initial thoughts

[Stuart Yeates]

I won't be at the upcoming meeting, but have taken a look at the ODD and have some feedback. I'm looking at http://www.empirikom.net/pub/Themen/CmcTEI/cmc-odd.xml which I hope is the current ODD file.

* The ODD isn't dated, numbered or versioned. I suggest this, both because it opens us to prospects of improvement and correction, the addition of examples, and because it would enable us to track current and future changes in the TEI.

* The ODD doesn't say what version of P5 it is tested against. P5 is a whole family of versions of TEI. For semi automated and automated testing it's useful to say whether you're referring to svn HEAD, or one of the releases (see http://www.tei-c.org/Vault/P5/ for a history of releases).

* I suggest that the <availability/> of the ODD use a machine readable URL to a widely known license (i.e. a CreativeCcommons one).
 
* I suggest tighter standardisation of some of the names and values to uniformly English and common style: remove the space in <valItem ident=" animated"/> to <valItem ident="animated"/>; change addrFunktion to addressedFunction; alignment of @topology with @place (see http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-att.placement.html ); etc.

* I strongly recommend changing the name of @style, maybe to @cultureOfOrigin. 'style' already means too many different things to too many people, including the HTML community. Also having a closed list of cultures seems like a mistake.

* There are references to "“Grammatik der deutschen Sprache” (Zifonun, Hoffmann & Strecker 1997)" Is this online? Having a clickable link greatly increases the chances that people will check with the original source.

* In my experience, examples are hugely important for communicating TEI.

Also, if we're eating our own dogfood, I have logs from the #tei-c IRC channel we can use for examples if anyone is keen

cheers
stuart

["Michael Beißwenger"]

Dear Stuart,

thanks a lot for your valuable suggestions on the design of the ODD
document of the schema that was presented in the jTEI - and sorry for the
late reply (in the past weeks, we were occupied with preparing the SIG
meeting and the CMC panel for the MM). Now that we'll proceed working on
concepts for representing CMC in TEI, we'll take your suggestions into
consideration for further versions of the ODD.

We'll add a little report about the 1st SIG meeting to the SIG page in the
TEI wiki soon so that you can check what happened in Rome.

Btw:

> Also, if we're eating our own dogfood, I have logs from the #tei-c IRC
> channel we can use for examples if anyone is keen

If we can use these logs as a resource that may be redistributed for
scientific purposes (e.g., for annotation and further discussion within
the community), we would be interested in these data. At the moment, the
SIG members have corpus data from French, Italian, German and Dutch CMC --
English chats could be a welcome addition to this set. :-)

Looking forward to further exchange and best from Rome,
Michael

> * There are references to "?Grammatik der deutschen Sprache? (Zifonun,

> Hoffmann & Strecker 1997)" Is this online? Having a clickable link greatly
> increases the chances that people will check with the original source.
>
> * In my experience, examples are hugely important for communicating TEI.
>
> Also, if we're eating our own dogfood, I have logs from the #tei-c IRC
> channel we can use for examples if anyone is keen
>
> cheers
> stuart
>

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