Mr. Gordon Ramsay

[alexanderhayes]

The vote went from 9/10 to 0.5.

No one has anything to learn from you except extreme arrogance and
benign belittling humour not fit nor resembling a camel turd.

Officially Gordon your ffffffffffffffff................ cockhead.

I spat your program onto the floor and moved onto Harvey Norman
advertisements which at least have an element of humanity somewhere in
them.

I dont buy your crap no more.

Finger extendeded.

[alexanderhayes]

ps. heaven help us all if anyone ever treated there employees /
learners /clients in the same vile manner GR does...

On Apr 30, 9:51 pm, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Christopher Sessums]

Are you referring to the tv program Hell's Kitchen?
I love the way he treats those contestants. It's complete farce!
At least he isn't talking about them behind their backs. You clearly know, as employee, where he stands.
Plus, he acts as such to boost ratings and ad revenue.
As a contestant you know he's going to put on a show in front of the cameras.
As some say, "If you can't stand the heat..."

On a side note, I prefer a program called Top Chef.
Here contestants are REAL CHEFS competing against each other.
No shouting, but contestants do run the risk of being ridiculed for their efforts.

Having spent my share of years working in and out of kitchens, the thought of life in foodservice completely creeps me out. It can be pure HELL!

-c-

--
Christopher D. Sessums
College of Education
University of Florida
http://plaza.ufl.edu/ilji

[alexanderhayes]

I am referring Chris to Hell's Kitchens.

The other Ramsay show cut to the chase and really showed somen guts
and determination in a semi-real kind of way but this latest rubbish
is pure unalduterated Americana glam bam candy floss erk.

Sure the odd rant works with one of the hardest occupations in the
world however give us a break on the put downs. The world has gone
awol if we think Gerry Springer got it right.

GR's second show may appeal to some but then again so does camel shit
as GR would dish forth.

On May 1, 12:52 am, "Christopher Sessums" <csess...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you referring to the tv program Hell's Kitchen?
> I love the way he treats those contestants. It's complete farce!
> At least he isn't talking about them behind their backs. You clearly know,
> as employee, where he stands.
> Plus, he acts as such to boost ratings and ad revenue.
> As a contestant you know he's going to put on a show in front of the
> cameras.
> As some say, "If you can't stand the heat..."
>
> On a side note, I prefer a program called Top

> Chef<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Chef>
> .

[tHeSmUrF]

Not that I'm a fan of the show or of GR (far from it), but what does
Hell's Kitchen have to do with TALO?

On Apr 30, 9:51 pm, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Mark van Harmelen]

Hi

I like the odd GR programme, particularly to look on with horror as failing restauranters disregard his advice and go out of business (in a post Hell's Kitchen series), but what theSmurf asks is a good question.

> Not that I'm a fan of the show or of GR (far from it), but what does
> Hell's Kitchen have to do with TALO?

The only answer I can think of is that the occasional chit chat helps us bond.

Or does it really help us bond? Maybe that is more a function of incidental off-list communication (reference to Haythornthwaite goes here, if anyone really wants I can dig out a reference to the paper).

She would say
   TALO membership gives us latent links
   public (ie group mail list)  communication helps turn those latent links to weak links
   private communication helps latent links to turn into strong links.


regards
mark

[alexanderhayes]

I said the same thing of George Orwell's '1984' at the begining of my
English class in secondary school in 1984.

Thankfully TALO is broader in scope than cool tools for schools.
Likewise, popular culture, politics, human affairs and a host of other
seemingly off-topic themes run throughout the threads here and on the
rare occasion reality creeps in and a little attitude also.

I suppose TheSmurf, the Smurfs at one point in time also held sway
with children and teenagers as they grappled with alternate forms of
reality coming through to them via their parents LC2 Mac in 1995 and
onwards into Doom online and other Pixel Cities.

If you look closely at the pantomime long enough you'll notice that
somewhere amongst GR's rhetoric he has a burning desire to help and
assist people to better their lives and not accept second best as
normality. we have to admire him for that and as I was watching the
show through my entertainment Toshiba PC here it sudenly occured to me
that online also involves mainstream brainlessness TV...that mediums
are now mixed and if statistics are anything to go by theat television
as a lounge sport is fast on the decline.

Likewise, Hell's Kitchen for me resembles metaphorically those poor
learning 'kitchens' we expect our online learners to operate within as
they churn their way through to yet another tasteless course.

I recall the samething being declared when we began talking of why
Indigenous Australian's issues are as much our issue as they are an
online topic.

Teach+and+Learn+Online.

TALO.

Lets try and go one step beyond benign dystopia and explore things a
little more broadly.

More on the same musings here -
http://alexanderhayes.com/2008/05/03/the-dystopian-filter-social-networking-pre-eclampsia/

[tHeSmUrF]

Hi,

I have no issue with off topic discussion (in fact I welcome it), but
a little netiquette goes a long way.

Like everyone else on this list, I'm a member of hundreds of groups
and forums with some of these having thousands of posts a day. It
takes long enough to scan through the discussions, without having to
read off topic rants. If the group doesn't have a separate area for
off topic posts, at least post with OT or SOT in the title so others
know they can skip it. That is the polite thing to do.

Mark



On May 3, 8:04 pm, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> More on the same musings here -http://alexanderhayes.com/2008/05/03/the-dystopian-filter-social-netw...

>
> On May 2, 10:43 am, tHeSmUrF <mark.pic...@tafensw.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Not that I'm a fan of the show or of GR (far from it), but what does
> > Hell's Kitchen have to do with TALO?
>
> > On Apr 30, 9:51 pm, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > The vote went from 9/10 to 0.5.
>
> > > No one has anything to learn from you except extreme arrogance and
> > > benign belittling humour not fit nor resembling a camel turd.
>
> > > Officially Gordon your ffffffffffffffff................ cockhead.
>
> > > I spat your program onto the floor and moved onto Harvey Norman
> > > advertisements which at least have an element of humanity somewhere in
> > > them.
>
> > > I dont buy your crap no more.
>

> > > Finger extendeded.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[tHeSmUrF]

Thought maybe I should change the subject myself :)

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[alexanderhayes]

Lets vote on it.

OT smacks of yesteryear.

http://www.groups.edna.edu.au/mod/forum/view.php?id=48103

[Janet Hawtin]

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Christopher Sessums <cses...@gmail.com> wrote:

Having spent my share of years working in and out of kitchens, the thought of life in foodservice completely creeps me out. It can be pure HELL!

its the knife throwing chefs you have to watch out for =)
they help with quick learning skills...
(talo enough?)
j

[Kylie Rowsell]

http://www.groups.edna.edu.au/mod/forum/view.php?id=48103

Bwaaahaaahaaaahaaaaa!!!

I wonder why my RTO keeps getting employment enquiries and then, often,
appointing, ex-DET/TAFE staff.

Bwaaahaaaaahaaaa!!!

It's a funny culture they cultivate.

In my experience managing email lists (mostly in the area of artists and
writers - now there's a fun mob to 'moderate'!), trying to 'reign in'
the behaviours on a free thinkin' kind of list is not easy and not taken
well.

We just have to tolerate the OT (off topic, for those not up with the
lingo)....or maybe, god forbid, enjoy the discourse.

And keep lovin' that DELETE button.

Thanks,
Kylie
Training Coordinator
Local Government Training Institute

ph: 4978 4016
www.lgti.com.au - browse training calendar online

[rgrozdanic]

i actually think it's a good idea to use things like OT for off topic (or MT for "me too" responses, where you just want to say thanks to someone but don't cos you don't want to clog up people's in trays) or even other...   i'd certainly appreciate it as a reader cos  it's just another way of coding the information which strikes me as polite and useful

r

[tHeSmUrF]

WTF?

"OT smacks of yesteryear"

What, being polite and showing a little consideration for other
members of a group is yesteryear? I guess I shouldn't be surprised
Alex.

Just to reiterate, I'm not saying off topic discussion is bad (I think
it's needed), just that you should show consideration for other
members of a group/forum. Other than a couple of Google Groups, I
can't think of any group/forum I participate in that doesn't have an
OT section to post to. The ones that don't have off topic areas tend
to make use of OT (off topic), WOT (way off topic) and SOT (slightly
off topic) in the subject headings.

Anyway, it was just an observation after reading the diarrhoea from
the first post. I really don’t care enough to continue discussing the
topic.

Mark

[Mark van Harmelen]

I'll be back on this group in a while, my mail box is getting too clogged for my current work intensive life.

thanks for the conversations
mark

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:59 AM, rgrozdanic <rgroz...@gmail.com> wrote:

i actually think it's a good idea to use things like OT for off topic (or MT for "me too" responses, where you just want to say thanks to someone but don't cos you don't want to clog up people's in trays) or even other...   i'd certainly appreciate it as a reader cos  it's just another way of coding the information which strikes me as polite and useful

r

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[alexanderhayes]

WTF??

I'm afraid that acronym and others have been reserved for pub poetry
night.

I agreethat the initial post that has prompted this discussion
contains potentially flatulant and objectionable language of inference
that is both Shakespearean, worrysome and of concern. That is was the
point on the post. Almost exactly as GR would use and minus some other
expletives that didnt make it to air begining with 'c'.

I was using the language contextually in the first post as it would
read at the moment in the press ( SMH etc. ) where objection to foul
mouthed antics is entirely circumstantial and culturally objectionable
for those who mostly are polite......some would say complicit to
atrocities and others simply accepting that in differing cultures the
word 'f...' is used as often as any other co-joiner.

SMH topics on technology pepper this list's dialogue, as do politic,
religon, cultural affairs and a host of other one liners for use or
simply slipped over as trash. I was pointing to an example of where
despite all attempts to retain consideration and politeness, open
lists dont necessarily lead to adjunct and breakout rooms within which
any flow or dialogue goes beyond the begining of another list | group
| network......it's the personal that beats the latency as Mark
suggests and how deeply we can read into ones contribution.

As Kylie suggests,

" We just have to tolerate the OT (off topic, for those not up with
the
lingo)....or maybe, god forbid, enjoy the discourse. "

Tolerance is a very tricky equation. We have seen some amazing feats
of tolerance, goodwill and politeness observed in TALO over the years
involving diverse nations, opinions and personal intent.

Teaching and learning online involves language ,culture , opinion and
the odd ramble. By all means use OT it if it seems approriate in your
own way as a signifier. Deleting it involves consultation and unravels
all sorts of biases and belief systems however in some cases just
downright necessary.

It takes courage to press the delete button. It would mean
contemplating a shift in our bcc attitudes to anothers opinion.

I see more expletives and acronyms buried daily in an unending flow of
organisational consultation rhetoric.... and if parliament is anything
to go by, no wonder our humane counsel on petty matters such as
popular culture in an educational technology list has such
significance and why over a thousand readers and 100 contributors keep
this one alive.

Some pose prettily with tight ties and shmarmy Gloweaves. Others smoke
Marloboro, slug back triple-shot vodka's and snarl around corners on
hogs as halidome as papal in black.

Which ever way we look at it we need to find ways to build bridges and
punch holes through into the next firewall.

> Mrk

[alexanderhayes]

I found this which can guide us further - http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm

On May 6, 1:15 pm, tHeSmUrF <mark.pic...@tafensw.edu.au> wrote:

[LeighBlackall]

Personally, I don't see anything as being off topic, and have never
before considered the "OT" indication as being something polite..
kinda geeky actually. But if some people consider it so, then it
should be so I suppose. But here's my thoughts on GM and just about
everything else "our" culture stands for these days:
http://www.marriedtothesea.com/042108/what-would-be-cooler.gif

On May 7, 2:14 pm, alexanderhayes <alexanderhayes1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I found this which can guide us further -http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm