STAB Constitution 2010-11

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[Ranjeet Singh Banthiya]

are thirdies here supposed to be current sophie batch ??

[Ruchir Gupta]

@Ranjeet: Yes

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Ruchir Gupta
Junior Undergraduate
Department of Electrical Engineering
IIT Bombay

[Ramanath Pai]

Very badly written, even for a first draft. It should be something that people understand. As far as I take it, hardly anyone who was not in the meeting will understand this. Let alone sophies and the current teams.

Also some pains:

1) Once you call a post a GS, it means the whole insti votes. Tech nom hi rakho.

2) Have an insti body for GCs, try not to mimic cult. You are missing many MANY important differences.

3) What do you mean by election: xyz: 5%. What does this percentage mean? Is it weightage? How have these numbers been come to? Can all managers vote for any other club manager? Why do you want an election for the manager anyway? Why to do want to politicise it? Why not an interview? I understand interviews might get wrong people as club conveners right now, but I think this has happened only this year.

4) The number of managers in the brackets adds up to 8. How do you say "Maximum of 12 Club Managers"?

5) Do you really need 1 manager + 3 conveners for something like aeromodelling or 1 + 4 for MNP (I think the WNP is MNP) 

6) I think if you are really going to bring about a change in the constitution, bring in sophies to the meeting. Don't make it compulsory, but take all inputs. Next time you decide on a meeting, give atleast 3 days of notice. It is highly difficult to change schedules if you put details of a meeting on the same afternoon.

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Ramanath Pai,
Senior Undergraduate,
Department of Mechanical Engineering,
IIT Bombay.

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[Sneh Vaswani]

 
A big discussion on the same topic was done last year also.  Viewing this version, many of the important points discussed then, have not been taken into consideration!

Seriously, someone please post a better draft on the proposed constitution.  A discussion can be  done only if the proposed constitution is more clear.

Sneh.

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[rushabh]

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Ramanath Pai <ramana...@iitb.ac.in> wrote:

Very badly written, even for a first draft. It should be something that people understand. As far as I take it, hardly anyone who was not in the meeting will understand this. Let alone sophies and the current teams.

Also some pains:

1) Once you call a post a GS, it means the whole insti votes. Tech nom hi rakho.

naming is a secondary issue...we will try to get approval for GS tech with only the tech body voting to avoid polt, else we will hv to change the name.

2) Have an insti body for GCs, try not to mimic cult. You are missing many MANY important differences.

 elaborate plz

3) What do you mean by election: xyz: 5%. What does this percentage mean? Is it weightage? How have these numbers been come to? Can all managers vote for any other club manager? Why do you want an election for the manager anyway? Why to do want to politicise it? Why not an interview? I understand interviews might get wrong people as club conveners right now, but I think this has happened only this year.

yes it means weighted voting...since this is the first draft the nos are open for debate.

4) The number of managers in the brackets adds up to 8. How do you say "Maximum of 12 Club Managers"?

To have additional buffer for increasing  posts later on so that people don't crib that DOSA se perms nahi milegi etc in future. We may need additional posts for technovation as well.

5) Do you really need 1 manager + 3 conveners for something like aeromodelling or 1 + 4 for MNP (I think the WNP is MNP)

fyi WNP and MNP are different.

[Ruchir Gupta]

MnP - Math and Physics
WnP - Web and Publicity

[Aditya Mehta]

It does not seem that anyone wants to take the responsibility of fixing the venue/time. I cannot attend a meeting at a short notice of less than 12 hrs as I have other work to do.

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[Nikhil Tiwale]

Putting this up quite late but few points i think worth considering...

Why is it in most cases that TECH in insti should profoundly include Elec n robotics??? may be include coding n aero....bt Why are we always missing on Hobby project n workshops (which cannot be considered as research activities) from chem, meta, mech dept???
Let me elaborate more on this
1. with eg from meta dept, last year in Padarth 2010, we organised few workshops like Batman reveals- discussion and few demo to correlate materials that govern equipments from Batman movies, Magic with Materials - few eye-lightening experiments(definitely interesting for freshies), and these workshops saw very good response as well. As of for the projects, few of current Sophie's from dept have been working on few demo/hobby kind of projects eg Hard sphere Simulator, Bubble draft model, Silly putti, aerogel we had them displayed in Tech connect this year as well. Why not such things come under the domain of TECH in insti??
2. speakiing of Mech dept, Racing team does needs people with good fundae on Vehicle dynamics...why or rather who from the stab should cater to this as well??? Also workshops related Ansys, Solidworks etc...
3.science club old stokcs had seen things like beakers n all, may be few chem related activities were part of activities..why are they lost???
4.If u go n try to collaborate with dept fellows, i'm sure they'll be more than happy to work along.. In my dept Materials Club has been formed this years for the whole purpose of such activities.. but being under department its domain is restricted...why shouldnt STAB have some post holders to address such collaboration???

If the reason behind not entertaining such issues is people not from that dept would not be interested is very lame and STAB should question itself, are we the people who will cater to popular demands only or we should be pioneers to show insti new domains???? And probably one of the reason why Tech scene in the insti is not so strong is because its domains are restricted...only people in specific areas are being part of it!!

Regarding Structuring STAB:

1. 10 conveners for elec club........way too much...even  3 conveners for each club is probably not required
2. 1 manager and 2 conveners per club is sufficient...by increasing number of posts, u r not increasing amount of work done by them but cutting down on the responsibilities per post holders
3. on contrary u should use available posts designated to some work such as Manager for Technovation may be....or 1 manager n 2 conveners who'll atleast start up on collaborating with depts like meta, chem....introducing separate mech related club in not bad idea as well(i mean there are various fundae from mech like vehicle dynamics, which eventually needed in competitions such as Racing and why shouldn't we motivate non-mech person to work on car)
4. number of conveners for elec team can be decrease...may be 6 should be more than enough...in my view, convener is someone who facilitates knowledge transfer and need not be the person taking workshops if u are thinking in that way....
5.If u plan separate team for organizing GCs, as per ramu said....then what exactly is robotics club  conveners' work???plz clarify...

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Nikhil Tiwale,
4th year Undergraduate,
Dual Degree(BTech with Honours-MTech),
Metallurgical Engineering & Materials Science Department,
IIT Bombay

[Ranjeet Singh Banthiya]

i agree to each and every  point of nikhil, this makes some sense.

[Ashish Goel]

To me a separate Robotics club and GC organizing team sort of makes sense. It basically does concrete work allocation beforehand. Robotics club can focus on doing cool robotics projects (similar to the elec club projects) just for fun and not necessarily for GCs etc.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Nikhil Tiwale <tnik...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Nishant Kumar]

Hello ppl,

I want to second Ashish's opinion on having a separate Robotics club. I had recently visited the campus and I saw for myself a sufficiently large number of people involved in Robotics activities. There are many people who stay on the thin-line between robotics and non-robotics stuff in the insti tech scenario, and eventually end up doing nothing. I say so based on my personal interaction with some juniors. Also, the number and quality of robotics related competitions are increasing alarmingly. Hence, a dedicated club in my opinion would be beneficial, both for the students and the organizing bodies (Technic).

Nishant

Dual Mech, 2010 Batch

[rushabh]

Hi,

Meeting details-

Time: 8.30pm

Venue: GG102

Everyone is invited to contribute towards the new structure.

Regards,

Rushabh Shah
Manager, Electronics Club
IIT Bombay

[Nikhil Tiwale]

@Nikhil :

1) The idea of conveners is that they are variable( from year to year ) "Non Insti Post " so the need for it can be decided by the then team , as and when the group grows. The reason for making thirdies managers and sophie conveners is to get clubs to grow.

 
Agreed on this pt entirely that managers should be thirdie... jst make sure work force of sophies is utilised properly...n not over estimated or biased for certain parts...think of tech as a whole and considered all that can come under it...

 

2) there will be no separate body to conduct the GC's the managers and the fourthie tech post together will formulate the statements and each gc will be responsibility of one club

Agree on this point
 

3)For the mech and elec requirements of robocon and baja (as well as administrative workload reduction for them) we will have the current robocon team heads and baja team heads as part of the body (subject to their approval). They will get help in sense of a place to voice their opinions and more connectedness with other clubs. Also they will be able to help the other clubs in mentoring workshops etc when they are not busy with their activities (as suggested by amod they could possibly help in summer projects etc since robocon people are usually free then).

 
I think for Robocon n Racing people, make their team heads as part of body..agreed..they can mentor, take workshops etc....sure...collaboration from STAB can be done in administrative aspects of these workshops....say,if some elec work is needed for for Racing, float it as summer project and help them as well...if some fundamental workshops are needed for Racing/ Robocon organize them and let them come and take the workshop...

BUT about the administration of their own part, like funds, budget and decisions regarding what to use in their CAR/ROBOT for competition..keep them independent....they wont like...n not good for these competitions as well if monetary or implementation restrcitions come on them from DOSA because of them being under STAB...

Instead. keep the team heads of Racing and Robocon INFORMAL MEMBERS of STAB....ie no such designated posts under STAB.... BUT they have word in the meetings and all the imp decisions made by STAB...and have right to ask for arranging workshops, or right to float project they want to be done...KEEP THEIR FUNDS AND STAB FUNDS SEPERATE...

As per my discussion with Rushabh, Robotics club seems to be actually MECH CLUB...which will take care of mech related workshops n all say vehicle dynamics, solidworks etc...and when it comes to Robotics projects or providing assistance  for Techfest, Shastra etc Elec club n this Robotics/Mech club will cordially arrange things.....IF THIS IS THE CASE THEN OK...
 

4)The post for technovation is on the hold as of now . We are still waiting to see the outcome of the technovation this year and then decide accordingly about the requirements of it 

5) Formation of new clubs can take place when a proper system is established . Since one of the major problems we face when getting things passed from the DOSA is that there are multiple technical bodies in the Institute he does not who is legit who is not. This causes a lot of trouble and unnecessary cut of budget ( 6 lakh budget of robocon cut to 1 lakh per team due to splitting of the team). So once a uniform body is formed we can ask the dosa to form new clubs if required.

i kno abt budget cutting of Robocon..its sad....but thts not my point

U need not start some thing like Materials Club under STAB....it is there under department...what i feel STAB should do is that 2-3 persons(may be 1 manager and 2 conveners atleast) should be responsible to coordinate with departmental bodies of chem, meta, civil...encourage them for having more n more events and make their events insti wide events so that non departmental people can be part of it as well....also encourage them for hobby projects....funds for these events and projects wud come from department...take example of Aero .... many aeromodelling projects are funded by dept...STAB should play a role of facilitator for them....put this infront of insti that it is also part of TECH equally as elec n coding....and in case of projects like Racing (meta can play role in manufacturing n selection of materials, chem can play part in fuel efficiency n catalytic converte for Go green) STAB should be bridge between such projects and departments.

May be just like Racing n Robocon team head, make departmental club head as informal member of STAB (informal=non-insti post, no certi) or designate 1-2 manager under STAB who'll look after these issues....


AND Over all about deciding structure of STAB, and writing the constitution in words, make sure to mention minimum responsibilities of each club explicitly and also mention responsibilities where certain clubs MUST work along with other club ( in case of robotics- elec n mech club) shud work together.

Any other queries will be answered in the meeting tonight. Apart from this the constitution that we had partially thought , i am sharing here ( please realize this is only a doc to show the posts and the splitting of work duty and idea of the election. it is not totally accurate)

https://docs1.google.com/document/d/1gaOLYOEcg0WzJOI1wBl83LfsJHXBQZeos9ylDUnyW7Q/edit?hl=en

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Ramanath Pai <ramanat...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please bring enough copies of the proposed STAB. All sophies, please attend this. Fourthies will pass out this year, and you will be the ones running the new constitution. IT IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE THAT SOPHIES ATTEND THIS MEETING.

I am adding a few people to this list. 

@sneh, get all relevant robocon junta

@vora, kunte: get all relevant baja junta.