Hi there! Great to see the group come alive!!
On the topic of "Too much info colected about us"... I have found a way to deal with it... I have one "official" profile that I use as scholl year book entry, so old friends and relatives may find me. Therw I keep contact information updated and some basic information to let then know it's me.
No likes or postings on this profile.
And I keep several othera for my interrests. None of them with information about me.
I beleieve that if you keep your information secluded from your activities, you can use social netwooks safely.
I never uae twitter for anything personal and never broadcast anything about my personal life.
I have a friend who was kidnapped because he placed a lot of informtion about his travels on his facebook and loved to tweet about where he was at the time making real easy to find him!
Facebook is a great tool and should be used but with caution. MHO
Sure, netflix probably tracks my watching history, but I like netflix and the service, so why not.
That, of course, takes actual effort and thought, unlike easy answers. There's no issue — apparently not in Cheri's and Chris' minds — that a Facebook group has some utility. Don't like it? Don't use it, by all means. Want one on Google+? Start one, by all means.
It's a big Internet. There's something for everyone.
If you're willing to avoid Facebook because of potential privacy difficulties, it's tough to imagine what you're doing pimping Google as an alternative.
I *don't* pimp Google as an alternative. The only thing I've really
seen as an alternative is Diaspora. Unfortunately work has been
difficult enough on that, that one of the lead developers committed
I don't like Facebook, I don't want FB to know what other websites I'm visiting, I don't want FB to sell my browsing info to other companies that I don't even know about, so I'm not OK with it.It's not a "live life offline" thing, it's a "be aware of where you are being tracked and what is happening with your data" thing.
As I've said, I don't have the confidence in my ethical calculus abilities that you seem to, Sean. I'd only note that EU privacy authorities seem to be _quite_ unhappy about the entire thing, and not apparently without reason.
Well, "reason" is a concept that is rarely applied to any privacy discussion on a political level. That seems to be true for most western countries including some in the EU (the EU is not a national entity yet). Most of the time, politicians are more than happy to trade privacy for security (read: control) and companies such as Facebook and Google are usually willing to play along due to the commercial value of our personal information. Add to this the fact that politicians are more often than not representing lobbied interests as opposed to their citizenry, and you get an environment that isn't conductive to protecting citizen's rights. This is true for the US as much as for some countries in the EU.
What the discussion of Facebook versus google boils down to is an issue of trust. And I do agree with Sean on the fact that Facebook has been actively abusing the trust of their users for a long time, while Google at least tries to safeguard this trust to some extent. Also, while Google happily coexists with all the other web services we use, Facebook is actively trying to make us use them as a gateway for all sorts of things. Take Spotify, for example, one of many services that now require you to have a Facebook account to use it. I personally resent the fact that pretty soon we won't be able to do much on the web without Zuckerberg's say so. That is a model that is inherently against the way the internet should work, and ultimately bound to fail (see AOL).
David "Navalha" Costa
Sean Bonner <se...@seanbonner.com> schreef:
Your sneering at EU privacy concerns, in the context of your complaints about Facebook, seems hugely inconsistent.
You hate that Facebook sells you to advertisers. You're apparently fine with Google selling you to the same advertisers.