ARE WE MEETING TOMORROW?

[Deep Dhir]

ARE WE MEETING TOMORROW? 
If yes, then the following should be included in the Agenda.

1) Meeting between TCN AOA and TCS AOA - the Purpose has been mentioned by me in earlier emails. Who is going to convene and When?

2) Service Tax -  Notification by the GOI in July 2012 - TCS AOA would come in the Exempt Category if a certain path is followed - I will explain. 

3) The Demand note - the sooner we issue the better it will be. 

4) Discarding Google Group and becoming a member of a Portal - It will be a professional, regimented approach to the complaints/ Maintenance Services - a web based Accounting Activities including billing of Maint., Payment Gateway etc.   

Sachin had mentioned to me that he has located a portal which will render all the activities Free of Cost. 

My concern is Timeline -  the sooner it is adopted and implemented, the better will be the streamlining of various Admin & Accounting Services rendered or to be rendered by TCS AOA. 

Result - lessening if not elimination of the Criticism in the working of TCS AOA  and reduction in plethora of emails,' sailing in all the directions - rudder less with destinations forgotten'

Please inform if it is going to be held and at what time - otherwise, I will assume, it is not going to be convened.

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[rajnish kumar]

Dhir uncle,

I thought you have the prerogative to circulate the agenda and call for TC meetings.

I am assuming we are meeting today at 9, pls confirm.

I request for an agenda based discussion in the interest of time and anything not in the agenda circulated by Dhir uncle to be taken up in the end only if time permits. I am fine with the agenda suggested.

I personally need to have a hard stop at 10.30.

Regards

Rajnish

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[AMIT ARORA]

Today even I have to leave at 1015 sharp.

Regards
Amit Arora
 

 

 

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[Deep Dhir]

OK, WE WILL MEET AT 0900 HRS. END TIME WILL BE 1000 HRS.

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[rajnish kumar]

Dhir uncle and I seem to be the only attendees!


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-----Original Message-----
From: Deep Dhir <dhir...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 02:23:48
To: <kumarr...@hotmail.com>
Cc: <tcs-transiti...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: ARE WE MEETING TOMORROW?

OK, WE WILL MEET AT 0900 HRS. END TIME WILL BE 1000 HRS.

On 26 May 2013 07:19, rajnish kumar <kumarr...@hotmail.com <mailto:kumarr...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Dhir uncle,

I thought you have the prerogative to circulate the agenda and call for TC meetings.

I am assuming we are meeting today at 9, pls confirm.

I request for an agenda based discussion in the interest of time and anything not in the agenda circulated by Dhir uncle to be taken up in the end only if time permits. I am fine with the agenda suggested.

I personally need to have a hard stop at 10.30.

Regards
Rajnish

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On May 25, 2013, at 10:52 PM, "Deep Dhir" <dhir...@gmail.com <mailto:dhir...@gmail.com> > wrote:

ARE WE MEETING TOMORROW? 
If yes, then the following should be included in the Agenda.

1) Meeting between TCN AOA and TCS AOA - the Purpose has been mentioned by me in earlier emails. Who is going to convene and When?
2) Service Tax -  Notification by the GOI in July 2012 - TCS AOA would come in the Exempt Category if a certain path is followed - I will explain. 
3) The Demand note - the sooner we issue the better it will be. 
4) Discarding Google Group and becoming a member of a Portal - It will be a professional, regimented approach to the complaints/ Maintenance Services - a web based Accounting Activities including billing of Maint., Payment Gateway etc.   

Sachin had mentioned to me that he has located a portal which will render all the activities Free of Cost. 

My concern is Timeline -  the sooner it is adopted and implemented, the better will be the streamlining of various Admin & Accounting Services rendered or to be rendered by TCS AOA. 

Result - lessening if not elimination of the Criticism in the working of TCS AOA  and reduction in plethora of emails,' sailing in all the directions - rudder less with destinations forgotten'

Please inform if it is going to be held and at what time - otherwise, I will assume, it is not going to be convened.

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[rajnish kumar]

All,

Today's transition committee meeting was not what it should have been to my mind.

1. Most of the people came in quite late - I request everyone to respect each other's time and be punctual.

2. We started off with no regard to the agenda. Dhir uncle should be allowed to conduct the meeting as per the agenda detailed out.

3. Discussions became emotional and loud. In a simple democratic process we need to air our views, vote in support and against and move to the next point.

Meeting eventually got disrupted because people had been called to discuss the dog problem and they started coming in. Obviously TC meeting had to be abandoned with nothing achieved.

We need to conduct the meeting a lot more efficiently to get anywhere.

Regards,
Rajnish

[Sachin Gupta]

Rajnish,

The discussion started on a decision that was taken last week. I have in the
past stated that we do not have the luxury of revisiting any decisions that
have been made.

I do agree that people need to come on time and remain focused to the
agenda.

Thanks

Sachin

[rajnish kumar]

Sachin,

If we have an agenda everyone needs to adhere to it. You can always suggest changes in the agenda when its circulated. But the agenda can't be disregarded otherwise we will have chaotic and unproductive meetings like today.

Rgds

[Sachin Gupta]

Did not know that there was an agenda as the email came late at night yesterday. Regardless of agenda we can't revisit decisions taken.

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Sent: 26/05/2013 6:08 PM
To: Sachin Gupta ; dhir...@gmail.com

[rajnish kumar]

Its the committee's prerogative to decide what it wants to discuss.

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From: Sachin Gupta <sachin...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 13:44:18
To: <kumarr...@hotmail.com>; <dhir...@gmail.com>
Cc: <tcs-transiti...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: ARE WE MEETING TOMORROW?

Did not know that there was an agenda as the email came late at night yesterday. Regardless of agenda we can't revisit decisions taken.

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[Sachin Gupta]

Not. We agreed to this 3 weeks ago over estate manager discussion. Rules can't change.

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From: rajnish kumar
Sent: 26/05/2013 7:16 PM

[rajnish kumar]

Meaning? Committee can't decide what it wants to do? Then who will decide for the committee?

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From: Sachin Gupta <sachin...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 15:22:57
To: <kumarr...@hotmail.com>; <dhir...@gmail.com>
Cc: <tcs-transiti...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: ARE WE MEETING TOMORROW?

Not. We agreed to this 3 weeks ago over estate manager discussion. Rules can't change.

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[Aparajito Mukherjee]

Also what is the decision we are talking about. Kind of feeling left out, in the middle of Kolkata... :)

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[aviral sethi]

1. This committee has lost its basic OBJECTIVE of what it was set up for.
2. The committee has been going all over the place visiting areas that are in the scope of the Transition
3. Henceforth - The  3 main objectives of the functioning of committee to be laid down by Sachin Gupta
4. The committee is work within the parameters of the Objective and not beyond it
5. Focus should be on TRANISTION only

[AMIT ARORA]

Aviral, I think this committee has always focused on just transition. The problem is that transition by itself includes almost everything... so even things like publishing of accounts just fell under it.

Regards
Amit Arora
 

 

 

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[aviral sethi]

The accounts are an AOA matter not a Transition matter.....Let the AOA do what it is suppose to do, we have some excellent people in the group
 
We should focus on external accounts of the society......such as IFMS etc
 
Lastly everything DOES not fall under Transition. Only Transition falls under Transition....
 
Transition is making sure we get what we set out to do with UNITECH, not get bogged down with internal matters

 

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To: avira...@hotmail.com; kumarr...@hotmail.com; Sachin...@hotmail.com; dhir...@gmail.com
CC: tcs-transiti...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: ARE WE MEETING TOMORROW?

Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 00:59:15 +0000

[Aparajito Mukherjee]

Aviral, you are ranting now. And yes the delay in statement of accounts came under the purview of transition committee suggestions as building up credibility as a precursor to the demand note was required. Delinking the SoA with optimal collection of CAM is something not too many people would do so the transition committee didn't either. You are right to some extent on the AOA doing what it should be doing and if that is done in time, and huge credibility is already there, some areas would need not be covered again for the sake of it as it would then have no bearing on the transition. 

I am afraid, Aviral, the members of the transition committee, mostly at least are there on their own accord to try and do the right thing for the community and are not there to support any decision or approach or persons blindly. At least that's how I defined my role there. If you have defined your role differently we can discuss the same in the next meeting. We can ask Dhiruncle to put it in the agenda. 

Warm regards,

Jito

On 27-May-2013, at 6:32 AM, "aviral sethi" <avira...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The accounts are an AOA matter not a Transition matter.....Let the AOA do what it is suppose to do, we have some excellent people in the group
 
We should focus on external accounts of the society......such as IFMS etc
 
Lastly everything DOES not fall under Transition. Only Transition falls under Transition....
 
Transition is making sure we get what we set out to do with UNITECH, not get bogged down with internal matters

 

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From: arora...@jubl.com
To: avira...@hotmail.com; kumarr...@hotmail.com; Sachin...@hotmail.com; dhir...@gmail.com
CC: tcs-transiti...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ARE WE MEETING TOMORROW?
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 00:59:15 +0000

Aviral, I think this committee has always focused on just transition. The problem is that transition by itself includes almost everything... so even things like publishing of accounts just fell under it.

Regards
Amit Arora
 

 

 

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[aviral sethi]

1. We need to stop being and actng as if we are over and above the AOA, period.
 
2. We should follow and agenda and the same shall not be deviated from
 
3. Financials are an AOA subject and not a Transttion matter
 
4. We are all here to do the right thing , as you correctly stated. We should MAINTAIN that statement
 
5. In future we should have an agenda as we had discussed in the first meeting by wednesday of ever week
 
6. Financial statements delay/ time is did not come under the Transition committee, it was made to come under and it has no relevance to the Transition issues with UNITECH
 
7. The main issue is that we started first from the blck and are yet to get anywhere on Transition, period

 

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Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 12:50:12 +1000

[Aparajito Mukherjee]

Good points Aviral. I think each of them merit a constructive discussion. Let’s take each one of this up at the next meeting.

 

Dear Uncle, can you please include each of these points as the agenda for the next meeting by Wednesday.

 

Thanks,

Jito

[Aparajito Mukherjee]

Also uncle, can you publish the minutes of the meeting conducted yesterday so that all of us are on the same page when we meet next Sunday.

 

Thanks,

Jito

[AMIT ARORA]

Aviral, I also disagree there. We have non AOA members in the TC as probably they understand how a resident may behave in certain situation and how do we get an acceptance from majority. That is the precise reason why publishing of accounts has been discussed in TC several times. Why this statement now ?

Why do we then discuss CAM charges in TC ? Even that should be just AOA decision. There are linkages across and all of us should understand that. Otherwise let us define the focus of this group or may be I have misunderstood it. Being 3 months into it, all of a sudden it has become hazy.



Regards
Amit Arora
 

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[Sachin Gupta]

Folks,

 

This group needs to focus on Transition. A lot of things will encompass that such as Estate Manager, Vendor Management for new vendors, CAM charges etc. We can go back and define that.

 

I think that we need to work backwards. Define the end goal and a timeline and work backwards. One thing that we can't continue to do is to revisit the decisions that have been made. Once a decision is made it is made and we all need to stick to it.

 

If we are a part of this committee we need to be role models and stick together on our decisions. People can't take unilateral decision and if they want to, they can and should not be a part of the committee.

 

Let's meet on Sunday and move forward.

 

Amit,

 

I would appreciate if you could circulate the Demand Letter and close it on email. We should look to get that out this week.

 

Maniesh,

 

I will get the offer letter scanned and sent to you today for Estate Manager.

 

 

 

Thanks

Sachin

[rajnish kumar]

Sachin,
 
Demand note was on the agenda last week and couldnt be discussed as the meeting got disrupted. It needs to be discussed before its sent out as quite a few members including Amit, Maniesh and I had raised relevant points to be discussed. Jito also has reservations about rushing into it. So, I suggest this be discussed adequately next Sunday before its sent out.
 
regards,
Rajnish
 
 

 

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To: tcs-transiti...@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: ARE WE MEETING TOMORROW?

Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 11:06:16 +0530

[Aparajito Mukherjee]

Agree completely. Let's bring each of the outstanding points to a logical conclusion when we meet on Sunday. 

Warm regards,

Jito

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[Pawan Khurana]

Team 

I recommend a Concall today evening to finalise the letter instead of waiting till next Sunday. Please consolidate your points and close it today. Please reply back if you agree. Call  should be at 6.30 pm for half an hour. 

Warm Regards

Pawan Khurana

[Sachin Gupta]

I am fine with the call but demand letter got discussed and closed on 19th. Jito and you were not in the meeting and I am not willing to discuss this again.

[Pawan Khurana]

I too was fine. Since Rajnish and jito apparently have some points to add. Amit has already circulated the draft. We should discuss the additional points and send. The decision to send the letter should stand as it is. 

Warm Regards

Pawan Khurana

[Aparajito Mukherjee]

The issue is not whether we should send the letter, the question is when, how, etc. I hope for all of us the end objective is not defined as 'send the letter' but how we can get maximum buy in and collection through the letter. If that mandates a discussion I am all for it. Shooting from the hip without thinking through will not get us to the desired objective. 

Warm regards,

Jito