Charitam by Gopala Krishna Bharati in tamil.
> Do we have any dramas with Nandi and from where a monlogue can be adopted
> for enacting ?
>
I don't think naMdanAr charitam has anything to do with
Nandi. It is the story of a low-caste person trying to
go to Chidamabaram and worship Nataraja. We have that
splendid movie song on this from jayabhEri, naMduni
charitamu vinumA, paramAnaMdamu ganumA. Regards! - mOhana
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Padmaja G
Yes.You are right.Nandanar Charitam is not about Nandi.
Its about Nandanar.But the drama has wonderful songs by Gopalakrishna
Bharati and one of them says :
“vazhi maRaiththirukkudhE malaipOlE oru mADu paDuththirukkudhE” (This bull, the size of a mountain, is lying there and blocking my view of the Lord) Sivalokanatha... " moved by the plea of his Harijan devotee Nandanar, Lord Siva of Tiruppunkur, gently commanded his bull, and Nandi obeyed His Master's voice. As Nandan rejoiced at his fortune, the Tamil country wept in joy.
Wish someone could translate the songs into telugu.
Tiruppunkur is the place where the legend says the story happened and
to this day we see Nandi to one side.It is also said that since the devotee
made Nandi move he was called Nandanar.
Our temple kids are going to enact this drama on Nandi sthapana day.
Thankyou for the reference to the song in Jayabheri.
Regards
Padmaja.
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jkmrao
wrote:
> I don't think naMdanAr charitam has anything to do with
> Nandi. It is the story of a low-caste person trying to
> go to Chidamabaram and worship Nataraja. We have that
> splendid movie song on this from jayabhEri, naMduni
> charitamu vinumA, paramAnaMdamu ganumA.
>
I don't think I am right when I made the above statement.
Just now, I ate some crow for lunch ;-)
To enable naMda to have a view of the Lord, naMdI
did move his head aside and it seems the naMdI statue
is chiselled in this form in chidaMbaraM.
Begging your pardon for the mistake, - mOhana
nasysan
>
> Namaste Mohana Rao garu :
>
> Yes.You are right.Nandanar Charitam is not about Nandi.
> Its about Nandanar.But the drama has wonderful songs by Gopalakrishna
> Bharati and one of them says :
>
> "vazhi maRaiththirukkudhE malaipOlE oru mADu paDuththirukkudhE"
(This bull, the size of a mountain, is lying there and blocking my
view of the Lord) Sivalokanatha... " moved by the plea of his Harijan
devotee Nandanar, Lord Siva of Tiruppunkur, gently commanded his bull,
and Nandi obeyed His Master's voice. As Nandan rejoiced at his
fortune, the Tamil country wept in joy.
Ahhh yes, Nandanar charitamu of Gopala Krishna Bharathi - so many
divine songs - simply divine
yennEramum undan sannidhiyilE - dEvagAMdhAri - Nandanar singing in joy
of seeing chidambaram temple
SaTru vilagi yirum pillaay - Poorvi kaLyANi - the song in which Siva
instructs Nandi to stand aside
un tiruvaDi SaraNaM yanru nambi vanden - kAmbhOji - Nandanar pining
for a darshan
varugalAmO ayyA - mAnji rAgaM - Nandanar respectfully asking
permission to enter the tillai, the golden sabha where chidambara
nataraja dances ..
Oh, man, marvellous lyrics and beautiful music.
Padmaja garu - the lyrics are quite beautiful in Tamizh - why you want
them translated into Telugu???
Regards,
Nasy
J. K. Mohana Rao
--- nasysan <nas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ahhh yes, Nandanar charitamu of Gopala Krishna Bharathi - so many
> divine songs - simply divine
>
It seems at least three films were made in the early days
on naMdanAr. It was long before my time. My parents
and uncle used to talk about it. The late K B suMdarAMbAL
acted as naMdanAr in one and the late daMDapANI dESikar
acted in the other. Bharati himslef was a contemporary
of the trinity. It is said that he and tyAgarAja met
at one time and the song sabA(bhA)patikku samAnaM ...
was composed at that time. Nobody knows whether the naMdanAr
story itself is true. Some even say that naMdanAr
was burnt in fire. But there are many stories like
this in Tamil Saivism. There are at least three or
four books called (telugu) naMdanArcharitramu in DLI.
But I donot have with me any downloaded version.
Stories like naMdanAr or kanakadAsa are far and few in
between. Our (in)glorious past was an age of oppression and
suppression when elementary decency and courtesy was
denied to the sociey's lower strata.
Regards! - mOhana
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Padmaja G
Namaste.Why translate ?A very good question.
I agree with you that the lyrics are beautiful in Tamiz.
Its not about whether or not they are beautiful in the original language in
which they are written.Its about how would they sound if they were
translated into telugu or any other langauge?How much more we could enjoy
knowing the meanings ?
Would I ever have read Omar Khayyam had he not been translated into
English ?Not really.Like wise there are so many works of great authors
which have to be translated.
Could we on this forum try with some poems of Pothana ?
I am sure there are so many learned racchabanda members proficient in more than one langauge who can do this.
Regards
Padmaja.
nasysan <nas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
_Padmaja garu - the lyrics are quite beautiful in Tamizh - why you want
them translated into Telugu???
Regards,
Nasy
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nasysan
>
> Namaste.Why translate ?A very good question.
> I agree with you that the lyrics are beautiful in Tamiz.
> Its not about whether or not they are beautiful in the original
language in
> which they are written.Its about how would they sound if they
were
> translated into telugu or any other langauge?How much more we
could enjoy
> knowing the meanings ?
Don't get me wrong - I am a big fan of translation(s). However, one
doesn't need translation to understand the meaning - the meaning can
be explained through a Teeka-tAtaprayam kind of explanation.
In translating poetry, especially the emotional stuff like the
keertanas under consideration, something .. some essence .. is
always lost. Why, take an item as simple as film lyrics - compare
tamizh original with telugu dubbed version .. Lyrics from gharshaNa,
prEmikuDu, bAmbE .. so on.
I have seen Tyagaraja's and Annamayya's keertanas "translated" into
English - Don't really know what to make of them. I don't get the
same thrill. PErhaps I should get the opinion of someone who doesn't
know Telugu about these items.
BTW, curious - did you mean translation into Telugu or English?
Regards,
Nasy
Padmaja G
Namaskaram.
nEnu evarainA I pATalni tarjumA cEstE bAgunDunani annAnO lEdO
Mohana garu entO bAgA nAku cAlA ishTamaina pATani tarjumA cEsAru.
vAriki nA dhanyavAdAlu.
Have you listened to K V Narayana Swamy sing varagalamO ?Its so
beautiful.
As for your question ,whether I meant translations into telugu or english.
English.But if someone can do it in telugu or any other langauge for
the benefit of the readers of those langauges wonderful.Why not.
I agree with the you that the translations of Annamayya or Tyagayya
dont come close to the original.True.We dont have Annamayya anymore.
we dont know the original ragas for many of songs unlike most of Tyagaraja`s thanks to his disciples who preserved the kritis with notations.
Nedunuri tuned many Annamayya kritis.Should we not listen to them?
And how about for a person who is into carnatic music but cant read the originals
written in telugu?Isnt it good to have a translation along with a word to word
meaning.One of my friends ,who is a higly respected scientist and music
teacher really was taken by Velcheru`s God on the Hill book.Now he wants
more of Annamayya`s kritis translated into english.I agree with you that
many translations pale before the original as they lose the nuances
in translation.I think the translators are well aware of that.They know that they are sometimes failing ,but its a glorious failure .Why did Tagore translate his own poems into English?Some of my friends who are well versed both in Tamil and Telugu tell me that T.S.Parthasarathy ,well known musicologist`s Tyagaraja`s complete works in tamil script with meanings is a magnum opus and that he was able to convey Tyagaraja Swami`s emotions very well.Now when one does try to translate
he has to be proficient in both langauges ,the original and the langauge chosen
for translation or can become proficient in the process of becoming a translator.
What do we lose ?Not much.On the contrary we gain a lot.
I would love to see Pothana`s bhagavatam translated into english
for those who cant read telugu .
Regards
Padmaja.
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nasysan
>
> Namaskaram.
>
> nEnu evarainA I pATalni tarjumA cEstE bAgunDunani annAnO lEdO
> Mohana garu entO bAgA nAku cAlA ishTamaina pATani tarjumA cEsAru.
> vAriki nA dhanyavAdAlu.
>
> Have you listened to K V Narayana Swamy sing varagalamO ?Its so
> beautiful.
Yes, I believe I have a recording. I like his "enneramum undan" in
Devagandhari very much.
>
> As for your question ,whether I meant translations into telugu
or english.
> English.
Cool.
In this discussion, I've tried to make a distinction
between "translation" and "explanation with meaning." In poetry,
especially lyrical poetry like keertanalu, I find that "explanation
with meaning" does a better job than a "translation".
Your own arguments in the remainder of your post seem to give
strength to my claim above.
I've read some translations into English of Telugu and other
Carnatic compositions - translations done by Balantrapu Rajaneekanta
Rao, A.K. RamanujanVelcheru Narayana Rao, and William Jackson, to
name just three. I was left with an empty feeling.
OTOH, I've enjoyed translations into English of poetry from
langauges I do not know - like Spanish and Arabic.
Perhaps we should ask non-Indian enthusiasts about the effectiveness
of these translations.
Meanwhile, I'll take the "Meanings with explanation" - thank you
very much.
Regards,
Nasy
J. K. Mohana Rao
--- nasysan <nas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I've read some translations into English of Telugu and other
> Carnatic compositions - translations done by Balantrapu Rajaneekanta
> Rao, A.K. RamanujanVelcheru Narayana Rao, and William Jackson, to
> name just three. I was left with an empty feeling.
> OTOH, I've enjoyed translations into English of poetry from
> langauges I do not know - like Spanish and Arabic.
>
Translation from one Indian language into another is relatively
easy to understand and appreciate as we all share the same idioms
and expressions. For an Indian, the word padmAkshi evokes the vision
of a woman with big, long, smooth and beautiful eyes. But if we
translate this into English as a woman with lotus(-petal) like
eyes, it looks quite awkward. This applies to many other expressions
like mattEbha-kumbha-stanI or bhramara-vENI. That is why, free
translations convey the ideas better. In fact, a novel term is
coined for these, viz., transcreations. Not only translations are
done, but also appropriate idioms corresponding to the translated
language are used. Translation is like a double-edged sword!
Regards nAsy gArU! - mOhana
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lalithag.rm
http://telugu4kids.com/rhymes.aspx
and comment on my explanation of two poems from Potana's Gajendra
Moksham. (Please look for "Eeswarudu".)
Regards,
lalitha.
--- In racch...@yahoogroups.com, Padmaja G <padmajaavvaru@...> wrote:
>> I would love to see Pothana`s bhagavatam translated into english
> for those who cant read telugu .
>
> Regards
>
> Padmaja.
>
nasysan
>
> Please visit
> http://telugu4kids.com/rhymes.aspx
> and comment on my explanation of two poems from Potana's Gajendra
> Moksham. (Please look for "Eeswarudu".)
>
> Regards,
> lalitha.
>
Lalitha garu,
Very commendable effort in presenting visual, written and audio
materials in a blended form.
The xplanation of Potana poems seems fine - except it may be a bit
over the top for the age of your target audience. Children may enjoy
Prahlada's story or the pranks of little Krishna a bit more.
you may also want to introduce some simple krithis of Tyagaraja
vara neela gaana lola, vamdanamu raghu namdana, etc.
all the best.
Nasy
lalithag.rm
Thanks for the encouragement and the kind advice. They are a help
for my future projects.
I want to share my thoughts about why I included these poems
on Telugu4Kids.
First, I like the poem "evvaniche janinchu...." .
I find this a good introduction to the concept of god.
Children, when presented with mythology and religious aspects of
culture, ask questions about god.
The above poem sounds secular to me.
(eeswara meaning supreme being and not shiva or any one
particular representation of god)
A hope that the other efforts on the website would guide the
kids to develop a taste for literary treasures like these.
I am collecting good stuff in one place.
Regards,
lalitha.
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lali...@rocketmail.com writes:
I hope that the other efforts on the website would guide the
I am collecting good stuff in one place.
Your efforts in securing Telugu poems for children are commendable. Krishna
Satakam is simple and appeals to children. It may be viewed at
http://www.maganti.org/PDFdocs/krishnasatakam.pdf
Regards.
Udaya
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lalithag.rm
Thank you.
Your replies not only gave some ideas, they also got me thinking. I
am reorganising the content on Telugu4Kids to better reflect my goals.
Regards,
lalitha.
Jabali Muni
The effort you are paying to make this wonderful site will surely help the children to imbibe good qualities right from their early childhood.For children not knowing Telugu your translation of padyamulu would go a long way for proper comprehension.May I suggest you to include some moral stories driving home the greatness of truth,compassion, and respect towards parents and teachers.In Telugu we have I think a large number of stories are there to sow the seeds of proper upbringing of our children.
Regards,
Jabalimuni
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