Edu [Punk]

[alexanderhayes]

Yes it's everywhere but it's intriguing me and I'm wondering if it is
you.

The DYI.

The practitioner and not the glam-spammer.

Lots of good notes and links here - http://www.blogher.com/introducing-edupunk#readmore

Do you identify as an edupunk ? Who do you consider embodies the
spirit and why ?

What makes them different to the everyday run of the edu-grist ?

Name some names.

[grahamwegner]

This is definitely an edu-punk hangout.

Which explains why I don't post more often.

Maybe I'm an edu-punk wannabe...

Graham
http://gwegner.edublogs.org/


On Jun 14, 9:36 pm, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes it's everywhere but it's intriguing me and I'm wondering if it is
> you.
>
> The DYI.
>
> The practitioner and not the glam-spammer.
>

> Lots of good notes and links here -http://www.blogher.com/introducing-edupunk#readmore

[Janet Hawtin]

im trying not to choose a side
http://eduspaces.net/janeth/weblog/

im trying to think of something simple which might be a tool for
playing with win win.
work in progress

j

[Nancy White]

Is edupunk an attitude? A set of values? or a group of people (edupunks - noun) Is it a flag to garner attention to an emerging set of issues? Is it a rebellion?

Since I am neither strictly "edu" nor "punk" I can only wonder and ponder.

Waving from the road

N

[Derek Chirnside]

I was undecided about this.
I found http://ken-carroll.com/2008/06/01/edupunks-need-to-grow-up/

He refers to Edupunk as a meme - which puts things in a persoective for me.
I have no idea how connected Carroll is.

2008/6/16 Nancy White <nancy...@gmail.com>:

Is edupunk an attitude? A set of values? or a group of people (edupunks - noun) Is it a flag to garner attention to an emerging set of issues? Is it a rebellion?

Reading Ken - I'd say probably some truth in all of these.
It's certainly a reaction against something.

In ignorance about this largely . . .

-Derek

 

Since I am neither strictly "edu" nor "punk" I can only wonder and ponder.

Waving from the road

N

--
From Derek Chirnside.

[Brent]

yea ... Edupunk is Dead! all the cool kids are now into Edu-alt-country.

brent.

aka. Countrymike.

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[Derek Chirnside]

Brent, Hi.

I'll bite.
Need more info.
Google let me down here.

Edu.alt??   Alt.edu? 

2008/6/16 Brent <pumic...@gmail.com>:

[Brent]

cool. if google lets you down it's time to start a meme!

eventually all the Edupunks will grow old and tired of the genre and turn to their dads Web2.0 screen-grabs for inspiration; their kids will start re-using the mouse and digging through old hard-drives being sold at the local market for mp3s to digitally scramble with the latest open source music/remix algorithms  ... perhaps Edulo-fi will emerge, Edu-retro-trance (the use of chemicals and music in learning environments).

I've been a lone Edu-alt-country while most of these punks were still figuring out their RSS readers! ;-)

alt-country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-country

"Alternative country" can refer to several ideas. Most generally, any musician who plays a type of country music different from the prevailing trend can be said to play "alternative country". By this standard, for example, the Bakersfield sound was alternative in the 1950s, and the Lubbock, Texas musicians were alternative in the 1960s.

In the 1990s, however, "alternative country" came to refer to a diverse group of musicians and singers operating outside the traditions and industry of mainstream country music. In general, these musicians eschewed the high production values and pop outlook of the Nashville-dominated industry, to produce music with a lo-fi sound, frequently infused with a strong punk and rock & roll aesthetic, bending the traditional rules of country music. Lyrics are often bleak, gothic or socially aware. In other respects, the musical styles of artists that fall within this genre often have little in common, ranging from traditional American folk tunes and bluegrass, through rockabilly and honky-tonk, to music that is indistinguishable from mainstream rock or country. Indeed, many alternative country artists come from punk and rock backgrounds. This already broad labelling has been further confused by alternative country artists disavowing the movement, mainstream artists declaring they are part of it, and retroactive claims that past or veteran musicians are alternative country. No Depression, the most well-known magazine dedicated to the genre, declared that it covers "alternative-country music (whatever that is)".

[Derek Chirnside]

:-)
Thanks.
Doesn't help, but was fun to read.
-D

2008/6/16 Brent <pumic...@gmail.com>:

[craig bottomley]

time magazine dated 16/06/08 has an article by josh quittner titled who will rule the internet?  he opens with a quote from an admittedly unknown source which to me begins to establish the groundings of edupunk:

take what man makes and use it
but do not worship it
for it shall pass

botts

2008/6/15 grahamwegner <wegner...@gmail.com>:

[alexanderhayes]

Still gets me this 'win win' notion which as I remember it started
permeating P&C meetings in the late eightees.

Win win.
Win Lose.
Lose Lose.

Notions of competition. How can you not be taking a side if your only
after kicking goals for the right team ?

On Jun 15, 6:47 pm, "Janet Hawtin" <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> im trying not to choose a sidehttp://eduspaces.net/janeth/weblog/

[alexanderhayes]

Hi Nancy,

I've given it 48 hours (also on the road ) and I'm still trying to
work out what grabs me about the term. Maybe it's something about the
DIY attitude that teachers who are creative and yet in someways
'different' employ to garnish real thinkers amongst mobs.

The Jim Groom image of 'edupunk' seems self effacing - typical geek
web 2.0 parody but yet I think it resonates far deeper.

Nor do I think it's about emerging issues rather ones stated
explicitley yet cleverly skirted around with monikers like 'critical
literacy'. Nicely critical.....smooth, charming and palatable
critical.

Punk.

It's got a ring to it.....and a circle of learning still yet to be
explored.

[alexanderhayes]

Meme ?

Oh yes.....lets swing it round like a dead term sort of thing ?

Hmmm.

Methinks it's markedly deeper.

Eduskinhead dosent quite work does it ?

On Jun 16, 7:27 am, "Derek Chirnside" <derek.chirns...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was undecided about this.

> I foundhttp://ken-carroll.com/2008/06/01/edupunks-need-to-grow-up/

>
> He refers to Edupunk as a meme - which puts things in a persoective for me.
> I have no idea how connected Carroll is.
>

> 2008/6/16 Nancy White <nancy.wh...@gmail.com>:

[alexanderhayes]

Aka. Countrymike

Punk on the airwaves twangin'.

I think we need to compress some more folk into some larger circular
discussions like this one - http://alexanderhayes.blip.tv/#172750

Pedagogy of The Compressed.

On Jun 16, 9:41 am, Brent <pumiceh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yea ... Edupunk is Dead! all the cool kids are now into Edu-alt-country.
>
> brent.
>
> aka. Countrymike.
>

> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Derek Chirnside <derek.chirns...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I was undecided about this.

> > I foundhttp://ken-carroll.com/2008/06/01/edupunks-need-to-grow-up/

>
> > He refers to Edupunk as a meme - which puts things in a persoective for me.
> > I have no idea how connected Carroll is.
>

> > 2008/6/16 Nancy White <nancy.wh...@gmail.com>:

[craig bottomley]

edupunk as in cyberpunk?  i see bruce sterling's name popping up about the place again??? 

2008/6/16 alexanderhayes <alexander...@gmail.com>:

[alexanderhayes]

Reminds me of a Budhist saying;

"....this too will come to pass. "

In good and bad. I like the idea of retro-mash teachers piling PC's
into piles for students to pull apart and forensically edu-alt the
contents for academic purpose.Is that edupunk ?....or should we be
burning them ?

Spin the net.

On Jun 16, 3:19 pm, "craig bottomley" <bottspl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> time magazine dated 16/06/08 has an article by josh quittner titled who will
> rule the internet? he opens with a quote from an admittedly unknown source
> which to me begins to establish the groundings of edupunk:
>
> take what man makes and use it
> but do not worship it
> for it shall pass
>
> botts
>

> 2008/6/15 grahamwegner <wegner.gra...@gmail.com>:

[Janet Hawtin]

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:13 PM, alexanderhayes
<alexander...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Notions of competition. How can you not be taking a side if your only
> after kicking goals for the right team ?

by having a different goal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_and_Infinite_Games

[alexanderhayes]

"....The maverick or rescuer is a role which is particularly powerful
in Australian culture, honoring the underdog is an explicit part of
our psyche."

So is chopping the heads off tall poppies.

Sponsoring criminals and celebrating their successes.

Harbouring the worst forms of genocide and taking umpteen generations
to apologise....whilst it still continues.

Useful is valued.

Winning is born of competition.

Yin | Yang

Edupunk must be something to do with letting go a bit.

Drinking the fourth beer.

On Jun 16, 9:09 pm, "Janet Hawtin" <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 8:13 PM, alexanderhayes
>

[craig bottomley]

hey rose - re your comment on the brainwashing thread...

the punk attitude tends to be one which questions the status quo... unfortunately, despite educational beginnings in DIY, the status quo is now about how many trees we can destroy through the writing of useless reports etc... the staus quo, educationally, is institutionalised learned helplessness with large dollops of paying the ferryman to deliver corporatised, propiertary tools to use to perpetuate the institutional mindset.

personaly i like the edupunk name, but in reality it is just another tag that helps us identify a way of thinking that wants to pervert the course of history and create a more egalitarian and open world that allows people the freedom to think for themselves, to recognise the importance of learning and to go about that learning in a meaningful and potentially globally connected way.

amen

2008/6/15 grahamwegner <wegner...@gmail.com>:

[Janet Hawtin]

From the Finnish education link
http://www.openeducation.net/2008/03/10/several-lessons-to-be-learned-from-the-finnish-school-system/
In all three Scandinavian countries students begin formal schooling
only at age seven, two years after most American children begin
school. However, prior to entering school, all children have
participated in a high-quality government funded preschool program. As
opposed to a focus on getting a jump academically, these
early-childhood programs focus on self-reflection and social behavior.
It is interesting to note that one of the most notable attributes of
Finnish children is their level of personal responsibility. The early
focus on self-reflection is seen as a key component for developing
that level of responsibility towards learning.

to http://www.casel.org/news.php#seeds
to

Dalai Lama, Science and Compassion at washington.edu
http://www.seedsofcompassion.net/webcast/noscript.html

[alexanderhayes]

Which means 'so be it ' I discovered in Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen

On Jun 16, 9:45 pm, "craig bottomley" <bottspl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hey rose - re your comment on the brainwashing thread...
>
> the punk attitude tends to be one which questions the status quo...
> unfortunately, despite educational beginnings in DIY, the status quo is now
> about how many trees we can destroy through the writing of useless reports
> etc... the staus quo, educationally, is institutionalised learned
> helplessness with large dollops of paying the ferryman to deliver
> corporatised, propiertary tools to use to perpetuate the institutional
> mindset.
>
> personaly i like the edupunk name, but in reality it is just another tag
> that helps us identify a way of thinking that wants to pervert the course of
> history and create a more egalitarian and open world that allows people the
> freedom to think for themselves, to recognise the importance of learning and
> to go about that learning in a meaningful and potentially globally connected
> way.
>
> amen
>

> 2008/6/15 grahamwegner <wegner.gra...@gmail.com>:

[craig bottomley]

ooops - that's my religious upbringing coming out to play

2008/6/16 alexanderhayes <alexander...@gmail.com>:

[alexanderhayes]

...and Rudolph Steiner believed that 'formal' reading should commence
only upon physical propensities such as teeth falling out.

Guess which nationality breeds fodder-for-factories rhetoric leading
to notions of 'we are the greatest' ?

On Jun 16, 10:01 pm, "Janet Hawtin" <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From the Finnish education linkhttp://www.openeducation.net/2008/03/10/several-lessons-to-be-learned...

> In all three Scandinavian countries students begin formal schooling
> only at age seven, two years after most American children begin
> school. However, prior to entering school, all children have
> participated in a high-quality government funded preschool program. As
> opposed to a focus on getting a jump academically, these
> early-childhood programs focus on self-reflection and social behavior.
> It is interesting to note that one of the most notable attributes of
> Finnish children is their level of personal responsibility. The early
> focus on self-reflection is seen as a key component for developing
> that level of responsibility towards learning.
>

> tohttp://www.casel.org/news.php#seeds

[alexanderhayes]

Your excused Botts.

Every good punk needs something to work away from. Did you sing in a
choir ?

On Jun 16, 10:10 pm, "craig bottomley" <bottspl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ooops - that's my religious upbringing coming out to play
>

> 2008/6/16 alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>:

[Chris Harvey]

It reminds me of Davros from Doctor Who.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davros

[alexanderhayes]

That cybernetic eye does my head in.

How could we ever have created such ugly characters for reproductions
in plastic to be buried deep inside the corn chip packets of kids
seeking solace in the escape of Sci-Fi.

Is edupunk inclusive of escapisms ?

On Jun 16, 10:27 pm, "Chris Harvey" <gnuch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It reminds me of Davros from Doctor Who.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davros

>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:20 PM, alexanderhayes <
>

[Janet Hawtin]

i dont know if it is the same for other people
but the sound recording is pretty wonky oh well.
j

[alexanderhayes]

It's a little wobbly but then so am I after finding this in my inbox -
http://www.web20wealth.com/school/

On Jun 16, 10:32 pm, "Janet Hawtin" <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucych...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > From the Finnish education link

> >http://www.openeducation.net/2008/03/10/several-lessons-to-be-learned...

> > In all three Scandinavian countries students begin formal schooling
> > only at age seven, two years after most American children begin
> > school. However, prior to entering school, all children have
> > participated in a high-quality government funded preschool program. As
> > opposed to a focus on getting a jump academically, these
> > early-childhood programs focus on self-reflection and social behavior.
> > It is interesting to note that one of the most notable attributes of
> > Finnish children is their level of personal responsibility. The early
> > focus on self-reflection is seen as a key component for developing
> > that level of responsibility towards learning.
>

> > tohttp://www.casel.org/news.php#seeds

[Chris Harvey]

http://www.jamendo.com/en/tag/punk?license_minrights_c=on&license_minrights_d=on&location_country=all&order=ratingmonth_desc

[Janet Hawtin]

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Chris Harvey <gnuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.jamendo.com/en/tag/punk?license_minrights_c=on&license_minrights_d=on&location_country=all&order=ratingmonth_desc

it just feels like Faust to me
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109781/

a zittrain loop
but perhaps im out of step
its not unsual

j

[Janet Hawtin]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Janet Hawtin <lucy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Chris Harvey <gnuc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.jamendo.com/en/tag/punk?license_minrights_c=on&license_minrights_d=on&location_country=all&order=ratingmonth_desc
>
> it just feels like Faust to me
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109781/

urm
this movie is pretty feral and dark.
sorry its not the usual kind of thing i post
it would make a good punk outing
for those who are.

>
> a zittrain loop
> but perhaps im out of step
> its not unsual

or unusual

i am some kind of hopeful
http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/english/melani/cs6/hope.html

[Derek Chirnside]

It's not just a similarity in name with cyberpunk

http://project.cyberpunk.ru/idb/definition.html

This is a good comment from Thomas Eicher, about defining cyberpunk: "Gibson said it in a short story somewhere. Cyberpunk is the stuff that has EDGE written all over it. You know, not edge, it's written EDGE. All capital letters. Now ask me how I'd define EDGE. Well, EDGE is not about definitions. To the contrary, things so well known that they provide an exact definition can't be EDGE. They probably once were but now they ain't. SO DON'T TRY TO DEFINE IT!!!" Cyberpunk really is The Undefinable. One cannot give it an exact meaning. Cyberpunk is personal. Anyway, there's some meaning, and yes, really many meanings, for cyberpunk, what it is, and what it should be. Here is the definition used on this site. Read the disclaimer first.

Thomas Eicher is still around (but not at this link)  My take on Edu-punk: Has edge.

Thomas Carroll doesn't like them of course.

Forty year old tenured men in hoodies, talking about revolution is no more than perpetual adolescence and self-indulgence.  By appointing themselves as the Defenders the Oppressed they are pre-empting the right to lecture on the subject. Personally I reserve that right for someone with a grown-up argument and a relatively serious attitude.

Music is a big thing.   ASo is a certain genre of novel. The dilemma, the age old dilemma: liberals at 20 conservatives at 40, how do you cope with success?

Have I lost the edge I once had?  Is my current work turning my brain to mush?





 

2008/6/16 craig bottomley <botts...@gmail.com>:

--
From Derek Chirnside.

[Janet Hawtin]

i guess punk feels like something for 'self'.
it doesnt feel like something for students.
how do the people who like the idea see
something useful for students in the idea?
or is that not the point.

[Kim FLINTOFF]

Hi Janet,

 

I guess to me EDUPUNK is about attitude... 

 

as in aviation.. 

 

how am I positioned...

 

…and one of my great teachers (Dorothy Heathcote) said  "Who you are is what you teach"

 

…so that's what's in it for the students...

 

me in a position to see that their learning opportunities are dynamic, generative, interdisciplinary, transdisciplinary, multidisciplinary, problematic, disruptive, transgressive, risky, edgy, unsettling....

 

...hybridity and postmodernity are distinquishing elements...

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Kim Flintoff B.A., Grad. Dip. Ed., M.Ed.

PhD Candidate

QUT Creative Industries: Performance Studies

Sessional Lecturer/Tutor/University Colleague

ECU School of Education and Arts: Contemporary Performance / Drama Education

University Supervisor

Murdoch University School of Education

Front of House Manager

AEG Ogdens - Perth Concert Hall

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[Chris Harvey]

Hi Kim, do you have a blog or website?

[Kim FLINTOFF]

Yep… http://www.dramanite.com

 

Kim

 

From: teachAndL...@googlegroups.com [mailto:teachAndL...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Harvey
Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 10:53 AM
To: teachAndL...@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: Edu [Punk]

 

Hi Kim, do you have a blog or website?

[minh mcCloy]

I got asked what edupunk was in a cafe in Bangalow in northern NSW yesterday morning - 'edupunk' is definitely being memetic.
I didn't know of course - could just say that I, too , had noted considerable toing & froing over the net about the idea/concept/notion/meme

I had crossreferenced it to cyberpunk - being a huge Gibson fan - & to steampunk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk - being an avid reader of boing boing. Steampunk seems to me to be a concrete representation of, at least, some aspects of an edupunk meme -  retro-futuristic-elegant constructs that exhibit whimsy & utility.

When Molly Meldrum asked David Bowie what was his take on punk, (at  the zenith of punk's glorious novelty), Bowie said, "A very important enema."

If i declare myself to be an edupunk can everyone else who does promise that there wont be a manifesto? :)

Waiting to see what comes out in the mash'
:)
minh

[Kim FLINTOFF]

A manifesto may well emerge – but in the tradition of the greats like Bowie – its completely up to you when you decide to reinvent yourself…

 

I’m quite happy to  recant if the meme becomes something concrete…

 

Change, after all, is the only thing consistent in a definition of learning.

 

If we want certainly then I suggest we take up fundamental religion… I’m happy with the fuzziness, confusion, contradictions and general plurality of the edupunk discussions at the moment….

 

And let’s think about Bowie’s statement once more – a good enema does more to cleanse the soul than any preacher on a pulpit.

 

Cheers

 

Kim Flintoff B.A., Grad. Dip. Ed., M.Ed.
PhD Candidate
QUT Creative Industries: Performance Studies
Sessional Lecturer/Tutor/University Colleague
ECU School of Education and Arts: Contemporary Performance / Drama Education
University Supervisor
Murdoch University School of Education
Front of House Manager
AEG Ogdens - Perth Concert Hall

 

From: teachAndL...@googlegroups.com [mailto:teachAndL...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of minh mcCloy
Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 12:14 PM
To: teachAndL...@googlegroups.com
Subject: :: TALO :: Re: Edu [Punk]

 

I got asked what edupunk was in a cafe in Bangalow in northern NSW yesterday morning - 'edupunk' is definitely being memetic.

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[craig bottomley]

hey janet

i'd have to agree that edupunk is most probably a description of self, but as kim says, the results of my being edupunk will be evident in the experiences my students have whilst in my company.  it will also influence how i teach and perhaps even what i teach but most definitely i see an an effect on my attitude to what i teach.

i will continue to write micro$oft; i will teach copyleft and creative commons when asked about copyright; i will use diigo and flickrcc and jamendo to create mashups for resources; i will continue to refuse to make my students buy textbooks; i will continue to pervert the natural state and will allow my students to access youtube and facebook and myspace... but like minh suggests (and i guess is fervently hoping) this IS NOT to be read as a manifesto or a set of agreed upon rules or ways.  this is my way and as the sex pistols so elegantly sang - i will do it my way and will continue to do it my way until the weight of criticism forces me to look elsewhere....

and lets be honest about the name - punk, in its truest form, was always supposed to be about anarchy and anti establishment, and how can anything that is truly anarchic have anything vaguely resembling manifesto or rules.

botts

2008/6/17 Janet Hawtin <lucy...@gmail.com>:

[Janet Hawtin]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 6:04 PM, craig bottomley <botts...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hey janet
>
> i'd have to agree that edupunk is most probably a description of self, but
> as kim says, the results of my being edupunk will be evident in the
> experiences my students have whilst in my company. it will also influence
> how i teach and perhaps even what i teach but most definitely i see an an
> effect on my attitude to what i teach.

Gmail tells me about this thread that:
Angry, Young and Poor - angryyoungandpoor.com - Punk Rock Records and
Clothing Low $, Huge Inventory, Fast Shipping...

j

[craig bottomley]

and i'm told

Cheap Goth Boots - www.clubwearaustralia.com.au - Free Post Australia Demonia, Punk Goth, Emo, Rockabilly shoes & Boots

how so unpunk.....

2008/6/17 Janet Hawtin <lucy...@gmail.com>:

[Janet Hawtin]

that way footwear lies...

[Bronwyn Hegarty]

depends where you keep your soul I guess. I'd like to think mine keeps well clear of the enema region. :(

On another tack.

Long live punk! The young are still doin it, making music underground and producing their own music labels….it is no longer just a 70s phenomenon… I know cos I bred one and a fine punk he is…he and his band (Ritalin) wrote this which makes the point for me…"you live in a suburban home and you die when you kneel at their throne, shop you drop, you buy, you sell, you close your stagnant mind…." taken from - Not my idea, Ritalin Roguetown, 2007.

Edupunk is surely about opening minds (not with enemas God forbid), helping people to see the other picture as we creep in the shadows.

Bron purveyor of The Clash, Public Image, Gang of Four, The Stranglers, The jam and many more in 70s London - so I'm not completely full of sh**t

--
Bronwyn Hegarty
Educational Developer: Flexible Learning
Educational Development Centre
Otago Polytechnic
Private bag 1910
Dunedin.
email:bron...@tekotago.ac.nz
http://bahtings.blogspot.com
Ph: 03 479 3600 or 0800 762786 ext 8360
cell: 021 735438
Skype: bronwynannh
Second Life avatar: Branwen Trewellion

[Janet Hawtin]

Thanks @dnwallace nice one.
http://lifekludger.net/2008/06/17/clay-shirky-on-why-lifekludger-hasnt-taken-off/

j

[alexanderhayes]

> or is that not the point.

I think the idea is sound provided that we think less of the
distinctions of role and more in the idea that an equiring mind can
even blank out hunger and stall distraction long enough in immersion.

Useful, Zittrain and Value all play a part.

[alexanderhayes]

and...http://edupunk.org/

On Jun 17, 1:42 pm, "Kim FLINTOFF" <kim...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Yep.http://www.dramanite.com

[alexanderhayes]

> Waiting to see what comes out in the mash

Most probably a manifesto of gigantic proportions composed of many
collaborative enemas.

On Jun 17, 2:13 pm, "minh mcCloy" <mizm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I got asked what edupunk was in a cafe in Bangalow in northern NSW yesterday
> morning - 'edupunk' is definitely being memetic.
> I didn't know of course - could just say that I, too , had noted
> considerable toing & froing over the net about the idea/concept/notion/meme
>
> I had crossreferenced it to cyberpunk - being a huge Gibson fan - & to

> steampunkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk- being an avid reader of

> boing boing. Steampunk seems to me to be a concrete representation of, at
> least, some aspects of an edupunk meme - retro-futuristic-elegant
> constructs that exhibit whimsy & utility.
>
> When Molly Meldrum asked David Bowie what was his take on punk, (at the
> zenith of punk's glorious novelty), Bowie said, "A very important enema."
>
> If i declare myself to be an edupunk can everyone else who does promise that
> there wont be a manifesto? :)
>
> Waiting to see what comes out in the mash'
> :)
> minh

> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 5:43 PM, grahamwegner <wegner.gra...@gmail.com>

[alexanderhayes]

> a good enema does more to cleanse the soul than any preacher on a pulpit.

So is that where the term 'shit-for-brains' comes from ?

On Jun 17, 2:40 pm, "Kim FLINTOFF" <kim...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> A manifesto may well emerge - but in the tradition of the greats like Bowie
> - its completely up to you when you decide to reinvent yourself.
>
> I'm quite happy to recant if the meme becomes something concrete.

>
> Change, after all, is the only thing consistent in a definition of learning.
>

> If we want certainly then I suggest we take up fundamental religion. I'm

> happy with the fuzziness, confusion, contradictions and general plurality of

> the edupunk discussions at the moment..
>
> And let's think about Bowie's statement once more - a good enema does more

> to cleanse the soul than any preacher on a pulpit.
>
> Cheers
>
> Kim Flintoff B.A., Grad. Dip. Ed., M.Ed.
> PhD Candidate
> QUT Creative Industries: Performance Studies
> Sessional Lecturer/Tutor/University Colleague
> ECU School of Education and Arts: Contemporary Performance / Drama Education
>
> University Supervisor
> Murdoch University School of Education
> Front of House Manager
> AEG Ogdens - Perth Concert Hall
>
> From: teachAndL...@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:teachAndL...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of minh mcCloy
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 12:14 PM
> To: teachAndL...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: :: TALO :: Re: Edu [Punk]
>
> I got asked what edupunk was in a cafe in Bangalow in northern NSW yesterday
> morning - 'edupunk' is definitely being memetic.
> I didn't know of course - could just say that I, too , had noted
> considerable toing & froing over the net about the idea/concept/notion/meme
>
> I had crossreferenced it to cyberpunk - being a huge Gibson fan - & to

> steampunkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk- being an avid reader of

> boing boing. Steampunk seems to me to be a concrete representation of, at
> least, some aspects of an edupunk meme - retro-futuristic-elegant
> constructs that exhibit whimsy & utility.
>
> When Molly Meldrum asked David Bowie what was his take on punk, (at the
> zenith of punk's glorious novelty), Bowie said, "A very important enema."
>
> If i declare myself to be an edupunk can everyone else who does promise that
> there wont be a manifesto? :)
>
> Waiting to see what comes out in the mash'
> :)
> minh
>

> On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 5:43 PM, grahamwegner <wegner.gra...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> This is definitely an edu-punk hangout.
>
> Which explains why I don't post more often.
>
> Maybe I'm an edu-punk wannabe...
>

> Grahamhttp://gwegner.edublogs.org/

[alexanderhayes]

Hitler tried hard on manifestos and in the name of purity cause purile
subliminity.

David Lynch did his best with Lost Highway.

The PIL did it anyway, always.

So does James Farmer.

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Registrar: ENOM, INC.
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On Jun 17, 6:34 pm, "craig bottomley" <bottspl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hey janet
>
> i'd have to agree that edupunk is most probably a description of self, but
> as kim says, the results of my being edupunk will be evident in the
> experiences my students have whilst in my company. it will also influence
> how i teach and perhaps even what i teach but most definitely i see an an
> effect on my attitude to what i teach.
>
> i will continue to write micro$oft; i will teach copyleft and creative
> commons when asked about copyright; i will use diigo and flickrcc and
> jamendo to create mashups for resources; i will continue to refuse to make
> my students buy textbooks; i will continue to pervert the natural state and
> will allow my students to access youtube and facebook and myspace... but
> like minh suggests (and i guess is fervently hoping) this IS NOT to be read
> as a manifesto or a set of agreed upon rules or ways. this is my way and as
> the sex pistols so elegantly sang - i will do it my way and will continue to
> do it my way until the weight of criticism forces me to look elsewhere....
>
> and lets be honest about the name - punk, in its truest form, was always
> supposed to be about anarchy and anti establishment, and how can anything
> that is truly anarchic have anything vaguely resembling manifesto or rules.
>
> botts
>

> 2008/6/17 Janet Hawtin <lucych...@gmail.com>:

[alexanderhayes]

I can picture Bron with weeping masscara on a cold Wellington night
staggering out of a slam-dancin' dem :)

On Jun 17, 7:50 pm, "Bronwyn Hegarty" <bronwyn.hega...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > *Kim Flintoff **B.A., Grad. Dip. Ed., M.Ed.**
> > **PhD Candidate

> > QUT Creative Industries: Performance Studies
> > Sessional Lecturer/Tutor/University Colleague
> > ECU School of Education and Arts: Contemporary Performance / Drama

> > Education*
> > *University Supervisor

> > Murdoch University School of Education
> > Front of House Manager

> > AEG Ogdens - Perth Concert Hall*
>
> > *From:* teachAndL...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > teachAndL...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *minh mcCloy
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 June 2008 12:14 PM
> > *To:* teachAndL...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* :: TALO :: Re: Edu [Punk]

>
> > I got asked what edupunk was in a cafe in Bangalow in northern NSW
> > yesterday morning - 'edupunk' is definitely being memetic.
>
> > I didn't know of course - could just say that I, too , had noted
> > considerable toing & froing over the net about the idea/concept/notion/meme
>
> > I had crossreferenced it to cyberpunk - being a huge Gibson fan - & to

> > steampunkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk- being an avid reader of

> > boing boing. Steampunk seems to me to be a concrete representation of, at
> > least, some aspects of an edupunk meme - retro-futuristic-elegant
> > constructs that exhibit whimsy & utility.
>
> > When Molly Meldrum asked David Bowie what was his take on punk, (at the
> > zenith of punk's glorious novelty), Bowie said, "A very important enema."
>
> > If i declare myself to be an edupunk can everyone else who does promise
> > that there wont be a manifesto? :)
>
> > Waiting to see what comes out in the mash'
> > :)
> > minh
>

> > On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 5:43 PM, grahamwegner <wegner.gra...@gmail.com>

> email:bronw...@tekotago.ac.nz <email%3Abronw...@tekotago.ac.nz>http://bahtings.blogspot.com

[Bronwyn Hegarty]

my super lashes are real! :)

email:bron...@tekotago.ac.nz

[alexanderhayes]

lol......and yet I've received mixed responses to http://www.edupunk.com.au
- some people think the whole idea is grubby.

On Jun 18, 12:07 pm, "Bronwyn Hegarty" <bronwyn.hega...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > > > steampunkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk-being an avid reader

> > email%3Abronw...@tekotago.ac.nz <email%253Abronw...@tekotago.ac.nz>>

[Leo Wong]

I give my 2 cents on http://leolaoshi.yo2.cn/tag/edupunk/ on edupunk idea in China , you will need to use google translation to read it .

1 My concern was Edupunk are only talking about education technologist 2 do you think I am an edupunk ? I don't smoke or drink am I qualify to be one ? :)

Leo

在2008-06-17，"Bronwyn Hegarty" <bronwyn...@gmail.com> 写道：
>depends where you keep your soul I guess. I'd like to think mine keeps well clear of the enema region. :(
>
>On another tack.
>Long live punk! The young are still doin it, making music
>underground and producing their own music labels….it is no longer just
>a 70s phenomenon… I know cos I bred one and a fine punk he is…he and
>his band (Ritalin) wrote this which makes the point for me…"you live in
>a suburban home and you die when you kneel at their throne, shop you
>drop, you buy, you sell, you close your stagnant mind…." taken from -
>Not my idea, Ritalin Roguetown, 2007.

>Edupunk is surely about opening minds (not with enemas God forbid), helping people to see the other picture as we creep in the shadows.Bron purveyor of The Clash, Public Image, Gang of Four, The Stranglers, The jam and many more in 70s London - so I'm not completely full of sh**t

---

两两来Win为中国

[alexanderhayes]

A fairly directed retort wrapped and tagged as 'edupunk' derived from
a comment in Half An Hour - http://irishdancr.com/?p=124

On Jun 19, 4:45 pm, "Leo Wong" <leolo...@163.com> wrote:
> I give my 2 cents onhttp://leolaoshi.yo2.cn/tag/edupunk/on edupunk idea in China , you will need to use google translation to read it .

>
> 1 My concern was Edupunk are only talking about education technologist 2 do you think I am an edupunk ? I don't smoke or drink am I qualify to be one ? :)
>
> Leo
>

> 在2008-06-17，"Bronwyn Hegarty" <bronwyn.hega...@gmail.com> 写道：
>
> >depends where you keep your soul I guess. I'd like to think mine keeps well clear of the enema region. :(
>
> >On another tack.
> >Long live punk! The young are still doin it, making music

> >underground and producing their own music labels....it is no longer just
> >a 70s phenomenon... I know cos I bred one and a fine punk he is...he and
> >his band (Ritalin) wrote this which makes the point for me..."you live in

> >a suburban home and you die when you kneel at their throne, shop you

> >drop, you buy, you sell, you close your stagnant mind...." taken from -

> >Not my idea, Ritalin Roguetown, 2007.
> >Edupunk is surely about opening minds (not with enemas God forbid), helping people to see the other picture as we creep in the shadows.Bron purveyor of The Clash, Public Image, Gang of Four, The Stranglers, The jam and many more in 70s London - so I'm not completely full of sh**t
>
> >On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Kim FLINTOFF <kim...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>

> >A manifesto may well emerge - but in the tradition of the greats
> >like Bowie - its completely up to you when you decide to reinvent yourself...
>
> >I'm quite happy to recant if the meme becomes something concrete...

>
> >Change, after all, is the only thing consistent in a definition
> >of learning.
>
> >If we want certainly then I suggest we take up fundamental

> >religion... I'm happy with the fuzziness, confusion, contradictions and general
> >plurality of the edupunk discussions at the moment....
>
> >And let's think about Bowie's statement once more - a good enema

> >does more to cleanse the soul than any preacher on a pulpit.
>
> >Cheers
>
> >Kim Flintoff B.A., Grad. Dip. Ed., M.Ed.
>
> >PhD Candidate
>
> >QUT Creative Industries: Performance Studies
>
> >Sessional Lecturer/Tutor/University Colleague
>
> >ECU School of Education and Arts: Contemporary Performance / Drama Education
>
> >University Supervisor
>
> >Murdoch University School of Education
>
> >Front of House Manager
>
> >AEG Ogdens - Perth Concert Hall
>
> >From:
> >teachAndL...@googlegroups.com
> >[mailto:teachAndL...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of minh mcCloy
>
> >Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 12:14 PM
>
> >To: teachAndL...@googlegroups.com
>
> >Subject: :: TALO :: Re: Edu [Punk]
>
> >I got asked what edupunk was in a
> >cafe in Bangalow in northern NSW yesterday morning - 'edupunk' is definitely
> >being memetic.
>
> >I didn't know of course - could just say that I, too , had noted considerable
> >toing & froing over the net about the idea/concept/notion/meme
>
> >I had crossreferenced it to cyberpunk - being a huge Gibson fan - & to

> >steampunkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk

> >- being an avid reader of boing boing. Steampunk seems to me to be a concrete
> >representation of, at least, some aspects of an edupunk meme -
> >retro-futuristic-elegant constructs that exhibit whimsy & utility.
>
> >When Molly Meldrum asked David Bowie what was his take on punk, (at the
> >zenith of punk's glorious novelty), Bowie said, "A very important
> >enema."
>
> >If i declare myself to be an edupunk can everyone else who does promise that
> >there wont be a manifesto? :)
>
> >Waiting to see what comes out in the mash'
>
> >:)
>
> >minh
>
> >On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 5:43 PM,

> >grahamwegner <wegner.gra...@gmail.com>

> >email:bronw...@tekotago.ac.nz

>
> >http://bahtings.blogspot.com
> >Ph: 03 479 3600 or 0800 762786 ext 8360
> >cell: 021 735438
> >Skype: bronwynannh
> >Second Life avatar: Branwen Trewellion
>

> >');
> > }
> >//-->

[alexanderhayes]

Edupunk scheduled for deletion - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edupunk

On Jun 19, 4:45 pm, "Leo Wong" <leolo...@163.com> wrote:

> I give my 2 cents onhttp://leolaoshi.yo2.cn/tag/edupunk/on edupunk idea in China , you will need to use google translation to read it .

>
> 1 My concern was Edupunk are only talking about education technologist 2 do you think I am an edupunk ? I don't smoke or drink am I qualify to be one ? :)
>
> Leo
>

> 在2008-06-17，"Bronwyn Hegarty" <bronwyn.hega...@gmail.com> 写道：
>
> >depends where you keep your soul I guess. I'd like to think mine keeps well clear of the enema region. :(
>
> >On another tack.
> >Long live punk! The young are still doin it, making music

> >underground and producing their own music labels....it is no longer just
> >a 70s phenomenon... I know cos I bred one and a fine punk he is...he and
> >his band (Ritalin) wrote this which makes the point for me..."you live in

> >a suburban home and you die when you kneel at their throne, shop you

> >drop, you buy, you sell, you close your stagnant mind...." taken from -

> >Not my idea, Ritalin Roguetown, 2007.
> >Edupunk is surely about opening minds (not with enemas God forbid), helping people to see the other picture as we creep in the shadows.Bron purveyor of The Clash, Public Image, Gang of Four, The Stranglers, The jam and many more in 70s London - so I'm not completely full of sh**t
>
> >On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Kim FLINTOFF <kim...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>

> >A manifesto may well emerge - but in the tradition of the greats
> >like Bowie - its completely up to you when you decide to reinvent yourself...
>
> >I'm quite happy to recant if the meme becomes something concrete...

>
> >Change, after all, is the only thing consistent in a definition
> >of learning.
>
> >If we want certainly then I suggest we take up fundamental

> >religion... I'm happy with the fuzziness, confusion, contradictions and general
> >plurality of the edupunk discussions at the moment....
>
> >And let's think about Bowie's statement once more - a good enema

> >does more to cleanse the soul than any preacher on a pulpit.
>
> >Cheers
>
> >Kim Flintoff B.A., Grad. Dip. Ed., M.Ed.
>
> >PhD Candidate
>
> >QUT Creative Industries: Performance Studies
>
> >Sessional Lecturer/Tutor/University Colleague
>
> >ECU School of Education and Arts: Contemporary Performance / Drama Education
>
> >University Supervisor
>
> >Murdoch University School of Education
>
> >Front of House Manager
>
> >AEG Ogdens - Perth Concert Hall
>
> >From:
> >teachAndL...@googlegroups.com
> >[mailto:teachAndL...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of minh mcCloy
>
> >Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 12:14 PM
>
> >To: teachAndL...@googlegroups.com
>
> >Subject: :: TALO :: Re: Edu [Punk]
>
> >I got asked what edupunk was in a
> >cafe in Bangalow in northern NSW yesterday morning - 'edupunk' is definitely
> >being memetic.
>
> >I didn't know of course - could just say that I, too , had noted considerable
> >toing & froing over the net about the idea/concept/notion/meme
>
> >I had crossreferenced it to cyberpunk - being a huge Gibson fan - & to

> >steampunkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk

> >- being an avid reader of boing boing. Steampunk seems to me to be a concrete
> >representation of, at least, some aspects of an edupunk meme -
> >retro-futuristic-elegant constructs that exhibit whimsy & utility.
>
> >When Molly Meldrum asked David Bowie what was his take on punk, (at the
> >zenith of punk's glorious novelty), Bowie said, "A very important
> >enema."
>
> >If i declare myself to be an edupunk can everyone else who does promise that
> >there wont be a manifesto? :)
>
> >Waiting to see what comes out in the mash'
>
> >:)
>
> >minh
>
> >On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 5:43 PM,

> >grahamwegner <wegner.gra...@gmail.com>

> >email:bronw...@tekotago.ac.nz

>
> >http://bahtings.blogspot.com
> >Ph: 03 479 3600 or 0800 762786 ext 8360
> >cell: 021 735438
> >Skype: bronwynannh
> >Second Life avatar: Branwen Trewellion
>

> >');
> > }
> >//-->