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Cherie @Technomadia

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May 20, 2012, 5:31:39 PM5/20/12
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We just started a new Technomads group on Facebook to further facilitate talks about the intersection of technology and travel. 

We invite you to join us there!


 - Cherie / www.technomadia.com

Jef Allbright

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May 20, 2012, 5:48:13 PM5/20/12
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Let me know if you start one on G+ and I'll see you there.

- Jef

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Sean Bonner

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May 20, 2012, 8:20:18 PM5/20/12
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I'm no longer on Facebook, here's why. There's no groups on G+, but I'm happy to start a circle for technomads on G+ and would love to have more of this groups interaction there.

Post a comment on this entry and I'll add you

Also, if you'd like to be involved in any hangouts on air, let me know and I'll schedule some!
-s



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Dino Corvino

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May 20, 2012, 8:24:28 PM5/20/12
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I too support G+ far more than facebook.
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Brandon Van Every

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May 20, 2012, 8:57:12 PM5/20/12
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On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Sean Bonner <se...@seanbonner.com> wrote:
> I'm no longer on Facebook, here's why.

I never joined Facebook to begin with, for similar reasons. When you
show up for jury duty, lawyers will look at your Facebook page and
everyone you know, in order to find reasons why you shouldn't serve on
the jury. Now if you want to get out of jury duty you may consider
that a good thing, but I have no problem getting ejected just for
being able to think, and I see this practice as compromising our
judicial system. Similarly, doctors and psychologists will use
Facebook information to find reasons not to treat you. People should
be aware that employers sift Facebook information to render you
ineligible, but it seems people are oblivious to the consequences of
leading far too public a life. It's not like I hide on the internet,
anyone could find buckets of dirt about me if they did a little work.
But the problem with Facebook is it's created a *one stop shop* for
finding all that dirt. Way too much abusable power in the hands of
one company.

I have joined Facebook using a bogus identity in order to access the
Technomads page. This is also my policy with Massively Multiplayer
Online Games and other internet services that want far more
information about me than they should be having. Restaurants used to
give cooking oil away to homebrew biofuel makers, until they realized
they were actually giving away money. The same is true of all these
social media business models but people are sheep, so I expect the
profits to continue to roll in. I won't help them.

The only valid use of Facebook as far as I'm concerned is to pimp your
business. In that case you don't want privacy, and you will spend
time controlling your business identity, so it's a perfect advertizing
vehicle. Get people to "Like" your business. Like Walmart, YEAH!
Totally rockin' Walmart, they need a lot of help with their
advertizing footprint so like like like! The system is absurd, the
meaning of the words "friend" and "like" have been reduced to utter
drivel.

> There's no groups on G+, but I'm
> happy to start a circle for technomads on G+ and would love to have more of
> this groups interaction there.

G+ has yet to articulate a reason why I should want to participate.
Wanting to be like Facebook and a competitor to Facebook is not a
reason.

BTW I tried to post to this mailing list a year ago and my long winded
post disappeared into the void. I don't know whether something
technical happened or the moderators just weren't approving anything
at the time. If this makes it through, then I guess we know we have a
live channel of discussion. I must say I was a little surprised to
get the original email, I thought technomads must just be collecting
dust.


Cheers,
Brandon Van Every

Sean Bonner

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May 20, 2012, 9:08:47 PM5/20/12
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On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Brandon Van Every <bvan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There's no groups on G+, but I'm
> happy to start a circle for technomads on G+ and would love to have more of
> this groups interaction there.

G+ has yet to articulate a reason why I should want to participate.
Wanting to be like Facebook and a competitor to Facebook is not a
reason.


I don't think G+ is trying to be like Facebook at all. In fact, at almost every turn they've gone the opposite way. It's not a "social network" like Facebook where relationships are reciprocal, it's one way, like twitter - pay attention to what you are interested in only. And the privacy controls are much better, you actually know who you are sharing things with and can keep everything from the public easily which isn't Facebook at all.
-s


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Jesse Bikman

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May 20, 2012, 9:12:15 PM5/20/12
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What was wrong with using email?

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David A. Desrosiers

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May 20, 2012, 10:49:36 PM5/20/12
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I'm with you on this.. email should always be the first, foremost and consistent communication means, with Google+, Facebook and others (as needed or requested) following, specifically -because- it embodies the spirit of technomadism.

I shouldn't be required to load a full web browser to interact or send/receive communications to others. SMTP works fine, works with everything, is easily secured, parseable by every language, time-shifted and can be sent or retrieved from anywhere.

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Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 21:12:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [technomads] Technomads Group on Facebook

Jef Allbright

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May 20, 2012, 10:54:56 PM5/20/12
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On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:49 PM, David A. Desrosiers
<david.a.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm with you on this.. email should always be the first, foremost and
> consistent communication means, with Google+, Facebook and others (as needed
> or requested) following, specifically -because- it embodies the spirit of
> technomadism.
>
> I shouldn't be required to load a full web browser to interact or
> send/receive communications to others. SMTP works fine, works with
> everything, is easily secured, parseable by every language, time-shifted and
> can be sent or retrieved from anywhere.

I would +1 this comment, but I can't.

- Jef

Sean Bonner

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May 21, 2012, 12:04:49 AM5/21/12
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I don't think anyone is proposing a replacement for email, this is simply another place people can interact.

And since this list has been so quiet for the last year or so, another place might help spawn some new activity.
-s


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Paul Oppenheim

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May 21, 2012, 3:23:27 AM5/21/12
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List traffic died because it stopped being a discussion.

This isn't either.

On 2012-05-20 21:04, Sean Bonner wrote:
> I don't think anyone is proposing a replacement for email, this is
> simply another place people can interact.
>
> And since this list has been so quiet for the last year or so, another
> place might help spawn some new activity.
> -s
>
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:49 PM, David A. Desrosiers
> <david.a.d...@gmail.com <mailto:david.a.d...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm with you on this.. email should always be the first, foremost
> and consistent communication means, with Google+, Facebook and
> others (as needed or requested) following, specifically -because- it
> embodies the spirit of technomadism.
>
> I shouldn't be required to load a full web browser to interact or
> send/receive communications to others. SMTP works fine, works with
> everything, is easily secured, parseable by every language,
> time-shifted and can be sent or retrieved from anywhere.
>
> Cake first, frosting last.
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> What was wrong with using email?
>
> Sent from my iPod
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> On May 20, 2012, at 5:31 PM, "Cherie @Technomadia"
> <che...@technomadia.com <mailto:che...@technomadia.com>> wrote:
>
>> We just started a new Technomads group on Facebook to further
>> facilitate talks about the intersection of technology and travel.
>>
>> We invite you to join us there!
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/388208284553674/
>>
>> - Cherie / www.technomadia.com <http://www.technomadia.com>
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>> http://twitter.com/thetechnomads
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David "Navalha" Costa

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May 21, 2012, 3:58:00 PM5/21/12
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I'm all for a g+ circle (just getting started there), but I do agree with that email would probably be the most accessible format (also the least bandwidth, for those on the move with expensive data plans).

G+ and email don't need to be mutually exclusive though. Perhaps there is a way to send g+ updates to email and post messages to the mailing list on g+ automatically?

David "Navalha" Costa

Sean Bonner

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May 21, 2012, 4:04:54 PM5/21/12
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Again, no one is proposing a replacement. 

But if you use Gmail, G+ is already seamlessly integrated.
-s
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jonvon

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May 21, 2012, 7:23:04 PM5/21/12
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btw sean fwiw i also deactivated (didn't realize there was a delete option) my account a while ago for the same reasons. nice post re same.
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Brandon Van Every

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May 21, 2012, 8:28:18 PM5/21/12
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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Paul Oppenheim <pa...@pauloppenheim.com> wrote:
> List traffic died because it stopped being a discussion.
>
> This isn't either.

Umm my perspective on whatever was "wrong" with any previous
incarnation of this list or community, is that nobody was talking
about anything. And so, finding information on whatever the heck the
the label "technomad" was supposed to mean, was rather difficult. I'd
find stuff posted circa 2010 on various websites IIRC, then just
nothing, a dearth. It seems to me that regardless of whether one
personally considers something a "discussion" or not, it's important
for someone to actually be running their mouth about the concept of a
"technomad," regardless of whether other people agree with the label
or the practices or not. I mean, a "great" label that nobody talks
about out after an initial flash of interest just disappears into the
dog pile of internet search-dom. Making it rather difficult for
people like myself to find things and connect with like-minded people
if we arrive post-hoc, after the initial surge of interest.

In fact I had given up on any "tech" aspect of my nomadism, and was
about to embark upon a project of finding other kinds of nomadic or
intentional communities (for instance, the Rainbows), when lo and
behold this list actually sprang to life. Whatever the reason, I see
it as positive, even if it includes Facebook.


Cheers,
Brandon Van Every

Cherie @Technomadia

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May 22, 2012, 9:21:57 AM5/22/12
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Just to be clear - 

I did not start the FB Technomads group to replace anything... but rather to add another option to many out there.   Regardless of the evil empire that Facebook is, it's where we've found the most community growth in our own lives. It's where we have the most following, so thus the place I'm at most often to interact.  Given that 100+ signed up for the group in the first day, I suspect it was a need to be filled. 

I personally haven't found momentum in G+, and I'm lacking the time & energy to create it for myself. Simple as that. Good to see a circle there, I'll join it and pop in every so often. 

 - Cherie 

PS. Brandon - The word 'technomad' was coined in the mid-80s by Steven Roberts, and simply originally intended to mean something along the lines of 'technology enabled nomad'.  We've talked extensively about it since we hit the road in 2006 on our blog (www.technomadia.com).. and Steve does as well on his sites (www.microship.com and www.nomadness.com).  He's on the FB group and sharing his story there as well. 

Jonathon Townley

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May 22, 2012, 10:35:24 AM5/22/12
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And all this time I've been wondering why no one on this list has been talking about the Roland TR-808.

We should start a thread for Ultraportable dj equipment and call it techno mad technomads.

Just to inject a little joie de vivre back into the list, let's have an update from everyone. Kind of like a checkin!

I'll go first:

I'm now teaching, writing and editing, but really haven't managed to get a mobile business off the ground enough to travel extensively, though the potential is definitely there.

I'm launching many projects in the next few months, each in a very narrow focus that I'm passionate about, each with income potential, each with a tiny investment of time and money (or no money in most cases).

This way I'm using my curiosity and fickle nature to my advantage, not against me.

Worst case scenario: I'm exactly here in 1 year. Which is not an awful place.

Signing off from Harlem

Jonathon Townley
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