[racchabanda] Re: "The Fire of Life"
lylayer
wrote:
> > lylayer [lylayfl@...] Mon 6/23/2008 6:38 PM
> > 'You know who' may want to answer it.:-)
I love it 'when you know who' answers it. I can anticipate a juicy
fight and read some good stuff in the process. I enjoyed the
suggested reading material. What do we do next:-)
> I actually did not want to answer it as I thought, after our
exchange on eemaata, there's not much point.
I did not understand this part. Like to elaborate? H!
> But then I came across something today which actually throws more
light on what I said. For those who need context, here's my reply to
Lyla gAru on eemaata: http://www.eemaata.com/em/recentcomments?
page=9 .
I liked your విసురు on me . "లైలా.. శ్రీశ్రీపై విసిరిన విసురులో
వేడెక్కువ, వెలుగు శూన్యం" I loved it as applied to the field of
Medicine i worked in. The physics humor must have been wasted on the
hundreds of eemaaTa readers who know nothing about me, but I still
laugh when ever i think about it. It is very very good.
The వైరాగ్యపు, remark you made ఇలాంటి పోలికల వల్ల
ఒరిగేదేముంది, సాహిత్య చర్చల విలువలు దిగ జార్చటం తప్పించి -
అన్నది is neither scientific, nor literary. It is a lay person's
comment and unsuitable particularly, for a current essayist on
scientists. ( You are doing very well in the essays though. The
essays are very readable for all age groups i think. I like them. I
like the edited out parts too.)
Comparitive studies are legit within literature and across different
fields. You know it. You do not want to say, the departments of
comparitive literature will pull down the literary debate, would you?
That you brought up an essay of Rorty a professor emeritus
in 'comparitive studies' is interesting. That You want me to give
credit to his views on comparitve merits of philosophy and poetry
(which of the two offers better comfort, and for what reasons, when
one is dying of pancreatic cancer,) while you try to discount my
short but legitimate, scientific comparison between two or more
writers' writings, is interestingly parodoxical. That I happen to be
an oncologist is immaterial and irrelevant in this circumstance. i
suppose Auden can throw more light than me, on this subject even.
I read about Rorty on net. I enjoyed his essay. God bless his soul,
he appears to be my twin, in his pragmatic views, on any number
of topics. If he had been my patient, we would have been
discussing 'Persephone' roasting marshmellows in my marble fire
place, lying on a Jaipur carpet in front of a crackling fire.
> Teaching or learning techniques were not what was on my mind when I
said great poetry is worth memorizing.
>
>గొప్ప కవిత్వం అంతా కంఠస్థం చెయ్యదగ్గది అని నేనన్నప్పుడు ఇదీ
నా మనసులో లేదు. మరెందుకు కంఠస్థం చెయ్యాలి? అంటే, అవసరానికి
>అక్కరకొస్తుందని! దానినే ఇంకాస్త మంచిగా రోర్టీ మాటల్లో:>
I guess people who already memorized vEmana and Sumati probably
still find some comfort in those poems, on their good and bad days.
But Why should kids of today memorize Vemana's poems? Should they do
it for rhyme and rhythm. Not these poems i think. Some of these poems
lost their luster.
ఉప్పు కప్పురంబు ఒక్క పోలిక నుండు
చూడ చూడ రుచుల జాడ వేరు
పురుషులందు పుణ్య పురుషులు వేరయా
విశ్వ దాభిరామ వినుర వేమ
Is this poem elementary school chemistry ? Appears so. The poem :-)
is 'comparing' Salt and Camphor. The physical appearence of these
two substances are similar. But if you analyze them, by subjecting
them to other tests, you will find they are disimilar in several
ways - says Vemana.
However, i get confused, when it comes to పురుషులందు పుణ్య
పురుషులు వేరయా Are పుణ్యపురుషులు being compared to camphor
or salt. If Camphor, why? Isn't salt more valuble than camphor to
humans? Isn't poet Vemana's knowledge quite limited? Is there over
simplification of truths? Aren't poems as అల్పుడెపుడు పల్కు
ఆడంబరముగాను,... మిరపగింజ చూడ మీద నల్లగ నుండు... create a
bias and are misleading.
There - Rorty's pragmatism should kick in. There are no solid
truths, that philosophy can hand to you, he says. Don't look to phil
to manage your life, to solve your daily problems, he says. Sure.
Got it. Agree. So, when some trendy philosophy comes in the shape of
catchy rhythmic rhymes, whether it is Sri Sri's, Vemana's or
Sumati's poetry, should i not be on the Rorty philosophy alert?:-)
What is the moral of your post, H? I will get it by heart, if you
give it in a nut shell.
Regards
lyla
PS: The poetry you mentioned is fantastic. Persephone made me hit
Edith Hamilton's mythology again. That small book of Edith's is pure
magic. There is a woman writer who wrote an incomparable book on
myth.
Back to poetry - I would say The poem I wrote 'Boon To Be A Lotos
Eater' 3,4 years back out of my love for Tennyson is not bad either.
You may like it. It is on rb somewhere. Do not hesitate to memorize
it, so you can recite it, or quote it, :-)in your dark hot nights.
rb poets in the last two, three days did not do so badly with telugu
poetry either.:-) I am singing గంగా గంగా ఉత్తుంగ తరంగా..
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lylayer
<pamarty@...> wrote:
(about poetry, smileys and :-) spouses)
> Hi Lyla:
> Not to impress any wife if the wife were like mine. So, why did I
> memorize them?
Where is the need for a man to impress a woman, Satya? From what
i hear, men supress, oppress and depress them. (satire please.)
Females though, generally impress males with their ignorance. The
lesser woman knows of anything, the better for the man and thereby
woman too.( This one is general knowledge. Humor flows from now on.)
One of my cousin's sons from India is so taken with me, when he came
over to US because i admitted to him of my lack of knowledge of
Telugu movies. I said -educate me. And he did. He made sure I watched
a few movies with him. 'Siva' is very good movie he said. I watched
it with him. and the movie is a regular butcher shop and i was doing
హాహాకారములు I was covering my face with a pillow. He consoled me
and said it is only a movie, nothing to worry about. I told the
nephew, he looks like the hero in the movie, and instantaneously i
was a big hit with this kid.
Sadly, his preference for my feminine company was shown too openly,
and the rest of the family members got jealous. They had asked him
plain and simple "what is it she got? kiddo, that we don't have" in
Hindi, Telugu and English. The young man could handle Mafia in the
movies, but in real life 'the family' was too overpowering. So he
could no longer have his singled out admiration for me.
No more "this coke , in this waterford glass is for you, only you,
lylaantee"
Instead "it is cokes everybody."
The :-):-) 'aunty-nephew love' is socialized and eventually had
disappered all together like salt vanishes in water. But during the
brief time i had exclusive rights to it, it was glowing like camphor.
There is a Henry James Story or a minisculized Kundera novel.:-)
>
> My important question to you. What is the smiley doing there? :-)
>
Satya, Satya, Satya :-) :-):-)
Asked such a direct question, i have to admit, i do not know where a
smiley is supposed to be.
Will you believe it, if i say lately i am developing a technique,
where i first designate there will be 12 commas, 2 semicolons, 1
sigmoid colon, and one - oops! nevermind, i will get on to the right
tract again - 16 question marks, 8 full stops, and 4 smileys in what
i write and then i insert words here and there? No. You won't
believe me.
But if i write chandassu poetry, ( 4 lines; na X 7 + 1 ga; yati 1,13
= taraLamu ) no one will bat an eyelid. Will they?
Humans are humorous.
I think, Smileys transform to tiny bow and arrows in my mind. So it
is the word or phrase, or sentence following the smiley that is going
to sting like hell. So watch out for the smiley.
Sometimes it could be when we want to tell a joke we get into a
laughing spree, we can't even tell the joke. So i could be laughing
at inappropriate times. So the smiles and arrows get scattered all
over the place. No wonder i confuse you. And it will continue.
>I can get on without either salt or camphor. My
> wife too can get on without salt (the reason for my getting on..
>The only ocean of
> knowledge I have encountered in my life is my wife.
After self-deprecating humor, spouse-deprecating humor is the next
best. What would we do with out them, Satya. We can't even laugh then.
Long live the spouses! i hail. Thanks Satya. Enjoyed your post.
Regards
lyla.
Hemantha Kumar
?
Where is the need to impress women? Try to be yourself and they get impressed anyway? Not convinced? Check the trail (of women) I left behind in my hey (I deliberately did not use "hay") days (Tell my wife if you have to but not my mother, who still thinks that I am a good boy which indeed I am ). Man its fun but seriously coming to the point where is the need to impress women. We can all follow parallel paths.
?
Best wishes and respectful regards?
Hemantha Kumar
--- On Fri, 7/18/08, lylayer <lyl...@aol.com> wrote:
From: lylayer <lyl...@aol.com>
Subject: [racchabanda] Re: "The Fire of Life"
To: racch...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 8:17 PM
--- In racchabanda@ yahoogroups. com, "Satyanarayana Pamarty"
<pamarty@... > wrote:
(about poetry, smileys and :-) spouses)
> Hi Lyla:
> Not to impress any wife if the wife were like mine. So, why did I
> memorize them?
Where is the need for a man to impress a woman, Satya? From what
i hear, men supress, oppress and depress them. (satire please.) <snip>
Satyanarayana Pamarty
wrote:
>
> Lyla is right.
> Where is the need to impress women?
In my infinite innocence, I surely exposed my lack of RQ (romance
quotient) here, but who am I, a theoretical guru, before practical
stalwarts like you and Lyla?
> Try to be yourself and they get impressed anyway?
> Not convinced? Check the trail (of women) I left behind in my hey
Hmm. Am I thankful that I am not the one recounting the good ol' days?
Back to business, regular style:
1. Count not your chickens before other chickens. It reduces your
market value drastically.
2. Being yourself might generate a lot of quantity, but not much
quality.
3. You need to impress quickly if you don't have much time to waste.
Platonic love is for ideal people who are also idle people.
4. If you want people to swoon before you, you have to make a great
impression on them. Preferably, on their nose with your fist.
5. If you wish to be ‘love’ish, you have to be lavish.
6. Through the centuries, every man needed to impress a wife. These
days, the question is ‘whose?’
7. A man who thinks that he understands women only underestimates
them. If you do not attempt to impress them, you do so at your peril.
8. I am like wet paint. Whoever comes in contact, takes an impression
whether they like it or not.
9. If you left a trail without attempting to be impressive, imagine
what you would have left if you were to attempt it.
10. Not to impress a woman is suicidal, to successfully impress is
homicidal.
Have a nice day!
Thanks and best regards
Satya
Hemantha Kumar
If I had to try impressing, I am sure that there would have been Mayhem and Utter Chaos at home. :-)))
Best wishes
Hemantha Kumar
--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Satyanarayana Pamarty <pam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Satyanarayana Pamarty <pam...@hotmail.com>
Subject: [racchabanda] Re: "The Fire of Life"
To: racch...@yahoogroups.com
<snip>
what you would have left if you were to attempt it.
lylayer
<pamarty@...> wrote:
> In my infinite innocence, I surely exposed my lack of RQ (romance
> quotient) here, but who am I, a theoretical guru, before practical
> stalwarts like you and Lyla?
I want that certificate to hang on my wall.
Why is the word 'stalwart' so popular with rbites? As Ramarao is
likely to wonder in such situations - Are you misinterpreting this
word's meaning? Or has the usage of the word changed? I don't hear
this word anywhere, except on rb. I think this word is dead.
But! Romance is alive. i got to go write some love poetry now. See
you later.
Regards
lyla
PS: Where is the gentleman who started this thread? Looks like he
gave one end of the thread to you to hold, and the other end to me
and neatly walked away.:-)
uday...@comcast.net
>I guess people who already memorized vEmana and Sumati probably
>still find some comfort in those poems, on their good and bad days.
>But Why should kids of today memorize Vemana's poems? Should they do
>it for rhyme and rhythm. Not these poems i think. Some of these poems
>lost their luster.
>
>ఉప్పు కప్పురంబు ఒక్క పోలిక నుండు
>చూడ చూడ రుచుల జాడ వేరు
>పురుషులందు పుణ్య పురుషులు వేరయా
>విశ్వ దాభిరామ వినుర వేమ
>
It is the genius of వేమన that brought out an important philosophical
distinction between appearance and reality using the fast clip of phrases
that ఆటవెలది permits. Sometimes things appear as they are,
sometimes not; sometimes appearances are deceptive, sometimes not.
The essence of this thought is stated pithily using a colorful metaphor
that remains implanted in one's mind.
There is hardly any need to require children or anyone else to memorize
the poem since it makes an effortless entry into the human psyche. The
latter already knows that the appearance of the world is but a poor
guide to the world's reality and is merely awaiting the arrival of the poetic
expression to picture that thought. Far from losing luster, the poem
highlights the perennial need to distinguish true from illusory perceptions.
Udaya
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hemantha Kumar
Those gents who can't have any more salt can just be "Purushulu" and they should be happy about it. :-)))
Best wishes
Hemantha Kumar
--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Satyanarayana Pamarty <pam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Satyanarayana Pamarty <pam...@hotmail.com>
Subject: [racchabanda] Re: "The Fire of Life"
To: racch...@yahoogroups.com
--- In racchabanda@ yahoogroups. com, "lylayer" <lylayfl@... > wrote:
<snip>
> పురుషులు వేరయా Are పుణ్యపురుషులు being compared to camphor > or salt. If Camphor, why? Isn't salt more valuble than camphor to > humans?
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