Re: Sri Pingali Venkayya daughter's plight
Dr Prasad NV Tata
VottiMaatalu Katti Peetoyi gatti Melu Talapettoyi.
Folks if you can do something do it otherwise keep quite, Naalugu
Stmbhaalatalo Sutti Velu Cheppi Natlu
Ippudu Samasya How to help her not why she is in that condition.
Regards,
Prasad Tata
> >>>His daughter was married, had children and her present condition
is
> >>>because her children would not care for her or her husband
> ^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>deserted her.
>
> >> How do you know that? Is that your conclusion or newspaper's?
> >> Do I have to state the obvious- that her present condition
would
> >> still be different, if she inherited money/property, and
especially
> >> different when her children are not caring or husband
deserting?
>
> >If I recall correctly, the newspaper said she has children; don't
> >remember how many, but it is more than one. The paper also
> >said her husband had gone off a while ago. Those are not her
> >failings, but they contributed to her condition.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
> Earlier, you stated that her present condition "is because" her
children
> would not care or her husband deserted. Now, you say
they "contributed"
> to her condition. Why do we have to talk about her personal life,
when
> it is so simple to say that she would be better off, no matter what
her
> personal life is/was, if she inherited property/wealth? Is that not
> self-evident?
>
>
> >> >In any case, I don't see the connection between piMgaLi
> >> >veMkayya's freedom fight and his daughter's predicament.
>
> >> Let me try again. If an individual lost all his accumulated
> >> wealth and fortune including career in nation struggle,
> >> and spent years in imprisonment, and even struggled in utter
poverty
> >> in his last days, can we not imagine its impact and toll on
> >> his ability to raise kid(s) adequately and enable them to
> >> grow to succeed, let alone not able to leave any wealth as his
> >> heritage to jump start their lives?? What part of this
connection
> >> you don't see or you don't agree?
>
> >If a person did everything as you say, yes, his family would be
left
> >in dire straits.
>
>
>
> And indeed it was- you must read "marapurani manushulu" by Sri
Tirumala
> Ramachandra.
>
>
>
> >However, if his daughter is in difficulties 50+ years later,
having lived
> >reasonably well in the interim, the reasons for the present
conditions have
> >to be different.
>
> You got it all reversed. When Sri piMgaLi venkayya died, his family
was
> in utter poverty. And the reasons his daughter might have lived any
> better _earlier_ have to be different (and not for her present
> predicament). I am sure when she was born, Sri piMgaLi veMkayya must
> have been very active in freedom struggle 70 years ago, and their
> personal fortunes must have begun to decline or already declining
then.
> And it reduced to stark poverty at his death. And in the interim,
she
> might have led a better life (which I do not know and the newspaper
> does not write in any detail) only because of her husband/children.
And
> now back she is without having anything to fall on and utterly
helpless.
>
> Are you saying that just because she might have led a better life
> because of her husband for sometime, country has no responsibility
> whatsoever for her situation??
> I hope you are not saying that, and please do not read the following
> paragraph in bounded lines, if you are not saying that. And if you
do,
> go ahead and read on-
> ================================================================
> [para-begin
> If US government loses a person's entire Social Security, just
like
> that into air, and while the individual is crest-fallen, he
somehow
> lands some job and is able to earn some livelihood which lasts for
> sometime and then the individual is laid off again and is again on
> streets with no Social Security whatsoever. So you say the reason
> for the individual's present condition is that he lost his job and
> and not the loss of his Social Security long time ago prior to his
> getting that job? Right? Does that sound similar enough?? In
India we
> still do not have Social Security. The savings, wealth,
health,property
> good-brought up that Sri piMgaLi veMkayya could have easily afforded
> was all sacrificed at the altar of freedom struggle, which would
have
> been Social Security for his family that is deprived of it. I am
sure
> you understand now.
>
> para-end]
> ==================================================================
>
> My simple statement is this- no matter how/what her personal life
is,
> she has partook heavy sacrifices of Sri piMgaLi veMkayya's freedom
> struggle very directly. And indeed it is failing of country and
> community to not able to provide her minimum opportunities to lead
> destitute-free life. What do you disagree and which part of the
> connection you fail to see?
>
> With regards
> -Srinivas Nagulapalli
>
>
>
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Srinivas Nagulapalli wrote:
> she has partook heavy sacrifices of Sri piMgaLi veMkayya's freedom
> struggle very directly. And indeed it is failing of country and
> community to not able to provide her minimum opportunities to lead
> destitute-free life. What do you disagree and which part of the
> connection you fail to see?
Sri Srinivas garu:
This has been a long discussion and I have come to a closing statement. I am not
against helping an elderly
person, but oppose the argument that the country or the govt is responsible to
her. Her father was a great citizen, but no matter what his sacrifice, the
country cannot be held responsible for the welfare of his adult children.
I am generally not in favor of comparing the institutions of the USA with those
of India. Even so, the Social Security
and VA administrations that you mentioned may not support your case. For
example, I don't believe that the adult children
of war veterans are eligible for treatment at VA hospitals. Social security
benefits are not available to adult married children of those who contributed to
the system.
In short, even if the country (India) could take on the responsibility of caring
for its freedom fighters, such a responsibility could not possibility be
extended to their adult children.
Regards,
ari sitaramayya.
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
Srinivas Nagulapalli
para-end]
==================================================================
With regards
-Srinivas Nagulapalli
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
Sreenivas Paruchuri
> for racchabanda is and how many women read rb regularly. My own
> guess is rb has predominatly male membership. Even if there are some
> women, they very rarely read raajakeeyaalu!
Since you seem to have a very high opinion about TELUSA, did you ever
check what the male / female membership ratio for that list was and how
many women read Telusaa regularly! After all we also talked about
రాజకీయాలు there, apart from సమస్యా పూరణలు and ఛందస్సు.
Isn't it?
> How one longs for telusa days! hata vidhee...
గత కాలము మేలు ముందు వచ్చు ...... Oh, I really long for those
WETD/SCIT days! Had you ever been on those lists?
Regards,
Sreenivas
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
Sreenivas Paruchuri
critical article about the National Flag and the people who worked on
it, in the reputed academic journal from OUP: _Past & Present_ in 1999
by Paris based Historian Arundhati Virmani (?) (I amn't able to recall
her last name off-hand, need to check my copy which is packed up in one
of those boxes and lying in Lohne since mid-2000.). Will send a copy
soon.
V. Chowdary Jampala
> I don't know anything about WETD. But I did read the SCIT articles. Then,
> if I remember, all telusa people used to get SCIT articles also, but not
> vice versa.
Actually, it was the other way around, but it all was many moons ago.
Regards -- V. Chowdary Jampala
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J. K. Mohana Rao
> > ... Even if there are some
> > women, they very rarely read raajakeeyaalu!
> Ain't that a perpetuation of a stereotype!
Almost all articles on politics are being written by men only. I seldom see
political articles by women on this forum. Hence the assumption. I have
very great respect to this forum as well as women to attempt stereotyping.
"Sreenivas Paruchuri" wrote:
> Since you seem to have a very high opinion about TELUSA, did you ever
> check what the male / female membership ratio for that list was and how
> many women read Telusaa regularly!
I did not know then nor do I know now.
But certainly there were a few more woman members who
used to write and participate actively then than now.
> After all we also talked about
> రాజకీయాలు there, apart from సమస్యా పూరణలు
> and ఛందస్సు.
Yes, sometimes (perhaps always :) as hotly as now. But certainly there
seemed to be a balance between literary and political activities then.
Now, the balance seems to tilt more towards the political. I am not
complaining. Always there is the delete button. Just as others delete my
articles on poetry, I too delete those on politics, except the ones those
that interset me like the one on Sree Pimgali Venkayya. There used to be
feedback on both types of articles then. Nowadays, there is more
feed-back and discussion on the latter only.
> Oh, I really long for those
> WETD/SCIT days! Had you ever been on those lists?
I don't know anything about WETD. But I did read the SCIT articles. Then,
if I remember, all telusa people used to get SCIT articles also, but not
vice versa.
With great regards to all - moeraa
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
Dr Prasad NV Tata
spirit of amusement.
Regards
Prasad Tata
Maroka Vooka Dampudu: In one of our Drama Performances a person who
like to have a drink before, during and after the performance and
during reharsals, said the following to me thanking the guy who
brought Scotch for the drama performance to celebrate post
performance fatigue.
Natudu: " Tata Naatakam Veyinchina Sprit needayinaa, evaala naacheta
Natakam Veyinchina SPIRIT eeayanadi"
--- In racchabanda@y..., "V. Chowdary Jampala" <cjampala@d...> wrote:
> At the risk of offending Dr. Tata with some more chaff, let
me
> offer some observations on this issue.
>
, and an obsession about a
> National flag.
>
> More about PV and the national flag later, time permitting.
>
> Regards -- V. Chowdary Jampala
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Oops... I should have been careful, there are two Prasad's in this
discussion. My surprise was towards Sri. Prasad Chodavarapu's observation
that this is a "horribly out-of-date and out-of-fashion" story.
I still stand by my observation that most of the pellicoopulu the way they
are being arranged are a gross insult to pellikootuLLu and are all one sided
events. My relief is that this story showed some respect.
-Akkiraju Bhattiprolu
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Dr Prasad NV Tata" <DRPRASADTATA@y...>
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Sri Akkiraju garu!
I am at loss what surprised you sir! Regarding the hero character
there are few people still out there who respect others and has
strong bonds with their family members. Not all of us are self
centered individuals.
Regards,
Prasad
--- In racchabanda@y..., "Akkiraju Bhattiprolu" <prolu@h...> wrote:
> Prasad gaaru,
>
> I am surprised with your opinion. I liked this story a lot. Very
simple
> but leaves a good feeling at the end. This is a good "feminist"
story.
>
> Leaving the merits and demerits of an arranged marriage aside, we
are seeing
> few (four to be exact) "ideal" youngsters who have respect for
themselves
> and others equally. The amont of respect the hero showed towards
his would
> be wife and her intelligence, her right to decide what is good
etc., are
> still something we only wish to see even in today's pelli
kodukulu. Not
> that those guys are nonexistent completely, but still many are not
in that
> category. A doctor pellikoDuku who is willing to take the
responsibility
> of babysitting... that too his brother's baby... that too on his
> pellichoopulu day... don't know when we get to see that kind of
opennes in
> "all" Andhra pelli kodukulu.
>
> No matter when it was written, not matter what is today's
fashion.... this
> is a good story to me!
>
> Regards
> -Akkiraju Bhattiprolu
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Prasad A. Chodavarapu" <chprasad@h...>
> Reply-To: racchabanda@y...
> To: racchabanda@y...
> Subject: [racchabanda] Re: Pelli Choopulu
> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:15:58 -0000
>
> --- In racchabanda@y..., "Dr Prasad NV Tata" <DRPRASADTATA@y...>
> wrote:
> > Remember that Sri Vari Ki PremaLekha? Potturi Vijayalakshmi did
it
> > again in her short story Pelli Choopulu please read this pleasent
> > stor in Eanadu
> >
> > http://www.eenadu.net/htm/2vnewkatha.asp
>
> Don't know when it was written but seems to me to be horribly
> out-of-date and out-of-fashion.
>
> prasad
V. Chowdary Jampala
> Vookadampudu enta Danchinaa emainaa prayojanam vundaa mahasaya?
I agree with Sri Prasad entirely and would very much appreciate
when he stops pounding the chaff.
Regards -- V. Chowdary Jampala
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
Prasad A. Chodavarapu
> living is awful sight, but its much more so, if she is a daughter
> of a famous freedom-fighter.
the logic is simple. in general, people accumulate wealth and pass it on
to their children. lots of freedom fighters left their daily jobs to
take on the raj full-time, thus putting the nation's interest in front
of their family's. it is then the duty of the nation to ensure that
their families do not get hurt as a result of the loss of their
caretakers' attention.
i would like to explore more systematic solutions to this problem than a
one-time donation. can we identify 100 well-known freedom fighters and
check the condition of their families. we need to impress upon the
system the need to take better care of people who sacrificed for all of
us.
thanks
prasad
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V. Chowdary Jampala
> Vudayaanne, leka pote saayam sandya lono Racchabandalo cherutaaru....
> vaalla gurinchi veella gurinchi ganta rendu ganta la sepu
> charchisthaaru... pellamo, kodalo bhojanam tayyaarayindi anagaane
> racchabanda vodili inti kelli pothaaru... deeni valla vaalla notlo
> naanina manusulaki emayinaa vorugutundaa.....
>
> Racchabanda maa prebhuvulu namaskaaram!
What is Dr. Tata doing in a group that he has such a poor opinion
of?
Srinivas Nagulapalli
>This has been a long discussion and I have come to a closing statement. I
>am not against helping an elderly person, but oppose the argument that the
>country or the govt is responsible to her. Her father was a great citizen,
>but no matter what his sacrifice, the country cannot be held responsible
>for the welfare of his adult children.
"Responsibilities" are of many kind. You may be right that country may
not have "legal" responsibility, but it definitely has moral or ethical
responsibility. What responsibility enjoins a nation to take care of
Rajghat and prep it up nice and clean and keep 2 minutes silent every
year? And what responsibility does nation have to spend tax payers'
money to decorate and garland statues of leaders- almost like in
alphabetical order- Ambedkar till Zakir Hussain?? It is not to honor a
piece of tomb or stone, but to express our regard and gratitude to the
ideals and services the men rendered. And we take pride in doing that.
So too, acknowledging and assisting not a stone, but a living elderly
woman and daughter of great freedom fighter to lead a dignified life
in her last years, is, if not "legal", atleast moral/ethical
responsibility of the country and community that received from her
family much more than it ever could repay. And doing that, is not so
much as to help her out, as she and her family already paid heavily for
the sacrifices, but more so to express our sensitivity and recognition
of the services contributed in a grateful and humane manner.
Finally, if country doesn't seem to care a damn for such a person
whose family gave so much, why would any one care a hoot about my or
your opinions in this regard? I have nothing more to add/respond to
this discussion and I believe we exchanged our opinions adequately
enough. Furthermore, all these words aren't as effective as a single
kind deed and my indulgence in this discussion any further, runs
precisely counter to it. Hence this is my last response on this topic.
With regards
-Srinivas Nagulapalli
Ari Sitaramayya
Dr Prasad NV Tata wrote:
> Ilaati gola chuse Maa Voorlo Apparao ane athanu ee vidhamga annadu
>
> VottiMaatalu Katti Peetoyi gatti Melu Talapettoyi.
>
> Folks if you can do something do it otherwise keep quite, Naalugu
> Stmbhaalatalo Sutti Velu Cheppi Natlu
The etiquette on racchabanda is to participate or keep quiet; the quiet
is not quite the same.
ari sitaramayya..
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
ari@o
> >His daughter was married, had children and her present condition is because
> >her children would not care for her or her husband deserted her.
>
> How do you know that? Is that your conclusion or newspaper's?
> Do I have to state the obvious- that her present condition would
> still be different, if she inherited money/property, and especially
> different when her children are not caring or husband deserting?
If I recall correctly, the newspaper said she has children; don't
remember how many, but it is more than one. The paper also
said her husband had gone off a while ago. Those are not her
failings, but they contributed to her condition.
> >In any case, I don't see the connection between piMgaLi
> >veMkayya's freedom fight and his daughter's predicament.
>
> Let me try again. If an individual lost all his accumulated
> wealth and fortune including career in nation struggle,
> and spent years in imprisonment, and even struggled in utter poverty
> in his last days, can we not imagine its impact and toll on
> his ability to raise kid(s) adequately and enable them to
> grow to succeed, let alone not able to leave any wealth as his
> heritage to jump start their lives?? What part of this connection
> you don't see or you don't agree?
If a person did everything as you say, yes, his family would be left
in dire straits.
However, if his daughter is in difficulties 50+ years later, having lived
reasonably well in the interim, the reasons for the present conditions
have to be different.
regards,
Srinivas Nagulapalli
>From: ari@O...
>
>I am not quite sure what we are supporting here.
>Are we saying that children of freedom fighters should
>not face the problems that everybody else does?
>Is a nameless 70-year old destitute woman any less
>worthy of our concern than piMgaLi veMkayya's
>daughter? What about people whose lives were
>untouched by the 50+ years old freedom? I am not
>against supporting veMkayya's daughter; just
>wondering what it is we are supporting here.
>
>regards,
>ari sitaramayya.
I never intended to convey that freedom fighters children
should not face the problems that everyone else does, in fact
they are already facing them. I read in a recent publication
by Appajosyula foundation, an article by Sri Tirumala Raamchandra
where he wrote about the utter poverty in which Sri Pingali
Venkaiah gaaru spent his last days. He sacrificed his wealth
and fortune for freedom-struggle. My knowledge is mainly from
that publication. And now the news item of his daughter's plight.
I am all for helping any 70-year old destitute woman, but if
it should start with someone, I would rather start it with
helping her. It need not be charity, but anything that helps her
lead a dignified life. I feel after all the sacrifices freedom
fighters made, we as a nation or community owe that much for them.
Any 70-year old destitue women knocking on door-to-door to eke out
living is awful sight, but its much more so, if she is a daughter
of a famous freedom-fighter.
If we cannot support this, and if this is somehow misconstrued as
treating children of freedom fighters as something different, I fail
to understand, how else can present youth be inspired to be any
more selfless, let alone patriotic?!
ari@o
I am not quite sure what we are supporting here.
Are we saying that children of freedom fighters should
not face the problems that everybody else does?
Is a nameless 70-year old destitute woman any less
worthy of our concern than piMgaLi veMkayya's
daughter? What about people whose lives were
untouched by the 50+ years old freedom? I am not
against supporting veMkayya's daughter; just
wondering what it is we are supporting here.
regards,
ari sitaramayya.
At 02:03 PM 8/14/01 +0000, you wrote:
>namaskAraM
>
>It is really very unfortunate that government support for the freedom
>fighter's family is so woefully lacking while every party and
>government worth its name is at some point or the other so well-oiled
>with money from multi-scams. It is gratifying to know that there are
>some sensitive and sensible journalists still out there to bring out
>these incidents to the light of our drawing rooms and computer
>screens. I appreciate the effort of Sri Mohan Rao gAru to raise funds
>towards this and I hope this news receives wider coverage beyond just
>Telugus. And I hope this news item does not die an uneventful death at
>the keyboard's "delete" button.
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Srinivas Nagulapalli
From: Sri Ari Sitaramayya(ari@O...)
>I have not "misconstrued" anything. Helping anybody is good.
>I don't question that.
That is great. Helping Sri Pingali Venkaiah's daughter is what
I wrote about. And if you don't question that then there is nothing
I disagree with you. I am beginning to wonder what exactly is
your point. If you are not against helping, then are you against
newspaper highlighting the predicament? No one asked for special
status for freedom fighter's children, but everyone is expected
to show special sensitivity to their predicament. Do you not agree?
>In this case, the newspaper would not have written an article about
>her if she weren't piMgaLi veMkayya's daughter. The sentiment
>therefore is that a freedom fighter's child is facing unfortunate
>circumstances. And the reality is that there are countless others
>in the same situation, who will not be written about because
>financial hardship is not a story in the case of ordinary citizens.
The reality is there WILL be countless others in the same situation
in ANY country of reasonable size, including the superpower United
States and at ANY time/clime under ANY idealogy or form of government.
Isn't it?
It would be nice if that weren't true, but that is the reality of
this imperfect world. Your sentiment about the article is correct
but not complete. What we need to ask is whether a freedom fighter's
child facing that circumstance is unfortunate because
(i) her father made a conscious choice of sacrificing his wealth and
fortune for nation's struggle without leaving enough as legacy
for his children
OR
(ii) the nation is so callous to compare helping such individuals
(and even being critical of helping them), to many others whose
sacrifices to society/nation are either lesser or totally unknown.
(We can only function, based on known data.)
>I would not know how to inspire selflessness or patriotism.
I definitely know one way to inspire selflessness or patriotism- it is
by one's own example.
>I wouldn't even know if insuring their children against poverty is a good
>incentive for future patriots.
I bet it is good incentive. If not insurance, atleast if that
assurance/trust is not there, there would be no soldier ready to take
bullets on a nation's frontier, nor would be a police officer ready to
stake his life to stop a criminal.
These days we buy insurance for cars and even for any fragile items
for shipping! If the minds of people are not freed up from the
responsibility of taking care of their families to lead atleast
dignified lives, no thinking, rational man would be able to stand up
for any nobler causes of community or nation. Let me elaborate a
little. If any person knows for sure, that deprived of his help and
sustenance, community would not give a damn to his family, and would
let them live a dog-life just because there are so many like them
still, I doubt any woman would let her husband join
army/police/freedom struggle/or anything where risk is high and
personal tragedy is imminent. And much less, no woman would dare to
marry such a one (to have children to begin with), if they are
convinced that society would care less for them, when their wealth,
fortune and lives perish at nation's cause, just because there would
be countless impoverished and deprived people at any level of social
poverty they might have slipped down to.
In US, you may know very well, that if one invested money in stock
market and lost all of it, they can write off that completely
(subjected to a maximum amount per year) while paying taxes. But if
the same amount is lost in a casino gambling, nothing, no dime can be
written off during taxes. What does it mean? In the former cause, it
was invested in a better cause, be it to improve
company/market/economy not just to gain for oneself, while the latter
is purely to improve oneself and oneself alone. Even tax laws of US
acknowledge that and provide sensitivity to loss based on situations.
And imagine the loss now in terms of not just money, but status,
dignity and personal tragedy and I am sure you will know the
difference between countless 70-year destitute women and Sri PiMgaLi
veMkayya's daughter.
Furthermore, I would say it is not only what one gives that matters,
but also the attitude with which one gives. Any self-respecting
individual (may be freedom-fighter's children) would not like to live
on charity, but it definitely increases ones self-esteem if community
or society assists in providing opportunities for them to live atleast
dignified life even if it is a simple one.
Srinivas Nagulapalli
It is really very unfortunate that government support for the freedom
fighter's family is so woefully lacking while every party and
government worth its name is at some point or the other so well-oiled
with money from multi-scams. It is gratifying to know that there are
some sensitive and sensible journalists still out there to bring out
these incidents to the light of our drawing rooms and computer
screens. I appreciate the effort of Sri Mohan Rao gAru to raise funds
towards this and I hope this news receives wider coverage beyond just
Telugus. And I hope this news item does not die an uneventful death at
the keyboard's "delete" button.
దేశ స్వాతంత్ర్య సమరాన తెలుగు బిడ్డ
తనువు ధనమును విజయప తాక నిచ్చి
అరగి పోవగ స్వాతంత్ర్య మంది నేడు
తల్లడిల్లెను బతుకగ తనదు బిడ్డ
With regards
-Srinivas Nagulapalli
>From: "Akkiraju Bhattiprolu" <prolu@h...>
>
>Forwarding the following for Sri. Mohan Rao.
>
>-Akkiraju
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: mohan <Nsentra@e...>
>To: Akkiraju Bhattiprolu <prolu@h...>
>
> Akkiraju garu,
>
> I thought any of 'racchabanda' members will do it! OK!
>I will take the responsibility! I will add my donation to all the checks I
>receive!
Please send the check in the name of:
Mohan R. Maddipatla at 18,
Kathryn Street, Belleville, NJ 07109.
>Please do not worry Sir! I will make photo copies of all the checks I
>receive and maintain an a register as I have a photo copy machine in my
>home.After we finish I will send the check to Andhra Prabha or to any of
>you to forward it to Andhra Prabha.
>
> Small request! Will you please put this note in 'Racchbanda'?
> Regards,
> Mohan Rao
>On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:11:39 -0700, Akkiraju Bhattiprolu wrote:
>
> >
> > Sure! Tell me where I should send the check, I wil do that right away!
> >
> > Thanks for doing this!
> > -Akkiraju
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: Nsentra@e...
> > To: prolu@h...
> > Subject: Re: Request!
> >
> >
> > Akkiraju garu,
> >
> > Please let any one of us take the initiative!
> > Please!
> >
> > Mohan Rao
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: Shame on the Nation!
> >
> >
> >
> > Friends,
> >
> > Read the following news item in today's Andhra Prabha.
> > This is how the daughter of Sri Pingali Venkayya garu who designed
> > Indian National Flag lives! IS IT BECAUSE SHE HAPPENS TO BE
> > A 'TELUGIMTI AADAPADUCHU'?
> >
> > Friends, let us keep our differences apart! Please, Please
> > Let one of us collect even $5 or $10 and send it Andhra Prabha asking
> > them to hand it over to her saying it is a small gift of gratitude
> > from 'pravaasa telugu vaar' to a worthy daughter of a 'Mahaneeya
> > Desodhaarakudu'! Let one of us come forward!
> > Mohan Rao
Dr Prasad NV Tata
definitely chaff when some 30-40 posts about English translation of
SriSri Poem Ah and 20 posts between two individuals on some old
women's plight are not considered not pounding chaff.
Regards,
Tatabob
--- In racchabanda@y..., "V. Chowdary Jampala" <cjampala@d...> wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Dr Prasad NV Tata wrote:
>
> > Vookadampudu enta Danchinaa emainaa prayojanam vundaa mahasaya?
>
> I agree with Sri Prasad entirely and would very much
appreciate
> when he stops pounding the chaff.
>
> Regards -- V. Chowdary Jampala
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Srinivas Garu:
Thanks for pointing out about your feelings I am simply comparing RBs
in Palleturu with our Cyber RB.
Regards,
Tatabob
Same Token I will try to learn Rangavalli
--- In racchabanda@y..., sreeni@g... wrote:
> Prasad gaaru,
>
> Your latest messages on RB are in extremely poor taste and very
> derogatory in nature! Honestly speaking, I didn't expect seeing
such
> messages from a long-time list member like you. I would like to
> request you to honour the list charter and respect other members'
> opinions.
>
> Regards,
> Sreenivas
> Listowner రచ్చబండ
>
> --- In racchabanda@y..., "Dr Prasad NV Tata" <DRPRASADTATA@y...>
> wrote:
> > Vookadampudu enta Danchinaa emainaa prayojanam vundaa mahasaya?
> >
V. Chowdary Jampala
> ... Even if there are some
> women, they very rarely read raajakeeyaalu!
Ain't that a perpetuation of a stereotype!
> How one longs for telusa days! hata vidhee...
> - moeraa
గత కాలము మేలు వచ్చు కాలం కంటె...
Regards -- V. Chowdary Jampala
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
ari@o
> I am beginning to wonder what exactly is
>your point.
Let me see if I can articulate it. The freedom fight was
50+ years ago. There is no mention in the newspaper
article that his children were left without resources because
of his participation in the fight. His daughter was married, had
children and her present condition is because her
children would not care for her or her husband deserted her.
In any case, I don't see the connection between piMgaLi
veMkayya's freedom fight and his daughter's predicament.
The reason she evokes sympathy is because she is
veMkayya's daughter. That is fine. But to ascribe her
situation to some failing on the part of the country is
unwarranted.
Regards,
ari@o
>Any 70-year old destitue women knocking on door-to-door to eke out
>living is awful sight, but its much more so, if she is a daughter
>of a famous freedom-fighter.
>If we cannot support this, and if this is somehow misconstrued as
>treating children of freedom fighters as something different, I fail
>to understand, how else can present youth be inspired to be any
>more selfless, let alone patriotic?!
>With regards
>-Srinivas Nagulapalli
I have not "misconstrued" anything. Helping anybody is good.
I don't question that.
In this case, the newspaper would not have written an article about
her if she weren't piMgaLi veMkayya's daughter. The sentiment
therefore is that a freedom fighter's child is facing unfortunate
circumstances. And the reality is that there are countless others
in the same situation, who will not be written about because
financial hardship is not a story in the case of ordinary citizens.
I would not know how to inspire selflessness or patriotism. I wouldn't
even know if insuring their children against poverty is a good incentive for
future patriots.
regards,
Dr Prasad NV Tata
vaalla gurinchi veella gurinchi ganta rendu ganta la sepu
charchisthaaru... pellamo, kodalo bhojanam tayyaarayindi anagaane
racchabanda vodili inti kelli pothaaru... deeni valla vaalla notlo
naanina manusulaki emayinaa vorugutundaa.....
Racchabanda maa prebhuvulu namaskaaram!
--- In racchabanda@y..., Ari Sitaramayya <ari@O...> wrote:
> The etiquette on racchabanda is to participate or keep quiet; the
quiet
> is not quite the same.
>
> ari sitaramayya..
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Friends:
This harmless request is for the newcomers and
the veterans as well.
If you like your readers to enjoy your posts in
Telugu (I think most of you do!), please use
the RTS. It isn't that difficult.
If you write in "your own scheme", the transliterated
version looks and means terrible. I mean it!
If you like to have a copy of the transliteration scheme
handy, please go to the following URL
(Prasad Chodavarapu's Rangavallika page)
http://chaitanya.bhaavana.net/Rangavalli/webeditor.html
At the end you will find the scheme presented in a way
I too can understand!
Thanks & regards.
V R Veluri
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
V. Chowdary Jampala
> Thank you for agreeing on Chaff. well one post about reality is
> definitely chaff when some 30-40 posts about English translation of
> SriSri Poem Ah and 20 posts between two individuals on some old
> women's plight are not considered not pounding chaff.
Let me clarify this. I do not consider the recent discussion
between Sri ari and naagulapalli as chaff. I think it is two individuals
expressing a disagreement on a discussible issue with mutual respect. I
can't say the same thing about Dr. Tata's - what I consider to be -
supercilious, gratuitous and insulting remarks on this thread.
Dr. Tata is kindly invited to refer to the charter of the group
that he has voluntarily joined. The charter expressly permits and
encourages the kind of discussions that Dr. Tata apparently considers
chaff. If he does not like these kind of discussions, I suggest that there
is the delete button or the unsuscribe option.
Regards -- V. Chowdary Jampala
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
J. K. Mohana Rao
>
> Vudayaanne, leka pote saayam sandya lono Racchabandalo
> cherutaaru....
> vaalla gurinchi veella gurinchi ganta rendu ganta la sepu
> charchisthaaru... pellamo, kodalo bhojanam tayyaarayindi anagaane
> racchabanda vodili inti kelli pothaaru... deeni valla vaalla notlo
> naanina manusulaki emayinaa vorugutundaa.....
> Racchabanda maa prebhuvulu namaskaaram!
It would be interesting to know what the male / female mebership ratio
for racchabanda is and how many women read rb regularly. My own
guess is rb has predominatly male membership. Even if there are some
women, they very rarely read raajakeeyaalu!
How one longs for telusa days! hata vidhee...
- moeraa
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
Srinivas Nagulapalli
>Let me see if I can articulate it. The freedom fight was
>50+ years ago. There is no mention in the newspaper
>article that his children were left without resources because
>of his participation in the fight.
True, newspaper did not mention it and it is unnecessary to
mention it. Whoever knows anything about freedom struggle can
easily imagine that freedom fighters only lost resources, wealth,
health and even lives and not gained resources/money for their
imprisonment and struggle. To state that is to insult the
intelligence of common man.
>His daughter was married, had children and her present condition is because
>her children would not care for her or her husband deserted her.
How do you know that? Is that your conclusion or newspaper's?
Do I have to state the obvious- that her present condition would
still be different, if she inherited money/property, and especially
different when her children are not caring or husband deserting?
>In any case, I don't see the connection between piMgaLi
>veMkayya's freedom fight and his daughter's predicament.
Let me try again. If an individual lost all his accumulated
wealth and fortune including career in nation struggle,
and spent years in imprisonment, and even struggled in utter poverty
in his last days, can we not imagine its impact and toll on
his ability to raise kid(s) adequately and enable them to
grow to succeed, let alone not able to leave any wealth as his
heritage to jump start their lives?? What part of this connection
you don't see or you don't agree?
I found it useful reading "marapu raani manushulu" by Sri Tirumala
Ramachandra, published by Appajosyula Foundation about Sri piMgaLi
veMkayya's life, struggles and sacrifices and I recommend it for
anyone.
>The reason she evokes sympathy is because she is
>veMkayya's daughter. That is fine. But to ascribe her
>situation to some failing on the part of the country is
>unwarranted.
Of course it is warranted! It is definitely the failing of
country to provide some opportunity for her to lead a
dignified life, even if that is a simple one. In US, you
may very well know, every city or even small town have
what are Veterans Hospitals solely to cater to soldiers-
decorated or not. If a nation cannot provide some opportunity
for freedom fighters' own children, how can it take care of
innumerable equally deprived ones? Again, country is nothing
but a collection of people, not just government alone.
So if government and we as a community cannot provide opportunity
to people like her to lead destitue-free life, I consider
that is as not just a failing but also as an ungrateful,
sensitiveless and inhuman gesture.
With regards
-Srinivas Nagulapalli
V. Chowdary Jampala
offer some observations on this issue.
1) For somebody who has left the group in a huff, Sri Nsentra
manages to have a significant presence (and apparently significant
interest too) in this group :)
2) The article in Andhra Prabha about Sri piMgaLi venkayya's
daughter evokes predictable responses. Personally, I am sorry to see a 70
year old woman being forced to eke out a living by door to door selling (I
do admire her spirit), all the more so because she is the daughter
of somebody whose name we speak of with a lot of pride and reverence. Any
individual or collective efforts to help her are to be commended.
3) Anecdotes like this evoke emotional responses. (Somebody
mentioned the Department of Veterans Affairs in US, an agency that I work
for. Similar responses are seen any time the media writes about a homeless
veteran). While it is easy to criticise the society and the government
when we hear of such anecdotes, one needs to remember that each individual
story is different and the underlying factors may be very different from
the assumptions we immediately make. A simple, short newspaper article
aiming at sensationalization does not always give you the full picture.
(For example, Sri venkayya also had two sons. The article does not tell us
if they and their families are in similar straits or if their lot in life
has been better. A little more effort by the reporter and editor could
have given us a more complete story).
>From what I know, both the Government of India and the state
governments have had programs in place for several decades to honor and
support people who participated in the freedom struggle. These programs
include financial support (monthly pensions, I believe), allocation of
lands, preferences in employment, and some other minor benefits (free
train travel etc). I do not know how well they have kept pace with
inflation and how well they are administered. I think the government and
the sociey did take its duty seriously. It would surprise me if similar
benefits were not available to Sri Venkayya during his lifetime. (I have
read - in the same article that Sri Nagualapalli refers to - that a fund
was raised for him shortly before his death in 1963).
There are other issues here worth thinking about: how much and how
far does a society's obligation extend in service of those that risk their
life and welfare in service of others? When people take such risks as part
of their employment, those obligations are well defined. However, when
such risks are taken in pursuit of an ideal, often those risks remain
entirely personal with the person and his family suffering all the
consequences of such pursuits. In the case of freedom fighters, some of
them may have received some benefits, but there are many that have lost
much (including lives) in other struggles in pursuit of their ideals
serving others that have never had such help. I disagree with Sri Srinivas
that such risks in the pursuit of one's ideals can be inspired by the
promise of society taking care of their future.
4) Not to belittle Sri Venkayya's memory or his participation in
the freedom struggle, but we should distinguish myth from reality: In my
readings on piMgaLi venkayya (including the bio in marapuraani maneeshi,
which incidentally was not written by tirumala raamachandra, but mallaadi
kRshNaanaMd), I do not remember reading anything about him being jailed
during the freedom struggle. It may also not be true that he was
unemployed for long stretches of time. One biography that I have states
that he retired from active politics in 1922 (the year after the Tricolor
was first unfurled) and went on to Presidency College to study geology and
minerology at the age of 44. As parigi mentioned, he was a remarkable,
adventurous man with a quest for knowledge, and an obsession about a
National flag.
More about PV and the national flag later, time permitting.
Regards -- V. Chowdary Jampala
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/
Dr Prasad NV Tata
Panini
> So too, acknowledging and assisting not a stone, but a living
> elderly woman and daughter of great freedom fighter to lead a
> dignified life in her last years, is, if not "legal", atleast
> moral/ethical responsibility of the country and community that
> received from her family much more than it ever could repay. And
> doing that, is not so much as to help her out, as she and her
> family already paid heavily for the sacrifices, but more so to
> express our sensitivity and recognition of the services
> contributed in a grateful and humane manner.
In this context, the link below points to a news item describing
the decision by AP govt to provide "housing and pension" to Sree
Pingali Venkayya's heirs:
http://telugu.indiainfo.com/news/2001/8/15/pingali.html
Happy Independence Day!
Regards,
Panini
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--- In racchabanda@y..., vrveluri <vrveluri@m...> wrote:
> Dr Prasad NV Tata wrote:
> >
> > Here is an indication that Naxalism lost its relavence and main
> > objective in Andhra Pradesh. For long time I have been telling
> > Communism is a wrong model for India.
> >
> > Vizianagaram Bidda
>
> Wow!
>
> A hundred and eighty years after the storming of Bastille,
> Henry Kissinger famously asked Mao's comrade and deputy Zhou Enlai
> whether he thought the French Revolution had been a success.
> Zhou is said to have replied, " It's too early to tell."
>
Dear Sri Veluri Garu
If it is too early now, When do you think will be the time to
evaluate the merits and the relevence of any cult or
revolutionary movement (take your pick)? If it is to
early now whent housnads of dalits and downtrodden are
massacred is icreased to millions? Or when there are no
people left so that we have an utopian land where only animals
live and no human beings?
Have you read the recent news item where a middle aged women
from a backwartd family was cut into half and placed
two parts in two ends of a village? This does not
make your stomack puke, I am speachless.
Here is a basic question: Is there any inherent value
for huhuman life beyond all the "religious" affiliations
and idealogies or whatever? If not, for whose benefit is the
revolution? Very mundane question indeed. But I am not
getting any answers!
Regards
Srini
Courtesy: http://www.kanneganti.com/