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I don't think a skill advantage for either of them can be made. They're both pretty damn good. But Hit-Girl has shown a weakness in both movies to being overcome by physically superior fighters and Ollie mostly definitely is.
@allstarsuperman: It's not like she dodged bullets/ranged attacks from somebody on Oliver's level. Dodging the aim of John Q Thug and Oliver Queen is worlds apart. Oliver can put Kickass down without effort and Hitgirl with minimal.
@risingbean: @fallschirmjager: Im not talking aim dodging im saying she 2 times has bullet level reaction time. dodges them after there fired at her face. accuracy is not the question. because bullets move faster then arrows. and I don't recalled arrow actually being a bullet timer, except todays episode were he shoots the grenade.
Arrow can solo, Harper has also shown some fair Hand to Hand feats, but Kick-Ass is better than Roy. Ollie however could effortlessly arrow Kick-Ass in less than a second (not killing him, but stopping him from fighting) and take out Hit-Girl with minimal effort.
also the location is accessible, means that hit-girl could kill the lights and go all flashlight gun on Arrow, or that arrow or hitgirl could go to the kitchen knives area and stock up on throwing weapons. theres a bunch of variables.
@allstarsuperman Doesn't ruin the movie but I almost think they are flukes, meant to be "awesome visuals" rather then power levels. Come to think of it Bullseyes own snatching of glass comes to mind in Daredevil.
As it is, Unless she is shown to consistently do stuff like that, I still think Ollie would come out ahead. He has a few "post" human feats as well if we're playing it as more then the stars aligning.
@risingbean: im not quite sure what you mean about bulleye? Hit-Girl was shown to bullet time at least twice. does that mean she could dodge a punch or kick from arrow? NO it does not, but could she dodge the arrow itself, yes she could. This fight is really even IMO, I just am making these points so people don't autojump onto the ArrowSoloStomps bandwagon.
@fallschirmjager: Arrow is stronger, theres no argument, but Hit-Girl takes kicks, punches, and gets thrown around, by Mother Russia. Mother Russia was superhuman, no doubt, she was able to toss a propane tank through a windshield, stop a rocking car with her foot, and rip a car door off with her bare hands. So this proves to show that Hit-Girl is very very durable.
If it does come down to H2H, Arrow does have a skill advantage, but again this is season 2 and he isn't as brutal, not gonna pound her face in. Hit-Girl is just as brutal as ever, and will be willing to bite him or stab him with anything she can get her hands on.
@allstarsuperman: If Oliver has a skills advantage, and is obviously physically stronger, and is very obviously going to win a ranged battle, do you think her resolve to take a few more blows is going to change the outcome of the majority of fights? Without the X factor that keeps this from being a sweep, how does this end? A few arrows in the legs? And even if she can "bullet dodge" that doesn't mean she'll do it every time. Not that it matters, because Ollie can pretty much throw arrows into her. If it goes to H2H he should take it handily.
A small majority of posters may feel this fight is a decent one, I really don't. Sure you can pull out the "Hit Girl is superhuman" argument, but that is the one chance to keep this from being a stomp.
@risingbean: as I said this is very even like 50/50 even. Hit-girl is faster, more durable, and more ruthless, while Ollie has strength and skill on his side. H2H ollie takes a majority, but there's always the off chance that kick-ass bashes him in the head after beating Roy. Keep in mind Hit girl has throwing stars and knives as well.
@allstarsuperman: I think shooting people is pretty ruthless. As for more durable? I don't think she is any more durable then any other eleven year old. She may have shown a higher pain factor and that is debatable. Ollie was sliced up and tortured and didn't give up his secrets. He stabbed himself with an arrow through his chest to get at Merlyn and didn't go down. so on and forth.
I don't think Roy who in his limited fights used parkour to beat 2-3 thugs up at a time is going to fall to Kickass. He may not decisively win, but that just means when Ollie wins his majority, he goes and manhandles Kickass.
@risingbean: Hit-Girl takes kicks, punches, and gets thrown around, by Mother Russia. Mother Russia was superhuman, no doubt, she was able to toss a propane tank through a windshield, stop a rocking car with her foot, and rip a car door off with her bare hands. So this proves to show that Hit-Girl is very very durable.
@allstarsuperman: Yet this guy beats her. He has her at his mercy, laid out, crying and her vision going blurry. If you want to show her best, don't forget her worst. If we look at her feats with an average, and consider both peak high showings and low showings as flukes, Arrow has shown to beat a higher class of foe and to be a tougher person on the whole. He is a better fighter and has an advantage in ranged attacks and trick arrows. so if he has every advantage short of plot, or fluke, how is she winning?
She may get a few. A majority? She's out of her league. Also if you want to pull durability feats, show me some of her piercing or slashing damage. When she gets shot, shrugs it off and beats the brakes off of a character in Oliver's skill ballpark, we'll talk.
And Roy has had little time to shine. I know he did handily beat up a few thugs. While I won't say he can beat Kick Ass he doesn't have to a majority of the time. Kick Ass is a non factor to Ollie who can take him out at leisure.
@risingbean: I knew it, I knew it, somebody had to pull the she got beat by Frank D'Amico card. Well guess what, That could have been anywhere from 2 to 4 years ago. And we don't know for sure how good he was, I mean he did have a fully build Dojo right next to is office, so obviously he takes martial arts seriously. And at the time of there fight, Hit-Girl had been shot twice, already killed like 30 people that night, her dad just died, and was obviously worn out by the hallway seen.
@allstarsuperman: In your defense, Ollie did suck when he got to the island. Also I have to pull the Frank D'Amico card. It was like her main fight of the movie. I agree he takes martial arts seriously, but I wouldn't put him up against Ollie, or Slade or Merlyn and expect the masses here to say he wins.
The point I made with the clip was though somehow she can take kicks from MR, and got knocked back by an impact wave (more hollywood cool then anything else. ) she also got her ass handed to her by this guy. So it downplays her from superfast Flash with Wolverine Durability Goddess to somebody that can lose to a guy who 1. Went through puberty, 2. spent years in a life or death struggle and 3 has shown to be a pinnacle of street level.
@risingbean: yeah Frank D'Amico is no Slade, but I just don't want to hear that "just a random thug". And approximately Hit-Girl and Frank fought 3 years ago, Kick-Ass says in Kick-Ass 2 that Hit-Girl was training everyday. that's a lot of training in 3 years, not to mention she got bigger and taller. But yeah, this is a hard fought fight and I find it IMO, to be dead even.
@allstarsuperman: Fine fine, to you it's dead even. I'll give you Frank is a cut above the fodder in that movie and she does have a bit of training past that. But the stuff I bring up should still apply. Durability doesn't go up as you get old.
Also, no way in hell did she have the durability of an 11 year old in the first movie. An 11 year old girl would not be getting up from a full grown adult hitting them as hard as they can in the head. Period. In the second movie she has two good durability feats, that kick from Mother Russia looks like it throws her as far as a car traveling at like 15-20 mile an hour would, a normal human would be hurt.
@silent_bomber: In Kick-Ass shes 11 (but at the end shes going into 9th grade? that makes no sense), In Kick-Ass 2 shes 15 (and shes just starting 9th grade), That leads us to believe it's been 4 years, but News channel Lady said the its only been 2 years sense Kick-Ass' first appearance, so the timeline is very screwed up.
You guys just have to understand that even though she can dodge bullets(which was HUGE CIS because there is no way you can dodge a bullets thats 2 feet to your face whiel movign that slow which indicates that bullet was moving slow) it doesn't mean she can dodge multiple bullets coming her way.
Instead, we saw Oliver fall. Oliver failed to accomplish all ofhis goals in Season 4, much like Season 1. Yes, The Green Arrow saved the cityfrom Damien Darhk, while The Vigilante failed to stop the Undertaking completely.But Oliver Queen the man? He screwed up big time and it cost him nearlyeverything.
First,her mini freak out in 4x06. Essentially, Felicity figured out that she had lostherself in Oliver. She was far too dependent on Oliver, lost in her love &need for him, which opened the possibility that Oliver could hurt her. He couldabandon her. So, Felicity pushed Oliver away.
In the sea of loss and pain, Team Arrow remains because Oliverand Felicity remained. Their partnership is a team within a team and it will bethe building blocks from which this family of choice begins again. They are thethread strong enough to hold and begin anew. Eventually, Oliver and Felicitywill lead Diggle and Thea home. That thread will also lead Oliver and Felicityhome to another as well.
It also slowed the season to a painful pace. Post 3x08 theepisodes were drawn out the longer Oliver kept this secret from Felicity. Itcreated a gargantuan lag and tainted my near perfect wedding proposal!
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