Multiclass Feats question

[Tavecosh]

Dirk,

I believe I know the answer, but dislike the vagueness of the book.

per page 208 in the Players Handbook, the class you Multiclass into
also grants you access to that classes Class Features (...a warlock
who takes Sneak of Shadows can use the rogues Sneak Attack class
feature, which means that he meets the prerequisite for the
Backstabber feat.) So, if I am understanding that correctly, I also
need to have the player make choices from the class features that
require choices (i.e. fighting style for rangers), and need to double
check my math throughout the Feats section where the prerequisites
list a specific class feature, and need to have the class feature
powers appear in the power cards - ARG!

So, why bother listing class features (that arent a choice of one or
the other), and the class as a prerequisite when they are redundant,
and the multiclass also is as good as the class for meeting the
prerequisite... Man the vague rules are going to kill me! ((please
send advil.... lots of advil!))

[D Duble]

Here is how I read it:

Potent Challenge requires Fighter with Combat Challenge class feature. Since no Multiclass Feat grants you the Combat Challenge class feature, you can only take this feat if your primary class is fighter. I think this is intended to lock this down to that primary class only without having to put in the pre-reqs Fighter (Primary class only) which would make the rules look too kludgy. Putting in the redundant requirement gives a reason why it is locked to primary class. I hope that makes sense.

Of course, future Multiclass feats, like we have seen in Martial Powers, could introduce Multiclass builds that will allow for some of the previously non-granted class features. Like the new Rogue Multiclass feat "First In" grants the character the First Strike class feature. So it is gonna get sticky having to reasses previous calculations based on assumed redundant dependencies or assumed dependencies ruled out.

[Keith]

You are right. After reading the Sneak of Shadows feat again, I see that specific class feature is granted. Ugh! still makes me doubt my current math.. Double checking it wouldn't hurt. :)

Thanks for helping me clear my head. LOL 

Sent from my iPhone

[D Duble]

About that.

I have read more. It seems a class feature is only granted fully if it says you are granted the "class feature"  In sneak of Shadows it says you can use the sneak attack feature once per encounter. This is NOT the same as being granted the Sneak Attack class feature because if you were granted the sneak attack feature you would be able to use it once a round not once an encounter.

This is different from the martial Powers feat: First In where it clearly states: You gain the rogue's First Strike class feature.

So.... from what I see here, You are not considered to have the Sneak Attack Class Feature if you take sneak of shadows, but you do have the First Strike class feature if you have the First In multiclass feat.

[D Duble]

Argh this is killin' me. My last email is wrong, I reread this again:

for example,

a warlock who takes Sneak of Shadows can use the

rogue's Sneak Attack class feature, which means that

he meets the prerequisite for the Backstabber feat.

There's the right answer, if it mentions the feature in the benefits, even if it is limited in use, it still qualifies you for the purposes of qualifying for feats.