June TCBA Advocacy Meeting - Wednesday June 5th at LMB

[dale freeman]

FYI

Please send me your agenda items for this Wednesday's meeting.

Thanks!

Dale

[Dan Stockwell]

Put me down for a quick Delta Township update. 

Dan

Dan Stockwell 

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Subject: June TCBA Advocacy Meeting - Wednesday June 5th at LMB

 

[Tim Potter]

My wife is scheduled to return Wed. late evening, so I'll be frantically cleaning the house getting ready for the white glove inspection (and the hopeful safe arrival of my new custom bike from Japan)!

Not sure if Pat Harrington can attend, so here's the report for the 2024 Ride of Silence as posted on the official website:

East Lansing, 155 Riders

This was the 17th year for Greater Lansing Ride of Silence. Excellent media coverage and law enforcement assistance (approx. 20 officers from 5 different local and state agencies) - the interviews coincided with recent publication of MI State Police fatality analysis - our state had recent increases. We once again had a bagpiper as we launched. Weather was outstanding.

Event Photos (& links to news articles, videos, etc):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n9oao87Tk5UncJBVzV4rKry_2omZfnyL/view?usp=sharing
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/EDrnG5HgHfKZNiDa/?
https://www.wlns.com/news/17th-annual-ride-of-silence-in-lansing-begins-today-at-msu/
https://www.wilx.com/2024/05/16/mid-michigan-bike-riders-gather-17th-annual-ride-silence/
https://statenews.com/article/2024/05/cyclists-bike-from-msu-campus-to-capitol-to-raise-awareness-for-road-safety-honor-victims

 
Tim

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[Tom Hardenbergh]

I'll be on the North West Tour.  Webster Road at Drumheller Rd will be closed for awhile.  The grade of the hill will be reduced.  If you're coming to Bath (?) to ride, come in from the north.

On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 3:42 PM dale freeman <dfree...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Tom Hardenbergh]

Yeah, provocative title lured me in.  Road design isn't a one size fits all solution.  Designers have definitely been biased.  The human element across the spectrum of needs has not been fully and equitably considered.

Tom H

On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 11:10 PM Prahinski, Carol <prah...@broad.msu.edu> wrote:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-03/in-killed-by-a-traffic-engineer-a-us-road-planner-pleads-for-reform?srnd=citylab

I read this article and thought of you and this group. Some of you will find it interesting.

Cheers, 

Carol Prahinski, Ph.D., DTM, Registered Parliamentarian 

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Subject: [TCBA-Advocacy] Re: June TCBA Advocacy Meeting - Wednesday June 5th at LMB

 

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[Tim Potter]

This quote reminds me of my attempts to get MDOT engineers to make Mer. Twp's 3 new pedestrian "safety islands" truly safe for the pedestrians who risk crossing 5 lanes of Grand River Ave. I've since concluded that these "safety islands" are only safe for the motorists who hit them (and the engineers will say as much when pressed), not for a pedestrian who might be unfortunate enough to be standing there expecting to be safe from the motorists.

"Are there aspects of highway engineering where we have made progress sunsetting practices that have been shown to be wrong?

I’d say street trees, which conflict with this concept of clear zones. We wanted a more forgiving road, so we would cut down all trees alongside it. We’re still doing that on highways and rural roads, but we’re rethinking it in cities, because the trees might change how people drive on urban streets. It might lead to safer outcomes. Plus it’s a protection between the street and the sidewalk, where pedestrians are likely to be."

Tim

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[Ann Siegle]

Tim, this was an illuminating article! I would have entirely assumed the safety islands were safe - but clearly we've seen they aren't (as evidenced by the fact that the poles on the ones on Burcham - let alone Grand River - have been mowed down multiple times. We should build larger islands  - maybe with some planters in them  - similar to the idea of the trees - besides being a visual barrier, the trees serve a physical one (a shrub will not do that, I get it.)

I have personally witnessed the "flag poles" - flexi poles - get pushed over during the daylight hours although I suspect the poles got taken out at night. Interestingly enough the one that sits atop the MacDonald Middle hill has never been hit.

As I know we are getting more of these islands on Hagadorn between Grand River and Burcham, I do hope they make them larger with planters in them - at least people might see them.

Ann

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[Rosanne Leland]

Sorry I won’t be able to attend the meeting tonight.

Rosanne

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On Jun 3, 2024, at 6:07 PM, Tim Potter <flyingdu...@gmail.com> wrote:



[artbe...@sbcglobal.net]

   The article has good points. The "reformed traffic engineer" is not a new subject.   I have a problem with the title.  The good-guys, such as Eric Dumbaugh, who are cited, are traffic engineers.   I am interested to hear more from team about the islands in M-43.  

                                     Art 

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