Old Core Vs. New Core Questions

[Mark Smith]

Good morning everyone. I am writing to see how each of the institutions plan to handle the following concerns with the core curriculum.

You have a learner who is core complete in the 080 area under the old core at your institution, changed to a new catalog that includes the new core, but the course or courses are not part of the new core, do you still consider them core complete for 080?

You have a learner who completed a science course under the old 030 core area, is not core complete in that core area, then changes to a newer catalog where the science course already completed is not approved in the new core FCA. Do you count this course under the new core?

You have a learner who completed two 1-hour PE classes under the old 090 core area and then changes to a newer catalog where the PE courses are not approved in the new core. Do you still count these courses as part of the new 090 FCA?

Thank you all in advance for your valued inputs on these questions and I hope you have a terrific Tuesday.

Mark A. Smith, Ph.D.

Vice President of Educational Services (Chief Academic Officer)

Temple College

2600 South First Street

Temple, TX 76504

254-298-8341

254-298-8345 (fax)

www.templejc.edu

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[Wilder, Charles V.]

Dr. Smith,

It was my understanding that if a student had started their degree under the old core, they would have the choice of either staying with the old or moving to the new core.  I understood that to mean that they would have to complete their core in one or the other. This would make it much easier to keep up with their core completion.  First time students in the Fall 2014 semester on would not have a choice. They are under the new core. If a returning student chose to continue under the old core, they would have to complete the courses listed in it. There would be no mixing and matching from old to new core.

 

This is the way I interpreted the THECB. If I am wrong, I am sure others will catch my mistake and correct me.

 

Vernon Wilder
Texarkana College

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[Butch Hayes]

Our policy at Tyler Junior College aligns with that of Texarkana, first-time students in the Fall of 2014 have no choice, at this time, continuing students may choose the new core, or they can complete under the catalogue they entered under.  We will give credit in the new Core for a course completed before the Fall of 2014, but we will not substitute courses.

 

 

Dr. Homer M. “Butch” Hayes, Ph.D.

Provost

Tyler Junior College

P.O. Box 9020

Tyler, TX 75711-9020

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[Watson, Jeffrey]

I too understood that students starting Fall 2014 have to be under the new core, and those students already enrolled have the option to be in the new or the old core.  BUT the real question seems to be if a current student changes to the new (2014/2015) catalog, do they have to change to the new core?  That is a good question: can you be taking a program form one catalog and use the core from another catalog?

Jeff

[Dani Day]

If students come in from another school, regardless of catalog year, we expect to credit them with having completed any elements of the core that their transcripts show as complete. It seems like that might be a good way to look at native students, as well. If they are showing credits as counting towards core on their transcript, even if it is not a course that we currently have in our core (as is sometimes the case with transfer students,) then we credit them with having completed that element of the core. Then, rather than seeing it as using multiple catalogs, we can see it as transferring a student from one catalog to another.

Dani   

 

Dani Day
Vice President of Academic and Workforce Development/SACSCOC Liaison
Collin College
3452 Spur 399
McKinney, Texas  75069
972.758.3804  F 972.758.3807

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[Watson, Jeffrey]

Excellent response!

[Mark Smith]

Thank you all for your wonderful responses. Very helpful as usual. Like many of you, a learner who started under the 2014 catalog will fall under the new core and there are no issues.

If someone is core complete in an FCA under the old core, we plan to count them as core complete under our new core if they change to our 2014 or later catalog. We will treat them as Dani outlined below.

The bigger problem I have is someone who might be core complete in 090 under the old core and they then move to a new catalog with the new core. I am struggling with how we would say they are core complete under the new core when there is such a disparity in the hours completed (2 hours - 6 hours). Thoughts on the 090 issue? Thank you all again for your valued feedback and enjoy your evening.

Mark

Have a wonderful day.

Warm Regards,

Mark