Official v1.2 Teaser Thread

[Pent]

More to follow (snicker)

Pent

[sayling]

Oooh, tease indeed!

On Oct 5, 12:12 pm, Pent <supp...@apps.dinglisch.net> wrote:
> More to follow (snicker)
>
> Pent

[Kage_]

Pent, now I'm gonna have to really start reading the automated emails
again from this group. :)

[TW]

nice one Pent! :)

[brandall]

I really hope it's something that will make girls think I'm cool....

[Adric Norris]

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 13:52, brandall <benran...@gmail.com> wrote:

I really hope it's something that will make girls think I'm cool....

There's a limit to what code can do! :P

[UncleMike]

I have a sneaking suspicion we'll be seeing some new dialogs. :)

[TW]

perhaps Pent will post a screenshot later on which we can Zoom in :)

[baudi]

What's the penalty for disobeying the dev?

> Sure would be nice if Tasker had swipe contexts like this:http://gizmodo.com/5847469/swipepad-for-android-a-better-way-to-switc... 

You can get very close with 1.2 (but don't tell the Official Teaser Thread I said that). 

Pent

[Pent]

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/tease1.png

Pent

[baudi]

I can't tell whether that's the answer to my question (penalty for disobedience = no service) or an example of the kind of thing we'll be able to do in 1.2 (zoom-like control of the full screen).

A tease indeed...

[Pent]

'Work In Progress'

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/tease2.png

Pent

[TW]

looks very interesting, meaning I can't put the pieces together yet :)

[Tye]

Pong? Cool.

[Sameera]

Is this the zoom-as-a-GUI-builder-for-tasker feature? :)

[Tye]

...awkward silence...

[Pent]

> ...awkward silence...

There's always an awkward silence in-between the ping and the pong
(and the pong and the ping).

Pent

[Pent]

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/tease3.png

Pent

[thsandman]

yesss Zoom is awesome

[TW]

sweeeet...

[Pent]

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/tease4.png

Pent

[Oon-Ee Ng]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Pent <sup...@apps.dinglisch.net> wrote:
> http://tasker.dinglisch.net/tease4.png
>
> Pent
>

SWIPPPPEEEE!!!!

You know, if it works well we could probably replicate Palm OS's
"graffiti" system in tasker as an importable profile =p

[Pent]

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/tease5.png

OK, we turned into a preview thread. That's not so bad :-)

Pent

[BossMan]

Mmm.. this one is really nice :)

BR,
A.

[TW]

ohhhhh, me like! :)

[Oon-Ee Ng]

Real time-saver, that.

[Pent]

Why didn't anyone tell me that dragging on the task edit screen with
more than 7 or 8 actions was like moving through mud ?

Anyway, found the problem there, now it's like sliding on ice (and the
loading is lightning too).

Pent

[Brian]

Wonderful -- now I REALLY can't wait for the next release!!

[TW]

well you already improved it a lot in previous updates and the mud kinda grew on me :)

although ice and lightning sound fine to me :)

[Pent]

> Wonderful -- now I REALLY can't wait for the next release!!

At last, expectation has reached a high enough level that I can go on
vacation for 2 weeks :-)

Pent

[V Oz]

He taunts.

[TW]

lol! :)

[Matthieu Berthomé]

I guess we got used to it, But ice sounds better than mud, for sure

[Pent]

Brandon, sorry to come over all authoritarian, but if you have a
problem with something, make a thread so we can discuss it, instead of
dumping it on any thread that has a vaguely relevant post.

Pent

[TW]

I think the biggest teaser here is seeing all the possibilities with the upcoming features and at the same time crossing the 260KB limit :-/

[Electrofreak]

Now you're just being cruel!

[Pent]

> Now you're just being cruel!

For all clarity, I was only joking.

Progress has been slower with the kids off school but it's coming
together now.

Local variables combine nicely with events attached to scene elements
to make it easy for elements to change each other e.g. say you want a
text entry box and a slider to control the text size:

Add edit text element to scene. Add slider. Click slider 'Value Set'
event tab, add action 'Element Text Size'. Next to the Size parameter,
click the Variable icon, select %newval. Done!

Just an example to show how you can quickly build simple little
control applications.

Pent

[Peter R]

Cool! My gears are turning!

[Pent]

Scene shown as dialog. Map markers and text very configurable. Unlike
Zoom, text elements have their own attached background to save messing
with shapes behind them.

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/tease6.png

Pent

[Brivs Mekis]

so is Zoom being made redundant by this new update?
Will existing Zoom widgets etc still work? All of my home screens and
lock screen are Zoom widgets ...

[Pent]

> so is Zoom being made redundant by this new update?

No, scenes can't be used for widgets due to the special requirements
of widgets. At some point in the distant future it may become possible
as Google enhance the widget APIs.

> Will existing Zoom widgets etc still work?

Yes.

Pent

[TW]

DAMN! this looks nice!! :)

[Paul [sabret00the]]

It's looking really good. But I'd really like to see a UI overhaul. Tasker looks kinda tack on.

[Pent]

> It's looking really good. But I'd really like to see a UI overhaul. Tasker
> looks kinda tack on.

I've been having this argument since the first beta. You wouldn't even
have installed the thing if it looked fantastic but didn't do much,
which tells me where my time is best spent.

Pent

[TW]

embrace the UI, resistance is futile :)

Pent, I'm kinda curious in what sort of timeframe you plan on releasing the first beta.

Really looking forward to it (no seriously, really really..) :)

I'm not really asking an ETA just if it's months or weeks away..

I understand if you don't want to share it as it has caused many developers headaches :)

[Oon-Ee Ng]

I for one think the UI isn't too bad for what the application does, android is bad for programming-like applications which would in desktop applications involve lots of typing and big screens.

[Pent]

> Pent, I'm kinda curious in what sort of timeframe you plan on releasing the
> first beta.

I don't have a plan except 'ASAP'. I have to be in a state to fix ICS
problems as they come up, there's an every-launch 1.6 crash bug with
1.1.1u2, and I want it available for Christmas too.

On the other hand I want to make a good impression with the new
features.

I hope to release the first beta in 2-3 weeks.

Pent

[Paul [sabret00the]]

I not only installed it, I also paid for it. I'm a huge fan of Tasker. That said, I started working on some mockups. I'll post em when I get back to my main computer tomorrow. It's not that I dislike Tasker, I just feel Tasker can be better and with some of the ideas I've implemented in the UI. The user experience can be greatly improved in terms of efficiency and ease of use which is win-win for everyone. Especially Tasker as it's appeal to a wider audience grows.

[V Oz]

Pleeease, don't forget about this in new version.

[TW]

thanks a lot for the info, it's appreciated!

seems like you have a lot of factors to consider :)

[Paul [sabret00the]]

Here is what I had in mind:

[Oon-Ee Ng]

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Paul [sabret00the]
<p.sabr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is what I had in mind:
>
>

Doesn't this use much more screen space relative to the current
design? I thought UI complaints were more related to the amount of
clicks required to accomplish any particular goal rather than actual
appearance color/placement wise.

The design you posted would probably look/work great on my SGS2 but on
a galaxy mini (for example) you'd probably only be able to see two
profiles at a time.

[Kevin Taylor]

Sorry Paul, but this scheme is for me a big step down.

I dislike the black background.
The text tab labels are hard to read - icons are much easier to distinguish.
The icons next to each profile are too small, but the icons and red/green arrows in the profile drop-down panels are too large.
The fuzzy icons at the bottom are hard to make out.
Where are the exit-cancel and exit-save options?

Pent, you have much more useful things to do!

Kevin

[Pent]

> Here is what I had in mind:

I like the header/footer but I agree with the comments that the
profile icons are too small and the header takes up too much space.

In addition, there are no context tabs in the next version and
'project selection' needs to be fit in there somewhere too.

When the new beta is out, I'd love to hear your comments on the best
way to integrate projects into the UI, I've done them as horizontally-
scrolling tabs currently, but I'm not really happy with them.

Pent

[TomL]

I appreciate the mock-up, it helps to show what you have in mind.

I'm not too keen on the Android icon "in profile".  It looks like the android is taking a leak.  :(

Tom

[Paul [sabret00the]]

Well with Tasker, you do get to change the text size. But I do appreciate the feedback.

[Paul [sabret00the]]

Thanks for the feedback. I did actually forget those buttons, but for me, and in all the time I've used this app. I never knew exactly what they done.

[Paul [sabret00the]]

Thanks for taking the time to check it out, I appreciate it. I'm always happy to provide any assistance I can, so will keep an eager eye out.

[Paul [sabret00the]]

Haha, that actually made me laugh. Thanks for that. :o)

[Kevin Taylor]

> I never knew exactly what they done.

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/userguide/en/activity_profilelist.html

under "Bottom Controls"

Kevin

[Matt]

Hi Pent,

Could I make a (fairly selfish) request for the new version? If you
have time could you look into having mark SMS as read / Delete SMS
actions? I'm thinking of an sms popup Scene and these would make it
REALLY cool!

Cheers :)

[Pent]

Sorry, too busy already getting the basics in.

Pent

[TW]

.. the basics which already look totally awesome!! :)

[Matt]

No problem, I'll have a look at SL4A as suggested, just thought I'd
ask :)

[Eric Walters]

Are we going to see >2 state contexts? :) :) :) That's the only thing
on my wishlist this year, Santa. Well, that and a proper interface for
managing Tasks. :) :) :)

On Oct 5, 8:12 am, Pent <supp...@apps.dinglisch.net> wrote:
> More to follow (snicker)
>
> Pent

[Pent]

> Are we going to see >2 state contexts? :) :) :)  That's the only thing
> on my wishlist this year, Santa. Well, that and a proper interface for
> managing Tasks. :) :) :)

Let them eat buttons!

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/buttons1.png
http://tasker.dinglisch.net/buttons2.png

Pent

[TW]

is that a teddybear I see? :)

[strictlyrude27]

so, I'm hoping new Tasker features let me do stuff like roll my own SMS Popup notifications and such?

[Pent]

> so, I'm hoping new Tasker features let me do stuff like roll my own SMS
> Popup notifications and such?

Wouldn't be much of a teaser thread if I just told you :-)

Pent

[Pent]

Menus:

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/tease11.png
http://tasker.dinglisch.net/tease12.png

Pent

[Kev Liu]

Hey pent is there an ETA for 1.2? I know ppl have lives and stuff but
I need a fix in 1.2. Thanks

[V Oz]

Hmmm ... it seems that in fact we'll get quite different Tasker with 1.2 release. I'd spent so much time to become familiar with 1.1.1 and should prepare for  next step of studies. Hope manual will be as good as teasers? ;)

[Pent]

> Hey pent is there an ETA for 1.2? I know ppl have lives and stuff but
> I need a fix in 1.2. Thanks

Few weeks.

Pent

[Pawci0]

How about some beta release Pent?

[TW]

few weeks is at least 2...

you can use the Do Maths option in Variable Set to perform 7*2

good luck..

[Pent]

> How about some beta release Pent?

I can't wait :-)

Feels like I've been working on this version endlessly.

Pent

[Pawci0]

> few weeks is at least 2...
> you can use the Do Maths option in Variable Set to perform 7*2
> good luck..

Few weeks for the final 1.2. I asked for a beta version, which
acording to this: http://groups.google.com/group/tasker/msg/9598bf40cf920a3b
should be any time now... Good luck to you too!

@Pent: can't wait, as we all ;-)

[Pent]

>  Few weeks for the final 1.2. I asked for a beta version, which
> acording to this:http://groups.google.com/group/tasker/msg/9598bf40cf920a3b
> should be any time now... Good luck to you too!

Hmm, yes, that was before I decided to convert some existing UI stuff
(menus, lock, popups etc) to use scenes for the first beta, so better
add a week.

Pent

[TW]

yay more goodies to play with :)

it seems like this will be one UI customisable beta!

thanks for the update.

[Pent]

Weekly update in case you thought I was just lazing around!

Nearly finished converting stuff like Popup, Variable Query etc to use
scenes. It's cool that you can see how the dialog will look in-line in
the action edit screen. Here's the replacement for Popup Task Icons/
Buttons:

http://tasker.dinglisch.net/tease20.png

For this kind of action, you can either use the builtin layout or
build your own from scratch and use it whenever you want. I originally
had each action having it's own layout, but figured people would not
want to recreate their personal theme for every action (and the
datafile size would've gotten huge).

Next step: finishing loose ends
Final step: docs, tips etc

Updated ETA: still 2 weeks, sorry.

Pent

[TW]

thanks for the update and for updating the ETA

waiting is a bit easier when you have an idea of time :)

[Tye]

I'm already looking forward to recreating Shush functionality and building a popup music controller with this.

[Pent]

> I'm already looking forward to recreating Shush functionality and building
> a popup music controller with this.

The nice thing is we permanent overlays now. You can have a few
buttons sitting in the corner all the time (or hide them for certain
apps, when you get a call, show them for a few seconds when the track
changes etc etc.)

Pent

[Tye]

So... In theory, could I disable my lockscreen and have a scene pop up for a "screen on/power on" event? 

And I could use a gesture on said scene to turn off the overlay thereby "unlocking" my phone?

And I could rewrite my custom lockscreen (which currently uses Zoom/WidgetLocker) to show the same info on said scene?

And then I could stop using WidgetLocker and Zoom to save lots of resources?

Could I?

[Pent]

> So... In theory, could I disable my lockscreen and have a scene pop up for
> a "screen on/power on" event?

Yes... But... Lock is much more secure than the previous incarnation
but still is open to the 'warm-boot' workaround: most devices have a
hardware key combination that lets you startup without apps being
notified (in which case the lock wouldn't appear after the reboot).

> And I could use a gesture on said scene to turn off the overlay thereby
> "unlocking" my phone?

Yes.

> And I could rewrite my custom lockscreen (which currently uses
> Zoom/WidgetLocker) to show the same info on said scene?

Yes, in fact you can design your own lockscreen with lots of different
controls, with the security caveat above.

Pent

[Matt]

Hi Pent, quick question about the pop up theme, on the time out will
you be able to set the timeout to never?

Cheers

Matt

[Pent]

> Hi Pent, quick question about the pop up theme, on the time out will
> you be able to set the timeout to never?

You mean the popup buttons for example in the screenshot ?

I'm not sure yet, it depends on the mechanics of the wakelocks and
keyguard unlock.

Pent

[Pent]

> I'm not sure yet, it depends on the mechanics of the wakelocks and
> keyguard unlock.

I looked at this today. I implemented it so you can specify 1-200,
Never with the slider.

When the device is off and a popup should show, the screen comes on
for around 40 seconds with the keyguard temporarily disabled, then the
screen goes off. But if the timeout is longer than 40, the popup is
still there when you turn the screen on again.

That doesn't apply to Lock (it's not a popup now, it's an overlay).

Pent

[Ján Tokár]

Hello. I'm not sure where to ask.
Will you add also suport for Live Walpapers? I saw this on todo list
and I'd really like to see this in next version.
Thanks for reply

[Pent]

> Will you add also suport for Live Walpapers? I saw this on todo list
> and I'd really like to see this in next version.

Certainly not next version. I'm not even sure if it's possible with
Android. There's definitely no 'official' way.

Pent

[TW]

oh, does my eye deceave me or is this topic unpinned?...

could this mean something exciting is about to happen or is it an extra tease from our lovely dev ;)

[Pent]

> oh, does my eye deceave me or is this topic unpinned?...

Eyes like a hawk TW :-)

Pent

[Lucas Figueiró]

What I do is this:

Component Intent >
Class: com.android.wallpaper.livepicker.LiveWallpaperListActivity
Package: com.android.wallpaper.livepicker
Cat: None
Target: Activity

This does not change the wallpaper but opens the list of them so you
can choose.