'Oku lolotonga katoanga'i he 'aho ni e mali 'i hotau kainga lotu Metotisi Tonga 'i Salt Lake ni. Ko e kau groomsmen moe kau bridesmaids 'oku tautau toko hongofulu tupu e ongo faha'ii. Hili e ouau e sakalameniti e fakapapau e ongo me'a malii he metotisi 'o e tangata mali, 'oku fai mai e katoanga kai mo e ma'alali ki he hall e metotisi 'oku ou kau ki aii, pea 'e fai leva e 'uluaki sapate mo e toe kaipola 'a pongipongi ki he Metotisi 'oku siasi ai e fefine malii. Faka'ofo'ofa pea masani e teungaa e kau to'ovalaa, pea ko e kaipolaa 'oku too atu. Ko e mali lahi moe mali katoanga 'eni.
Ko e me'a 'oku fo'ou, ko e katoanga'i e mali 'i 'Epeleli ni, fai mo e katoanga uluaki Sapate, ka 'oku taumahina e fefine malii fakatatau ki Sune fakatatau ki he telelouniu e CNN. 'Oku fo'ou hono katoanga'i kaipola Tokonaki, kaifakafaafe Sapate.
Molekemama'o ke fai ha fakaFalesi pe siolalo ki he ongome'a malii. Ka 'oku fai e manatu ki he taha e ngaahi article 'a e taha 'o e kau speech writer kia Reagan ko Peggy Noonan fekau'aki mo 'ene 'alu ki he graduation e taha o e ngaahi univesiti i Amelika ni. Ko e taha e kau graduate ko e fefine single mom ne feitama pea fa'ele i he'ene ta'ufaka'osi. Ne fai hono viki'i e lava me'a, lototo'a, mo e kitaki si'i fa'ee ni. Kae lolotonga e tuee moe pasi e fu'u kakai he lava me'a e fefine ni, ne pehee Noonan 'oku ne fanongo atu ki he lo'imata 'o e culture 'oku lilingi koe'uhii kuo tali(approve) pee 'e he sosaietii e fe'auakii mo fa'ele tu'utaamakii ke hoko angamaheni pea normal ia e anga e nofoo.
Neu 'i he mali hoku 'ofefine(tama 'a hoku ta'okete) 'i Aositelelia ne hoko e me'a tatau ki ai 'o hangee ko e faingata'a e ongo me'a mali e 'aho nii. Ka ko e kehee, ne fai pee mali he loki 'i honau 'apisiasii(Siasi Mamonga), pea fai e kaifakataha e ongo familii he 'api e husepanitii he 'aho tokonaki pea na matuku. Ne 'ikai fai ha katoanga 'o hangee ko e 'aho nii, he 'oku tui e Mamonga 'oku 'ikai taau e katoanga'i ko e 'ikai tauhi 'e he ongo me'a mali hona vaa mo e 'Otua mo e culture (fakasiasi & fakafonua) 'oku na kau ki aii.
Ko e mo'oni 'oku kehe katoanga mali ko 'eni ki he telinga 'o e Tongaa koe'uhii 'oku kehe hono fotungaa mei he angamahenii. Ko e haa 'ene influence he to'utupu e ngaahi siasi metotisii mo honau kaha'uu?? Me'a nii 'e faka'ai'ai eni ke pehee 'e he to'utupu its ok to "sleep together" outside marriage??Mahalo na'a mo'oni 'a Noonan, lolotonga e kaipola e 'aho nii, mo e fakafiefia e ongo familii mo e siasii, 'oku 'utu'utufii pee a culture 'i tafa'aki. Pea hangehangee 'oku tali lelei pee 'ehe siasii 'a e 'aunga mo mate 'a e culture.
Ne sai pee foha maumau koloaa he na'e 'alu ki he 'apuaka he fonua mama'o. Ne mei feefee kapau na'e ha'u pee ia 'o vili ke langa 'apuaka mo nofo 'apuaka he 'api 'o 'ene 'eikii? Me'a nii 'e kei fai katoanga ai pee 'a 'ene 'eikii? It's bad enough for us to disobey our God; it's worse when we try to justify it.
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On Sat, 17/4/10, Sisitoutai Taufa <papaif...@gmail.com> wrote:Ko e fehuí é taha Seni, Óku í fe á e Siasi he case ko eni? Ka ke faifekau ko hoó taumuá foki ia,ka í ai ha case pehe te ke fetaulaki mo ia te ke fakaáiái pe?,ko e ha hoó faleí fakapotopoto taha te ke fai? fefe fuú koloa ó e mali ? Te nau oo kinautolu ó siasi kehe? kapau te ke fakafisi ke fai e mali. mo e ófa atu ki he teu ó e Sapate mo e week end. Sisi T.
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Malo Sisi,
Mole ke mama'o ha'aku fakahalaki e faifekau 'oku ne fai e mali ni he 'oku ou tui 'oku ne fai pee hono fatongia. Ko e katoanga'i moe uluaki Sapatee ko e me'a faiteliha pee ia 'a e ongo me'a malii mo hona ongo familii. Pea mahalo 'e fu'u too kitu'a ka kakapa atu 'o ta'ofi e uluaki Sapate e ongo me'a malii. Kaikehe, Kapau na'a ko e faifekauu au mahalo pee teu feinga kimu'a keu fai e mali ni ke fai ha ki'i premarital counselling moe ongo me'a malii mo 'ena ongo matu'aa.
Teu poupou kakato ki he katoanga he 'aho Tokonakii...fai e ouau kotoa 'oku nau fiefai. Ka a'u e kau groomsmen mo bridesmaids ki he tolungofulu go for it... Ka teu fakalotosi'i e hano katoanga'i e uluaki Sapatee 'o tatau tofu pee mo ha ongo me'a ne na tauhi e fefaka'apa'apa'akii 'aki pee e 'uhinga ko 'eni:
1) Teu koleange ki he ongo matu'a mo e ongo me'a malii 'oku fakaSisu Kalaisi pea 'e langilangi'ia e 'Otua ke mau tulituli ki he lelei fakalukufua (common good). ... Ke mau tauhi pee mu'a e faka'ei'eiki e uhinga moe taumu'a e uluaki Sapatee ke fakalotolahi'i ke kakapa ki ai e toenga e fanau e Siasii. Pea ko hono 'uhingaa, ke 'alu fakataha 'emau katonga mo 'emau tangiii. We need to celebrate that they finally commit to tie the knot. We also need to mourn (by preventing the katoanga uluaki Sapate) for their failure to honor their relationship before marriage. Kapau 'e humble enough mo truly repent e ongo me'a mali ki he'ena fehalaakii fakataha pea mo e ongo familii, te na tali lelei e fale'ii.
Me'a nii 'oku glorify e 'Eikii he mali ni pee ko e ongo me'a malii pee mo 'ena familii? 'Oku ou mahamahalo 'e 'utu'utufi e culture, kae tutulu pee 'Eikii 'i tafa'aki
Ko e kuonga eni kuo redefine malii pea mo e taumu'a e katoanga'i 'o ha mali.
Ko e kuonga eni e masiva 'i he maa--loss of shame. Ka mole 'a e maa (sense of shame) mei ha mo'ui, sosaieti pe culture ko e faka'ilonga e mo'ui mo e culture 'oku 'au'aunga maamaalie. Ko e me'alelei pee ke tau maa he me'a 'oku totonu ke fai ai e maa.
Ko e kuonga eni e kata he me'a 'oku 'ikai totonu ke fai e kataa. What we laugh (or cry) about reveals who we are. We better watch out of what we celebrate.
Kuo ikai ke church transforming culture ka kuo church drowning in culture!!! |
-- 'Oku tufa atu e email ni koe'uhi 'oku kau ho tu'asila he memipa 'i he "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope" Ko e tu'asila ke 'ave ki ai ha'o email ki he Tasilisili ko e tasil...@googlegroups.com Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki he tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com Pea ko e website 'a e Tasilisili ko e http://groups.google.com/group/tasilisili |
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Malo e talanoa malie. Fakatokanga'i hake koe langa talanoa mei Fonua Lahi - land of the free, home of the brave! Ko e mate pee kapau na'e 'i ai ha me'a mo'ui ke mate? Ne 'i ai ko aa hamou culture? |
| ===================== Malo tv. e fakatokanga......mahalo ko e lea totonuu ko 'etau pehee 'oku liliu e culture...pee mole 'etau culture... 'Oku fakamo'oni'i foki 'oku 'iai e felave'i tonu e culture mo e tu'unga fakapolitikale pe faka'ekonomika 'o ha fonua. Pea neongo 'oku pehee 'e he ni'ihi e kau progressive educationists 'oku 'ikai ha culture ia 'e kovi ka 'oku nau kehekehe pee, ka ko hono mo'onii 'oku ai e culture ia 'e 'ikai fai ai ha laka kimu'a faka'ekonomika/fakapolitikale pea 'e kau atu moe lotuu. Kapau leva 'oku pehee, 'oku ou tui oku ai e culture oku kovi pea moe culture oku lelei. Ko e culture fakaTonga mo fakaSiasi e katoanga'i ha 'uluaki Sapate 'o ha mali mahalo 'e fehu'ia pee 'e tokoni e fa'ahinga culture ko iaa ki he tutupu fakalaumalie 'o e sosaietii pee 'ikai. Kapau leva 'e liliu e founga mo e 'uhinga angamahenii ko e haa 'ene uesiaa anga 'etau nofoo? 'Oku sai nai pee 'oku kovi? pe ko e ngali kovii pee ko 'ene fo'ouu? pea ka liliu e taumu'a e 'uluaki Sapatee 'o 'uhinga pee ko e konga e katoanga'i 'o ha mali kae'oua te tau feinga ke marginalize si'i ni'ihi ne nau tukia lolotonga e faikaume'aa, mahalo 'e faka'ofo'ofa pee mo ia. Ko e siasi tupu tokohali foki 'eni pea mahalo ko e taha eni he siasi Tonga tokolahi taha 'i Amelika ni. Pea 'oku ou sai'ia mo to'a'ia he faifekauu he'ene taasipinga hono holoki hifo e ngaahi konga etau culture 'oku 'ikai fakapapau'i pee 'oku totonu ke kei tauhi pee 'ikai. Hangee ko e hulohulaa e kau malangaa. Talu e tu'u e Mamongaa mo 'etau fakaanga'i he'enau hulohulaa mo 'enau fakaSosialee ka na'e fai e paati Kilisimasi e siasi ko 'enii, o takitaha hulohula pee mo hono mali pea ha'u e fanau 'o serve e maatu'aa. He me'a lelei mo fakafiefia he sio ki he kau malanga 'oku nau suti faka'ofo'ofa pea nau takitaha hulohula pee mo hono mali. Taa 'oku lava ke mali lelei pee hulohulaa mo e tangata mo e fefine malangaa, pea 'oku ou tui 'oku hoifua hifo e 'Otua he polokalama ko 'eni e siasi ko 'enii. Ko e faifekau e siasi ko 'enii ko e taki mo'oni(real leader) he 'oku ne lava 'o fai e ngaahi liliu (radical change) ka 'oku kau 'i he lilu ki he leleiange. Ne foaki ki he faifekau ko 'eni e pale fakalangilangi 'ehe Kovana homau vahee ki he'ene ngaue tonunga hono fakatahataha'i e community Tongaa. Ko e practical ia e "rethinking church" 'a e metotisii. Ko 'enau youth mahalo oku 'osi a'u o 200 tupu pea ko e longomo'ui atu Na'a kuo taimi ke fai ha hulohula hotau ngaahi siasi 'i Tongaa mo moutolu ko 'ena i Aositeleelia mo Niu Silaa...takitaha hoa pee mo hono hoa pea ko e kau single ke nau disco mavahevahe pee, kae 'oua pee te nau piki hulohula...pea ka fai ha ki'i piki ko e piki pee he fe'auhi uolosii pea fakapapau'i 'oku inisi e 13.3 e vamama'o honau sinoo, pea fakaulo uhila volota 120 ke maamangia...tau humble enough pee ka tau ki'i borrow e founga e mamongaa 'o fai ha ki'i fakafo'ou pea 'e 'ikai toe fie'alu hotau kakai ki he maamongaa. |
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On Wed, 21/4/10, Tuifua, Talanoa <Talanoa...@CityofPaloAlto.org> wrote:
Kataki toe fakatokanga'i ange ho'o lave na'a 'oku 'ikai ngofua ke ke lea ki ai 'o hange ko ho'o lave 'oku fakapikipiki mai.... |
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Malo Noa e kau mai he talanoa he kaveinga ni.
Tau faka'amu ke 'oua na'a tau mo'unofoa he fehalaaki e ongo me'a malii. Pea ko e 'uhinga ia neu 'oatu e me'atatau ne hokotonu i hoku lotofalee, ke fakamahino 'oku 'ikai ko ha siolalo ki he ongo matu'a ni pee kata kakae kiate kinaua. Kaa 'oku ai e fakafeta'i he'ena fai tu'utu'uni ke na fakataha i he mali pea toe 'iai mo e teengihiaa kapau ko e kamata 'eni e liliu e taha hotau ulungaanga fakafonuaa.
Ko e issue neu tokanga au ki ai ko e 'uhinga mo e taumu'a 'o ha kaatoanga'i e 'uluaki Sapatee 'o ha mali, 'aia 'oku liliu 'i he mali ko 'enii. Kapau ko e faifekau kita pea toe asi mai ha ongo matu'a ke fai ha'ana mali ka kuo mahino kuo hoko e palopalema tatau, me'a nii 'oku fakapotopoto pea 'e langilangi'ia hotau fakamo'ui ke te kau i hono liliu e angafakafonua e Uluaki Sapatee??
Mahino 'etau mix etau lotuu mo etau culture, pea 'oku ai e mix 'oku lelei 'i he'eku tuii hangee ko e katoanga 'o e 'Uluaki Sapatee...Ko e remix fakaTonga-'Americano ko 'enii, 'oku te taala'a pee 'oku tokoni ki hono fakalotolahi'i e fefine Tonga ki he "MOLUMALU" 'oku lau ki ai e TALANOA 'a PASIFIKA. Pea neu 'oatu ha'aku tu'utu'uni e fai kapau ko ha faifekau au 'oku fehangahangai mo e situation tatau. Pea kou tui ko e me'alelei ke ha'ofanga'i 'e he ngaahi ngaahi mamakavaa, pea kapau 'oku loto e siasi ke talanga'i pea ai ha'anau lau pau pee te nau malu'i e angafakafonua ko 'enii pe 'ikai.
Kau lave atu ai leva ki he identity crisis e kau Tonga nofo mulii neongo ne fai e lave ki ai kimu'a ka na'e si'i hono taalanga'ii.
Hangee ne ai e fehu'i what defines us as Tongans. 'E mole nai e Tonga e kau Tonga nofo mulii koe'uhii pee ko e 'ikai 'ilo e fanau Tonga fanau'i i mulii ki he ngaahi ulungaanga fakaTongaa pea mole moe lea FakaTonga meiate kinautolu etc.?? Me'a nii 'oku mole e Tonga 'a e tamasi'i fanau'i 'i Aositelelia, lea Fakapalangi, teunga fakapalangi, ikai 'ilo ki he ngaahi ulungaanga fakaTongaa?? Lava nai ke kei tauhi hono Tongaa neongo 'ene miss e ngaahi me'a ko 'enaa?
Fokotu'u atu:
1) Te nau kei Tonga pee 'o tatau ai pee pe 'e mole e ngaahi me'a fakaTonga 'i 'olungaa. Neongo e totonu fakalao e kau 'uli'ulii pea talu 'enau omi he senituli 18 pe 19, mole 'enau lea, 'enau ulungaanga fakafonua ka 'oku kei ui pee ko e African American. Me'a tatau ki he kau Miko (Mexicans) etc. Fakalao pea 'i he politically correct language, ko e kau Amelika kinautolu. ka he'ikai tanu he'enau la'ipepa sitisenii 'a e 'uli'uli honau kilii, 'uli'uli 'enau fangakuiii, pea 'oku 'iai pee 'enau culture faka'uli'uli.
2) Kapau 'e hoko e poto he lea Tongaa mo e 'ilo ki he ngaahi ulungaanga fakaTongaa ko e me'a ke ne tala 'ete hoko ko e Tongaa, 'e feefee kau palangi, kau Siaina, kau Initia etc 'oku nau sitiseni Tonga poto he lea fakaTonga pea 'ilo mo feinga ki he 'ulungaanga fakaTonga etc. 'Ikai oku tau kei ui pee 'a Cheng Fu ko e Siaina, pea ui 'a Natamu ko e Initia, pea 'e kei ui pee 'a Naisolo Statham ko e fu'u Aositelelia neongo 'ene mataotao he lea mo e ulungaanga fakaTonga etc..pehee kia Shumway ko e fu'u Amelika
'E lava pee ke mole hotau ulungaanga moe lea fakaTongaa ka e 'ikai mole hotau Tongaa.
3) Lava 'e he Kosipelii 'o fakafoki mai e ulungaanga fakaTonga 'oku tau feinga ke tauhii, pea koe Tonga mo'onii, 'a e Tonga (tokotaha ko e tupu'angaa e matu'aa ko e Tonga) 'oku muimui ofi kia Kalaisi.
'Oku felave'i ofi pea mo e fehu'i what is it like to be a real human? Kapau ko e taumu'a 'a e Kosipeli ko e fakafoki kitautolu ki he tu'unga feohi e tangataa mo e 'Otuaa kimu'a he too e uluaki ongo matu'aa, taa ko e nofo he angahalaa 'oku na 'ai kitautolu ke tau less human...Pea ka ai ha taha 'i Tonga 'oku nofo fe'auaki mo muimui ki he holi 'a hono kakano, 'oku 'ikai ngata pee i he'ene less human, but he is also less Tongan, he kuo kamata ke mole 'a e faka'apa'apa, 'a e mamahi'i me'a etc.
Lolotonga e tangi 'a Mele he pongipongi e toetu'u moe fehu'i atu 'a Sisu "Fefine ko e haa 'oku ke tangi ai? Ko hai 'oku ke kumi kiai?" Ko e fehu'i mahu'inga 'eni fekau'aki mo e identity crisis. 'Uluaki ne 'ikai ngaue'aki e Sisu e hingoaa 'o Mele ka ne pehee atu "fefine" hangee ia 'oku te'eki 'ilo 'e Sisu 'a Mele... pea na'e 'ikai fakatokanga'i 'e Mele 'a Sisu. Faka'ulia ia kapau 'oku te'eki 'iloa 'e Sisu hotau hingoa?? neongo 'etau pehee 'oku tau lotu, fai e moee..ko e me'a fakamamahi ka too mai e Folofola "''Alu oku 'ikai teu 'iloa kimoutolu" Fehu'i 'e Sisu "Ha me'a 'oku ke tangi ai" Mahalo ka ne 'i heni, 'e pehee mai "Ko e haa e me'a 'oku fai ai e paa'ehee, ha e me'a 'oku fai e katoangaa?" are we celebrating God's goodness? Toe fehu'i mai "KO HAI 'OKU KE KUMI KIAI?
Who am I?(question of identity) Where am I coming from? (question of origin) Why am I here? (question of purpose & meaning) Where am I heading to? (question of identity)
Kapau 'oku fangatua e kau Tonga nofo muli he feinga ke kumi ke 'iloa pee ko hai kitautolu? As we searching for who we are Fokotu'u atu...'oua e too e fakamamafaa ia e kumii he feinga ke 'ilo pee ko hai kitautolu Tongaa. Tali e fehu'i 'a Sisu kia Mele Who are you looking for? Tau tali atu--"'Oku tau kumi ki hotau 'Eiki mo Fakamo'ui" When we find Him or grow in the process of getting to know Him, we find who we are as Tongans...real Tongans pea ngali 'oku mo'onii 'a tv. ko e fakamamafaa ke 'ia Kalaisi/Kosipelii mo e Kalatua
ngataa a hee 'a e hee!!!
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- On Wed, 21/4/10, seni taniela <seni...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Fakatonutonu: where am I heading to (QUESTION OF DESTINY not identity)
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On Wed, 21/4/10, Nau Taitusi 'Ahosivi <hos...@bigpond.com> wrote:
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Hange kiate au ko e 'uluaki Sapate 'oku 'uhinga ko e 'Uluaki Sapate ia 'oku ma'u lotu fktaha ai 'a e ongo me'a mali as a husband & wife he ko e lea ia 'oku fai atu he 'aho 'o e mali - kuo mo hoko he 'aho ni ko e husepaniti & uaifi 'o 'ikai to e boy friend & girl friend. |
Kapau kuo mole 'a e molumalu ko e ha leva 'e fai fkfoki mai 'a e molumalu? |
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Malo Tusi mo Takamuli e tanumaki mai. Hangee 'oku totonu ke liliu mo Tonga e fa'ahinga culture filifilimanako ko 'enii ne tau angamaheni mo ia pea 'oku ou tui oku kei pului mai 'i Tonga pea hangee oku tau lue pee he motion e culture ta'etoefehu'ia 'ene fakaKosipelii koe'uhii he 'e suffer pee 'a ha'a fafine ka e kaakaa holo pee kakai tangata.
Tuku e molumaluu e faikaume'aa ia ki he takitaha fakafo'ituitui, ngali lelei pea fakaKosipeliange ke tau katoanga'i pea 'uluaki Sapate 'a e mali kotoa pee...lelei ia ki he tokotaha kotoa pea lelei ki he sky!!! Toe fakalotolahi'i atu ke fai ha hulohula fakaKosipeli homou ngaahi Siasii...tautautefito ki he ngaahi siasi ki muli nii...kae tuku e muimui ki he motion e culture fakalotu 'a Tongaa he ta'eta'e'uhinga ia!!!! |
MALO MU'A TAU TOE AU MAI KIHE FK'OSI'OSI OE UIKE KO 'ENI MOE TEU FKMANATU,SII KAKAI NA'A NAU LIAKIMO'UI KOE TAUATAINA,
KOU MANATU KIHE 'EKU FEHUIANGE KIHE KAU MATAPULE IHA 'ILO KAVA PE KOE HA ME'A TEU FAI KA MEÁ ANGE HA HOUÉIKI PE NOPELE,KI AUST PEA MAU TALAMAI,KUMI HA MAKA NOHA FAU,FALA NGAOHI KAVA,PEA TO'O MOHA KAVA PEAU 'ALU MO IA KI MULI PEA KA ME'A MAI HA NOPELE, PEA FAI KAKATO LEVA AÉ FATONGIA.NEU ONGOI PE ÓKU FU'U FKHELA.KA KOE ME'A IA NAÁ NAU FAI MO TAUHI, PEA NAU POLEPOLE AI KO HO NAU FATONGIA,TALU MEI MUA.
FAI ATU 'E MAU MAMA KAVA TOE FEHUI PE 'AE FEHUI TATAU, NA'E IAI 'A HELU,KOE TALANOA NAÉ FAI 'E HELU MEU NAFANA AI. KOE HIMI 533,KOE SALIOTE 'O TAIMI.
KOE MALI KOE OU'AU MAHUINGA,PEA 'IHE 'E TAU MALI FKTONGA KA FAI KIHE TUKUFKHOLO NA'A TAU TUPU MO IA KOE FKMAFANA ATU,HE NA'E KAMATA IHE FETOKANGA AKI PEA UI IA KOE FAISO,KOE TOKAGA HA KII MOTUA KIHA KII FEFENE,'OKU FAI ATU FAI ATU PE KUO MA MAHENI, FAI MOE O 'O FAIKAVA. NA'E FAITE PE FINEMUI I HONO LOTO FALE, KAE FAI 'AE UIUI FAI KAVA,'OUA OFO HE LILIU, KAE PUKE PEMUA HO TAU TONGA,'OKU TALA AI KI TAU TOLU.
SAMI TOKI HOKO ATU KAU 'ALU KIA FAIVA KI MATATAHI TALI MAI MOE FONUA, TOKI HOKO ATU, KAU FAIFEKAU NOFO MAU HE SAPATE KOHO MOU ME'A IA. HE HE HE OUA 'E ITA.
'OFA ATU TAITO'AELA'A.
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Sitiveni Faupula,
Malo e lelei mo e ngaue lahi mei hena, tau fakafeta’i he ‘aho fo’ou kuo tau a’usia ‘i he ‘ofa mo e kelesi hotau ‘Otua. Ko e fakalea atu pe mo e ta’alo fiefia atu he ke i ‘inasi he me’a’ofa fungani ‘a e ‘Otua ko e mo’ui. Kaekehe, ‘oku mo’oni ‘a e fakamaama ‘oku ke fai, he ka ‘o ka lava ke define ‘a e culture mo e tradition, pea ‘e faingofua leva ke ‘auliliki ‘a e ngaahi taumu’a ‘oku fai ki ai ‘a e talanoa. Ko e anga pe fakakaukau, ‘ofa atu mo e lotu.
Militoni A Finau.
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Death and decadent of Culture
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KUO FAI 'AE FE 'OFO'OFANI PEA KUO NA FKKAUKAU KENA MALI, KOE FKHA OE LOTO KIHE MALI FKTONGA 'OKU IKAI KOE FEFINE KA KOE TAMAI MOE MEHIKITAGA, PEA KUO PAU PE KE TALANGOFUA IA KI AI.
KIHE ''AHONI ÓKU TAU UI KOE FAITOHI, KA NA'E IAI 'AE LEA 'E UA NA'E FA'A NGAUE AKI KOE TA'OFI MOE POLO'I. KOE ÁLU IA 'AE ÚLUMOTUA OE TANGATA O FAI ÁELEA KIHE TAMAI 'AE FEFINE,KUO PAU KE 'ALU MOE MA'U KAVA.KUO 'OSI TALA 'EHE TAMAI IA KI HONO TEHINA PE TUOFEFINE 'AE FONONGA'OKU HA'U.KOE FA'EE 'OKU LONGO PE.FKMALO ATU HE TOKA'IMAI 'AE KII FINEMOTUA, KAE TUKU MAI HA TAIMI KE FKHA KIHE FAMILI,'E FOKI LEVA 'AE FONONGA,KAE FKKAUKAU MO TALANO 'AE FAMILI OE FEFINE.
HILI HA GHI 'AHOKUO TOE FAI 'AE FOKI KE VAKAI PEA 'OKU UI IA KOE 'A'AHI PEA ÓKU UA PE KOE IKAI PE KOE 'IO [ KA 'IO PE UI IA KOE TALI, KA IKAI PE UI IA KOE MOMOI ], AI AI PE 'AE KAVA MOE FONO.I HONI TALI PEA TOE HAU LEVA FANGA TOKOUA OE TANGATA TEU MALI KAU AI MO IA,KOE FKFEILOAKI IA 'AE ONGO KAINGA, KOE ALEA KUO FAI. TOE AI MOE 'UMU, ULUAKI 'OSI PE FANAPUAKA TEEKI KE FAI HA MALI IA, HEHE KUO LAHI E MOLE, SAI PE KO HONO LOTO. KOE 'UMU KO IA KOE 'UMU TAKI TOHI.FAI 'AE FEFINE HONO TAUHI 'AE ALEA. HE KOE FEFINE KUO POLOI. TA TEU A SAMI, 'OKU IHE ONGO TAMAI PE KE FKHA 'AE ÁHO KE FAI AI ÁE MALI.
ÓKU NGAUE 'AKI E MOLITONI 'AE POLOI PEA TALA KOE 'OFA 'ANGA 'OE LAUMALIE.
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SISU NAÉ POLOI MO'OU HOKU LAUMALIENI,
SIO KIHE TAHI HOU,'EKU MEIMEI NGOTO HENI.
PUKE,SISU, 'O FUFU,LOLOTONGA 'AE AFA;
PEAU MAU TAULANGA U, FA'AKI KI HO FATAFATA.
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V5,KO HAI 'E LAU 'AE 'OFANI FUNGANI?
'AE MISITELI TAUMAMA'O ATU?
KOE POLOI AU O ATONAI, '
'O 'OKU IA PEA'O'ONA AU.
'OFA atu,
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KIHE ''AHONI ÓKU TAU UI KOE FAITOHI, KA NA'E IAI 'AE LEA 'E UA NA'E FA'A NGAUE AKI KOE TA'OFI MOE POLO'I.
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Taaito, 'e fefee 'ae mali koee ne 'ikai "Faitohi pe Polo'ii " na'e kamata ia meihe tuki'ii pe leleaki'ii ? hahahahaaaa..
Taaitoo, hange kiate au kuo ke fefakahoko-taki e me'a Fakatonga kihe Tohitapu ........... 'e fefee 'a King Tevita mo Paatisepa , 'e ui ia koe ha ? koe polo'i pe koe fakamalohi pea toki kole fakamolemole'ii..........
Taaito- kapau koe 'omai 'ae akonaki Faka-Sisu ketau ngaue'aki, pea koe akonaki Faka-sisu... koe Fai- hotau-lelei-taha..
Pea kapau koe fusi mai e Tohitapu kene hanga 'o Fakamalohi'ii 'etau tau'ataiana, pea kuo kole fakamolemole atu...
taaito- kataki koe anga pe fakapapaa-'a -pulukamau-
sami.
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Matamata ko e culture 'oku lava pe ia 'o liliu pea tanaki 'ulungaanga ke fakasino 'a e tui, to'ongamo'ui etc. Ko e kakai Tonga 'oku nofo he ngaahi fonua muli 'oku fononga fakataha ai 'a e kupesi na'e tohi pea mei Tonga pea mo e kupesi fo'ou 'oku tanaki atu makatu'unga 'i he a'usia pea mo e fakakaukau. Na'e hoko pe eni ki he culture 'o Tonga pea 'oku lolotonga hoko pea 'e hokohoko pehee atu aipe ki he kaha'u. Pea pehee 'e he to'utangata 'e taha ko e FAKALO'AU kae tuku ki he Kafa vilivilo mei he OZ ke ne fakakakato mai. |
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Malo Hausia 'Uhinga nai ki he culture fakaTongaa? ke liliu 'o feluteni mo e culture fakapalangii? fakasino e tuii ki he leleiange pee koviangee??tanaki 'uluangaanga lelei pee 'uluangaanga kovi?? to'ongamo'ui fakaKosipeli pee ta'efakaKosipelii?
Ko e kupesi na'e tohi 'i Tonga pee kupesi fo'ouu ko e kupesi lelei pee kovi. Lava 'e he kupesi ne 'omi mei Tonga mo e kupesi tufi i muli 'o matatali e palopalema oku fokotu'u atu ko e lahi e nofo he akoo mo e violent, ngaue popule 'etau fanau i mulii??
Ha mahino e kehe talanoa culture e kau teolosiaa moe kau 'akatemika politikalee mo ekonomikaa. Talanoa culture pee kau teolosia e Pasifikii 'oku nau more culture-friendly ange kinautolu pea nau takitaha talanoa he lelei e culture fakaPasifikii mo fai hono feinga'i ke fakamali'i mo e tohitapuu pea nofo e fehu'ii pee 'e feefee ha'atau kei Tonga lolotonga 'etau nofo 'i muli. Pea hangee oku lahiange fakamamafa ia he "how can I remain a Tongan in a foreign country?" he fakamamafa "how can we be more Christlike and productive Christians in a foreign country?"
Ko e talanoa culture pee kau economists/pol. scientists kapau ko e talanoa ki he culture fakalukufua 'a ha fonua: Ko e fehu'i pee pee 'oku tokoni nai e culture e fonua ko iaa ki he fakalakalaka faka'ekonomikaa moe liliu fakatemokalatii pe 'ikai..Pea ka 'ikai, ko e fehu'i pee ko fee ngaahi konga e ngaahi culture 'oku tokonii mo e konga 'oku ikai tokonii.
Kou tui ko e talanoa e culture e matu'aa mo e fanau 'i tu'alokiako he real world 'oku nau fai 'enau nautolu e fahu'i e kau ekonomika moe kau politikii...'ikai ke nau nofo kinautolu pee 'e anga feefee ha'aku fakasino fakatonga/fakapalangi 'enau tuii...ka oku nau tangi mai pee 'e "anga fefee 'eku fangatua moe culture i muli ni peau ikuna...'o 'ikai ngaue popula 'eku fanau, peau lava 'o kei totongi e pilaa..pea kapau tenau fehu'ia culture fakatongaa--ko e 'eke pee ko ehaa culture Tonga teu tauhi ke tokoni kihe totongi pilaa mo leleiange 'eku lotuu pea ko e haa e culture Tonga ke 'akahii hangee ko e ouau mali ne kamata ai e tepile ni."
Pea neu fokotu'u atu 'a e maumau e vitioo dvd hono shape culture e fanau Tongaa 'aia oku ke faka'ikai'i maii ka teu faka'osi atu 'aki pee quote mei he American Academy of Pediatrics fekau'aki mo e connect e vitioo mo e violence etc, "....prolong viewing of media violence can lead to emotional desensitization toward violence in real life....Pediatricians should urge parents to avoid television viewing for children younger than 2....Research tells that brain development shows that babies and toddlers have a critical need for direct interactions with people for healthy brain growth."
Kou tui 'e 'aonga ke tau luku he founga ke tokoni'i ai e matu'aa mo e founga tauhi fanauu ke nau ikuna e culture 'oku ne fusi ki lalo e mo'ui fakaatamai, fakaekonomika, mo e fakalaumalie, kae'oua e 'ai ke nau ma'u e victim mentality....pea hoko culture fo'ou oku nau pusiaki'i ko e culture oku ikai tokoni ki he nofo he fonua mulii. |
On Thu, 13/5/10, tv <ti.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
Ko e me'a 'e taha I think "parents must have a desire" to do their best for the children. The Mormon church are great in this because they have a huge emphasis on family! Foha lahi kamata ako. Best school ko e private school which cost an arm and a leg in this country. Ka koe toe fefeee - kalusefai e me'a kotoa. 'umaki, lue lalo, nofo ma'u no more out, every penny is counted ... etc. 'Oku 'ikai teu toe hela au he fkmatala ki he famili 'i Tonga he 'e pehee mai ke tokoni ange ka e tuku e launoa - 'ave pee tamaiki ki he ako ta'etotonhi .... As much as my heart breaks in not being able to send money home, I trust the good Lord ke ne reconcile the fact that a huge part of my definition as a Tongan is being able to help and give. Reconcile that with the fact that I can only give what I have and not what I don't have! So, parenting is very complicated (I gathered), ka ko e me'a lahi ko e who am I, is going to be what the children are going to inherit. Proverbs 22:6 reminds us of the importance of parenting. |
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Masi'i tv ko e struggle mo'oni ena, 'a e struggle he'ete responsibility ki he'ete fanau mo e responsibility ki he lotuu.
Ai hoku ongo kaunga ako Toloa 'oku ha e kehekehe 'emau mo'ui'i e culture he fonua muli mo e culture he siasii. Naku lave kimu'a he fakaanga'i au 'e he tokotaha ko e 'ikai ha'aku ngaue kae nofo 'o to'otamaa. Talamai 'e ia 'oku ou fakapikopiko. Kaungaa tangata 'e tahaa, talamai 'e ia 'e ngaue ua ia. Ko e ngaue 'e taha ko e tauhi e famili, pea ngaue 'e taha ko e 'alu pee ki he Siasii. Ka ko 'ene kau leka 'e toko faa, oku lautohi fakaSapate, kuo launga mai e kau palangi mo e kau Tonga failautohi fakaSapate he'emau fakataha e kau failautohii, kuo 'ikai ke nau kei lava hano pule'i e fanau hoku tokoua ko 'enii.
Neu toe fanongo tonu foki he malanga 'a e faifekau Tonga na'a ne pehee, " 'Oku ai e matu'a 'oku nofo taha pee 'enau tokangaa he'enau fanauu mo 'enau akoo, ka e ta'etokanga ki he Siasii....etc" Pea toki hoko atu e faifekauu 'o pehee, "Fai 'e koe me'a 'a e 'Otuaa (siasii mo hono ngaahi fatongiaa) kae fai 'ehe 'Otuaa ho'o me'aa (tokanga'i ho'o fanau)."
Kehe akonaki e faifekau ko 'eni mo e talaloto 'a James Dobson ko e founder e ministry ki he familii ko e Focus on the Family. Na'a ne pehee ko 'ene tamai ko e faifekau pea na'e hoko ko e tangata 'evangelioo i honau siasii. Pea lolotonga 'e taimi ne 'a'ahi holo ai 'ene tamai o malanga he state kehe i Amelika ni kae nofo 'a James mo 'ene fa'ee lolotonga oku ne kei 'i he teenage, kuo 'alu a Semisi ia 'o fakakaungaatamaiki pea kamata ke konaa mo rebellious. Ne telefoni fakavavevave 'ene fa'ee ki he'ene tangata'eikii ke feinga ke foki mai ko Semisi kuo kamata ke haua etc. Ne tuku 'e he tangata'eikii 'ene malanga takai kae foki mai, pea taimi si'i pee kuo fakafisi mei he faifekauu, fakatau atu honau 'apii ka nau hiki ki he state kehe. Pea ko e 'uhinga 'enau hikii ke mavahe 'a Semisi mei hono kaungatangata pau'u honau koloo.
Ne 'alu e lo'imata e James Dobson mo 'ene pehee " Peheange mai 'oku kei mo'ui 'ene tangata'eikii ke ha'u 'o sio hono me'angaue'aki ia 'ehe 'Otua i Amelika ni mo maamani. 'A e lava ke ne kalusefai e ngaue na'e 'ofa aii koe'uhii pee ke ohi hake ia ha 'aatakai te ne lava ai o hoko ko ha tokotaha apasia 'Otua."
'I he fa'ele hoaa hoku uluaki uhiki 'oku ou kei i NY kae Salt Lake ni, kuo tohi mai 'a Dr Palatasa Havea mei NZ 'o fai mai e fale'i ko 'enii, "Ka oku ala lava ke toloi e akoo pea toloi ka ke foki ki he familii. Ne uluaki fokotu'u ange famili he siasii...and your family is your first ministry." Talamai e Paula "ko ia oku ikai ke ne tokanga ki hono famili oku ne kovi ange he hiiteni." Neu li'aki pee uike taha mo e konga kau ha'u ke tali e tofi'aa.
Lolotonga 'oku nofo masivesiva atu e fine'eiki i motu, malo mo e 'ofa e hoaa'ene feinga ke lii e ki'i seniti every other month...my heart breaks that I cannot do much...pea 'oku te fa'amaa he'emau faikava he efiafi sapatee ko e talanoa kavenga pee matu'aa kuo te ulupunou pea neongo ete fie'alu he poo falaite o socialize he kalapu homau siasii ka 'oku te maa he'ikai ha holoo. Ko 'ema me'alele oku palakuu taha he siasii, soloteipi'i e maama mui peau ha'imaea e pamupaa kuo mei homo. Me'amaliee ko hoku hoaa she is not a "people person" and does not really care what people say kaa ko au kou maa au. Mau faikava 'ane efiafi pea teu 'emau ngaahi pola ki he fakamavae moe faifekau palangii pea lahi e pole ke takitaha e pola, kau mate au he maa pea ikai puli e fakakata mai 'oku te ta'efie fuakavenga. Kaikehe ko e struggle ia he culture mulii between taking care of family, responsibility to my church, mo e
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Malo tv. 'E 'ohovale 'a Tony fakahau ka fakanongo he ngaahi vahevahe kuo ke
fa'a fakakoloa'i 'aki 'a e paenga ni.
Matamata e 'aonga 'a e culture 'o e lds kiate au keu ki'i ngaungaue ai ke tonu
hoku va'e.
mo e 'ofa
hausia
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Sisitoutai Taufa <papaif...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Seni ko e fie vahevahe pe mo koe á e meá tatau ne fai mai ai e fononga mai ai he ngaahi taú lahi,tui áupito au ko e úluaki ministry á kita matuá ko e fanau naé foaki mai é he Éiki,ne lahi ange éku ma ki hoku Eiki heéku fai ha meá ó lahi hake pe siísií ange he meá kuo ne foaki mai ki hoku nima. |
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When I travel to different countries, I always ask my friend who has traveled to well over 100 countries, what do I need to know about showing honor?
For example, when we ministered in Korea, my friend told me to
These are simple ways to show honor in Korea.
After learning from him about several different countries, I asked, “How would you advise me to show honor if I was visiting the United States from another country?” He laughed as he told me, “I wouldn’t have to tell you anything because most people don’t care about showing honor in our country.”
His comment made me think. Have we become (for the most part) a culture without honor?
When Jesus returned home, people were offended by him and treated him as a commoner. Jesus said, “Only in his hometown, among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor.” Mark 6:4
Verse 5 and 6 said, “He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6 And he was amazed at their lack of faith. Mark 6:5-6
Notice the Bible doesn’t say he “would” not, but “could” not do any miracles.
I wonder if our “lack of honor” to God and His people is limiting what could happen in our churches. What do you think?
Ma'ananga - Tasilisili
Na'aku nofo pe 'o faka'amu ke hanga 'eha taha 'o 'omai 'a e topic 'o e tepile ni, 'A culture of Honor'. Wow!
Ma'ananga, na'aku faka'amu au ke fokotu'u,
"Tongan Culture - is a culture of honor".
Koe NGATU (tapacloths).... kapau tetau fakamatala'i meihe kamata'anga, hangee ko hono teuteui'i 'a e kelekelee ke too 'a e hiapoo, hoko atu ki hono tauhi 'a e hiapoo, hoko atu ki hono ta'aki 'a e hiapoo, hoko atu ki hono teuteui'i 'o tutu 'ehe kakai fefine, hoko atu ki hono ngaohi mai 'a e ikee moe tutuaa, hoko atu ki hono fakamatala'i 'a e taimi 'o e kakai fefinee 'oku fakamoleki hono teuteui'i, hangee ko hono taa 'a e fau moe koka, moe toulanganga, moe haafua 'a e ngaahi ngaue kihe ngatuu.
'Oku hanga 'ehe fo'i process hono ngaohi 'a e ngatuu meihe kamata'anga kihe ngata'anga 'o talamai (highlight) 'a e lahi 'o e loto tuiaki (determination) moe ngaue fakataha (group work) 'a e Tongaa!
'Oku ne reflect mai ai 'a e 'attitude' ngauee 'o e Tonga mo 'ene creativity (ability to change). 'Oku ne talamai ai 'a e poto 'etau fanga kuii (leadership) 'ihe 'enau 'implement' 'a e ngaue fakatahaa (group/community work). Koe kakai tangata 'oku 'iai honau ngafa 'ihe lolotonga 'o e process hono ngaohi 'a e ngatu (team work). 'Oku ne talamai ai 'a e makehe atu 'a e tekinolosia 'a Tongaa! (wisdom/knowledge/on-going learning). 'Oku ne talamai 'a e 'ofa 'etau fanga kui, na'anau fekumi kihe kafu lelei tahaa 'i honau kuongaa pea kuo tukumai ia ketau kafu mo 'etau faanau. 'Oku ngaohi 'a e ngatu 'ehe ngaahi fa'ee 'o ngaue'aki kihe mali 'a e fanaau (our inheritance from our forefathers/mothers). 'Oku faka'ataa 'ehe kakai tangata 'o Tongaa 'a e kakai fefinee kenau tangutu 'o
taa'ingo'ingo'i 'a e kaha'u 'o Tongaa (fanau) meihe 'enau creativity. Koe mahu'inga ia 'o e tauhi faanauu ki Tonga 'oku reflect 'ihe 'etau ngaahi koloaa!
'Oku tatau pe 'a e violence 'a e history 'o e ngaahi fonua 'o e uesite moha toe fonua kehe. Ko koe mo au 'a e 'culture' 'o Tonga! Koe 'uhinga ia 'o e mahu'inga 'oe fa'ahinga kuo fokotu'u koe kau 'role models' 'o Tonga he 'oku nau hanga 'o reflect 'a e culture 'a Tonga na'e paasimai meihe 'etau fangakui.
'Oua tetau fakamaamaa'i 'a 'etau culture 'oku fonu 'ihe koula moe silivaa, to'o 'a e liliu 'oku lelei pea tukuange 'a e ngaahi liliu 'oku totonu ke tukuangee 'o hangee koe lau 'a Hausia.
'ofa atu
daphne
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Seni,
oku tau talanoa he pekia mo e holofa 'a e Kalatua, 'oku ou fokotu'u atu 'ae kaveinga ni Kalatua 'o e Faka'apa'apa (Culture of Honor) na'a a'onga atu ki he talanoa 'oku fai: contributor ko e tama Amelika. Credits: Lifechurch.tv
Malo Ma'afu
'Oku ou poupou atu ki he me'a 'oku ke tokanga ki ai he neu 'osi lave heni ki he me'a tatau ki mu'a atu. 'Oku lahi e ngaahi lea mahino ke tau ngaue'aki 'i he'etau lea faka-Tonga, ka 'oku tau kei kole lea pe mo fakamo'ua lea mei he lea faka-Pilitania. Mahalo pe nai ko 'ene ha ngali fo'ou ka ko e taha ia e founga 'oku fakahomoki ai pea 'auhia atu 'etau lea faka-Tonga.
Veituna, sai pe 'oku kei lahi pe ngaahi me'a 'a Tafakula ke ta vakai ki ai ee, hee ko aa Ma'afu ee, lol.
'Ofa atu,
Uani.
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:44:21 +1300
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] A Culture of Honor
From: maafu...@gmail.com
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Kau tangata,
Ko e ha koaa e "Kalatua": Fakakaukau au na'a ko ha fa'ahinga manupuna - fa'ahinga mo e Kalae. LOL. Kuo ha 'etau fo'i lea Tonga ko e "Anga fakafonua". 'Oku ou tui 'oku taau ke 'oua te tau fa'ulea tukukehe 'oka toki 'i ai ha "concept" faka-muli 'oku 'ikai hano lea 'i he'etau lea Tonga. 'Oku mahino pe kia au hono ngaue'aki 'e 'Okusi Mahina e lea ni ki he tohi na'a ne fa'u he me'a ni, ka 'oku hange 'oku toe ta'emahino ange ai e me'a na'e 'osi mahino.
'ofa atu.
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Sione M. Veituna <svei...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Seni,
oku tau talanoa he pekia mo e holofa 'a e Kalatua, 'oku ou fokotu'u atu 'ae kaveinga ni Kalatua 'o e Faka'apa'apa (Culture of Honor) na'a a'onga atu ki he talanoa 'oku fai:
Tue, 18/5/10, Sione M. Veituna <svei...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Oku fai e poupou ki he talanoa'i e ngaahi palopolema he anga 'etau nofo, ka ko e hili atu pe e tepile ni na'a lava ke tau talanoa foki ki he lelei 'o e anga fakapa'a'apa Fakatonga ki he mo'ui 'a e famili, siasi mo e fonua. hange ko hono ngaue'aki e tulou he 'ete laka fakalaka ha taha, 'oua e kai pe ifi tu'u kae me'a ki lalo, tauhi ki he mehikitanga, tuofefine etc, kau taki mo e kau taula'eiki, hange kiate au kuo tau fakapiko'ia he ngaahi me'a ko eni pea tala kuo holoki mo'ui, kae aafe ki he fakapalangi, kae ikai ke tau tokanga'i 'oku ai pe mo e mannerism 'a e kau muli, ka kuo tau lii 'etautolu etau mannerism (anga faka'apa'apa) 'o tupu ai e holofa mo e pekia 'a e kalatua |
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Malo Nanga e fakamo'ui mai e Kaveinga ni ke tau hiki mai ki ai.
Uike ua kuo 'osi neu borrow mai mei he laipeli homau siasii e ki'i tohi ko e Reverence: Renewing a Forgotten Virtue. Neu 'ohovale he vakai hifo ko e author Paul Woodfruff ko e Professor of Philosophy pea ko e ki'i tohi ne pulusi 'e he Oxford Press he 2001. Pea 'oku hangee 'oku ''ikai ke teu fkKalisitiane ia.
'Oku ne faka'uhinga e reverence (Apasia) ko e "well developed capacity to have the feelings of awe, respect, and shame when these are right feelings to have."
'Iai 'ene fale'i 'e taha 'o pehee kapau 'oku 'ikai ke te faka'apa'apa (respect) ki he fanau pee ni'ihi 'oku si'i mo vaivaiange 'iate kitaa, taa 'oku te fusimo'omo he ongo'i 'apasia ki ha me'a pe ko ha taha 'oku lahi hake 'iate kita.
Ke fao'i etau ulungaanga faka'apa'apa fakaTonga ke a'u 'ete faka'apa'apa ki he'ete ki'i foha mahina 18 kuo pau ke te 'apasia ki he Tokotaha 'oku lahi hake 'iate kita. He ka mole 'a e 'apasia ki he Tokotaha 'oku lahi hake, 'oku malava noa ke patoo e fu'u paa he mata 'o e mahina 'e 18 he taimi koee 'oku fakafiufiu aii. Ta ne'ine'i ke pehee mai e Paula 'ilonga ha ngaue 'oku te fai...ngaue fie ngaue ki ai ko e ngaue ki he 'Eiki. Hange ko e point of reference ia ke tolonga ai e faka'apa'apa fakaTongaa. He kapau te tau ngata pee he feinga'i ke tauhi e faka'apa'apa for the sake of keeping our Tonganness 'e fepaki ia mo e to'utupuu tokolahi 'oku haka maamaalie honau ongoo mo 'enau manakoo 'e he vala, 'ehe lea, 'e he to'onga mo'ui 'oku ako'i'aki kinautolu 'e he ngaahi vitioo lahi mo e ni'ihi mei muli oku nau foki atu mo e to'onga mo'ui kehe.
'Oku te malie'ia pee he'ene fakakau e maa (shame) he definition o e reverence. 'Aia 'oku 'iai e taimi 'oku tonu ai ke te maa ai he taimi 'oku te humu ai he 'ete faka'apa'apa ki hoto kaungaa fonongaa pe ko ha taha pe 'apasia ki he 'Otua.
Ko e fehu'i mahu'inga pee 'e anga feefee 'etau fakatolonga pe malu'i e culture oku leleii hangee ko e faka'apa'apa etc.?
Mahalo e ai e ni'ihi te nau to'o e fale'i "Ko e culture kuo pau pee ke liliu....'oku tau tanaki mai pee mo tukuange atu...so why bother?" Ka kiate au 'oku 'ikai ko e issue ia pee 'e liliu pe ta'eliliu, he kuo pau pee ke 'asi e liliu. Ko e issue ko e liliu ki he leleiange pee kovi ange pee how far should we allow the winds of change to change my cultural values? Teu tangutu noa pee 'o tali e ngaahi liliuu?
Teu to'o e fale'i e taha fa'umaau 'iloa he hisitolia 'o Amelika ni to T.S Eliot "We don't inherit culture. We have to fight for it." Ko e tau ko ia kuo pau ke fai 'ehe kau akoo, kau politikalee, kau lotuu, kau tauhi fanau etc. Instead of being passive kuo pau ke tau proactive. Sai hono ako'i i lokiakoo kae'oua e ngata pee ai. Mahalo i he public policy kuo pau ke fai e feinga ke kei sivi pee ngaahi faiva 'oku faka'ataa ke rent atu i Tongaa, hangee oku fai e he ngaahi fonua mosilemii ke malu'i enau culture. Neongo he'ikai te tau lava 'o ta'ofi e access he internet ka kuo pau ke tau fai e me'a ke ta'ota'ofi e free ride e evil hotau fonuaa ke malu'i e public morality. Pea mahalo ko e mala'etau mahu'inga taha ke kamata mei aii, te ma foki ki ai mo tv ko e famili & church as changing/protective agents of culture....tv mo hausia moe kau tslsl , tuku atu aa e tepile
koee ka tau hiki mai ki heni 'o hoko atu ai 'etau talanoa ki he familii--mo e culture of honor |
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When Jesus said a prophet is without honor in his hometown, the Greek word he used was “atimos” (pronounced at’-ee’-mos). It means to dishonor, to treat as common or ordinary.
The word translated as honor from Greek is the word “time” (prounounced tim-may’). It means to value or highly esteem. This word means to treat as precious, weighty or valuable.
Applied to our daily lives, we could say:
If you want a common marriage, dishonor your spouse. Treat him or her as ordinary. If you want an exceptional marriage, highly esteem your spouse. Treat him or her as precious or valuable.
You might say, “But he isn’t acting honorably.”
Remember, respect is earned, but honor is given. If you treat someone with honor even though they haven’t earned it, they might start behaving honorably.
Romans 12:10 in the ESV says, Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.” (Emphasis mine)
Kataki ‘oku ‘ikai te u ‘ilo ‘e au ki he fakaikiiki ki he fehu’i ‘a Ma’ananga (ko e faifai pea ma’u mai ha toe fakamaaulau ‘e taha kiate au1!)
Ka ‘oku ou tokanga atu ki he tafa’aki ko eni: ko e ha e kehekehe e “honor” ko eni ‘oku tau Tasilisili ai (ko hotau anga fakafonua), mo e “honor” ‘oku ne faka’ai’ai e ngaahi tau ‘oku hoko ‘i mamani (hange ko e World Wars I & II, mo e Japan war ne hoko ‘i hotau potu taha; pe ko e ngaahi tau ‘i Iraq & Afghanistan) pea mo e “honor” ‘oku ne fakatupu e fakavalevale (terrorism) ‘oku teteki ai ‘a mamani (ko e ngaahi ‘aho ni, ko e tau’aki tolo ‘i Bangkok ‘oku fai koe’uhi ko e “honor”)?
Ko e fakatalanoa pe, jh
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From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sione M. Veituna
Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 4:57 PM
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] A Culture of Honor
Tavalu,
tuku pe ke Tafakula pe 'a Uani 'oku lahi, kau Puakatau pe au 'oku ou si'isi'i mo fakamatalili lahi he he he he he.
mo kataki ne tomu'a ngaue'aki pe 'a e Kalatua ia kimu'a te'eki ke fai e ako ia 'a Okusi. Oku ikai ko Okusi 'a e tufunga he fo'ilea ni. Mo 'eke kia J.Havea pe ko hai? Sai pe ke fakatou 'ai pe pea ka 'ikai pea tau toki tuku kia Takamuli mo e kau ha'a tufanga ke nau toki fakama'opo'opo mai. oku ke ia koaa Takamuli he ha'a fe? ha ha ha ha
ka mo sio mai...... ongo mata'i Eua eee ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ne mo fakatonutonu lea he fiha, LOLs, ko anga pe si'ete toe fakamanatu mai 'a e liliu lea 'a e matu'a ne holomu'a he fonua. (mate he kata!)
ofa atu Uani mo Ma'afu
Ma'ananga
Suva
'a e Tasilisili ko e http://groups.google.com/group/tasilisili
Ke fao'i etau ulungaanga faka'apa'apa fakaTonga ke a'u 'ete faka'apa'apa ki he'ete ki'i foha mahina 18 kuo pau ke te 'apasia ki he Tokotaha 'oku lahi hake 'iate kita. He ka mole 'a e 'apasia ki he Tokotaha 'oku lahi hake, 'oku malava noa ke patoo e fu'u paa he mata 'o e mahina 'e 18 he taimi koee 'oku fakafiufiu aii. |
| ---------------------------------------------- Malo mu'a e fakatalanoa 'i he kaveinga 'oku ou tui 'oku mahu'inga ke fai ki ai ha vakai.. malie 'ae fakakaukau kuo 'omai Tuli ka koe tanaki atu pe hange ko e me'a fua kuo tuku mai 'e he folofola 'i he fuakava motu'a pea fai hono tanaki 'i he fuakava fo'ou..".'ofa ki he 'Otua 'ofa ki ho kaunga'api"..pea fai ia 'o hangee pe ko ho'o fai ia kiate ko e..fefe ke tau kamata pe iate kita pea ka lava ia pea 'e matamata te tau lava ke fai ki he taha 'oku lahi pea toe fakamafana ange ko e lava ke fai ki he taha 'oku si'isi'i...ko e lave atu pe...malo |
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Ka ‘oku ou tokanga atu ki he tafa’aki ko eni: ko e ha e kehekehe e “honor” ko eni ‘oku tau Tasilisili ai (ko hotau anga fakafonua), mo e “honor” ‘oku ne faka’ai’ai e ngaahi tau ‘oku hoko ‘i mamani (hange ko e World Wars I & II, mo e Japan war ne hoko ‘i hotau potu taha; pe ko e ngaahi tau ‘i Iraq & Afghanistan) pea mo e “honor” ‘oku ne fakatupu e fakavalevale (terrorism) ‘oku teteki ai ‘a mamani (ko e ngaahi ‘aho ni, ko e tau’aki tolo ‘i Bangkok ‘oku fai koe’uhi ko e “honor”)?
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Mahalo ko e taha 'oku mata'i tohi lahi ka e mata'i tohi si'isi'i 'ae taha..:):):) pea koe feinga ko ee 'ae mata'i tohi si'isi'i ke mata'i tohi lahi pea ko e taimi ia 'oku fai ai 'ae fehulunaki.... pea mo e fehopokaki...ko ia koaaa???