Locale switcher in Thunderbird

[Mihovil Stanić]

Hello all,

Bellow you can find yesterdays email on dev-l10n for Firefox.
Does Thunderbird plan to enable some kind of locale switch?

I'm asking because for Croatia, around 47% of users are using en-us locale, 44% is using hr and rest is using different languages.
A lot of those en-us users are using it because they don't know hr locale exist. What happens usually is IT guys have their OS language to en-us since everything in IT is connected to it and when they go to download, it offers en-us version to them.

Would be nice if Thunderbird installs automaticaly with en-us and hr language for croatian users and offers them choice of language for user interface.

Best regards,
Mihovil

-------- Proslijeđena poruka --------

Naslov:	Help us create a curated list of dictionaries for each shipping locale in Firefox
Datum:	Tue, 7 Aug 2018 09:07:29 +0200
Šalje:	Francesco Lodolo [:flod] <fl...@lodolo.net>
Prima:	Mozilla l10n Mailing List <dev-...@lists.mozilla.org>

Hi localizers,

As hinted in a previous message, we are currently working on improving 
the experience in Firefox for multilingual users. That includes, among 
other things:
1) Adding a language switcher in Preferences to switch to another 
language that is already available on the system (i.e. already installed 
as a language pack).
2) Adding UI to preferences to manage basic interaction with dictionaries.
3) Add the ability, on release, to install a new language directly from 
Preferences (it would download, install and enable a language pack from 
AMO).

As part of #3, we also want to install dictionaries for that language. 
For example: user chooses to install Italian on an English build, the 
system will download the language pack and also install the Italian 
dictionary.

In order to do that, we need a curated list of dictionaries that will be 
installed with each locale, and we need your help and feedback to make 
sure that list is meaningful and provides a good experience.

Here's the first version of this list: 
https://mozilla-l10n.github.io/firefox-dictionaries/
You can also see the complete list of dictionaries available on AMO: 
https://mozilla-l10n.github.io/firefox-dictionaries/complete.html

This list was created by:
* Picking one dictionary when language has more than one available, 
usually looking at the number of users on AMO. The complete list provide 
a list of such locales.
* Verifying that the dictionary can be installed.

Ideally, there should be only one dictionary per language, but there can 
be exceptions. For example, the current list would also install de-CH 
and de-AT for German.

Here's the *help we need from you*:
* Install the dictionary currently suggested for your language, and 
check that it provides a good experience. If that's not the case, we 
should remove it.
* Determine if you need more than one dictionary, and why that's the case.

You can provide feedback by replying in this email thread, or in the 
tracking bug
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1481375

Note that this list will keep receiving updates in the future, for 
example if a new dictionary become available, or if we start shipping a 
new locale.

Francesco
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[Richard Marti]

Hi Mihovil

I'm planning to port bug 1469684 to TB (point 1 below) but to test this I'd need other locales. Is somewhere a guidance how I could get multiple locales in TB?

Richard

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[Axel Grude]

Hi Richard,

I have started to work on porting the quick locale switcher to Thunderbird 60 - it's a bit flaky.

In order to add supported locales, you need to browse to:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/60.0/win32/xpi/

(replace version number & platform accordingly)

and then drag the locale into the Languages Pane on Add-ons Manager.

It would be cool if we could automate that process somehow (or at least open a content tab in the correct ftp folder) - I think writing an Add-on "Add Language" for this purpose should be relatively simple. One thing I find when I am testing different Thunderbird version is that I constantly need to reinstall compatible xpis, it would be nice if there was an "update / replace locale" command for existing entries.

Axel

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Subject:Re: Locale switcher in Thunderbird
From:Richard Marti <richar...@gmail.com>
To:Tb-planning
Sent: Wednesday, 08 August 2018, 11:54:21 11:54 GMT DT +0100 [Week 32]

Hi Mihovil

I'm planning to port bug 1469684 to TB (point 1 below) but to test this I'd need other locales. Is somewhere a guidance how I could get multiple locales in TB?

Richard

On 08.08.2018 12:19, Mihovil Stanić wrote:

Hello all,

Bellow you can find yesterdays email on dev-l10n for Firefox.
Does Thunderbird plan to enable some kind of locale switch?

I'm asking because for Croatia, around 47% of users are using en-us locale, 44% is using hr and rest is using different languages.
A lot of those en-us users are using it because they don't know hr locale exist. What happens usually is IT guys have their OS language to en-us since everything in IT is connected to it and when they go to download, it offers en-us version to them.

Would be nice if Thunderbird installs automaticaly with en-us and hr language for croatian users and offers them choice of language for user interface.

Best regards,
Mihovil

-------- Proslijeđena poruka --------

[Richard Marti]

Hi Axel

Many thanks. This helps. Now I can start to port the bug.

Richard

On 08.08.2018 13:24, Axel Grude wrote:

Hi Richard,

I have started to work on porting the quick locale switcher to Thunderbird 60 - it's a bit flaky.

In order to add supported locales, you need to browse to:

https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/60.0/win32/xpi/

(replace version number & platform accordingly)

and then drag the locale into the Languages Pane on Add-ons Manager.

It would be cool if we could automate that process somehow (or at least open a content tab in the correct ftp folder) - I think writing an Add-on "Add Language" for this purpose should be relatively simple. One thing I find when I am testing different Thunderbird version is that I constantly need to reinstall compatible xpis, it would be nice if there was an "update / replace locale" command for existing entries.

Axel

Subject:Re: Locale switcher in Thunderbird

[Eckard Berberich]

Hi,

I've been using for years (until TB 58) the excellent "Simple Locale
Switcher" add-on to change locales between French, German and English (US)
<https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/thunderbird/addon/simple-locale-switcher/>

<https://github.com/nohamelin/simple-locale-switcher/issues>

This add-on allowed to fetch and install language packs (it still does
in TB 60) and change the locale with one click and restart (which it no
longer does in TB 60).

The author of this add-on yesterday posted in the MozillaZine forum that
the update of his add-on would be completed during the next weeks but he
has very little time to work on it:

<http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=2746943>

Le 08/08/2018 à 13:24, Axel Grude a écrit :
> Hi Richard,
>
> I have started to work on porting the quick locale switcher to
> Thunderbird 60 - it's a bit flaky.
>
> In order to add supported locales, you need to browse to:
>
> https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/60.0/win32/xpi/
>
> (replace version number & platform accordingly)
>
> and then drag the locale into the Languages Pane on Add-ons Manager.
>
> It would be cool if we could automate that process somehow (or at least
> open a content tab in the correct ftp folder) - I think writing an
> Add-on "Add Language" for this purpose should be relatively simple. One
> thing I find when I am testing different Thunderbird version is that I
> constantly need to reinstall compatible xpis, it would be nice if there
> was an "update / replace locale" command for existing entries.
>
> Axel
>
>

> *Axel Grude <mailto:axel....@gmail.com>*

> Music Production and Composition
> Thunderbird Add-ons Developer (QuickFolders

> <https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/quickfolders-tabbed-folders/>,
> quickFilters
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/quickfilters/>,
> QuickPasswords
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/quickpasswords/>, Zombie Keys
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/zombie-keys/>,
> SmartTemplate4
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/smarttemplate4/>)
> Visit my YouTube Channel <https://www.youtube.com/c/thunderbirddaily>
> for email productivity tips Get Thunderbird!
>> *Subject:*Re: Locale switcher in Thunderbird
>> *From:*Richard Marti <richar...@gmail.com>
>> *To:*Tb-planning
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, 08 August 2018, 11:54:21 11:54 GMT DT +0100 [Week 32]

[Axel Grude]

Hmm, that's as compatible 52.0- 56.* did you patch it?

Axel

Axel Grude
Music Production and Composition

Thunderbird Add-ons Developer (QuickFolders, quickFilters, QuickPasswords, Zombie Keys, SmartTemplate4)
Visit my YouTube Channel for email productivity tips

Subject:Re: Locale switcher in Thunderbird

From:Eckard Berberich <e.ber...@free.fr>
To:Tb-planning
Sent: Wednesday, 08 August 2018, 12:52:29 12:52 GMT DT +0100 [Week 32]

[Eckard Berberich]

No, in the config editor of Thunderbird 60.0 I switched the value of
"extensions.strictCompatibility" from true to false before installing
this add-on.

Le 08/08/2018 à 19:14, Axel Grude a écrit :
> Hmm, that's as compatible 52.0- 56.* did you patch it?
>
> Axel
>

> *Axel Grude <mailto:axel....@gmail.com>*
> Music Production and Composition
> Thunderbird Add-ons Developer (QuickFolders
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/quickfolders-tabbed-folders/>,
> quickFilters
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/quickfilters/>,
> QuickPasswords
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/quickpasswords/>, Zombie Keys
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/zombie-keys/>,
> SmartTemplate4
> <https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/smarttemplate4/>)
> Visit my YouTube Channel <https://www.youtube.com/c/thunderbirddaily>
> for email productivity tips Get Thunderbird!
>> *Subject:*Re: Locale switcher in Thunderbird

>> *From:*Eckard Berberich <e.ber...@free.fr>
>> *To:*Tb-planning
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, 08 August 2018, 12:52:29 12:52 GMT DT +0100 [Week 32]

[Óvári]

Hello Mihovil,

It would be nice if the ATN (Add-ons @ Thunderbird.net) would also have a Croatian locale, i.e. https://addons.thunderbird.net/hr/thunderbird/

For example, an add-on which has been translated into Croatian is CardBook; however the add-on page:

https://addons.thunderbird.net/hr/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

doesn't exist and redirects.

Once the 'hr' locale is available add-ons page could also be translated into Croatian, like these languages:

https://addons.thunderbird.net/cs/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/da/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/de/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/de/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/es/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/hu/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/id/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/it/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/ja/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/ko/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/nl/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/pl/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/pt-PT/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/ro/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/ru/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/sl/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/sv-SE/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/uk/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

https://addons.thunderbird.net/vi/thunderbird/addon/cardbook/

This could also help more Croatian's benefit from Thunderbird.

What do you think?

Thank you

Óvári

[Mihovil Stanić]

Hello,

Where is that translated?
I don't see Thunderbird addons in Ponton.

If it's not too much work I can find time for it.

Best regards,
Mihovil

[Óvári]

On 09/08/18 15:18, Mihovil Stanić wrote:

Hello,

Where is that translated?
I don't see Thunderbird addons in Ponton.

Does Ponton support Croatian Thunderbird add-on translations?
https://addons.thunderbird.net/hr/thunderbird/ always seems to redirect to another language.

Added an issue at:
https://github.com/thundernest/addons-server/issues/18

[Richard Marti]

On 08.08.2018 12:54, Richard Marti wrote:

> I'm planning to port bug 1469684 to TB (point 1 below) but to test
> this I'd need other locales. Is somewhere a guidance how I could get
> multiple locales in TB?

This landed today. There is a problem with packaging the FTL files into
the XPIs but it's still usable (empty fields or labeled with
"undefined"). If there is someone who knows how to fix the packaging, go
to bug 1482060.

Richard

[Pascal Chevrel]

Le 09/08/2018 à 17:46, Richard Marti a écrit :> On 08.08.2018 12:54,

Richard Marti wrote:
>
>> I'm planning to port bug 1469684 to TB (point 1 below) but to test
>> this I'd need other locales. Is somewhere a guidance how I could get
>> multiple locales in TB?
>
> This landed today. There is a problem with packaging the FTL files into
> the XPIs but it's still usable (empty fields or labeled with
> "undefined"). If there is someone who knows how to fix the packaging, go
> to bug 1482060.
>
> Richard
>

Hi,

Could it be related to
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1479377 ?

Regards

Pascal

[Richard Marti]

On 09.08.2018 18:30, Pascal Chevrel wrote:
> Could it be related to
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1479377 ?

This fixes the symptom of the empty strings but not the packaging. But
thanks for the bug. I'll implement it too.

Richard