Re: [racchabanda] Sampradayamu

[Sreenivas Paruchuri]

> Is wearing on left or right is to do with caste? class?
> region? or a mixture of class caste region? Please enlighten.

As Mohanarao gaaru said there is no right or wrong way of wearing!
Generally the "Right hand castes" wear it on left side and the "left
hand castes" the opposite way. (For a good discussion on Right and Left
hand castes see Prof. Velcheru's essay "6 Folk epics" published in
"Another Harmony", edited by Stuart Blackburn and A.K. Ramanujan. UC
Berkeley Press, 1986)
But over times these differences have got blurred. Remember the Telugu
proverb: కులానికి కుడిపైట, ఎన్నికకి ఎడమపైట?

Even in some Brahmin families you see the left and right distinction. I am
aware of some migrant Marathi Brahmin families, who still wear it on
right side though they migrated to Telugu country centuries ago. You
should closely follow ritual functions in families to study such
matters.

Regards,
Sreenivas

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[r.chintam@c]

Namasthe!In Cuddapah district and Nellore district,many older women's (1950s )pamita kongu was on right side,somehow our telugu sampradyalu and achaaralu are learn from movies now a days.still if you travel in these districts,you will find this custom.1980's all young girls in A.P.(for major functions )wore saree kongu in front, Gujarathi style ofcourse now it is out of style.

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[J. K. Mohana Rao]

Bhaskar Teegela wrote:

> Is wearing on left or right is to do with caste?
> class?
> region? or a mixture of class caste region? Please
> enlighten.

There is no right or wrong way of weraing a sari.
It is purely based on the prevailing custom. The
prevailing custom, to some extent, is regional
as well as caste based. In the southern states,
it is common for women to wear with the sari
on the left shoulder. As viewed from above,
the sari is wrapped anti-clockwise. Such a
helix is called a right-handed helix. In fact,
that is how I some time instruct students to
remember the right-handed helix! In the
north and west India, the sari is usually worn
with the pallu placed on the right shoulder
forming a left-handed helix.

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[Bhaskar Teegela]

I have uploaded two pictures I got from Malaysia.

1. A couple who left as plantation labour from
Santapalem (near Kothavalasa, Vizianagaram Dist) in
early 1900 to Malaysia)

2. A Telugu School in Perak State of Malaysia in early
1950s (all subjects were taught in Telugu in nearly 60
schools in early 50s and 60s in Malaysia)

A frequent question from elderly females (who are
above 55 years of age)is about pyta.

What is the right way to put the pyta
(saree's).Whether on right or left shoulder.
The picture 1 shows it is on right shoulder. Many
Malaysian Telugu ladies wear the same way and they say
it is the right way. They also view that pyta on left
shoulder is not Telugu custom.

Any opinion?

Is wearing on left or right is to do with caste?
class?
region? or a mixture of class caste region? Please
enlighten.

Bhaskar

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[Dr. J. K. Mohan Rao]

r.chintam@c... wrote:

>(in) 1980's all young girls in A.P.(for major functions )wore saree kongu in front, Gujarathi style; of course now it is out of style.
>
I forgot to mention this earlier. The three ways of wearing the sari are:
(1) At the left front of the waist, the sari is on the left side and
goes across the
chest to the right shoulder. This is left-handed helical wrap.
(2) At the right front of the waist, the sari is on the right side and
goes across the
chest to the left shoulder. This is a right-handed helical wrap.
(3) The sari coming from the back across the right shoulder (as
mentioned above).
This is also a right-handed helical wrap.
I have not seen any body wearing a left-handed helical wrap from behind
(mirror
image of what Sri Chintam wrote) the left shoulder.

All the above relate to how the sari is worn above the waist.
But older women in the south use the nine-yard sari and these women
donot wear a skirt, but use what is known as kacCha. It means
literally belt or border. Any way, the sari is tucked behind so that the
two legs are separated thus making it comfortable for walking and doing
work. There are various ways of achieving this kaccha. Iyers do in one
way, Iyengars do in another, the Marathis do in yet another way, the
Kannadigas do it differently.

At one time, the seven-yard sari was used and in this the first
wrap-arounds
serve the purpose of a skirt and the rest of the wear is in the usual way.

Of course, we also have the half-sari that is almost going out of
existence.

I think our woman friends may be in a better position to comment on
this subject. Regards! - J K Mohana Rao

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[Dr. J. K. Mohan Rao]

r.chintam@c... wrote:

>kudi edamiethe porapatuledooe!
>
There is a great difference between right and left. Proteins made of
amino acids
have the so-called left-handed chirality, whereas the nucleotides that
make up
the DNA have the right-handed chirality. The opposite handed chemicals are
useless and some of them with the opposite polarity like the thalidomide
may
cause irreparable harm to the body. We do the pradakshiNams traditionally
in a clockwise fashion (left-handed way). The svAstika signs before
Hindu Gods
are always clock-wise. Similarly like sari, those who wear
the yaj~nOpavIta (jaMdemu) wear it on the left shoulder. Only in
ceremonial rites involving death, it is put on the right shoulder
(apasavya).

As far as the song goes, it is doubtful what the poet means. Is it
eDamu or eDama?

srinivAs gAru wrote:

> theres a wonderful book on "Sari" published by Orient Longman in
> late 70s.

There is a book written by Boulanger the details of which are given below:
Saris: An Illustrated Guide to the
Indian Art of Draping
Written and illustratred by Chantal Boulanger

There was a radio essay on NPR (National Public Radio in the US)
by Shobha Narayanan one time (may be two or three years ago). It
was the experiences of the author on wearing a sari and the
difficulties she faced in New York.

[r.chintam@c]

well take it easy sir! do not bring sampradayulu and apply scientific knowledge to easy going cinema songs-or this ,so called customs that vary with desa , kaala ,paristhithulu.helix of DNA and sari wrapping are not at all comparable.we all know the difference between dominant side of parietal lobe and also right and left sided brain lesions that cuase devastating effects on our motor and sensory function. i do not mean literally that kudi edemaithe porapatu ledani kadu,kastha rachbanda mida koochuni mogallantha sari ni gurinichi discussion pettarametabba oni badha.

[Immature Mature]

Naaku telisi, being Brahmin, I know, arava Bs (both ayyar and ayyangars) typically use kudi paita (whether it is 9 yards or regular ). Also, some Bs in Andhra (like Nellore probably) use kudi paita, I think they are refered as " ARAMA DRAVIDULU". I remember, sometimes, (particularly, when intlo pillalaki sambhandhalu choostunnappudu), deeni gurinchi ekkuva vinapaduthundedi.
"Vaallu brahmale, mana vaalle, kaani valla acharalu, avi aravalla laga vuntayi, mukhyamga, aadavallu kudi pamita vestaru" antoo explanations vastundevi.

Ayina, PAMITA and Cheera gurinchi inta "Racchcha" (I mean discussion) avuthunte,
No PAMITA is not joining for discussion. There are no members or they do not feel like discussing about the same.

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[Murty, Katta]

-----Original Message-----
From: Bhaskar Teegela [mailto:pandajenny@y...]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:06 AM
To: racch...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [racchabanda] Sampradayamu

ఉత్సాహకరమైన ప్ర్శ్న. మా ఆవిడ ఇప్పుడు స్కిర్త్-లు, ద్రెస్స్-లు
వేసుకుంటుందనుకోండి. కానీ తను చీరలు ధరించినప్పుడు
పైట ఎప్పుడూ కుడివఈపు వేసుకున్నట్లు గుర్తు.

ఈది కొంతవరకూ ఆ స్త్రీ హస్తవాశిని (అంటే ఆవిడ రాయడం, పనులు
చెయ్యడం
కుడిచేత్తోన లేక ఎడమచేత్తోనా చేశేది) బట్టి ఉంటుందనుకుంటున్నాను.
కట్టా మూర్తి.

What is the right way to put the pyta
(saree's).Whether on right or left shoulder.
The picture 1 shows it is on right shoulder. Many
Malaysian Telugu ladies wear the same way and they say
it is the right way. They also view that pyta on left
shoulder is not Telugu custom.

Any opinion?

Is wearing on left or right is to do with caste?
class?
region? or a mixture of class caste region? Please
enlighten.

Bhaskar

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[Hemantha Kumar]

I think "they" must be amused by all of this and enjoying, before throwing their lot into this. :-)

Hemantha

Immature Mature <gmcsfdc@y...> wrote:
Ayina, PAMITA and Cheera gurinchi inta "Racchcha" (I mean discussion) avuthunte, No PAMITA is (not) joining for discussion. There are no members or they do not feel like discussing about the same (?).

[Sreenivas Paruchuri]

BTW theres a wonderful book on "Sari" published by Orient Longman in
late 70s.

Regards,
Sreenivas

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[r.chintam@c]

hello!those kudi pamita vallu,nonbrahmins.i am talking about remote villages,eventoday you can see good old ladies wearing kudi paita.kudi edamiethe porapatuledooe!

[Padmaja Kasireddy]

Chintam garu,
Naaku ee kudi eduma pitala gurinchi anta teliyadu lendi. Edi evari sampradayamo ani. Naaku gurthu vunatavaraku maa amma,ammamma inka older generations anta eduma pite vesaru. Meeru anukuntundochu ee reply enduku naaku address chesi vuna ani. Well inta discussion lo aadavaru evaru join avatam ledu anaru kada anduku. Peddaga add chesedi emi ledu kanuka meeru anta pampistuna comments chaduvutuna. mee comments vini rayalsindei ani anukuna :)

Padma

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