TPLetter210313[1][1]
Maile Molitika
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kolo
'ikai ha le'o ia 'o taha.'oe kakai.Neongo 'ene pehe fktatau ki he'e
nau lau kuo 'ikai ngofua ke kei ngaue ae faifekau 'ihe vahenga lotu
Tonga ka koe visa talitali 'oku ne ma'u lolotonga heikai lava he'e
Uniting 'o ta'ofi 'ae faifekau 'ene ngaue ma'a mautolu kae 'oleva kuo
'osi 'ae fakamaau'anga tribunal 'i Sune.'Oku malanga fkme pea 'oku mau
toe ui ke malanga Sapate Fa'ee 'ia mautolu. They sponsor him for two
years only ignore him to continued working illegally for two whole
years. Now they come and kick him out me'a nii koe lotu lelei ia 'oku
tau taukave'i?Koe visa talitali 'ae faifekau koe feinga'i pe 'e
mautolu 'i tu'a.Ke tali kihe tribunal 'i Sune kae toki foki.Na'e lele
lelei pe vahenga lotu ia kapau na'e taki nofo hono tu'unga.'Ikai
'aonga sii 'emau kuata hoko pe koe fakamamahi 'uto.
malo Sami ngali pau ange visone 2016 ia......heheheheeee
On 22 Apr, 03:19, "Sami Pakofe" <samip...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Mou laulau atu 'ena ,,mo tau sio aipe , kihe Kau Faifekau Fefine,,,,,
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> 187KTampilkanUnduhan
Sitiveni
me'a ni he neti. hhhhhhh. 'Oku mahino pe 'a e founga ngaue ia 'a e UCA
he me'a ni pea 'oku ou tui au ko e issue pe eni ia e kakai 'o e Parish
Tonga ke nau fetukulolo'aki he 'oku fk'ofa e faifekau ia. Koeha na'e
'ikai ke mahino ai ki he Parish Tonga ne pau ke 'osi e taimi ngaue 'a
e faifekua ki Fepueli? Ko e tu'ofiha eni hono 'omai e faifekau mei
Tonga 'e he Parish Tonga mo e palopalema pe! Kapau ko e tu'utu'uni
fkngaue e 'a e Presbytery pea 'oku taau ke fkfoki aa e faifekau - tapu
mo ia - he 'oku si'i maumau 'ene ngaahi ngaue lelei he fefusiaki 'a e
kakai 'i he loto Parish Tonga. 'E fefe ka kumi aa ha taha he kau
faifekau Tonga 'a e UCA ke ngaue faifekau he Parish Tonga? Ko e anga
pe sio...
Nonga 'a e 'Eiki
Lousiale Uasike
From: kolo <kolo...@hotmail.com>
To: Tasilisili-he-ngaluope <tasil...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 4:35 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: TPLetter210313[1][1]
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Ma'afu'otu'itonga Palu
"Let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to
Jesus" - Anonymous 1st Century Preacher (aka "Hebrews")
kolo maile
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Kapau ko e palopalema ha me'a fakatokateline ke ne ofe'i 'enau tui ki he Tohitapu pea tetau feinga ke tokoni ki he kakai ko eni ia , ko e kakai pe eni ia 'oku tau sio atu ki he tohi 'oku kakano mai'aki 'enau mo'ui tauhi vaha'angatae ki he Faifekau, kataki Kolo ko 'eku toki lave'i eni ko ho'o 'eke 'a Uaisele ...
Taau ke fei mo hanga 'e Tonga 'o fai ha me'a ki he'enau Faifekau, pea fakangata mai e fiema'u 'ae Parish , kanau ngaue'aki e kau Faifekau heni , Filimone 'Oliveti, Viliami Halaifonua, ko e kakai eni nenau teu'i, kau ai mo Haloti Kailahi.....mo e kau Tonga tokolahi, sai ko Lief ena mo Nau, 'Alimoni, Maile Molitika ..
kuo kaukaua e UCA mo'enau kau Faifekau , ko e kei 'ai Faifekau ki Tonga , he 'oku nau valeleli ha taimi ?
Na'a kuo taimi ke tukituki e Parish ki he Presbytery fakamatakali, kenau ma'u 'ae mafai , hange ko ia 'oku 'i he kau Korea..ko e founga ia 'e taha, ka 'ikai pea Vahefonua aa ki he Sutt ki Tonga...
Kuo pekia atu e kau Faifekau tokolahi pea 'oku ou tukuaki'i 'e au e Parish ki he fakanounou honau ngahi taimi 'i mamani..Kolo ee.
takamuli.
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Kolo,'Oku kei malohi pe fai mai 'a e UCA ko ho'omou kei pipiki ki ai. 'Oku ou ongo'i 'oku 'i ai 'a e fakaehaua mo e ta'etoka'i 'i he tohi ni, pea 'oku 'ikai totonu ke tau kei nofo atu ki he palangi na, ke ne pehe'i hotau fa'ahinga.Kuo 'ikai nai 'i ai ha fakakaukau 'a 'Osai mo kimoutolu kau Tonga 'i he Parish, he kuo 'osi taimi ke mou fetukutuku kitu'a mei he fa'ahinga fakaehaua kuo fuoloa hono fai mai 'e he Uniting? Tuku atu 'enau koloa 'anautolu, he 'oku te'eki ke masiva e kakai 'a e 'Eiki.Kuo 'ikai nai 'i ai ha taha te ne lava ke 'ave e me'a ko ena ki he Fakamaau'anga ke fakatonutonu mei ai? 'E iku 'o 'ofa ange e Pule'anga he kau assylum seekers ko ena 'oku 'ave 'o tauhilelei he ngaahi feitu'u kehekehe, he fe'ofa'aki fakalotu na'e totonu ke 'asilahi he Siasi.Fokotu'u atu Kolo, mou oo 'o fai ha ngaue ke malu'i'aki e totonu 'a e tangata'eiki faifekau Tonga, ke 'oua 'e ha'u e palangi vale ko ena (hufanga atu he fakatapu) 'o tamoloki holo pe kitautolu hange ha kakai ta'e'atamai (hufanga atu he fakatapu).Fakamolemole atu pe kau Tasilisili mo kimoutolu 'oku nofo he Parish Tonga, ka kuo huu mai kiate au ha 'italahi 'aupito he palangi ko ena ne ne tohi pehe mai, he hange 'oku fa'ifa'iteliha pe ia si'etau tangata'eiki faifekau 'o 'ikai ha toka'i 'e taha.Ko e tangatamo'ui pe mo Rev Uesile Tu'akoi, 'oku 'i ai 'ene totonu mo hono famili ki ha feitu'u malu ke nofo ai pea fai ai hano tauhi 'e he Siasi Uniting, 'o a'u ki ha taimi 'e toki faingamalie ke foki mai ai ki Tonga ni. Ko e fatongia ia 'o e Uniting ke nau fai e me'a ko ia. Kae 'oua 'e tuli pehe'i ki hala, he 'oku 'ikai ko Tonga ena ke si'i faingamalie ha feitu'u.Kolo, pea toki tala atu hoku 'ofa lahi ki si'i ta'okete faifekau na.Si'oto'ofaatu
Malo Lou koe loto 'oe kuata ke nofo 'ae faifekau 'ihe 'api nofo'anga kae 'oua leva ke lava 'ae tribunal ka kuo nau overrule 'e nautolu ia ke fai mo mavahe 'ihe 'aho 30/04/2013 kae 'ataa e 'api ia.Koia ' fksio ha feitu'u ke si'i hiki kiai.Mo'oni pe palangi ia pea mo'oni pe Vahenga Lotu Tonga koe maumau 'oku hoko pe 'i loto. Sai pe ngaahi siasi kehe ia (siasi tonga) 'ikai 'ilo pe koe ha kuo tau palopalema pehe ai.'
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vakai'i atu 'a Daphne mo e Sioeli Mission ki he fengaue'aki mo e parish tonga ki he tukunga ko 'eni. malo e tokoni mo e ngaue kolo ki si'i kainga na.
Sami na'e lava lelei 'ae fktaha he Tokonaki pea na'e mahino ai ta 'oku
'ikai ha le'o ia 'o taha.'oe kakai.Neongo 'ene pehe fktatau ki he'e
nau lau kuo 'ikai ngofua ke kei ngaue ae faifekau 'ihe vahenga lotu
Tonga ka koe visa talitali 'oku ne ma'u lolotonga heikai lava he'e
Uniting 'o ta'ofi 'ae faifekau 'ene ngaue ma'a mautolu kae 'oleva kuo
'osi 'ae fakamaau'anga tribunal 'i Sune.'Oku malanga fkme pea 'oku mau
toe ui ke malanga Sapate Fa'ee 'ia mautolu. They sponsor him for two
years only ignore him to continued working illegally for two whole
years. Now they come and kick him out me'a nii koe lotu lelei ia 'oku
tau taukave'i?Koe visa talitali 'ae faifekau koe feinga'i pe 'e
mautolu 'i tu'a.Ke tali kihe tribunal 'i Sune kae toki foki.Na'e lele
lelei pe vahenga lotu ia kapau na'e taki nofo hono tu'unga.'Ikai
'aonga sii 'emau kuata hoko pe koe fakamamahi 'uto.
malo Sami ngali pau ange visone 2016 ia......heheheheeee
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Sami Pakofe
On Monday, April 22, 2013, Sami Pakofe <sami...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Mou laulau atu ‘ena ,,mo tau sio aipe , kihe Kau Faifekau Fefine,,,,,
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Nau Taitusi AHOSIVI
On Apr 23, 2013, at 12:22 PM, kolo maile wrote:
Sepesi kuo 'osi fai 'ae me'a ka koia. Koe level kehe eni ka 'oku hiki kiai ' JH 'ae talanoa. Na'e fai 'ae Parish meeting 'ihe 'aho 16/12/2012 ' o sea ai 'a Kioa pea nau paasi ai ke kei lele pe he founga motu'a (omi faifekau mei Tonga) pea kaniseli ai 'ae 'ai Motolo fo'ou. But they still go ahead pe kinautolu 'ihe lolotonga koia 'o 'omai 'ae tohi ko ena.
Malo mu'a hono tokangaekina e issue 'o e Tonga Parish, pea ko 'etau tasilisili pe ke fkma'ala'ala ha ngaahi me'a 'e ala tokoni ki he langalanga talanoa meia Kolo.
Ko e Parish Tonga ko e vahenga ngaue ia 'o e Sydney Presbytery 'o e NSW Synod 'a e UCA, pea ko hono pule'i (govern) 'o e Parish Tonga 'oku ngaue'aki 'a e founga ngaue 'a e UCA. Ko e founga 'a e UCA ki hano ui ha faifekau 'oku 'iai hono process...
Ko hono ui 'a e faifekau 'o e Parish Tonga na'e bypass 'a e process angamaheni 'o e UCA ki hono ui ha faifekau ki ha fai'angalotu he ngaahi ta'u lahi kae kole fkhangatonu pe ki he Konifelenisi 'a e SUTT ki Tonga kenau 'omi ha faifekau ke tauhi 'a e Tonga Parish. Founga eni na'e ngaue'aki 'e he Metotisi NZ ki he ui faifekau ki he Auck-Manukau kimu'a pea nau liliu ki he 'enau process....
Ko e founga motu'a fkngata pe he 'osi 'a Wesley Tu'akoi 'a e kei fai'aki pe 'a e vahevahe 'a e Palesiteni 'o e SUTT 'o fktatau ki he fehikitaki 'a e Konifelenisi, pea ko e faifekau 'e ui ke hoko atu hono tauhi e Parish Tonga 'e fkfoki ki he process 'a e UCA ki he ui faifekau.
Malo
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Malo Kolo, 'oku ou lave'i pe, he ne fuoloa pe 'emau feohi mai mo e takanga 'i Taulangauu pea kuo 'ikai eni ke u toe lava ki ai, he kuo mama'o fau e feitu'u ne ofi he 80ss. mo e 90ss..talu e foki 'a Savinata moe 'ikai ke u toe fu'u loko lave'i ha me'a ki he Parish, ka e malo e kei mateaki.
Fokotu'u atu ketau tuki tautolu he Presbytery, Kolo fuoloa e taimi kemou Presbytery ke 'oua temou toe fakaongosia holo mo'etau ngahi fiema'u faifekauu...
Ko e fou mai pe 'a Kioa mei ha special call 'ae Parish, pe mei he Presbytery ki he Muliticultural Board 'ae Assembly ?
takamuli.
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Sepesi kuo 'osi fai 'ae me'a ka koia. Koe level kehe eni ka 'oku hiki kiai ' JH 'ae talanoa. Na'e fai 'ae Parish meeting 'ihe 'aho 16/12/2012 ' o sea ai 'a Kioa pea nau paasi ai ke kei lele pe he founga motu'a (omi faifekau mei Tonga) pea kaniseli ai 'ae 'ai Motolo fo'ou. But they still go ahead pe kinautolu 'ihe lolotonga koia 'o 'omai 'ae tohi ko ena.
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Fakamolemole atu... kapau kuo ngali 'osi 'iai ha femahino'aki..kataki he huu tomui he ko e toki mahino eni ia kiate au,ko Uaisele 'oku fai ki ai e talanoa..
sep...@optusnet.com.au
Ko e taukei 'a Simote, ne hoko ko e sekelitali fuoloa 'ae Kosilio 'a e ngahi Siasi, lelei mo 'ene tu'unga fakapolitikale he ko hotau Siasi ko e Siasi Fakapolitikale, kae fohe'uli fakalaumalie pee..
Ko e Faifekau ena 'e taha ne toki 'i heni 'a Fale Lomu, kae kaveinga 'aki 'etau folau ketau Presbytery,,,ko e ongo Faifekau ko eni te na lava 'o alea he level ko iaa..pea toe fakalaumalie foki...
takamuli
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Nau Taitusi AHOSIVI
Sepesi kuo 'osi fai 'ae me'a ka koia. Koe level kehe eni ka 'oku hiki kiai ' JH 'ae talanoa. Na'e fai 'ae Parish meeting 'ihe 'aho 16/12/2012 ' o sea ai 'a Kioa pea nau paasi ai ke kei lele pe he founga motu'a (omi faifekau mei Tonga) pea kaniseli ai 'ae 'ai Motolo fo'ou. But they still go ahead pe kinautolu 'ihe lolotonga koia 'o 'omai 'ae tohi ko ena.a tokolahi, sai ko Lief ena mo Nau, 'Alimoni, Maile Molitika ..
sep...@optusnet.com.au
Toe fakamolemole atu he kaunoa...
takamuli
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Nau Taitusi AHOSIVI
Nau Taitusi AHOSIVI
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Ne taau ke 'iai ha fakataukei he fakataha he'ikai lava 'e he Parish 'o ta'ofi e founga 'ae UCA , ka tenau lava kinautolu 'o ngaue lelei 'aki ha faingamalie kuo foaki mai ma'a nautolu...
Ne fefe ho'omou fakataha he Presbytery Nau , ne mahino e me'a ne 'uhinga ai 'ae 'ikai toe fiema'u e Faifekau ke nofo heni ??
Hange 'oku ma'a ange talanoa 'oku fai mei he UMC, MO e Metotisi NZ , he anga 'etau nofo ko e kakai TOnga he nghi Saisi 'i Muli, he 'uhinag ko eni 'oku 'ai ke foki ai 'ae Faifekau..
Kohai ne ne launga'i, pea ko e haa e me'a ne launga'i 'aki ???
takamuli
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Penisimani Mone
Malo Kolo e ngaue mei hena, 'ikai teu fu'u lave'i 'e au e fakaikiiki 'o e aleapau 'a e ongo Konii felave'i mo e me'a ni, ka 'oku kau mo au he 'ofeina si'i ta'okete faifekau mo hono famili 'i he tukunga 'oku lau ki ai e tohi mei he sea 'o e Vahengaa...'aaah!...ke hiki ki fee?...ke tauhi mei fee?...ke kei nofo fkalao feefee?..lau 'e auu ko hotau ta'okete 'a e UCA?...hei'ilo pe...., ka 'oku fai 'e he Koni henii e leleitaha ke malu, fkalao mo fakafiemalie 'a e ngaue mo e nofo 'a e kau faifekau UCA 'i he SUTT 'i Tonga nii..seuke!...na'a ko e 'inasi pe eni 'o e tu'aa...pea tala atu Kolo mo hamau 'ofa ki si'i tokoua faifekau na mo hono familii foki...
Sifa Hingano
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Nau Taitusi AHOSIVI
Me'a ena ne puli 'iate au Nau, kae ta a'oku tonu pe 'eku kohikohi atuu, neongo e kaunoa.
Ne taau ke 'iai ha fakataukei he fakataha he'ikai lava 'e he Parish 'o ta'ofi e founga 'ae UCA , ka tenau lava kinautolu 'o ngaue lelei 'aki ha faingamalie kuo foaki mai ma'a nautolu...
Ne fefe ho'omou fakataha he Presbytery Nau , ne mahino e me'a ne 'uhinga ai 'ae 'ikai toe fiema'u e Faifekau ke nofo heni ??
Hange 'oku ma'a ange talanoa 'oku fai mei he UMC, MO e Metotisi NZ , he anga 'etau nofo ko e kakai TOnga he nghi Saisi 'i Muli, he 'uhinag ko eni 'oku 'ai ke foki ai 'ae Faifekau..
Kohai ne ne launga'i, pea ko e haa e me'a ne launga'i 'aki ???
takamuli
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Mahalo na'a tokoni mai 'a Kolo ia heni, .. Na'e 'iai nai ha piliote/Teemi ngaue eg.. ta'u 1,2 3 pe nima ne Ui 'aki ki he tangata'eiki ki Tonga ke ha'u ai 'o ngaue heni, pe ko e ta'u pe 'e Ua ?
Nau ka 'oku 'iai pe ha'o 'ilo ki ai 'e tokoni ia ke ne fakavetevete 'eku ngahi mahalo mo kinautolu ne toki ofo hake he issue ko enii. Kuo to mai foki ki heni pea tetau feinga ke 'aonga 'ene too mai 'ae issue ni.
takamuli.
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eku huu tomui mai 'o lau e ngaahi posts, pea u kamata ke u 'eke pe ko hai e faifekau ko eni 'oku fai ki ai e laaulea! Toki 'ilo 'e au he lotu he Sapate, taa ko e faifekau 'a e Tonga Parish. Pea ko 'eku kauitalanoa atu 'a'aku ko eni, makatu'unga pe ia he 'osi 'eku lau e tohi ko ena kuo tuku mai 'e 'Atamai! Pea kuo 'osi faka'ataa mai pe ia 'e he taha na'a ne fai e tohi, ke 'ave hono tatau ki ha taha pe 'oku ne fiema'u ke ne lau. Neongo 'oku 'ikai ke tau memipa he Tonga Parish, ka 'e hange pe ko 'etau fa'a tlanoa kau ki Pulela'aa! Ko hotau kupu, pea ko e lavea e kupu 'e taha, 'oku uhu e langaa 'o uesia ai e sino kotoa! 'Oku faka'ofa e faifekau, faka'ofa ange mo e kaingalotu, ka koe me'anii ne te'eki ai ke nau 'ilo e ngata'anga 'o 'ene term! Ko ena kuo fakamahino mai he tohi ko Fepueli 2013, ko eni kuo mei 'osi 'a 'Epeleli, ko e tu'utu'uni leva 'ahai ke toe hoko atu? 'E ma'olunga ange e tu'utu'uni 'a e parish, or the sponsors (UCA)? Pea 'oku totonu ke tau ako 'i he'etau nofo he 'aatakai ko eni (diaspora) 'oku pule/malohi ange e me'a kuo hiki tohi, 'ikai ko e words of mouths! Kuo 'i ai ha documents ke poupou'i hano fakaloloa atu e nofo 'a e faifekau? Pea kapau 'oku 'i ai, ko hai ne fakamo'oni pe endorsed e documents/decisions ko ia? Kau koma he. 'Ofa atu, Sisilia.
Daphne Taukolonga
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Malo Kolo e ngaue mei hena, 'ikai teu fu'u lave'i 'e au e fakaikiiki 'o e aleapau 'a e ongo Konii felave'i mo e me'a ni, ka 'oku kau mo au he 'ofeina si'i ta'okete faifekau mo hono famili 'i he tukunga 'oku lau ki ai e tohi mei he sea 'o e Vahengaa...'aaah!...ke hiki ki fee?...ke tauhi mei fee?...ke kei nofo fkalao feefee?..lau 'e auu ko hotau ta'okete 'a e UCA?...hei'ilo pe...., ka 'oku fai 'e he Koni henii e leleitaha ke malu, fkalao mo fakafiemalie 'a e ngaue mo e nofo 'a e kau faifekau UCA 'i he SUTT 'i Tonga nii..seuke!...na'a ko e 'inasi pe eni 'o e tu'aa...pea tala atu Kolo mo hamau 'ofa ki si'i tokoua faifekau na mo hono familii foki...
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Nau,Malo kuo mahino.. toe malo mo e tauhi kuo fai 'e Kolo ko e kainga ia 'oku nau si'i 'ofa he tangata'eiki Faifekau,feima'u pe ha kakai pehe kenau tokanga'ie e kau tangata'eikai Faifekau 'oku fakapaea he fonua ni..... ko e lau 'a Sisilia 'oku ha mo'oni kiate au he mahino ne 'ikai kenau femahino'aki ..kuo u 'ataa au mei he tepile ni.
takamuli.
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Nau Taitusi AHOSIVI
Ko hoku ta'okete ko si'i 'ene kei tali ke mahino si'ene tribunal he kapau ne 'ikai palopalema ia kuo fuoloa 'ene foki 'ana ki Tonga Monu'iaa...
Kauvakaheu
Penisimani Mone
Malo Kauvakaheu, pea 'oku ke mo'oni...kae hangee pe ko 'eku lave ne fai atuu, 'oku 'ikai teu lave'i e fakaikiiki 'o e ngaahi aleapau he vaa 'o e ongo Konii he founga ngaue ni, e.g..., immi, term, work permit, who responsible to which, etc...ka ko e me'a kehe foki ia..
Ko e me'a 'oku ou tokanga au mo fehu'i ki aii 'a e tu'unga kuo a'u ki ai e faitu'utu'u 'a e sea e Presbytery Senee, pea ngali 'ikai ha le'o ai 'o e parish, pe SUTT Konii: e.g.
f The Presbytery is given to understand that Rev Tu’akoi is still residing in the manse. Unless specific permission is given by the Presbytery all ministerial entitlements cease at the end of a placement. Arrangements now need to be made for Rev Tu’akoi to vacate the manse immediately and return to Tonga...
...pea ko e fu'u 'uu fehu'ia lahi 'i he ki'i konga tohi pe ko enii pe...e.g..who give information to the Presbytery to understand?...who make the "now needed arrangements" to be made?...who bought and own the manse?...why "immediately" and not allowing a certain period of mercy?...ONLY the Presbytery's prerogative to give all permissions and not the Perish in some, like in this one?...does ministerial ministry really cease at the end of placement tenure?...what does the SUTT Conference say about this rather harsh treatment of one of her ministers by a Presbytery?...who says "...and return to Tonga?"...hangee na'e fai'aki e tohi ni ha loto taangiaa?...etc..etc...ko ia ai, mahalo ko 'ete fu'u lea/tohi..."..vacate the manse immediately.." mo 'ikai te te fakapapau'i ai e malu e nofo 'a e tokoua Faifekau muli (black/brown?) mo hono familii 'i he malumalu 'o hoto Presbytery, 'oku ngali fu'u unChristian uncivilise e fa'ahinga fetu'utaki tohi pehe naa he siasii pea te pole ai ke lau ai 'a mamani katoa...mannn!...kuo u pehee 'e au kuo fuoloa e 'osi atu e fakakaukau/pule/siolalo fakakoloniaa mei mamani...
Kae mo'oni ia, Kauvakaheu...taau pe ko e 'auhia 'a motu'a faanifo, mahalo na'a mo'ui mai pe...malo e ngaue mei hena, mo e 'ofa aipee...
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Malo Kolo... pea taa ne fakatau pe 'e he Tonga Perish 'a e UCA e manse mei he UCA pe, kae kei ma'u pe ia mo pule'i 'e he UCA/Prebytery?..and without any concern with the Perish Kauta's advise?....maaan!....someone is really making money out of poor people's religion...hangee ko 'eku lave atuu, Kolo...'ikai ko hotau ta'okete 'a e UCA?...ko nautolu na'a nau 'omi e lotuu mo e akoo, mo fekau'i mai 'a Molitonii, etc, mo tomu'a totongi e pulusi 'etau Tohitapu?...'isa, na'a kuo 'olokuonga 'ete misi ni 'apee?...
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Nau Taitusi AHOSIVI
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Malo Kolo...Ko e palopalema he taimi 'o Pauka (tulou moe Pekia) na'e 'omai ai 'e he Presbytery 'a faifekau Toa Finau ke fai 'a e consultation moe ngaahi fai'angalotu 'a e Tonga Parish. Takai holo e faifekau he ngaahi fai'angalotu 'a e Tonga Parish 'o nau potalanoa mo ia pea hili ko ia na'a ne fa'u 'ene lipooti pea fktu'u kiai mo ngaahi fale'i...kau ai hono vahevahe lalahi e Parish Tonga he 'oku fu'u tokolahi ke tauhi 'e he faifekau pe 'e taha.
Me'apango he ko 'ene ngaahi fktu'u na'e iku 'o 'ikai fkkakato ha me'a...
Ko e taha e palopalema 'o e Tonga Parish..ko 'enau memipa kakato he UCA kae 'ikai muimui he founga pule 'a e UCA...pea koe 'uhinga ia 'oku lahi ai e kau hala kehekehe.
Moe 'ofa
Kauvakaheu
Penisimani Mone
Malo Kauvakaheu e fakamahino mai...
Ki'i me'a pe eni 'oku ki'i ta'emahino pe...kapau na'e tomu'a ma'u 'e he UCA/Presbytery 'a e manse, ko e haa ne nau toe fakatau atu ai e manse ko iaa ki he'enau Tonga Perish aipe, he ko ena 'oku kei lesisita tatau aipe ia he'enau owned property? 'Ikai ne mei totonu ke nau 'aonge tau'ataina pe ke nofo ai 'enau Faifekau Perish Tongaa 'o hangee pe ko ha toe faifekau kehe he presbytery, pea nau kei laione pule'i mo e taimi ke leave the manse immediately ai ha taha?...maann!...hangee pe nai ko ho'o lavee...taimi ke laione aii pea fakatau 'api mai ia, pea ko e taimi ke kaikoa aii, pea ala ia ki he policy...Kauvakaheu, SUTT and UCA are brothers with lots of compromises, not really are commercial companies of legal entities, and you know it....
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On Apr 24, 2013, at 9:21 AM, kolo maile wrote:
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Me'ai lelei pe 'e he Presbytery/Synod homou tu'utu'uni ke ngata pe he term ta'u 4 ha faifekau mei Tonga 'o 'ikai toe fkloloa. Fk'osi'osi 'o e term ta'u 4 'a e faifekau pea mou toe fehangahangai pe mo homou tu'utu'uni. 'Ikai ko homou le'o ia na'e fkha ki he presbytery/synod ke ta'u 4 pe 'o 'ikai toe fkloloa he taimi na'e 'osi 'a S.Moala?
Kauvakaheu
Nau Taitusi AHOSIVI
Malo Kauvakaheu e fakamahino mai...
Ki'i me'a pe eni 'oku ki'i ta'emahino pe...kapau na'e tomu'a ma'u 'e he UCA/Presbytery 'a e manse, ko e haa ne nau toe fakatau atu ai e manse ko iaa ki he'enau Tonga Perish aipe, he ko ena 'oku kei lesisita tatau aipe ia he'enau owned property? 'Ikai ne mei totonu ke nau 'aonge tau'ataina pe ke nofo ai 'enau Faifekau Perish Tongaa 'o hangee pe ko ha toe faifekau kehe he presbytery, pea nau kei laione pule'i mo e taimi ke leave the manse immediately ai ha taha?...maann!...hangee pe nai ko ho'o lavee...taimi ke laione aii pea fakatau 'api mai ia, pea ko e taimi ke kaikoa aii, pea ala ia ki he policy...Kauvakaheu, SUTT and UCA are brothers with lots of compromises, not really are commercial companies of legal entities, and you know it....
2013/4/24 Nau Taitusi AHOSIVI <hos...@bigpond.com>
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Kalolo Fihaki
Malo ‘aupito Tasilisili ,
‘Oku ou tui ko e fa’ahinga attitude eni ‘oku ma’u ‘e he tokolahi ‘oku tupunga ai ‘a e palopalema ‘o e femotumotu’aki ‘a e ngaahi siasi ‘I muli ni. ‘Oku ‘ikai ko e vete’anga ‘o e palopalema ko e mavahe ‘o ‘alu kitu’a. Kau takilotu ‘o e tepile ni mou fai ‘a e fale’i ‘oku lelei taha mo fakapotopoto taha ke tuha mo e taki ki he kakai mo e lotu. Ko ho’o mou pea kotoa pe mo e na’e ‘oku mou manava’aki ‘oku ‘uhinga’i ia ‘e he tokolahi. Fale’i ma’u pe ke tuha mo e takilotu lelei.
Malo mo e ‘ofa lahiatu K Fihaki… Fuakava Ta’engata ‘o Kenani, Otahuhu
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2013/4/23 kolo maile <kolo...@hotmail.com>
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Jesus" - Anonymous 1st Century Preacher (aka "Hebrews")
Sifa Hingano
Sifa Higano, Pastor, Genesis UMC
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On Apr 26, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Sifa Hingano wrote:
> Oku ou fakamalo atu au kia Ahosivi he'ene tali e fo'i fehu'i kotoa pe moe fakaanga , koe fakaanga koe me'a lelei he 'oku ne fakatupu e talanoa ke loloto ange mo ma'u meiai e mahino 'e tolonga.
Malo faifekau, pea ko e ngaahi fkfehu'i 'oku ou mahu'inga'ia ke tali 'aki pe 'a e policy fkngaue 'a e siasi. He'ikai lava 'e he policy 'o fklelu e loto kotoa pe pea 'oku natula pehee pe ha me'a 'oku fktokolahi.
He'ikai toka ai pe loa 'o tu'uloa, ka 'e vave ni ha'ane tolona neongo 'e tulungia ai ha ni'ihi.
moe 'ofa
Kauvakaheu
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Mou Fakapapau'i temou mea'i 'i he ngahi level 'ae founga 'o'enau fetu'utaki mo e kakai 'oe Siasi.
Koe founga kuo nau fokotu’u ke fai ‘aki ‘ae ngaahi “wider conversations” ‘oku peheni:
a) E Fakaafe’i ha kau Faifekau mei he Siasi ke nau kau mai he ngaahi conversations ko eni fekau’aki moe nofo Mali.
b) E fokotu’u ha ngaahi fakataha ‘ihe ngaahi Synodi moe Presbyetry ke nau kau mai he ngaahi fakataha ko eni
c) E fai ‘ae fakataha ‘ae Assembly moe ngaahi SEA ‘oe ngaahi konifelenisi (National conferences) oe matakali kehekehe ke fai ha’a nau lau kihe issue ko eni
d) Pea koe lava ‘oe ngaahi fakataha ko eni te nau feinga leva ke fa’u ha ngaahi statements mo ha executive summary ke ‘ave koe report pea moe proposal to the next assembly.
Kemou fakapapau'i 'e 'ave homou le'o ke a'u ki he ngahi level, pea ke faka'eke e kau Faifekau 'i homou nghi fai'angalotu, pehe ki he kau taki he ngahi Konifelenisi fakamatakali 'i he Siasi, tenau 'ave homou le'o 'o 'ikai ko 'enau ngahi view pe 'anautolu. Mou 'eke ma'u pe pe kuo a'u atu e Komiti ngaue ki he issue ko eni ko e kau Faifekau 'e toko 5, pea ko honau takimu'a ai ko e Palesiteni Malolo 'ae Siasi na'ane taukave'i 'ae liliu e tokateline 'ae UCA.
Kainga Tonga, ko 'ene fai ke lahi ange 'etau fanongo ki he issue ko eni ko 'ene fai pe ia ke tukunoa'i hono mahu'inga ke hufua ki he 'Eiki, ka 'oku ou fakamanatu he 'oku tau kei ma'u e mo'ui,ke 'alo'aofa 'ae 'Eiki 'o fakahaohi si'otau ngahi famili mei he faka'otuamate , 'oku tofanga ai 'a mamani pea monuka ai hono Sino ha mai. Ke fakahaofi mu'a 'a 'Aositelelia 'i fou mai he ngahi matakali pea ki he kakai 'oe Founa ni 'oku nau kei tui mo falala ki he faka tangata mo fefine 'ae 'Otua,hono kei mahu'inga ketau pipiki ke kei mali e tangata mo fefine.
Takamuli.
Tuifua, Talanoa
Faifekau Sifa Hingano,
Kataki he fiematamu’a atu ka koe fakamanatu pe si’i koniseti ‘a Tupou High School ‘e fai mai ki homau Hall FUMC Palo Alto, 623 Hamilton Avenue, Palo Alto he taimi 2:00pm. Fakamolemole kapau ‘oku afe atu e fakamanatu ni ‘o mama’o fau mei ho’o polokalama…
Ofa atu kia Mele moe fanau,
Miss Noa
Penisimani Mone
Malo Miss Noa e fakamanatu mo fakaongo e ngaahi fatongia e sia ko mo'ui'aongaa hena...ka mou fiemalie pe...'e lava atu 'a e Faifekau mo e vahenga Genesis 'o 'ai ha'anau tau'olunga...taa mai ha fasi 'o Sifa mo e vahenga Genesis!, kuo fakatekiteki mai ko e $1.000...'ai 'ai...'aaah!...maaliee ai...
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Sifa Higano, Pastor, Genesis UMC
Malo Miss Noa e fakamanatu mo fakaongo e ngaahi fatongia e sia ko mo'ui'aongaa hena...ka mou fiemalie pe...'e lava atu 'a e Faifekau mo e vahenga Genesis 'o 'ai ha'anau tau'olunga...taa mai ha fasi 'o Sifa mo e vahenga Genesis!, kuo fakatekiteki mai ko e $1.000...'ai 'ai...'aaah!...maaliee ai...
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2013/4/27 Tuifua, Talanoa <Talanoa...@cityofpaloalto.org>
Faifekau Sifa Hingano,
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Kataki he fiematamu�a atu ka koe fakamanatu pe si�i koniseti �a Tupou High School �e fai mai ki homau Hall FUMC Palo Alto, 623 Hamilton Avenue, Palo Alto he taimi 2:00pm.� Fakamolemole kapau �oku afe atu e fakamanatu ni �o mama�o fau mei ho�o polokalama�
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Ofa atu kia Mele moe fanau,
Miss Noa
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From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sifa Hingano
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:44 PM
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Oku ou fakamalo atu au kia Ahosivi he'ene tali e fo'i fehu'i kotoa pe moe fakaanga , koe fakaanga koe me'a lelei he 'oku ne fakatupu e talanoa ke loloto ange mo ma'u meiai e mahino 'e tolonga.Ko kimautolu ko'eni 'oku ngaue kihe kau muli 'oku fa'a tukuaki'i 'oku mau hehema tokua kihe kau muli. Ka kemou 'ilo'ia mai 'ae taukave moe feinga ma'a ho'otau kakai. Hangee koe lau 'a Ahosivi pea koe me'a tatau heni 'ae me'a koe li'aki fakataha,li'aki workshop,li'aki Konifelenisi, oo ia 'o faikava 'aho ia pea toki omai ia 'o mohe fiu he 'u hotele 'oku totongi 'e honau siasi, pea toki oo ia 'o alea'i e pisinisi 'ae siasi he faikava kae lia'aki e fakataha ia.'Oku hanu ma'u pe kau muli he'enau omi kihe fakataha ke alea'i ha me'a ke tokoni kihotau kakai pea 'asi ange pe tokotaha pe tokoua. Kae oo ia kihe faikava pe lalo 'akau 'o toki alea'i ai e me'a 'ae siasi.� Koe ongo taha,koe kau lia'aki fakataha,ko kinautolu ia e kau fakaanga lalahi taha mo 'ave hala e ngaahi talanoa pea toki tui kiai e kau paipa ia.
Sifa Higano,Pastor, Genesis UMCOn 4/25/2013 4:17 PM, Kalolo Fihaki wrote:
Malo �aupito Tasilisili ,
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�Oku ou tui ko e fa�ahinga attitude eni �oku ma�u �e he tokolahi �oku tupunga ai �a e palopalema �o e femotumotu�aki �a e ngaahi siasi �I muli ni. �Oku �ikai ko e vete�anga �o e palopalema ko e mavahe �o �alu kitu�a. Kau takilotu �o e tepile ni �mou fai �a e fale�i ��oku lelei taha mo fakapotopoto taha ke tuha mo e taki ki he kakai mo e lotu. Ko ho�o mou pea kotoa pe mo e na�e �oku mou manava�aki �oku ��uhinga�i ia ��e he tokolahi. Fale�i ma�u pe ke tuha mo e takilotu �lelei.
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Malo mo e �ofa lahiatu K Fihaki� Fuakava Ta�engata �o Kenani, Otahuhu
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Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 8:28 a.m.
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Kolo,
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'Oku kei malohi pe fai mai 'a e UCA ko ho'omou kei pipiki ki ai. 'Oku ou ongo'i 'oku 'i ai 'a e fakaehaua mo e ta'etoka'i 'i he tohi ni, pea 'oku 'ikai totonu ke tau kei nofo atu ki he palangi na, ke ne pehe'i hotau fa'ahinga.
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Kuo 'ikai nai 'i ai ha fakakaukau 'a 'Osai mo kimoutolu kau Tonga 'i he Parish, he kuo 'osi taimi ke mou fetukutuku kitu'a mei he fa'ahinga fakaehaua kuo fuoloa hono fai mai 'e he Uniting? Tuku atu 'enau koloa 'anautolu, he 'oku te'eki ke masiva e kakai 'a e 'Eiki.
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Kuo 'ikai nai 'i ai ha taha te ne lava ke 'ave e me'a ko ena ki he Fakamaau'anga ke fakatonutonu mei ai? 'E iku 'o 'ofa ange e Pule'anga he kau assylum seekers ko ena 'oku 'ave 'o tauhilelei he ngaahi feitu'u kehekehe, he fe'ofa'aki fakalotu na'e totonu ke 'asilahi he Siasi.
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Fokotu'u atu Kolo, mou oo 'o fai ha ngaue ke malu'i'aki e totonu 'a e tangata'eiki faifekau Tonga, ke 'oua 'e ha'u e palangi vale ko ena (hufanga atu he fakatapu) 'o tamoloki holo pe kitautolu hange ha kakai ta'e'atamai (hufanga atu he fakatapu).
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Fakamolemole atu pe kau Tasilisili mo kimoutolu 'oku nofo he Parish Tonga, ka kuo huu mai kiate au ha 'italahi 'aupito he palangi ko ena ne ne tohi pehe mai, he hange 'oku fa'ifa'iteliha pe ia si'etau tangata'eiki faifekau 'o 'ikai ha toka'i 'e taha.�
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Ko e tangatamo'ui pe mo Rev Uesile Tu'akoi, 'oku 'i ai 'ene totonu mo hono famili ki ha feitu'u malu ke nofo ai pea fai ai hano tauhi 'e he Siasi Uniting, 'o a'u ki ha taimi 'e toki faingamalie ke foki mai ai ki Tonga ni. Ko e fatongia ia 'o e Uniting ke nau fai e me'a ko ia. Kae 'oua 'e tuli pehe'i ki hala, he 'oku 'ikai ko Tonga ena ke si'i faingamalie ha feitu'u.
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Kolo, pea toki tala atu hoku 'ofa lahi ki si'i ta'okete faifekau na.
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2013/4/23 kolo maile <kolo...@hotmail.com>
Malo Lou koe loto 'oe kuata ke nofo 'ae faifekau 'ihe 'api nofo'anga kae 'oua leva ke lava 'ae tribunal ka kuo nau overrule 'e nautolu ia ke fai mo mavahe 'ihe 'aho 30/04/2013 kae 'ataa e 'api ia.Koia ' fksio ha feitu'u ke si'i hiki kiai.Mo'oni pe palangi ia pea mo'oni pe Vahenga Lotu Tonga koe maumau 'oku hoko pe 'i loto. Sai pe ngaahi siasi kehe ia (siasi tonga) 'ikai 'ilo pe koe ha kuo tau palopalema pehe ai.
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vakai'i atu 'a Daphne mo e Sioeli Mission ki he fengaue'aki mo e parish tonga ki he tukunga ko 'eni. malo e tokoni mo e ngaue kolo ki si'i kainga na.
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 4:35 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: TPLetter210313[1][1]
Sami na'e lava lelei 'ae fktaha he Tokonaki pea na'e mahino ai ta 'oku
'ikai ha le'o ia 'o taha.'oe kakai.Neongo 'ene pehe fktatau ki he'e
nau lau kuo 'ikai ngofua ke kei ngaue ae faifekau 'ihe vahenga lotu
Tonga ka koe visa talitali 'oku ne ma'u lolotonga heikai lava he'e
Uniting 'o ta'ofi 'ae faifekau 'ene ngaue ma'a mautolu kae 'oleva kuo
'osi 'ae fakamaau'anga tribunal 'i Sune.'Oku malanga fkme pea 'oku mau
toe ui ke malanga Sapate Fa'ee 'ia mautolu. They sponsor him for two
years only ignore him to continued working illegally� for two whole
years. Now they come and kick him out me'a nii koe lotu lelei ia 'oku
tau taukave'i?Koe visa talitali 'ae faifekau koe feinga'i pe 'e
mautolu 'i tu'a.Ke tali kihe tribunal 'i Sune kae toki foki.Na'e lele
lelei pe vahenga lotu ia kapau na'e taki nofo hono tu'unga.'Ikai
'aonga sii 'emau kuata hoko pe koe fakamamahi 'uto.
malo Sami ngali pau ange visone 2016 ia......heheheheeee
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"Let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to
Jesus" - Anonymous 1st Century Preacher (aka "Hebrews")
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Tevita Finau
'o'etau mamata ki he tohi pe 'e taha, kae 'ikai ki he failee kakato.
Ko e ha 'a e taumu'a hono 'omai ai 'a e tohi pe 'e taha? Na'e tonu nai
ke 'omai 'a e tohi ni ki hotau fale ni?
Mou 'uta ange ki he ngaahi tohi 'e fiha mo e ngaahi fekau meimei tatau
pehe na 'oku fetaulaki mo hotau kakai he 'aho ki he 'aho.
Me'a nii na'e 'ikai mea'i ia 'ehe Faifekauu mo e Parish mo e
Palesiteni/Sekelitali Lahi/Sekelitali Fetu'utaki SUTT 'a e 'aho
faka'osi 'o e faifatongia 'a e Faifekau Pule pea nau fai ha tu'utu'uni
'o teuteu ki he foki.
Ko e ha nai 'a e taimi totonu mo e 'u me'a na'e totonu ke fai koe'uhii
ke 'oua 'e a'u ki he tribunal 'a e me'a ko 'eni fekau'aki mo e nofo
atu 'a e faifekau? Pe na'a ko e palanii pe 'ena ia ke nofo atu pe kae
kumi taimi 'aki 'a e feinga ki he Tribunal?
Ko hai 'oku longo pe kae tuku ke vaatau mo fetuhu'aki e kakai? Ko e
melino mo e nofo-fe'ofo'ofa ni 'a hai 'oku feilaulau'i he me'a 'oku
hoko ni? Ko e 'osi 'a e katoanga ni pea ko hai 'e fie nofo hifo ke
tufi e veve, fakamaau mo fakama'opo'opo e kakai, mo faito'o kinautolu
'oku kafo? Ko e fie'ilo pe, neongo 'oku 'ikai mavivi ha me'a ia he
fai fatongia atu mei heni. 'Ofa atu, tfinau
Sifa Hingano
tautolu katoa pea kuo fai e feinga,'ihe ngaahi Konifelenisi muli ke
"more inclusive" e siasi 'ihe ngaahi tapa kehekehe 'o a'u kihe koloa moe
mafai. 'Oku teu ke toe 'a'ahi atu 'ae Pisope Cal-Nev UMC Conf. ke fai e
fepotalanoa'aki moe Palesiteni, Sekelitali 'i Tonga, mahalo moe
Palesiteni 'a NZ mo Oz koe fekumi ai pe kiha ngaahi founga ke langa hake
Sino Hamai 'oe 'Eiki mohono Pule'anga. Pea 'oku kei lahi 'anoa pe ngaue
ia 'oku totonu ketau fai 'ehe kau faifekau moe siasi fakakolo. Koe
fakakaukau mahu'inga mo'oni 'eni 'oku 'omai 'ehe Faifekau Pule 'o
Northshore,NZ oku totonu ketau ako mei ai, pea koe fo'i tuputamaki 'a
Dr.Palu 'oku ne fafangu kitautolu ketau agree mo disagree,pea 'oku ne
pole'i 'a Ahosivi mo 'enau tafa'aki ke 'omi ki loto 'a 'enau ngaahi
policy fekau'aki moe issue ni. 'Oku totonu pe foki ketau tau'aki sio
hifo na'a 'oku ai ha tafa'aki 'oku totonu ke toe saupulu ihe ngaahi
policy 'a muli moe founga 'a Tonga 'oku nau ngaue'aki. Teu ngata hee he
'oku fai 'eku ta'o pinati pea 'oku namu lelei mai.
Sifa Higano,
Pastor, Genesis UMC
Ikani Fakasiieiki
Daphne Taukolonga
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b) The Rev Tu’akoi’s is no longer officially a minister under the discipline of the Uniting Church and therefore it is no longer appropriate for him to be exercising ministry or to be participating in Parish life. It must be made clear that there are legal issues to do with employment and insurance, in addition to the obvious pastoral and spiritual concerns, that make it imperative that he ceases from exercising any ministry responsibility in the life of the Tonga Parish;
-------------Te manatu ai kita he fa'ahinga tohi pehe nii ki hono ta'ofi 'e he Siasi 'Ingilanii 'a John Wesley mei ha'ane toe tokoni fkalaumalie 'i ha toe Parish pe 'i hono siasii...taa ko eni 'oku toe fai pe 'i hono siasii...maannn!
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Tevita Finau
b) The Rev Tu’akoi’s is no longer officially a minister under the
discipline of the Uniting Church and therefore it is no longer appropriate
for him to be exercising ministry or to be participating in Parish life. It
must be made clear that there are legal issues to do with employment and
insurance, in addition to the obvious pastoral and spiritual concerns, that
'Ingilanii 'a John Wesley mei ha'ane toe tokoni fkalaumalie 'i ha toe
Parish pe 'i hono siasii...taa ko eni 'oku toe fai pe 'i hono
siasii...maannn!
Malo Fakapulia., pea 'e 'aonga 'aupito ke tau ma'u mo e ngaahi
fetohi'aki kimu'a pea a'u ki he tohi "fefeka" ko'ena 'oku ke quote. Ko
e pehee mai "no longer appropriate for him to be exercising ministry
or to be participating in Parish life." ko e fu'u me'a fakalilifu ia
he 'oku 'uhinga ia ko e 'ikai nofua ke ne toe fai ha malanga pe ha
ngaue 'i loto he parish., kau ai e 'u me'a ko 'ena na'e fakalau mai
kuo ui pe fili ia ke ne fakahoko.
'Oku tau 'ofeina kotoa pe 'a si'i faifekau mo si'ono famili. 'Oku
'ikai te u tui au 'e a'u ki he tuukunga 'o e tohi ko enaa te'eki ha
me'a kiai 'a e Palesiteni mo e Sekelitali Lahi 'i Tonga. 'Oku ou tui
au he'ikai te na tukunoa'i ta'e fai ha me'a ma'ae faifekau ni mo hono
familii te'eki a'u ia ki he tohi ko eni kuo velohi mai ki hotau paenga
ni.
Koia ai 'oku 'ikai ha'aku lau 'a'aku, ngata he ngaahi fehu'i pe kuo u
'ohake koe'uhi ko e 'ikai lava ke u ma'u ha fakamatala lahi ange, mo
ha ngaahi tohi kimu'a mo kimui mai. 'Oku fakatu'utamaki ke u fai pe
ha'aku lave 'o makatu'unga pe ha veesi folofola pe 'e taha, pe vahe pe
'e taha kae 'ikai ma'u 'a e puipuitu'a mo e 'aatakai 'o e me'a na'e pe
'oku hoko. tfinau
Saikolone Taufa
'eni hono fituu, tetau lava ai pe 'o 'ilo 'ae 'u tohi kimu'a. Ko e SUTT oku
ui pe 'ehe Palesiteni 'ene fehikitaki pea hiki 'ikai toe taungutu atu, kae
a'u 'eni ki he tohi 'e tahaafe moe kei taungutu atu pe. Koe palopalema
faka-attitude 'eni ia (hange koe lau 'a Daphne), 'o 'ikai koha palopalema
faka-founga-ngaue pea mahalo koe me'a ia 'oku totonu ke tomu'a talanoa'i
ee.. moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone
Faka'osi Maama
'Oku 'ikai ke toe fiema'u ia ketau lau 'ae 'u tohi kimu'a he kapau koe tohi 'eni hono fituu, tetau lava ai pe 'o 'ilo 'ae 'u tohi kimu'a. Ko e SUTT oku ui pe 'ehe Palesiteni 'ene fehikitaki pea hiki 'ikai toe taungutu atu, kae a'u 'eni ki he tohi 'e tahaafe moe kei taungutu atu pe. Koe palopalema faka-attitude 'eni ia (hange koe lau 'a Daphne), 'o 'ikai koha palopalema faka-founga-ngaue pea mahalo koe me'a ia 'oku totonu ke tomu'a talanoa'i ee.. moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone
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b) The Rev Tu’akoi’s is no longer officially a minister under the discipline of the Uniting Church and therefore it is no longer appropriate for him to be exercising ministry or to be participating in Parish life. It must be made clear that there are legal issues to do with employment and insurance, in addition to the obvious pastoral and spiritual concerns, that make it imperative that he ceases from exercising any ministry responsibility in the life of the Tonga Parish;
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Te manatu ai kita he fa'ahinga tohi pehe nii ki hono ta'ofi 'e he Siasi 'Ingilanii 'a John Wesley mei ha'ane toe tokoni fkalaumalie 'i ha toe Parish pe 'i hono siasii...taa ko eni 'oku toe fai pe 'i hono siasii...maannn!
Nau Taitusi AHOSIVI
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Iki Pope
Kauvakaheu fei mo fakamahino ki he Parish Tonga kuo ‘osi lalahi fe’unga ‘ae kau faifekau kuo teu’i hena ke tokanga’i mo pukepuke e ngaue hena; Lone
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mo tuku atu a si'ono lohiaki'i e 'Imi Lone ē...ha ku 'ai ke pehe ai e polofesini ia ko e Faifekau ?, 'ikai toe pehe kau 'Amipasitoa ia, kau Consultants, kau Faiako, kau toli fo'i'akau etc....nau fakatatau ki he aleapau pe terms of references.
Lau 'e au ko e lakanga 'eni (Faifekau) ke ta sipinga ki ai ha toe fa'ahinga polofesini pe ?
Ka ko 'api 'eni Lone (Siueli e Pasifiki Suate), lolotonga utu e 'ū ma'ala he taimi ni mo e mei 'oku fua tavale pe ia 'o 'ikai toe 'ai to'ukai ia he taimi ni he ngaue 'a e Global warming, lolo'i e kaumeile hina mo e la'ipele he ve'e tapuni e kulo, 'o kiki 'aki ha faikakai mei, 'osi toho malie ia mo e 'ū dish laulotaha 'o Senee.
Niuleka
Malie niuleka mooni e lau ‘a siale vaka ‘i he ‘en faka’uhinga ki he kii hiva na’e ‘iloa pe ko e “fou ki ‘api”...ko e nonga mo e fiemalie ‘ouaaa ma’a lahi atu niu leka
Sami Pakofe
Tohi, ki Loto,, ke tau sio mo vakai kiai,
Koe fehu'ii ne ha'u kiate au ihe 'eku lau 'ae Tohi .
Koe ha koaa Kuo pehe ai pe 'ae Kau faifekau moe kakai 'oe SUTT ihe
ngaahi potungaue 'i Muli ni ?
Koe fehu'ii ia ketau vakai kiai, 'oua leva 'te tau hanga atu 'o
kaikaila'ii e Uniting moe Sinoti, katau 'uluaki vaka'ii ki tautolu
mo'etau Kau Ngaue ( Faifekau) pe koe ha koaa e me'a oku tau pehee ai ?
Koe tali kiai oku fu'u faingofua 'aupito , 'aupito 'aupito 'aupito /////////
'osi pe hoto taimi 'oua toe fakaongoongo kihe lau 'ae Kakai, kate Foki
kihe Konifelenisi ....'o hoko atu 'ae ngaue ..
Koe tu'u he taimi ni, kuo fakakaukau e Kakai ia tenau faitu'utu'uni pe
kinuatolu kiha me'a tenau loto kiai, kae hili koia oku 'iai e
tu'utu'uni kuo 'osi fai kihe Faifekau, koe ta'u e 2 , 3 pe 4 'osi pe
koe foki ia...
Kuo monuka leva e ngaue 'ae Palesiteni, kihe 'ene fehikitaki, he kuo
'ikai ke kei fakaongo ange ekau ngaue ia, ka kuo nau fakaongo
kinautolu kihe kakai.........
malo Nau e fakamahino lelei e procedures moe system 'oku ngaue 'aki
'ehe uniting heni,,,
,kae sai pe, katau vakai he 'e hange koe lau 'ae ki'ii leka inukava,
ko'ena tenau toe mapaki, hhhhhhhh..
Kau Tasilisili koe fehu'ii moe me'a oku tonu ketau tokonga kiai pe
;;;;;;;; Koe haa koaa, kuo makafokafo ai e sino 'oe
'Eiki..........???????????
koe vakai pe kihe feleleaki 'ae 'aho..
sami.
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Penisimani Mone
Malo Kauvakaheu e fakamahino, kau lelei ia ke ne ki'i soften mo hamonaise mai e tohii..fa'a pehee mai ha tohi..."..it is no longer appropriate for him...or participating in Parish life..." etc., 'e fa'a 'uhinga nai ia ke tuku mai e excommunicatioo kae fai atu ia mahalo ki hono tuli 'aupito e faifekauu mei he'ene memipa he siasii...'okapau 'oku 'i ai ha mafai pehee hotau siasii...
Mau fiefia noa atu pe he tokolahi hotau kainga Tonga 'oku mou fkakaungatamaki fakafaifekau mai mei he UCA...'aaah!..mahino ai 'etau fononga holo pe e Tongaa 'i ha feitu'u pe 'o mamani mo 'ene mata'ikoloa ko e Lotu Folofola. Kataki pe 'alaa ka kuo le'olahi ha fu'u "maannn" he 'oku mou mea'i pe 'etau kaungaa ongo'i fakatokoua fakafaifekau....pea 'ikai fu'u mahino ia ki he tokolahi.
Mahalo pe na'a tokoni::
1) mahalo Na'e fa'u e Perish Tongaa 'e he kau matu'a 'o e ongo siasii 'i he taimi ko iaa 'i he visione ke kei lava pe 'e he kainga Tongaa Perish 'o fili ha'anau faifekau mei he UCA pe mei he SUTT, kae 'ikai ko e UCA 'ata'ataa pe. Na'e ki'i treat makehe nai ai e Tonga Parish (as other ethnic churches?) mei he toenga e UCA on Christian ethnic ground. Mahalo 'oku kei nofo ai 'a e tokolahi e Tonga Perish, pea ha pe nai ia he paloti 'a e Kuataa, kae 'ikai ko e Prebitery (ne 'osi fai e lave ki he matavaivai 'o e founga Presbitery ke fkaofiofi ai ki he loto 'o e Tonga Parish, pea 'oku 'ikai ala tukuaki'i 'ata'ataa pe ia ki ha matavaivai 'a e kau fakafofonga mei he Tonga Parish).
2) Ko hano 'ilo'i pe kuo pe kuo taimi ke ta'ofi aa ke toe 'omi ha faifekau mei he SUTT 'i Tongaa, ko e Fakataha Kuataa pe mahalo 'e paloti 'o tau ala 'ilo ai, 'okapau 'oku kumi mo'oni ki he loto 'o e Tonga Parish ki he'enau leleii. Kapau 'e 'ikai toe dialogue e UCA mo e Kuataa kae faitu'tu'uni pe ia he Presbytery, pau pe 'e malohi pe Presbytery he ko hono jurisdiction, ka na'a fononga aipe ha kau Selemaia mo faka'anaua...
3) Kapau kuo toe loto e Tonga Parish ke ne toe review ha'ane tu'utu'uni ki he anga 'ene fehikitakii 'o kehe mei ha'amou/ha'anau tu'uni ki mu'a, ko e ha ha'ane fu'u maumau fau ke tau fakaai 'o 'ikai ha fakafefeka ai ke 'oua? Kehe ke kei fai fiefia mo fiemalie 'enau lotu he loto Parish 'o e UCA. Mahalo This is more shepherding then politics.
4) 'e lelei ke feinga'i e visa ngaue 'a e faifekau mei Tongaa ke ofiofi pe hono ma'uu 'i 'Aokosi 'a ia 'oku fehiktaki ai e Koni SUTT. 'Oku ui 'ene fehikitakii 'i Me/Sune pea tuli ki ai 'i 'Aokosi. Ka 'okapau 'e toki ma'u ia hena ki Fepueli he ta'u hokoo, 'a ia 'e ava e fatongiaa mei 'Aug - Feb 'i mu'a, pea toe ava mei Mar - ? 'i mui he fehikitaki kotoa pe mei Tonga ni, hangee nai ko e fehikitaki 'e 3 fakamuimui.Tukukehe kapau na'e 'ai pe ia ke fu'u fuoloa hono process e visaa. Na'a vave ange ke process e visaa 'e he Tonga Parish kae toki endorse pe 'e he Presbytery?
5) kapau ko e 'ai ke fakangaue'i pe hena 'etau kau faifekau kuo 'osi teu'i 'e he UCA, pea ko e fakakaukau lelei ia, pea 'oku lolotonga 'ataa pe ia he founga lolotongaa, ka ko e fili foki ia 'a e Tonga Perish 'o 'ikai te tau fakamalohi'i ke nau fai pehee.
...Kataki pe he fakahelaa, Kauvakaheu ka 'oku fa'a fakahela pehee 'a e "Fafanga 'eku fanga sipi," pea 'oku tau 'ilo kotoa pe ki ai, he 'oku fa'a fakahela kae iku pe ki ha fu'u lelei...malo e ngaue pea mau 'ofa atu aipe..
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'Oku ou ongo'i pe Kauvakaheu mo e toenga koeni 'i Down Under pea mo e Sea 'o e Sydney Presbytery. He 'ikai ke mou si'i mai pe koeha 'eku fakakaukau ho'omou tu'utu'uni pe 'a e Presbytery mo kimoutolu ke 'oatu 'emau faifekau ke le'ole'o 'o fai e ngaue mo e komiti koeni kuo mou fokotu'u. Kae 'ikai mu'a ke mou fakalea mai Fatai mo e kaingalotu 'o Mascot kuo mau kole ki ho'omou faifekau ke tokoni mai 'o fai e fatongia koeni. He ko kimaulotu 'oku mau si'i fua e vahenga e Faifekau, hono nofo'anga 'utu 'ene me'a lele etc.etc. Pea toe ta'omia pe 'i si'oku tehina ke ne talaatu ke 'oua leva ke ha'u ke mau talanoa. Toki talamai pe kuo 'osi ho'omou fai tu'utu'uni. Kou tui pe Kauvakaheu ka ko ha ui eni koe he'ikai te ke tafoki hake pe 'o tali ta'e te ke fakaha ki ho'o fai'angalotu he ko e kau papalangi ia. Pea ko e me'a ia 'oku 'ikai ai teu kauhalataha mo e Presbytery ko 'enau fa'ifa'iteliha pehe mai. Kou tui kapau ko e fai'angalotu papalangi eni he'ikai te nau fai pehee. Koia Kauvakaheu mo e kau faifekau Tonga 'i Aust. mou toe tokanga ange mu'a he 'oku lahi faufau e ng. me'a 'oku ou faka'amu ke tau femahino'aki ai he'etau ngaue mo e kau Papalangi. 'Oku 'iai e me'a 'oku fiema'u ke mou fakataukei'i 'a e UCA fekau'aki mo 'etau ngaue mo kimautolu. 'Oku 'ikai teu faifekau pea 'oku 'ikai teu malanga ka na'a ku tufitufi lalo hakalo holo pe he kau Misinale kuo nau pekia mei he onongofulu 'o a'u mai eni ki he 'aho ni. Pea na'e kamata e UCA he 1977 'oku ou lele holo 'o fai e pu'i 'a Cecil Gribble, John Sutton, Alan Walker mo e toenga. Pea 'oku foki e manatu ki he fokotu'utu'u 'o e mavahe 'a e 'otumotu mei he Wesley Central Mission. Na'e folau mai 'a Setaleki Tuilovoni mei Fiji, Lalomilo mei Ha'amoa mo S. A. Havea mei Tonga 'o nau ta'utu mo e kau palangi 'o fai homau fokotu'utu'u. Pea nau foki ka mau fononga mai ai. Na'e 'ikai sia'a e ako ka kuo fuoloa fe'unga pe si'eku ta'utu he Presbytery mo e Synod 'ou a'u ki he Assembly pea kuo fe'unga pe ki'i momo kuou tufi mei ai ke fai 'aki ha tokoni.
Na'aku talangofua ki he'enau ng. fale'i ko hono 'uhinga ia 'oku lava aipe 'e Mascot 'o 'omai 'enau faifekau. Pea 'oku 'ikai ke mau misinale. Pea tukuange hono fakaikiiki teu toki lave kiai ha 'aho. Malo mo e 'ofa Fatai .
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:29:09 +1300
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halafononga fakafetu'utaki, fetohi'aki, femahino'aki mo felotolotoi
ne foua mai mo e kau taki 'o e SUTT mo e Presbytery mo e faifekau.
Me'apango 'oku ou faafaa pe he po'uli lahi ko e 'ikai kakato 'a e
fakamatala 'oku totonu ke tau ma'u. Kapau 'oku 'ikai te tau ma'u 'a e
fakamatala koiaa pea 'oku matu'aki fakangatangata 'a e fakamatala 'oku
tau ma'uu.
'I he tu'unga 'o e tohi meihe presbytery 'ata'ataa pe kuo taimi ke
fakakaukau'i 'ehe kau taki 'o e SUTT ke fakafoki atu 'enau faifekau ki
Tonga te'eki a'u ki ha tu'unga toe kovi ange ki he faifekau mo hono
famili pea mo e vaa 'o e ongo siasi pe konifelenisi.
Ko e fuofua me'aa ia ko e malu mo e hao 'a e faifekauu mo hono famili.
Toki fai 'a e fo mo e haeane mo e fakatonutonu mo e fakalelei mo ha
fokotu'utu'u fo'ou pe saupulu hili 'a e 'uluaki me'a ke fai.
Fakamolemole atu koe kauitalanoa pe foki 'eni meihe mama'o 'Ofa atu,
tfinau
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Kapau ne fu'u hala 'aupito ha founga ka ko e me'a atu pe 'ae Faifekau 'o inform e Fai'angalotu, ko e to ki me'a fakahua ia..ne 'iai ha'o 'ilo ki ai Kauvakaheu ?
Fakamalo kia Nau he'ene fakama'ala'ala ke 'ilo mei NZ, TOnga mo "Amelikai 'oku lava kenau omai 'o nague 'i OZ ni ka ko e foungaena kete fou mai aii..
'OKu ou fetongi mai ki heni e tepile ko enii, ka e 'ataa e tepile ia ki he Parish Tonga..
takamuli
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Kapau 'e li mai e profile ia 'o Simote Vea, Fale Lomu mo Fakapulia ki he Parish pea tali 'e he Parish ia 'a Siomte Vea , 'ave ia ki he Prsebytery pea koe level ia te ne fai ki he UCA 'ae me'a kotoa ke fou mai ai e Faifekau mei Tonga, 'o a'u ki ha'ane foki atu ki Tonga..he'ikai toe 'ai e fehikitaki ia 'ae Sutt,,he ko e kakai Tong anofo 'i Muli kae kole tokoni ki tonga,ia ka ha'ele mai 'a Sisu ia 'o Faifekau he'ikai pe tenau valelei nautolu, mahalo.
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Ko e Potungaue 'e ma'u 'e ha faifekau 'oku taau kenau faka'ai''ai e kau Faifekau mo e toenga 'oe feitu'u ko ia, kapau koe Parish Tonga, kenau tokanga ki he ngahi fakataha'anga 'oku nau belong ki aii..Presbytery mo e Synod..fa'a fili e ngahi Komiti mavahe, ke fakapau'i 'oku nau kau ki ai..ko ia 'ae me'a tenau poupou ai ki he'enau kau Faifekau pe tenau 'ilo ai 'oku kehe faifekau ia mei he me'a 'oku nofo ai e fai'angalotu...mahalo ne 'osi lave ki ai 'a Kauvakheu.
Ko e me'a maheni foki, 'a e 'oku 'iai e mission fakafai'angalotu ia, pea mahalo 'e kau ia heme'a ke talanoa mo kinautolu 'e tohi faifekau mai ki ha fai'angalotu..ko ia ko aa Kauvakaheu ??
Nau ko e ha,ha mata'itohi fakateolosia ke te ma'u ka te toki hoko ko ha faifekau he UCA ? Kapau 'oku taua ke ke tokoni ai ,pa ka 'oku 'ikai , sai pe.
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Tane'ine'i lea 'ae tangata'eiki Faifekau malolo ia ko Maka Tua'koi 'i Petersham he;emau Polotu talitali ia e 'a'ahi mai 'a e Palesiteni Ko Lepa To'a mo hono Hoa, pea nemau lea ai 'o lea 'a Maka . Mahalo na'a 'oku fa'a mamahi e kaingalotu Sutt hengahi fakaafe mei he kakai tonga kehe, ka 'oku ne 'osi fakamahino ko e Faifekau ia 'a Sisu Kalaisi, pea ko'ene Potungaue 'a mamani katoa..neongo 'oku nau totongi kita ee..
Fu'u sai 'aupito e founga ngaue, mahalo ne 'osi tala pe 'ehe Faifekau ka na'e femo'uekina 'a Fatai ia he taimi ko ia hhh..Hi Fatai !
Kauvakaheu, ko e me'a eni kenau 'ilo 'oku 'osi totongi mo e peseti 'e 30 ,ka 'o ka 'ofa atu ha'omou Sila pe kongame'a hinehina mei hotau ngahi fai'angalotu Tonga pea mou talaange, sai pe he 'oku 'osi totongi pe ia hhh..mai ke fakatau ke fai 'aki' etau ngahi palupalu..hhh
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hhh Kauvakaheu, me'a ena ia 'oku te'eki ke fakamatala 'e he kau Faifekau ke mahino..he 'oku lahio hono lau'i 'etau nofo 'i Fofo'anga'o pehe 'oku 'ikai fai ha tokanga ki he Kaingalotu, kae hange ko e lauu, ko e fo'i 30 ko ee 'oku fenukitau ai e ngahi fatongia kehe , 70 'oku 'ae kakai tonu ia..
Tane'ine'i lea 'ae tangata'eiki Faifekau malolo ia ko Maka Tua'koi 'i Petersham he;emau Polotu talitali ia e 'a'ahi mai 'a e Palesiteni Ko Lepa To'a mo hono Hoa, pea nemau lea ai 'o lea 'a Maka . Mahalo na'a 'oku fa'a mamahi e kaingalotu Sutt hengahi fakaafe mei he kakai tonga kehe, ka 'oku ne 'osi fakamahino ko e Faifekau ia 'a Sisu Kalaisi, pea ko'ene Potungaue 'a mamani katoa..neongo 'oku nau totongi kita ee..
Fu'u sai 'aupito e founga ngaue, mahalo ne 'osi tala pe 'ehe Faifekau ka na'e femo'uekina 'a Fatai ia he taimi ko ia hhh..Hi Fatai !
Kauvakaheu, ko e me'a eni kenau 'ilo 'oku 'osi totongi mo e peseti 'e 30 ,ka 'o ka 'ofa atu ha'omou Sila pe kongame'a hinehina mei hotau ngahi fai'angalotu Tonga pea mou talaange, sai pe he 'oku 'osi totongi pe ia hhh..mai ke fakatau ke fai 'aki' etau ngahi palupalu..hhh
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Tevita Finau
pe, koe metotisi i Nu'usila ni Talu e , ha'u kau Faifekau mei Tonga
moe hange pe 'oku ikai foki lelei ha Faifekau , koe foki longoa'a ai
pe., Pea ko 'eni kuo Fakangata ehe Meto ia 'a Nu'usila ni e kau
faifekau mei Tonga kae ngaue 'aki pe 'a enau kau Faifekau ne teu'i i
heni,, pea kuo nau lele lelei , tukukehe pe ha'a nau fanga ki'i
muhumuhu fakalotofale pe ka 'oku ikai ke tau 'ilo, hhhh,
Malo mu'a 'etau toe lava. Ko e felotolotoi 'a e Meto NZ mo Tonga hili
'a e faingata'a ke foki ha taha 'o e kau faifekauu, na'e kau 'a e
taimi fehikitaki 'o e kau Tongaa 'i hono fakaaii., 'aia 'oku fa'a ta'u
'e 3 'a e faifekauu 'i ha kolo pea ka lahi hake ai pea 'oange ha ta'u
'e taha 'o fa (4).
Koia ai na'e felotolotoi leva ke 'oange 'a e taimi looloa maheni 'aia
ko e ta'u 'e 4, pea ala fakalooloa 'o ngata pe he ta'u 'e 6. 'I
he'enee peheee pea 'oku lava leva ke foki e faifekauu hili hono ta'u
'e 4 pe 6 'o kei hoko atu pe he kulupu pe pupunga faifekau 'oku nau
fa'a fehikitaki fakatahaa.
Talu e kamata 'a e founga felotolotoi ni mo e 'ikai ha faingata'a ia
'e natula mo 'ena kuo hoko 'i Aositelelia. Na'e kamata 'a e founga ni
'ia Rev Dr 'Alifalei Mone,pea toe kole 'a e Vahefonua Tonga ha ta'u 'e
2 ke a'u 'o 6 lolotonga hono ta'u 4 henii., ka na'e ngata pe he ta'u 5
pea foki ia koe'uhii he na'e fili ia ke Sekelitali Lahi he
Konifelenisii.
Na'e hoko mai 'a Rev Sione Ha'angana pea 'osi lolotonga hono ta'u 4
na'e kole ki he Koni SUTT ke ta'u 6., pea na'e tali, pea hili ia na'e
foki fiefia pe 'a Sione Ha'angana mo 'Evaline mo e famili.
Na'e hoko mai 'a Peseti Tukutau (kuo ne si'i pekia), pea kapau 'oku
tonu 'a'eku manatuu, na'e 'osi pe hono ta'u 4 pea foki fiefia atu ia
mo Siutaisa mo hono famili. Na'e hoko mai 'a Rev Taufa Filiai 'o
kakato 'a hono taimi pea foki fiefia atu mo ia mo hono famili ki
Tonga.
Ko e tu'utu'uni pe 'a e Vahefonua Tonga Meto NZ (pe Sinoti Tonga), ke
ngata aa 'a e kole faifekau-pule (Parish Superintdent) ma'ae
Auckland/Manukau Tongan Parish, 'i he founga secondment meihe SUTT,
koe'uhii kuo malo 'a e tokoni ne nau fai mai he lakanga ni talu meihe
19-fitungofulutupu (Vili Vailea, Taniela Moala hoko mai kia Alifaleti)
'aia ko e meimei ta'u nai 'e 40. Hounga mo'oni si'i poupou 'a Tonga.
Na'e toki kamata 'ia Rev Taniela Moala 'a e fehikitaki
fakakonifelenisi ki he lakanga ni., ka na'e toki kamata 'ia 'Alifaleti
'a e felotolotoi kuo u lave kiai. Koia kuo kamata hono fai pe 'ehe kau
faifekau 'i heni 'a e lakanga Faifekau Pule ki he fu'u Vahenga-Ngaue
(Parish) lahi taha 'o e Siasi Metotisi 'o NZ ni., 'aia ko Rev Setaita
Kinahoi Veikune.
Ko e mo'oni e lau 'a LPiutau 'o pehee kuo tokolahi pea matu'otu'a
fe'unga kau faifekau kuo teu'i 'i NZ ni. Ko e me'a malie 'e taha ne
'ikai pe fili 'ehe Vahefonua Tongaa ia ha faifekau ne ui mai mei Tonga
ke faifekau-sea pe konivina he taimi na'e kei Komiti fale'i te'eki
Vahefonua., pea ko e malo fau 'a e faka'apa'apa'i 'ehe kau faifekau
mei Tongaa 'a e tuukunga koia. Ka neongo foki ai ka ko e Parish na'a
nau tokanga'ii, na'e tokolahi ia 'i he fakatahataha'i kotoa 'a e
toenga 'o e ng kaingalotu Meto Tonga 'i he toenga 'o NZ ni.
'Oku 'ikai ngata 'a e secondment mei Tonga. 'Oku tokoni mai 'a e SUTT
'i he kole 'a e Meto NZ ke tukuange mai mu'a 'a Rev Dr Nasili Vaka'uta
ke faiako he Trinity Methdist Theological College., pea 'oku ta'imalie
ai 'a Kolisi pea mo e Vahefonua Tonga. Kuo fakamahino'i 'e Nasili ko e
Palesiteni mo 'ene fehikitaki 'oku pule kiate ia, pea ko e taimi pe 'e
fekau mai ai 'a e SUTT ke takai e takapau 'o foki ki Tonga pe ko ha
feitu'u kehe pea ko e talangofua pau ki he ui. 'Ofa ke kei tuai pe.,
ka 'oku kei teletele foki 'a Pope mo kinautolu, he ko eni kuo Faifekau
Pule (Superintendent) he taha 'o e ng Parish Tonga lalahi 'o e fonua
ni.
'Io 'oku mau utu he potu na'e 'ikai te mau to-ta'u ai. 'Otua Lahi 'Ofa
Lahi mo Mohu Kelesi mo'oni he'emau ta'imalie he faka'atu'i kuo fai
'ehe SUTT mo e Meto NZ ma'a mautolu pea malo e faifatongia si'i kau
faifekau, pea malo e lotu mai mei hena. Ko ha faifekau ne fekau'i ke
ha'u mei Tonga, ko e feilaulau'i atu 'o e fiema'u 'a Tonga kae ui ke
ha'u 'o taapuni 'a e fiema'u 'a NZ ni. Mo'oni pe LPiutau neongo pe pe
ko e ha ha faingata'a ka 'oku fai pe e laka ki mu'a, mo'oni e himi kuo
"kite fonua i mata'u."
Fakamolemole atu he looloa e fanangaa. 'Ofa atu, tfinau
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sisilia tupou-thomas
Sifa Hingano
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Rev.Tevita Fotofili Vaikona ki San Bruno (Tongan )
Rev.Foloke Ika ki Hayward (Tongan/English )
Rev.Randy Smith mali Tonga hiki ki Wesley, Palo Alto. (English/Tongan)
Toki faka'osi atu e telelouniu he uike kaha'u.
Sifa Higano, Pastor, Genesis UMC
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Malo Fatai 'uma'a Sisilia 'a e hiki e talanoa ke tokangaekina e founga fai tu'utu'uni 'a e UCA kihe faingata'a 'oku hoko 'i he Parish.
'Oku ou mahu'inga'ia he tu'unga 'o e 'ikai honge kakai e Siasi ke fai e pu'i 'a e 'Eiki he Konifelenisi pe Presbytery ma'ae tukunga 'oku vivili e fiema'u e tokoni.
'Oku toe lahi ange 'eku fiefia, he kei falala 'a e UCA Presbytery ki he Konifelenisi SUTT, ke ne me'angaue'aki hoku ta'okete faifekau 'i Mascot, ke tokoni kihe fiema'u ngaue fakafaifekau 'a e kakai he Parish Tonga - 'a ee 'oku nau kei fiema'u ha faifekau meihe Konifelenisi Tonga.
Kataki pe Fatai mo Sisilia, mahu'inga ha'amo tokoni kihe fiema'u mo e tu'utu'uni kuo fai 'e he Presbytery. Pea ka kuo hala hono pu'i'aki 'e he Presbytery si'oku ta'okete, pea mo kataki 'o volunteer atu ke mo tokoni kihe fiema'u 'a e Presbytery.
Kou tui kuo 'osi fai 'e hoku ta'okete 'a e ngaahi me'a kotoa pe kuo mo talanoa kiai. 'A hono fakahoko ki Mascot mo femahino'aki kihe fotunga 'o e ngaue mo hono anga he vaa'itaimi ko 'eni. Pehe foki 'a e pau kuo 'osi femahino'aki 'a e UCA Prebytery mo e 'ofisi SUTT mei Tonga kihe tu'unga 'o hoku ta'okete faifekau. 'Oku mahino meihe tu'utu'uni kuo fai 'e he Presbytery ki he Parish, 'a e ma'u 'e hoku ta'okete 'a e mafai mo e taukei ngaue ke fakakau mai 'a e Parish Tonga kihe ngaue fakafaifekau hoku ta'okete Mascot.
Ka mou kataki 'o lotu ma'ana he ko e ngaue lahi mo e 'ofa.
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From: "sisilia tupou-thomas" <sisili...@gmail.com>
Sent: April 30, 2013 7:38 AM
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Re: TPLetter210313[1][1]
Kataki pe he fa'a huu tomui mai ki he paenga ni, 'o ma'u tomui e ngaahi news. 'Oku malie e ngaahi taalanga pea 'oku ou 'ohovale au he ngaahi me'a lahi kuo 'ohake he paenga ni, hala ha'aku misi ki ai! Mahalo ko e lahi pe e tekina he "vahanoa"! Ko e lea eni ia mei tu'a he 'oku 'ikai ke u 'i he loto siakale ko ena 'oku lave ki ai 'a Fatai mei Mascott! Hangee kiate au 'oku matu'aki kehekehe pe 'a e case ia fekaua'ki mo e Faifekau 'a e Tonga Parish, pea mo e "fekau" ko ena 'e he Sydney Presbytery 'a e Faifekau Mascott ke 'alu ange 'o fai 'enau pu'i! 'Me'a fo'ou eni ia kuo u toki fanongo ai he 'oku 'ikai fekau'i 'e ha Presbytery ia ha Faifekau pe lay person he UCA ke 'alu 'o fai ha ngaue, pe 'oange ha lakanga/fatongia ta'eloto ki ai. Vakai na'a 'ange'ange e palopalema e fetu'utaki ko ee mo e Tonga Parish, 'ia kimoutolu kaingalotu Mascott. Hangee kiate au ia ko e me'a ia 'a e Faifekau ke 'uluaki femahino'aki mo e Siasi ('ene fanga sipi) 'oku ne lolotonga tauhi, he 'ikai ke ha'u e Presbytery ia 'o vaha'a mo e kaingalotu 'o e faifekau! 'A ia kuo teke'i ki tu'a ke foki ki Tonga e faifekau SUTT 'e taha, kae taki'i atu e faifekau SUTT 'e taha 'e he Presbytery tatau pe ke nau pu'i ai? Malie foki tamaiki e maa'imoa! Huu mai e tokatokakovi, mahalo kuo fuoloa pe 'a e teekina! 'Ofa atu, Sisilia.
2013/4/30 Fatai Slender <fatais...@hotmail.com>
Si'eku fanau,
'Oku ou ongo'i pe Kauvakaheu mo e toenga koeni 'i Down Under pea mo e Sea 'o e Sydney Presbytery. He 'ikai ke mou si'i mai pe koeha 'eku fakakaukau ho'omou tu'utu'uni pe 'a e Presbytery mo kimoutolu ke 'oatu 'emau faifekau ke le'ole'o 'o fai e ngaue mo e komiti koeni kuo mou fokotu'u. Kae 'ikai mu'a ke mou fakalea mai Fatai mo e kaingalotu 'o Mascot kuo mau kole ki ho'omou faifekau ke tokoni mai 'o fai e fatongia koeni. He ko kimaulotu 'oku mau si'i fua e vahenga e Faifekau, hono nofo'anga 'utu 'ene me'a lele etc.etc. Pea toe ta'omia pe 'i si'oku tehina ke ne talaatu ke 'oua leva ke ha'u ke mau talanoa. Toki talamai pe kuo 'osi ho'omou fai tu'utu'uni. Kou tui pe Kauvakaheu ka ko ha ui eni koe he'ikai te ke tafoki hake pe 'o tali ta'e te ke fakaha ki ho'o fai'angalotu he ko e kau papalangi ia. Pea ko e me'a ia 'oku 'ikai ai teu kauhalataha mo e Presbytery ko 'enau fa'ifa'iteliha pehe mai. Kou tui kapau ko e fai'angalotu papalangi eni he'ikai te nau fai pehee. Koia Kauvakaheu mo e kau faifekau Tonga 'i Aust. mou toe tokanga ange mu'a he 'oku lahi faufau e ng. me'a 'oku ou faka'amu ke tau femahino'aki ai he'etau ngaue mo e kau Papalangi. 'Oku 'iai e me'a 'oku fiema'u ke mou fakataukei'i 'a e UCA fekau'aki mo 'etau ngaue mo kimautolu. 'Oku 'ikai teu faifekau pea 'oku 'ikai teu malanga ka na'a ku tufitufi lalo hakalo holo pe he kau Misinale kuo nau pekia mei he onongofulu 'o a'u mai eni ki he 'aho ni. Pea na'e kamata e UCA he 1977 'oku ou lele holo 'o fai e pu'i 'a Cecil Gribble, John Sutton, Alan Walker mo e toenga. Pea 'oku foki e manatu ki he fokotu'utu'u 'o e mavahe 'a e 'otumotu mei he Wesley Central Mission. Na'e folau mai 'a Setaleki Tuilovoni mei Fiji, Lalomilo mei Ha'amoa mo S. A. Havea mei Tonga 'o nau ta'utu mo e kau palangi 'o fai homau fokotu'utu'u. Pea nau foki ka mau fononga mai ai. Na'e 'ikai sia'a e ako ka kuo fuoloa fe'unga pe si'eku ta'utu he Presbytery mo e Synod 'ou a'u ki he Assembly pea kuo fe'unga pe ki'i momo kuou tufi mei ai ke fai 'aki ha tokoni.
Na'aku talangofua ki he'enau ng. fale'i ko hono 'uhinga ia 'oku lava aipe 'e Mascot 'o 'omai 'enau faifekau. Pea 'oku 'ikai ke mau misinale. Pea tukuange hono fakaikiiki teu toki lave kiai ha 'aho. Malo mo e 'ofa Fatai .
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:29:09 +1300
Penisimani Mone
Malo Sifa, mo'oni ia, taimi pe fehikitakii, 'oku fa'a toe ake ai e ngauee, toe fkalelei e kau vaa tamaki ka nau mavae, toe ake e fe'ofa'aki fkatokoua, toe liliu e fanga ki'i moki'i me'a na'e fa'a taukave'i tokua 'oku fu'u mahu'inga, ko e foaki 'o e ngaahi me'a'ofa fkamavae, etc.., pea a'u aipe ki ha tangi fiefia 'a e siasii 'i he faifai pea 'ofa 'a langi 'o ta mavahe atu a ki Folaha kanau mo'ui...hehehe!...(ko 'eta lii lii lalo pe Sifa, 'ikai puli 'i ha taha e kaafakafa e ministry si'i kau faifekau)
Fakapulia mou toe ki'i fakautumauku hifo hono hufia 'ae vahenga ko'eni 'oku hiki kiai 'a Pope.Koe ki'i telelouniu atu pe meihe Cal-Nev Conference. Koe taimi 'eni oe ng. fehikitaki 'o teuteu atu kihe 'emau Koni 'i Sune 19.
Rev.Maile Koloto ki Falehufanga (Tongan)
Rev.Tevita Fotofili Vaikona ki San Bruno (Tongan )
Rev.Foloke Ika ki Hayward (Tongan/English )
Rev.Randy Smith mali Tonga hiki ki Wesley, Palo Alto. (English/Tongan)
Toki faka'osi atu e telelouniu he uike kaha'u.
Sifa Higano, Pastor, Genesis UMC
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Malo Lauleti ho'o fakamahino mai e tafa'aki ko ena! Hangee kiate au ia 'oku fa'a e'a he ngaahi feta'emahino'aki lahi he vaa 'o e kaingalotu (congregation), faifekau (in placement) & Presbytery/Synod/Assembly ko e 'ikai mahino e priorities (number 1-1000)! 'I he "conditions of placement" 'a e faifekau 'o e UCA, 'oku haa mahino ai e 10% 'a e minister in placement ke involve ai he ngaahi activities 'a e Presbytery/Synod/Assembly, and so forth! I'm talking about a full time placement here! Ka kuo taa tu'o lahi 'eku fanongo ki he kaingalotu (not from Mascott) 'enau hanu he lahi ange e taimi ia 'enau faifekau he ngaahi fakataha 'a e Presbytery or Synod 'i hono taimi 'ia naatou (congregation who called & paid for the minister)! Hangee ho'o 'ai mai 'e koe Lauleti kuo 'ikai ma'u 'e Rev Nau 'Ahosivi (Sydney Presbytery) ia ha kelesi & maama fe'unga ke fai e fatongia ko ena! I have nothing personal against any ministers of any denomination, but the system is stuffed up & the sheep......the voiceless is silenced with decorative words & pretentious so-called graciousness! Te u koma hee kau hu ki tu'a na'a ta'e'aonga e 'aho faka'ofo'ofa! Have a gracious day everyone! Cheers (Sisilia).
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