Re: [racchabanda] Re: A story from Lenin Dhanisetty
V. Chowdary Jampala
> That 'stream of consiousness' form
> used in this tory is very old to Telugu readers.
>
> I could recollect that many stories and novels also come to this
> category. చివరకు మిగిలేది, ఊబిలో దున్న, హిమజ్వాల, అనుక్షనికం,
> అంపసయ్య, తపన etc... In all these works we can see many
Though chivaraku migilEdi (and occasionally asamarthuDi
jeevayaatra) is often included in the list of stream of consciousness
works in Telugu, it is not a SoC novel (it has a psychoanalytically
inspired theme and symbols). himajwaala and anukshaNikam use SoC only in
parts of the novel. raaviSaastri's alpajeevi may be the first in the
genre, but even alpajeevi is not really a SoC work though it has many
features of it. It has been so long since I read 'oobilO dunna' that I
don't remember if it is an SoC work or not. ampaSayya definitely is. So is
tapana. nEnoo cheekati for the most part is.
> characters with their own 'bubbling of thoughts'. Some of them have
> direction and others may not have.Vallampati Venkatasubbiah once
> commented that అనుక్షనికం (the most disturbing novel of 80's))-
> ఏ రాజకీయాలు లేని అరాచక నవల. (If we think that a goal and
I realize that there were not many good Telugu novels in the 80s, but
anukshaNikam was the most disturbing novel of the 80s? I read it in late
90s after a couple of positive posts about it in telusa. Not much
impressed by it. Though the different technics used in different parts of
the novel were interesting, the novel had no soul; the characters were
two dimensional and more carricatures than characters. I am tempted to say
that the writer (vaDDera chanDeedaas) was taking the readers for a ride.
> Yes ,the 'direction less' characters have suddenly come to the
> agenda for many writers (from Chandidas to VCR , Nagabhatla, Lenin
> Dhanisetty and others)in the recent times. Why?
> What we have to understand here is, the 'direction less' is
> the 'direction' here. It shows the disturbance,
> pain ,suffocation ,the good bad and ugly face of the present
> generation .
I have read two stories of lenin dhaniseTTi - the one under
discussion and 'mounaveeNa gaanamidi' published in katha-98. Both of them
left me puzzled at the praise that is being heaped on him. Story is a
loosely applied term for these two works. Putting the politics of the
works aside, there is no internal consistency within these works nor even
a framework of (even anarchic or absurd) ideas. I could not see (and
therefore decipher) any symbols or motifs (if any are really there) in
these stories. The stories are pretentious in their style, but are
eminently forgettable. I read these 'works' and am tempted to say,
'So...'?
> They represent the 'present state' of ( at least a section of )
> people , which is more valid at this juncture i.e where sectional
> movements arose for thier 'own' demands. I think this is what VCR
> also presents in his stories .
I have failed to see the sectional movements in these
two works of dhaniseTTi.
I think VCR's stories are much richer in what they are trying to
present. Even when one doesn't agree with his politics, his stories are
arresting and his story telling skill awe-inducing.
> are 'living' characters in the society. So , the protogonist(?), in
> Lenin Dhanisetty's story also ,has his own history like every human
> being.
But, it is not clear to me that even the author (forget about poor
me) knows that history well. Does he know his protagonist any better than
the reader?
> The failure and success of this story depends on the strength of the
> author which needs another discussion.
So, are you going to start that discussion?
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Ari@o...
I am terribly biased against a heavy use of forced English in Telugu short
stories. May be that is what turned me off. Stream of consciousness - I am
not sure what it is, but it apparently doesn't bother me if civaraku
migiledi is indeed in that style.
regards,
Sitaramayya.
>
> Though I don't have any comments on Ari's impression...I have my
> own doubts on this story . How can we differentiate a pseudo and a
> original intellectual effort?. That 'stream of consiousness' form
> used in this tory is very old to Telugu readers.
>
> I could recollect that many stories and novels also come to this
> category. చివరకు మిగిలేది, ఊబిలో దున్న, హిమజ్వాల, అనుక్షనికం,
> అంపసయ్య, తపన etc... In all these works we can see many
> characters with their own 'bubbling of thoughts'. Some of them have
> direction and others may not have.Vallampati Venkatasubbiah once
> commented that అనుక్షనికం (the most disturbing novel of 80's))-
> ఏ రాజకీయాలు లేని అరాచక నవల. (If we think that a goal and
> direction is must for a story/novel obviously అంపసయ్య is the
> only one novel that comes to this catagory.)
>
> Yes ,the 'direction less' characters have suddenly come to the
> agenda for many writers (from Chandidas to VCR , Nagabhatla, Lenin
> Dhanisetty and others)in the recent times. Why?
>
> What we have to understand here is, the 'direction less' is
> the 'direction' here. It shows the disturbance,
> pain ,suffocation ,the good bad and ugly face of the present
> generation .
>
> They represent the 'present state' of ( at least a section of )
> people , which is more valid at this juncture i.e where sectional
> movements arose for thier 'own' demands. I think this is what VCR
> also presents in his stories .
>
> Some times VCR's reader also feel that he is glamorising the anarchy
> patterns in his stories. Whether he glamorises or not, they
> are 'living' characters in the society. So , the protogonist(?), in
> Lenin Dhanisetty's story also ,has his own history like every human
> being.
>
> The failure and success of this story depends on the strength of the
> author which needs another discussion.
>
> -Suresh
>
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>Subject: Re: [racchabanda] A story from Lenin Dhanisetty
>Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:58:42 -0400 (EDT)
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>My impression: the story is a pseudo intellectual effort.
>Vexation with everything around, with no direction and
>no goal, no point.
>
>May be an attempt at copying VCR's style. To that extent he was
>somewhat successful. But VCR leaves me thinking. Dhanisetty didn't.
>He left me irritated.
>
>Regards,
>Ari Sitaramayya.
>
>
>On Tue, 30 May 2000, suresh wrote:
>
> > Read Lenin Dhanisetty's story నువ్వూ నేనూ ఆకాశం at
> > www.telugukatha.com
> >
> > This young writer has been writing since last one or two years.
> > One of his stories is already published in Katha-98 .
> >
> > His another story 'www.yantraraakshasi.com'(Sunday Ajyothi) got much
> > popularity in the recent times.
> >
> > -Suresh
> >
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suresh
www.telugukatha.com
This young writer has been writing since last one or two years.
One of his stories is already published in Katha-98 .
His another story 'www.yantraraakshasi.com'(Sunday Ajyothi) got much
popularity in the recent times.
-Suresh
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> Forgive my ignorance, but VCR anagaa nEmi? thanks, Bapa Rao
He is V Chandrasekhar Rao , the author of 'Lenin Place' anthology.
> >From: "Ari@o..." <ari@O...>> >
> >My impression: the story is a pseudo intellectual effort.
> >Vexation with everything around, with no direction and
> >no goal, no point.
> >
> >May be an attempt at copying VCR's style. To that extent he was
> >somewhat successful. But VCR leaves me thinking. Dhanisetty didn't.
> >He left me irritated.
> >
Though I don't have any comments on Ari's impression...I have my
-Suresh
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Subject: Re: [racchabanda] Literature as a source of history - An interview with Prof. Shulman
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I have gone through Shulman's Interview article. I do not think that there
is anything there that neccessitstes revision of opinion about p.v.g.m which
claims that puranas are gospel truths. Everybody agrees that puranas do
contain at core some history.The problem is how to separate myth from fact.
Viswanatha Satyanarayana is a paranoid who claims that there has been
a conspiracy extending over several millenniums to falsify Indian history
and belittle Hindus by westerners. He makes this suggestion in one of the
novels of p.v.g.m.
Sarma.
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>I realize that there were not many good Telugu novels in the 80s, but
>anukshaNikam was the most disturbing novel of the 80s? I read it in late
>90s after a couple of positive posts about it in telusa. Not much
>impressed by it. Though the different technics used in different parts of
>the novel were interesting, the novel had no soul; the characters were
>two dimensional and more carricatures than characters. I am tempted to say
>that the writer (vaDDera chanDeedaas) was taking the readers for a ride.
>
All that above you said about anukshaNikam may be true. I read that long
back and I cannot categorically argue on the specifics of this novel now.
Yup, I am for one liked the novel from the cover page to the end when I read
it.
But I want to state one fact, for some reason this novel became a favorite
of almost all the college students I knew around. People who haven't read
anything beyond tulasidaLam also have read this book and had an opinion. I
never understood what one perticular aspect of this book that made all these
people to read. It is certainly not an entertainer or a thriller like
tulasidaLam. But still it managed to reach so many.... I am not giving
this as a reason to add this to the list of classics, but I am trying to
understand... what is that so special in this book?
May be, it is something SankarAbharaNam movie. Kind of relief from the
totally messed up productions both in literature and movies at that time.
Also, I want to mention about the series "city lights" of కంఠం నేని
రాధాక్రిష్నముర్థ్ in పల్లకి magazine in late 80's or in early 90's.
Even that series just flows as a stream. May not be a great series.. but a
good one, I liked them. Don't know if the series came out in a book form
or not.
-Akkiraju Bhattiprolu
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V. Chowdary Jampala
> బుచ్చిబాబు లాగా చండీదాస్ కూడా శక్తివంతమైన రచయిత. రాయటం లో ఇద్దరికీ తమ స్వంతమయిన బలమూ, బలహీనతా ఉన్నాయి. ఆ నవల serialise అయ్యేప్పుడు దాని మీద చాలా వివాదం జరిగింది. ఓల్గా లాంటి వాళ్ళెందరో దాన్ని ఆపుచెయ్యమని ఊరేగింపు తీయటం ఒక జ్నాపకం.
> ఆ నవల లో రచయితకు ప్రాతినిధ్యం వహించే పాత్ర శ్రీపతిది ఓ విచిత్రమయిన పాత్ర. భూస్వామ్య విలువల్ని నిలువెల్లా త్రుణీకరిమ్చే అతను మరొక వైపు "అదెవితో రమీజాబీ అట. దాన్ని పోలీసులు చంపితే ఈstudents కెందుకూ గొడవ , పనీ పాటా లేక అంటాడు. భూస్వామ్య విలువల్ని తమ తమ కోణాల్లోంచి నిలువెల్లా ద్వేషించిన Ravisastri, Chandi Das ఇద్దరిలో ఆ వైరుధ్యం ఉండటం లో ఆశ్చర్యం లేదు గాని, నీలి మేఘాలు కి ముందు మాట Chandi Das తో ర�°
�యించటమే ఆశ్చర్యం . ఇంతకూ శ్రిపతి పాత్ర అందరి లో ఉందని చెప్పటమే నా ఉద్దేశ్యం.
> అలాగే "అడుక్కు తినే ఆంధ్ర బామన పోరి ని చేసుకుంటావురా అని Mohan Reddy తండ్రీ, "తక్కువ కులం వాడే దొరికాడా నీకూ "అని Gayatri తండ్రీ అరవటం. శ్రీపతి ని ఆదర్శీకరించకపోవటం.
> ఆ రకంగా ఆ నవల చాలా disturbance కలిగిస్తుంది of cousrse , at least to a section of people.
>
> >I read it in late
> > 90s after a couple of positive posts about it in telusa. Not much
> > impressed by it. Though the different technics used in different parts of
> > the novel were interesting, the novel had no soul; the characters were
> > two dimensional and more carricatures than characters.
> > I am tempted to say
> > that the writer (vaDDera chanDeedaas) was taking the readers for a ride.
>
> I think we can not question / comment on reader's personal impression for a novel or story .Because that impresion depends on so many other subjective conditions like mood, temperment, personal experiences , openions etc... (In fact ,I experienced similar response for the novel తపన. Though, I was impressed by that novel , few of my friends have very bad openion on that).
My problem with anukshaNikam is as follows: There are several
characters in that novel that can be considered lead characters (Sreepati,
svapnaraagaleena, ravi etc). The writer glamorizes some of these
characters early on (the characterization is not much different than one
seen in the 'romances' that were popular in 60s and 70s), and some of them
are archtypes (or, less charitably, stereotypes). Despite the prententious
style, the writer treats all the characters rather superficially. It is
difficult to draw a bead on any of them. The occasional SoC creates the
illusion of giving insights into the character's mind, but it is just an
illusion. (Compare this to his earlier work, himajvaala; one would notice
the difference in how he creates his scenes and draws his characters).
This is not to say that the book was not a good read. It is a good
'popular' novel, easy to read, good for passing time; and am certain that
it was a very popular serial. Touches superficially some of the issues of
the time and gives the feel of a univeristy campus of the late 70s. Oddly,
the one scene that I thought to be most touching featured a minor
character (the father who loves his daughter - that strayed and was
publicly humiliated - and avenges her humiliation).
>From what you have said, it appears that the 'disturbance' was the
instantaneous reaction to contemporary connotations as it was being
serialized. My context of reading it was entirely different.
> I would like to refer the present story(?) of Danisetty as a 'sketch', rather than 'short story'. ఒకానొక గందరగోళ స్థితి ని ప్రతిబింబించే ఒక snap shot లాంటి ప్రయత్నం ఉంది ఇందులో. అయితే ఆ ప్రయత్నం లో రచయిత విజయం సాధించలేక పోయాడంటే ఒప్పుకోడానికి నాకేమీ అభ్యంతరం లేదు .
>
నాకూ అభ్యంతరం లేదు :) I just hope that I don't see it again
in katha-99.
> అందులో కనిపించే అలోచనల ధోరణీ ,ఆ పాత్రా ఇవ్వాళ తెలుగు దేశం లో ఎదిగి వస్తున్న ఒక తరానికి ప్రాతినిధ్యం వహిస్తాయని నేను అనుకుంటాను.
But, even that needs to be inferred by us; and not with a great
degree of certainity either!
> Well, I am also much interested to know the answer for this question ..."Do they(రచయిత తో సహా నా తరం మొత్తం) know thier history?".
I was not referring to history in general, but to the history of
the protagonist. How well does the writer know his protagonist and the
other characters? It doesn't appear that he knows him well.
V. Chowdary Jampala
> But I want to state one fact, for some reason this novel became a favorite
> of almost all the college students I knew around. People who haven't read
> anything beyond tulasidaLam also have read this book and had an opinion. I
> never understood what one perticular aspect of this book that made all these
> people to read. It is certainly not an entertainer or a thriller like
> tulasidaLam.
I think it is an entertainer, even if not a thriller.
Its popularity does not surprise me. The novel reads well, and most of the
characters and situations are very dramatic. It has romance, sex and politics.
The canvas is wide. And, there are not that many novels about college life for
college students to relate to.
What surprised me was that novel being described as the most disturbing
novel of the 80s.
> Also, I want to mention about the series "city lights" of కంఠం నేని
> రాధాక్రిష్నముర్థ్ in పల్లకి magazine in late 80's or in early 90's.
> Even that series just flows as a stream. May not be a great series.. but a
> good one, I liked them. Don't know if the series came out in a book form
> or not.
Not familiar with it or the author at all. Can anybody shed some more light?
What was the series about?
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suresh990@g
Sri Jampala wrote ...
>raaviSaastri's alpajeevi may be the first in the
> genre, but even alpajeevi is not really a SoC work though it has many
> features of it. It has been so long since I read 'oobilO dunna' that I
> don't remember if it is an SoC work or not.
Since there exists only two characters (a village surpanch and a buffalo ) through out the novel, there is a large scope for the author (Vinukonda Nagaraju) to utilise the 'stream of consiousness ' technique in that . Yes, in other works it was partially , but effectively , used to elevate certain moods and thoughts of some characters.
ampaSayya definitely is. So is
> tapana. nEnoo cheekati for the most part is.
>
> > characters with their own 'bubbling of thoughts'. Some of them have
> > direction and others may not have.Vallampati Venkatasubbiah once
> > commented that అనుక్షనికం (the most disturbing novel of 80's))-
> > ఏ రాజకీయాలు లేని అరాచక నవల. (If we think that a goal and
>
> I realize that there were not many good Telugu novels in the 80s, but
> anukshaNikam was the most disturbing novel of the 80s?
బుచ్చిబాబు లాగా చండీదాస్ కూడా శక్తివంతమైన రచయిత. రాయటం లో ఇద్దరికీ తమ స్వంతమయిన బలమూ, బలహీనతా ఉన్నాయి. ఆ నవల serialise అయ్యేప్పుడు దాని మీద చాలా వివాదం జరిగింది. ఓల్గా లాంటి వాళ్ళెందరో దాన్ని ఆపుచెయ్యమని ఊరేగింపు తీయటం ఒక జ్నాపకం.
ఆ నవల లో రచయితకు ప్రాతినిధ్యం వహించే పాత్ర శ్రీపతిది ఓ విచిత్రమయిన పాత్ర. భూస్వామ్య విలువల్ని నిలువెల్లా త్రుణీకరిమ్చే అతను మరొక వైపు "అదెవితో రమీజాబీ అట. దాన్ని పోలీసులు చంపితే ఈstudents కెందుకూ గొడవ , పనీ పాటా లేక అంటాడు. భూస్వామ్య విలువల్ని తమ తమ కోణాల్లోంచి నిలువెల్లా ద్వేషించిన Ravisastri, Chandi Das ఇద్దరిలో ఆ వైరుధ్యం ఉండటం లో ఆశ్చర్యం లేదు గాని, నీలి మేఘాలు కి ముందు మాట Chandi Das తో రాà
��ించటమే ఆశ్చర్యం . ఇంతకూ శ్రిపతి పాత్ర అందరి లో ఉందని చెప్పటమే నా ఉద్దేశ్యం.
అలాగే "అడుక్కు తినే ఆంధ్ర బామన పోరి ని చేసుకుంటావురా అని Mohan Reddy తండ్రీ, "తక్కువ కులం వాడే దొరికాడా నీకూ "అని Gayatri తండ్రీ అరవటం. శ్రీపతి ని ఆదర్శీకరించకపోవటం.
ఆ రకంగా ఆ నవల చాలా disturbance కలిగిస్తుంది of cousrse , at least to a section of people.
>I read it in late
> 90s after a couple of positive posts about it in telusa. Not much
> impressed by it. Though the different technics used in different parts of
> the novel were interesting, the novel had no soul; the characters were
> two dimensional and more carricatures than characters.
> I am tempted to say
> that the writer (vaDDera chanDeedaas) was taking the readers for a ride.
I think we can not question / comment on reader's personal impression for a novel or story .Because that impresion depends on so many other subjective conditions like mood, temperment, personal experiences , openions etc... (In fact ,I experienced similar response for the novel తపన. Though, I was impressed by that novel , few of my friends have very bad openion on that).
>there is no internal consistency within these works nor even
> a framework of (even anarchic or absurd) ideas. I could not see (and
> therefore decipher) any symbols or motifs (if any are really there) in
> these stories. The stories are pretentious in their style, but are
> eminently forgettable. I read these 'works' and am tempted to say,
> 'So...'?
I would like to refer the present story(?) of Danisetty as a 'sketch', rather than 'short story'. ఒకానొక గందరగోళ స్థితి ని ప్రతిబింబించే ఒక snap shot లాంటి ప్రయత్నం ఉంది ఇందులో. అయితే ఆ ప్రయత్నం లో రచయిత విజయం సాధించలేక పోయాడంటే ఒప్పుకోడానికి నాకేమీ అభ్యంతరం లేదు .
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> But, it is not clear to me that even the author (forget about poor
> me) knows that history well. Does he know his protagonist any better than
> the reader?
అందులో కనిపించే అలోచనల ధోరణీ ,ఆ పాత్రా ఇవ్వాళ తెలుగు దేశం లో ఎదిగి వస్తున్న ఒక తరానికి ప్రాతినిధ్యం వహిస్తాయని నేను అనుకుంటాను.
Well, I am also much interested to know the answer for this question ..."Do they(రచయిత తో సహా నా తరం మొత్తం) know thier history?".
> So, are you going to start that discussion?
Personally I feel that it is a weak story...sorry 'sketch'.
-Suresh
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