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jhavea

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Jun 8, 2009, 11:02:56 PM6/8/09
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Kuo fakahu ki he ngaahi files 'a e fakamatala 'a Ma'afu Palu fekau'aki
mo e "Sisu Tonga" 'oku taukave'i 'e Mohenoa Puloka. Ko e fakamatala ni
ne ta'ofi mei he Tohi Fanongonongo 'a e SUTT, pea 'oku fokotu'u atu
heni na'a 'aonga ke fai ai ha tasilisili

'Oku kole atu ke 'uluaki lau fakalelei 'a e fakamatala 'a Ma'afu, pea
kapau 'oku 'i ai ha ngaahi fehu'i pea fokotu'u mai he kuo kau mai 'a
Ma'afu ki he Tasilisili ke ne tali atu ho'omou ngaahi fehu'i

Tasilisili fakalelei, kae mahino mo molumalu

Malo, mei he kau tauhi tepile

jhavea

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malo

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Malo e ma'u Fakamatala, pea mahalo 'oku lelei hono fakatalanoa'ai e Tangata'eiki Puleako Siatoutai he 'oku 'iai e Kakai 'oku teu ki he Ngaue 'ae 'Eiki hotau Siasi.

'Oku fa'ahinga eni mo e launga ne fakahuu ki he TNC fekau'aki mo Macnab,pea 'oku ou tui ko Tonga pe tenau lava ke 'ilo'i lelei ange 'ae Tangata'eiki ni he kuo kau mai foki 'a Tonga hono fakalotolahi'i kitautolu ke tu'u ke ma'u he Tohitapu katau sio ange pe tenau tu'u heni pe tenau lele.

Vakai noa atu he Konifelenisi 'o e Ta'u ni, kenau tokanga ki ai.

takamuli.

Tevita Langi

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Jun 8, 2009, 11:57:00 PM6/8/09
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Ma'afu,
          Tuku pe ki he kau talanga ke mou tasilisili he ngaue kuo fokotu'u mai 'e jh. ko e talamonu pe eni ia he ako kuo fai mo e afe kuo fai mai ki he ngalu ope ni, ke hoko atu e fkakoloa he FOLOFOLA 'A E 'OTUA.
 
'Ofa Atu mo e Lotu
tlangi

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Ma'afu malo 'etau lava pea malo si'i okooko mei hena. Fakafiefia 'a e fe'iloaki mo e felongoaki henii.

Na'a ku kamata lau hifo pe ho'o fakamatala pea 'oku mahino kiate au na'e 'i ai e ngaahi fakamatala 'a Mohenoa fekau'aki mo "Sisu Tonga". 'Oku 'i ai nai ha founga te mau ala fou ki he ngaahi fakamatala ko ia? Ka ala fokotu'u mai mo ia 'e tokoni lahi.

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Sam Pakofe

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Jun 9, 2009, 4:33:01 AM6/9/09
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 "K

a ko hono pukepuke ‘o e Siu

‘o Sīsū, kae uki e kakai kotoa pe, ‘o e fa’ahinga lea, lanu,

matakali, ‘io ‘

a māmani kātoa ke tau hū atu ‘o ‘inasi he ngaahi

tāpuaki ko ia, ‘aki hono “hunuki k

itautolu tu’unga ‘i he’etau tui

kia Sīsū Kalaisi” ki he ngaahi monū ko ia. ‘Aua, tā ‘o

ku ‘ikai ko

hono ‘omai ‘o Sīsū ‘o “hunuki” hotau kelekele ‘i Tonga ni, ka

ko e ‘atu ‘o e Tonga ‘o “hunuki” ki he kelekele na’e fili

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Malo e tau lava kau Taislisli, pea "Malo e tau lava Ma'aFu , malo e tau ma'u e 'aho ni..
 
Kuo fai e laulau mamalie hifo e Fakamatala kih'oo fakaikai'ii e "Sisu Tonga",pea  'oku malie lahi e "ta'ata'ofi" kuo fai,, ka koe 'uhi kuo 'ikai ke ma'u e 'uhinga ia 'a Mohenoa, pea 'oku iikai teu 'ilo pe koe 'uhinga ko'eni "Sisu Tonga, ke fa'ao mai 'a Sisu Siu ki Tonga, hei'ilo,
 
pea kapau koe Faka-kaukau ke 'omai 'a "Sisu ke ofi mai kia kita,kuou manatu kihe taimi neu kei leka hake ai, kapau teu'alu tokotaha ki 'uta, pea hangehnage 'oku lele mai ha ilifia tevolo, pea "oku pehee leva, 'Sisu 'unu'unumai", pea tuaiekemo kuo hola e ilifia ia,
Vakai ange masi'i Ma'afu na'a koe 'uhinga ia 'oe feinga ke omai 'a Sisu ke "i" Tonga,ke ofi holo pe he kau ilifia tevolo eeeeee,,,ouaaaaaaaa.
 
kae tuku mu'a ke fai atu e  fifili faka-unufe ko'eni...
 
(a). meihe fehu'i moe tali , 'oku 'iai e fehu'ii ko'eni, "Oku 'i fee 'ae 'Otua" ?
'e lelei nai keu fakakainga'ii  'ae tali "oku ihe Potu Kotoa pe, moe fakakaukau 'oe "Sisu Tonga",
Koe 'uhi kapau koe "Otua" [ 'Alo pe ko Sisu ia] 'oku 'ihe potu Kotoa pe, 'e lava nai keu ui ko Sisu 'Oku 'i Tonga ?.
'e fefee nai 'ae "Imanuela, koe 'Otua iate kitautolu ?
 
(e). Kapau 'oku hange 'ae fakakaukau koho'o lave 'i Olunga ke "pukepuke 'ae "Siu" o Sisu,,pea 'oatu 'a Tonga 'o hunuki he kelekele 'oe kau Siu...
 
'aia leva 'e hangehangee katau 'uluaki liliu Siu ? katau toki ma'u 'a Sisu ?
 
faifekau koe fifili faka'unufe pe 'eni ia, koe kautama pe koee tenu fifilifaka- ako atu,,,
 
malo, Sami.


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Rev. Sisitoutai Taufa

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Jun 9, 2009, 5:05:37 AM6/9/09
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Masi'i Takamuli, malo e fakatalanoa kia Makapi 'o Malipone 'oku lava 'a
e sio atu kae vale 'aupito he sio hifo ee 'oua pe 'e 'ita he he mo e
'ofa ai pe Sis T.

jione havea

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ko e fokotu'u lelei 'a Foloke, pea kole atu kia Ma'ananga mo e kau tama 'i Tonga ke nau kole mai e fakamatala 'a Mohenoa ke tau sio ki ai
 
malo, jh
 

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Saikolone Taufa

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ko e fokotu'u lelei 'a Foloke, pea kole atu kia Ma'ananga mo e kau tama 'i Tonga ke nau kole mai e fakamatala 'a Mohenoa ke tau sio ki ai 
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Poupou atu ki he fokotu'u fakakaukau ko 'eni, pea kapau 'oku 'iai ha halanga  he fa'unga 'oe SUTT 'e ala ke fakafou atu ai 'ae fa'ahinga Tohi Launga pehe ni, pea mou kataki 'o ki'i fakamaama mai. 'Oku fa'a fou mai heni mei Tonga e ngaahi fo'i Helefiofio Fakateoloisa 'aia 'oku fiema'u ke fai ha tokanga kiai, ka 'oku 'ikai ke fu'u maama mai 'ae halanga 'o ha fa'ahina launga fakatokateline pe fakateolosia pehe ni. Moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone
 
 
 
 

iki

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ko e fokotu'u lelei 'a Foloke, pea kole atu kia Ma'ananga mo e kau tama 'i Tonga ke nau kole mai e fakamatala 'a Mohenoa ke tau sio ki ai 
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Poupou atu ki he fokotu'u fakakaukau ko 'eni, pea kapau 'oku 'iai ha halanga  he fa'unga 'oe SUTT 'e ala ke fakafou atu ai 'ae fa'ahinga Tohi Launga pehe ni, pea mou kataki 'o ki'i fakamaama mai. 'Oku fa'a fou mai heni mei Tonga e ngaahi fo'i Helefiofio Fakateoloisa 'aia 'oku fiema'u ke fai ha tokanga kiai, ka 'oku 'ikai ke fu'u maama mai 'ae halanga 'o ha fa'ahina launga fakatokateline pe fakateolosia pehe ni. Moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone
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lone 'oua masi'i 'e launga'i he ko e 'etau launga'i pe 'etau tolu 'etau kau kengi he he he.  kapau kuo haa mai ha ngaahi fo'i helefilo mei tonga kou pehee taa kuo a'u 'a tu'unga ako fkteolosia 'i tonga ki he tu'unga ma'olunga he kuo nau lava 'o faofao ha 'uu me'a noa'ia pee ke tupu ai ha'a tau fkkaukau ki ha toe me'a 'oku kehe angee 'o hangee pee ko e taki ko eni 'o lauleti mo me'a mei melipoana 'a mc nab;
na'a ku kii talanoa au mo mohenoaa 'i ha'apai pea u talaange sai 'aupito e fo'i teolosia ko 'enaa...he kuo tau fiu he sio 'eti faiva he sisu palangii kae 'ai pee mo huu mai ha sisu lanu kehe ko e fakamafana atu ee.  kou tui 'oku 'ikai ha me'a foou heni ka ko e faofao pee 'a e tu'unga fkkaukau kuo fai ki ai e lave 'a e kau tama i he contextual theology. pea kou manatu ai ki he lesoni kilisimasi na'e fa'u 'e havili mone homau taimi ki he fkkaukau fktonga 'o e 'alo'ii pee koe pehee kapau na'e 'alo'i 'a sisu 'i tonga na'e mei anga feefee nai.
 
kou tui 'oku hala'ataa ha'ane fepaki 'e taha pee ko e phee kuo tau tuku ai ki lalo 'a e tu'unga sisuu 'o sisuu ka ko 'ene fklotolahii he 'oku ne fkfuo ai 'a e pehee 'e sisu "pea teu 'iatekimoutolu ma'u ai pe".  kapau 'oku 'iai ha sisu tonga 'ouaa taa 'oku tau mafai ke faito'o mahaki pea tau mafai ke lea malohi he ngaahi social issues ko eni 'oku hoko 'i tongaa 'o hangee kotoa pe ko ia na'e fai 'e sisuu palangi 'isa ko sisuu siu koaa pope.  pea 'i he pehee ko e toki tolonga mo'oni ia 'a sisu 'ia hotau kakai he koe me'a ia 'oku tau lotu ai pee mo kaakaaa koe'uhii ko e fu'u mama'o 'a sisu ki hevani kae 'ikai ke nofo pe mo tautolu henii ...pope
 
 
 
 

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Henry Niumeitolu

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malo e tau moe fe'inasi'aki 'ihe tasilisili 'o 'etau mo'ui he ngaluope, Tau kau ke fakamalo'ia 'a e Tamai , 'Alo Laumalie, kau 'a e kakai mo Langi e, mo mamani fulipe.
'Oku ou tui ki he ngaahi tefito'i tui 'a e kau 'apositolo 'aia 'oku ha he'etau tohi himi. Pea moe palani haohaoa 'a e 'Otua ke fai hotau fakamolemole 'aki 'a e ta'ata'a 'oe Lami ta'emele ko hono 'alo ko Sisu Kalaisi, koe hako 'o e tangata kae tamai ki langi e.
Koe fiefia'anga ia 'o 'eku mo'ui koe 'etau Tamai 'Otua 'o fou 'i he tama 'a e fefine, pea moe foaki 'oe 'Otua ko Laumalie Ma'oni'oni koe takaua, tokoni ofi, taukapo, fakafiemalie, fakamaau angahala, fakamanava hake pea moe faka'ilo hala. Koe ongo faka'ofo'ofa ia mo fakafiemalie, 'a e kakato ete fiefia he feohi moe 'Otua, 'oku ne lotolotoi, pea ne fakanonga, pea ne fakakakato 'o 'ikai ha toe fehu'ia pe tatala'a. Mo'o ni ai e punake, koe ma'u KOE koe ma'u kotoa.
Koe  fanga ki'i facts ke consider:
1. tukufakaholo, fa'u tohi 'o e tohitapu,(Eastern culture) 'ikai koe talanoa pe(oral traditions-polynesian culture)
2. tukufakaholo 'o e kovinanite faka'Epalahame, koe sipinga moe ola oha kaume'a fafale moe 'Otua.
3. Palani fakamo'ui 'o Ha'a tangata ke hoko mai he hako 'o Siuta,hako 'o 'Epalahame
4. Palani ke hoko mai koe Tu'i 'o e ngaahi Tu'i he hako 'o Tevita, va'a moe huli 'oe Sese
5. Palani kene laiki e 'ulu 'oe ngata kona ko Setane, he hako 'o 'Ivi koe fuofua Fa'e fa'ele.
6. Palani faka-mamanilahi (kuonga 'o Loma)ke mate he mate'anga fakama koe tautau kovi he 'Akau
7. Palani ke hoko 'ene feilaulau mo'ui 'a Sisu koe fakamolemole'anga Angahala pea moe fehokotaki'anga 'a e tangata pea moe 'Otua.
8. Palani ke lilingi mai hono Laumalie ke faka'inasi 'aki e kau Ako pea pehe moe kakai kotoape 'oku tui kia Sisu.
9. Palani ke ne toe foki mai, (ha'ele angaua mai 'a Sisu) ke ma'u kitautolu ki Langi ki he 'Api 'o e Tamai.
10, Ko kitaua koe hako 'o Sisu , ''i he tui pea moe falala ta'etoeveiveiua kiate ia, fakamo'oni ai ki he 'ene 'Otua 'Aoniu, Mafimafi, Ta'engata, Poto, 'Ilome'a, Taumama'o Atu ,Ta'emahakulea.
 
Ko'eku talaloto leva 'oku pehe , he'ikai fakamolemole'i 'eku angahala 'i ha tukufakaholo faka-tonga, koe ta'ata'a pe 'o e Lami ta'emele ne pekia he Kolosi.
Ka ko 'ene pekia ma'a Mamani Katoa koeuhi ke fakafoki ai au koe Tonga pea mo e Tonga kotoa kiate ia Koe 'Otua tupu'anga.Ko 'eku mata'ikoloa ko Sisu pe,'ilo 'eia 'ete fa'a fekuki, ha'u 'ete vaivai 'o pukepuke, toki kaume'a fafale ia , Sisu pe Sisu pe.
ke tapuekina kimoutolu 'e he 'Otua mafimafi. 'ofa lahi atu 'Elaona.
--- On Thu, 11/6/09, Lotopoha Jeruel <seluel...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Lotopoha Jeruel <seluel...@gmail.com>
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 4:51 AM

malo jhavea e fokotu'u tepile lelei ketau fe'inasi'aki ai mo e faifekau ko Ma'afu Palu. Pea hange ko e ngaahi lafo kuo fai, malo faifekau e afe mai na pea malo e tau mo e ako pea pehe ki he ngaue lahi kuo tau fanongoa.
 
malo ho'omou tu'u mai he taukave tukufkholo ko ena 'o e Tokangaekina e Mahu'innga 'o e Tohitapu 'i he fononga 'oku tau fai'i he Tui. Kuo fai e ongo'i teteki he laka 'oku fai telia na'a te pakia ha lau'itelie. kae sai pe, he ko lolotelie ko e 'api KUO 'iai hoto ki'i konga. mahalo na'a tokoni pe ia ke te kau fktaha mo e punake, "laka, laka, 'oua 'e ilifia; laka, laka, hiva fiefia...
 
'ofa atu mo e lotu
lotopoha.

2009/6/8 jhavea <jha...@gmail.com>

tino tahitu'a

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Elaona said...
Ko'eku talaloto leva 'oku pehe , he'ikai fakamolemole'i 'eku angahala 'i ha tukufakaholo faka-tonga, koe ta'ata'a pe 'o e Lami ta'emele ne pekia he Kolosi.
Ka ko 'ene pekia ma'a Mamani Katoa koeuhi ke fakafoki ai au koe Tonga pea mo e Tonga kotoa kiate ia Koe 'Otua tupu'anga.Ko 'eku mata'ikoloa ko Sisu pe,'ilo 'eia 'ete fa'a fekuki, ha'u 'ete vaivai 'o pukepuke, toki kaume'a fafale ia , Sisu pe Sisu pe.
 
Malie lahi e lau ko 'eni 'a Elaona..
ofa atu
 


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seni taniela

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Ko e Sisu Siu ne ui ko e Lami/sipi, pea ui kitautolu ko 'ene fanga-sipi, 'e tali pee nai 'ehe sisu Tonga ke ui ko e puaka pea ui kitautolu ko 'ene fanga puaka he 'oku 'ikai ha sipi 'i Tonga? pe 'e ui ko e kosi pea ko kitautolu ko 'ene fanga kosi? ko e kau tauhi puaka lelei pe kau tauhi kosi lelei kitautolu?--ngali fakatu'utamaki e fakatonga'i he ngali te tau uauu he katunii.


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From: Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009 6:33:01 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

 "K

a ko hono pukepuke ‘o e Siu

‘o Sīsū, kae uki e kakai kotoa pe, ‘o e fa’ahinga lea, lanu,

matakali, ‘io ‘

a māmani kātoa ke tau hū atu ‘o ‘inasi he ngaahi

tāpuaki ko ia, ‘aki hono “hunuki k

itautolu tu’unga ‘i he’etau tui

kia Sīsū Kalaisi” ki he ngaahi monū ko ia. ‘Aua, tā ‘o

ku ‘ikai ko

hono ‘omai ‘o Sīsū ‘o “hunuki” hotau kelekele ‘i Tonga ni, ka

ko e ‘atu ‘o e Tonga ‘o “hunuki” ki he kelekele na’e fili

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 Ka koe 'ai koaa, ketau pukepuke e "konga Siu" 'o Sisu ke ha ?
Tetau mala'ia katau pehee, Koe "Sisu -'oku Konga Tonga ?
 
'Oku tau lau pe kiai , Koe 'ikai ketau Lotu pe tautolu kia "Tangaloa, mo Maui he na'e 'i Tonga ....... te tau a'u kihe tu'unga, koe "lau -matakali" moe lau lanu ,, 'ae e'oku fai 'ehe kau "Siu" he taimi ni,,,,,,, 'onau tala ko "Sisu moe 'Otua pe 'anautolu pe ......... koe me'a ia 'oku ui koe "Faka'iii",, hange 'oku nau faka'ii 'Otua.. kae hili koia , kuo tau kau kotoa kihono "Siasi Tapu, 'o hange koe lau 'ae Tui 'ae Kau 'Aposetolo..
 
 'oku 'i fee 'ae 'Otua....." 'oku ihe potu kotoa pe..........
 
sami.
 

Saulisi Mafile'o

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Malie 'a e faofao ia tokoua. 'Ofa atu ki he famili.  'Oku malie 'a e fokotu'u ki he fakalanga kitautolu (Tonga) pe ko e 'omai 'a Sisu 'o hunuki 'i Tonga. Ko e me'a malie ka lava eeeeeee.
 
'Oku te kau pe foki kita he tulituli tuma ke muimui ki he ngaahi fekau kuo fakahinohino'i mai 'e Sisu. Ko e me'a pe 'oku 'ikai keu lava 'a e muimui fakahepelu pe fakasiu. Ko e muimui fakatonga pe 'oku ou 'ilo mo feinga keu lava. Pea 'oku ou tui ko e Sisu ko ia 'oku ou tui ,lotu mo tauhi ki ai, 'oku ne 'afio'i lelei 'eku ki'i  muimui fakatonga 'oku fai ange.
'ofa mo e lotu.
sikei
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abigail kavaliku

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Malie 'a e fakatalanoa, ka ko e fakatalanoa fekau'aki mo e 'Alo 'o e 'Otua, 'o o fakataha 'a e 'uhinga mo e faka'apa'apa kiate IA. 'Oku fakamafana 'a e felafoaki. Ko e toki a'u mai eni 'a e laine ki Ha'afakaafe. Kuo fuoloa 'a e puli, ka 'oku fai 'a e ofo mo e lilika he ngaahi vahevahe 'e ni'ihi. Ko e me'a pe kuo mahino, faka'ofa si'i Sisu hono tukutukuholo ke Siu pe ke Tonga. Pe ko kitautolu 'oku faka'ofa hono feinga ke teke'i 'a Lei mei hono fu'u mei. He ko Lei 'a hai? Tau sio ki he'ene fu'u mei kuo ne fakangofua ke tau kai tunu'aki, mo e 'ofa. Tom


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Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:18:13 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

sfaupula

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hahahahah!!!! mo'oni tama seni. ko hono 'ai ko ee ke tonga 'a sisu pea toki
malava ai tokua kene fkai e fiema'u fktonga, 'oku e'a mei ai e ta'e falala
'oku fe'unga 'a noa e sisu na'e hifo 'i he matakali na'e tukumai ai e
palomesi ke ne lava'i e palopalema 'o e tonga ko e angahala. ko e me'a 'e
taha foki 'oku malava 'anoa 'e he sisu na'e hifo ko e 'alo 'o fou mai he
kakai siu 'o relate ki he tonga neongo 'ene siu.

that's the beauty of the cross. it crosses boundaries of all sorts. what the
cross achieved is universal and it invites polynese, chinese, palestinese,
europenese, indianese, pea mo e famili kotoa 'o nese ke kau 'i he fklelei
na'e lava'i 'e he 'otua 'i he kolosi.

ka ko e me'a lahi ko e 'ata faikehe mai 'a e sisu 'oku fkmo'oni ki ai e
'otua 'i he'ene folofola 'i he taimi ko ee 'oku kola'i atu ai ke tonga.

ko e fklea atu pe...


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Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga




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seni taniela

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--- On Thu, 11/6/09, sfaupula <sk...@bigpond.com> wrote:
that's the beauty of the cross. it crosses boundaries of
> all sorts. what the
> cross achieved is universal and it invites polynese,
> chinese, palestinese,
> europenese, indianese, pea mo e famili kotoa 'o nese ke kau
> 'i he fklelei
> na'e lava'i 'e he 'otua 'i he kolosi.

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Mo'oni 'aupito, he ko 'etau a'usia faka-kalisitianee "It's a subjective experience based upon an objective truth (reality)."

Ko 'etau subjective Tongan experience 'oku totonu ke based he objective truth--ko Sisu ko e Siu ne pekia he Kolisi, pea 'i hono tu'unga 'Otuaa tene ha'i kotoa ai kitautolu...tene lava 'o 'afio he loto e Tongaa mo Pamifiliaa, pea 'oku 'ikai fasi'i e Sisu ko iaa...

manavasi'i na'a tau toe 'ai ha 'imisi 'aitoli 'i he'etau ngaahi faka-kaukau...Sisu melomelo 'alo popao pea mate tautau he mongaa....he 'oku 'ikai ha tutuki kolosi i Tonga...are we creating our own god? a god in our own image? vakai na'a ko e 'aitoli

Sione 'Atupuha Koloti

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Malo Dr. Palu,

ko e kole tokoni pe.

Kapau 'e to mai ha taha ki he fakataputapu faka-Kalisitiane tu'unga 'ia Sisu Tonga, 'e faingofua pe ke ne to e kolosi mei ai kia Sisu Siu?

Pea kapau 'e Sisu Tonga aipe ia, hange 'e ta'emahino 'a Hevani 'i langi?? feefee 'a hevani 'i lalo ni??

kapau 'oku to wide 'ena faifekau, pea tuku aipe ko e fo'i sausau!!

'ofa atu mei he kauleka.

koloti.

sfaupula

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'io, pea liliu ai leva mo noa mo 'epalahame ke tonga fktaha mo 'aisake,
sekope, mosese, tevita, siosefa, mele, mo e kau palofita. pea ko e taha, 'ai
mai mu'a ke mahino pe na'e angafefe hono taki popula 'e 'asilia mo papilone
'a tonga he ta'u fe ko aa, he ko 'etau feinga pe ke liliu e siu 'o sisu ko
'ene tonu ia ke liliu kotoa mo e hisitolia 'oku fkmatala ki he halanga ne
fou mai ai e 'alo ki mamani. ko 'ene malava ia pea ko e toki tonga mo'oni ia
'a sisu. hahahheheh!!!!

ka 'e malava ko aa 'a fe 'a e fa'ahinga usu ko ia????? hahahahehe!!!!!!

tatau atu (<><>)

Lauleti Tu'inauvai

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Malo mu'a kau Fafine mo Tangata 'a e Fefakakoloa'aki 'i hotau fale ni.

Tuku mu'a ke fai atu ha fakalanga fakakaukau mei he Tokateline 'o e "Tolu
Taha'i 'Otua" ki he tu'unga hange 'e malava ai 'o tu'u 'a e fakakaukau 'o
"Sisu Tonga" kuo lau ta'u mai hono lulu 'i Tonga.

'A e fakakaukau ki he malava 'a e 'Otua 'o e Fakatupu, 'a ee na'a Ne fili 'a
e hako 'o 'Epalame ke na kovinanite (Tohi Tapu Hepeluu), pea Ne toe fai pe
'e Ia 'a e Fakatupu Fo'ou ('Atama Fo'ou mo 'Isileli Fo'ou) 'ia Kalaisi 'i he
'Ene hoko 'e Ia pe 'o Kakano 'ia Kalaisi. Pea ko e Kalaisi-'Otua-'ai-Kakano
pe ko ia, 'a ee Ne hoko mai ko e Siu, hako 'o 'Epalame/Tevita, ko ia pe na'a
ne toe folofola "te mou hoko ko hoku kau fakamo'oni" pea 'e hoko mai 'a e
Laumalie Ma'oni'oni ('Aho Penitekosi) 'o fakaivia kimoutolu ko hoku (Sisu)
kau fakamo'oni ki 'Isileli Fo'ou (mamani kotoa) pea mo hoku Siasi (Tapu mo
Taha Pee).

Hange kiate au ko e fakakaukau ia 'e malava ai 'a e Sisu Tonga - ko e
"Sisu-he-ngaahi-kuonga-mo-mamani-kotoa-'i he-ivi-'o e-Laumalie Ma'oni'oni"
'a ee kuo ne hoko atu ki mamani pea kau ai mo Tonga 'i he "Siasi Tapu mo
Taha Pee" kuo fakaivia pea uho'aki 'a e mafai 'o e Laumalie Ma'oni'oni.

Pea ko e Uho eni 'o e tokateline 'o e Tolu-Taha'i-'Otua - Ko e kei ope mo
ngangatu mai 'a e ngaue 'a e 'Otua 'o e Fakatupu, neongo e maumaulao 'a 'Ivi
mo 'Atama, 'o a'u mai kia Sisu Hepeluu 'o e Senituli 1 T.S. ke hokohoko mai
ko e "Sisu Tonga/Ha'amoa/'Aositelelia etc" 'i he ivi 'o e Laumalie
Ma'oni'oni, ko e 'Otua "Feohi" mo kitautolu.

Telia na'a ngalo 'a Laumalie Ma'oni'oni mo 'Ene Feohi mo Fakaivia mo
Fakamafai 'oku fai 'i he takitaha kuonga pea lave monu ai mo hotau kuonga
pea mo "mamani-katoa" katau kei kakapa atu kia "Sisu Siu Senituli 1 ('o e
Fuakava Fo'ou) " 'a ee kuo Ne 'osi ha'ele atu ki he Langi 'o 'afio 'i he
to'omata'u 'o e Tamai (ka 'oku kei ngangatu mo ope mai, he Fuakava Motua mo
e Fuakava Fo'ou, 'ene ngaue ne fai 'o fakamo'oni he Kolosi mo e Toetu'u mei
Fa'itoka) 'o hokohoko atu hotau hufekina ki he Tamai.

Hange kiate au (ko e fakamahamahalo atu pe) ko e 'uhinga ia 'a Rev. Dr.
Puloka, ko "Sisu Tonga" ko e: Siasi (SUTT, SOT, STT, Katolika etc) +
Laumalie Ma'oni'oni = Kei ngaue mai ai pe 'i he 2009 'i Tonga 'a Sisu
Hepeluu 'o e Senituli 1 T.S 'o hoko ia ko Sisu Tonga.

Ka mo lea hake foki Ma'ananga mo Fakapulia, he kuo lele hake ta'emahino, 'o
fai mai ha fakamaama na'a 'ohovale kuo 'ekuasi "Faka-Falanisesi Mekinapi" 'a
Sisu Tonga. Hange kiate au ko Sisu Tonga ko e afo tatau atu pe mo Sisu
Semina 'a e kau Teolosia Laka mo e Kuonga (Progressive). Ka mou fai mai mei
he Sia ha fakama'ala'ala.
Ko e ta'alo sonini atu pe. Mo e 'ofa mo e lotu.
Lauleti




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--- On Thu, 11/6/09, Lauleti Tu'inauvai <lau...@bigpond.com> wrote:
Hange kiate au ko e fakakaukau ia 'e malava ai 'a e Sisu
> Tonga - ko e
> "Sisu-he-ngaahi-kuonga-mo-mamani-kotoa-'i he-ivi-'o
> e-Laumalie Ma'oni'oni"
> 'a ee kuo ne hoko atu ki mamani pea kau ai mo Tonga 'i he
> "Siasi Tapu mo
> Taha Pee" kuo fakaivia pea uho'aki 'a e mafai 'o e Laumalie
> Ma'oni'oni.

==========================
Malo mu'a faifekau,

ka ko e me'aa he 'oku tau kei fihi ni he fili palesitenii pe 'oku tataki koaa 'ehe Laumalie Ma'oni'onii pee 'ikai....pea kapau 'oku tau fangatua he tataki e ivi e Laumalie Ma'oni'onii he fili palesiteni, fefe ai 'etau falala ko e tataki 'ehe Laumalie e invent 'etau sisu Tonga...

'E fefee ka pehee sisu Tonga SUTT pee?? he 'e kehe 'a e sisu Tonga siasi Tonga, pe sisu Tonga penitekosi, pee Sisu Tonga mamonga...fakatokanga'i 'oku fele 'a e version...pea 'e kehe 'a e version 'a Dr Puloka pea 'e kehe 'a e version 'a Pukemo'ui 'Aipolo..fefee ka pehee 'e Dr Ma'afu Palu ko e tataki ia e Laumalie ke tau fai'aki pee Sisu Siuu...lava fefe ai ke tau 'ilo'i ko fee 'oku tataki 'ehe Laumaliee??.'E inu kava malohi nai 'a Sisu pe inu kava Tonga ka 'e hinga ia ka ala kiha uaine??

Fefee ke liliu ke sisu SUTT pee?? kae'oua 'e sisu Tonga he 'ikai loto kiai e katolika ia mo e toenga e ngaahi siasii.

hamilto...@paradise.net.nz

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Quoting seni taniela <seni...@yahoo.com.au>:
manavasi'i na'a tau toe 'ai ha 'imisi 'aitoli 'i he'etau ngaahi
faka-kaukau...Sisu melomelo 'alo popao pea mate tautau he mongaa....he
'oku 'ikai ha tutuki kolosi i Tonga...are we creating our own god? a god
in our own image? vakai na'a ko e 'aitoli
----
Manatu ki he semina 'a e faifekau, 'Iki Pope 'i he Ipiseli 'a Paula ki he
kakai Kaletia. Na'e fakamatala 'a 'Iki 'o pehee na'e kau 'a Paula 'i he kakai
na'e sio ki he tutuki 'o Sisu 'i he kolosi. Pea ne hanga 'o fakamatala'i 'a e
fepotalanoa'aki 'a Sisu pea mo Paula 'i Kalevale. Ko e faufaua atu 'a e pasi
kae tu'u fakalongolongo hake 'a e faiako 'o pehee mai "ko e ha 'a e ma'u'anga
fakamatala ki he seminaa koeni?

Malie pe fakakaukau 'o e Sisu Tonga kae hange ko e ngaahi kole kimu'a ke 'omi
e ngaahi ma'u'anga fakamatala.

mo e 'ofa mei he Nursing Chapel
hausia

sfaupula

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHHAAAHHAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ko e 'ai ke 'uma'aki faifekau!!!! 'ouaaaaaa!!! he 'oku kehe pe hoku ta'okete
'oku koena......... hahahahahahah!!! ko fe hotau sense of humour????

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hahahaha! seni ta'ofi ia!!! mo'oni ko e me'a ia 'e iku ki ai. 'o tau
tofitofi 'a sisu.

ko e me'a ko ee 'e taha, 'oku kei palopalema pe 'a e fkkaukau ki he laumalie
he'e hange ia 'oku fkmo'oni 'a laumalie ia ki ha toe sisu kehe 'okapau 'e
sisu tonga. ko e sisu ko ee 'oku fkmo'oni ki ai 'a laumalie ko e sisu pe ko
ee he hisitolia ko e siu pea ko e sisu ko ia 'oku fe'unga 'anoa mo e me'a
katokatoa 'oku fk'amu ki ai e tonga pea tautefito ki hono fkhaofi kitautolu
tonga meihe fktau ki mate. 'ikai ke ngata ai ka 'oku fe'unga 'anoa mo sisu
siu kene poupoua kitautolu tonga 'i he'etau tauhi vaha'angatae ki he kakai
'oku tau feohi mo ia 'i he lolotonga.

tatau atu (<><>)

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ka ko e me'aa he 'oku tau kei fihi ni he fili palesitenii pe 'oku tataki
koaa 'ehe Laumalie Ma'oni'onii pee 'ikai....pea kapau 'oku tau fangatua he
tataki e ivi e Laumalie Ma'oni'onii he fili palesiteni, fefe ai 'etau falala
ko e tataki 'ehe Laumalie e invent 'etau sisu Tonga...

'E fefee ka pehee sisu Tonga SUTT pee?? he 'e kehe 'a e sisu Tonga siasi
Tonga, pe sisu Tonga penitekosi, pee Sisu Tonga mamonga...fakatokanga'i 'oku
fele 'a e version...pea 'e kehe 'a e version 'a Dr Puloka pea 'e kehe 'a e
version 'a Pukemo'ui 'Aipolo..fefee ka pehee 'e Dr Ma'afu Palu ko e tataki
ia e Laumalie ke tau fai'aki pee Sisu Siuu...lava fefe ai ke tau 'ilo'i ko
fee 'oku tataki 'ehe Laumaliee??.'E inu kava malohi nai 'a Sisu pe inu kava
Tonga ka 'e hinga ia ka ala kiha uaine??

Fefee ke liliu ke sisu SUTT pee?? kae'oua 'e sisu Tonga he 'ikai loto kiai e
katolika ia mo e toenga e ngaahi siasii.


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Seni mo Veni,
Malo 'etau toe lava kae fai atu pe ha vavaku fakamahamahalo kia Sisu Tonga
kae'oua kuo toki fai mai ha fakamaama mei he kau Sia mei Tonga mo e uho 'o
'enau tala'otua 'o e Sisu Tonga.
Mahalo ne 'i ai pe 'uhinga ne mangamanga (hhf) ai 'a e fu'u 'elelo, kae
tefito pe taha, he 'Aho 'o e Penitekosi 'a ee na'a ne fakafonu 'a e ki'i
loki ne fakatefua ai 'a e toko 120 'o e fuofua kau fiemuimui kia Sisuu ...
Ne tupu ai hono faka'uhinga'i 'e he kakai ne nau 'i Selusalema kuo nau kona
folefole (hhf) he 9 pongipongi pe eni; he 'e kehekehe pe 'a 'etau takitaha
sio mo e faka'uhinga faka-e-tangata ki he misiteli 'o e ngaue 'a e 'Otua 'o
e Fakatupu, 'Otua 'ai Kakano 'ia Kalaisi, mo e 'Otua Feohi mo hono kakai 'i
he Laumalie Ma'oni'oni.
Ko Sisu fee nai eni 'oku lolotonga ngaue 'i hotau mamani he kuonga 'o
Sisu-Toetu'u-ka kuo-ne-ha'ele-hake (Sisu Kalaisi Siu 'Alo 'o e 'Otua) pea mo
Sisu-Te-Ne-Toe-Ha'ele-'anga-ua-mai (Post-Resurrected-Jesus &
Pre-Second-Coming-Jesus Era).
Hange kiate au ko 'eku fakamahamahalo atu eni ki he taukave 'o Sisu Tonga 'a
ia kuo faka-ha-sino mai 'a Sisu Kalaisi 'i he "Siasi Tapu mo Taha Pe pea mo
Ivi mo Mafai Fakalaumalie Ma'oni'oni" 'a ia 'oku ne lolotonga 'i Tonga mo
NZ, USA, mo mamani kotoa 'o kei ma'u ivi mei he fu'u 'elelo mangamanga ni ka
'oku tefito pe ki he Taha'i 'Otua pea ne hoko atu 'a e misiona 'a Sisu
Kalaisi 'o e Senituli 1 T.S. 'i he Senituli 21.
'Ofa ke mou ma'u ha Sapate lelei.
Mo e 'ofa mo e lotu - Lauleti
....................................
Veni wrote:
hahahaha! seni ta'ofi ia!!! mo'oni ko e me'a ia 'e iku ki ai. 'o tau
tofitofi 'a sisu.

ko e me'a ko ee 'e taha, 'oku kei palopalema pe 'a e fkkaukau ki he laumalie
he'e hange ia 'oku fkmo'oni 'a laumalie ia ki ha toe sisu kehe 'okapau 'e
sisu tonga. ko e sisu ko ee 'oku fkmo'oni ki ai 'a laumalie ko e sisu pe ko
..........................
Seni wrote:
ka ko e me'aa he 'oku tau kei fihi ni he fili palesitenii pe 'oku tataki
koaa 'ehe Laumalie Ma'oni'onii pee 'ikai....pea kapau 'oku tau fangatua he
tataki e ivi e Laumalie Ma'oni'onii he fili palesiteni, fefe ai 'etau falala
ko e tataki 'ehe Laumalie e invent 'etau sisu Tonga...

Sam Pakofe

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Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
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Malo lahi Faifekau e fakamaama mai, Kuou tui koe 'UHinga pe 'ena ia,,, pea 'oku 'ikai foki ke 'uhinga 'a Dr Mohenoa ia , ke 'omai 'a "Sisu" 'o "Fakatonga'ii [ o liliu ke Tonga ]  'o hange koe lae 'ae kau tama koee..
 
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Mahalo ko e Sisu Tonga ko e faka'amu ke ngaue'aki 'etau imaginations ke fakasino e Sisu 'o e hisitolia fakafou 'i he hypothetical question, "Na'e mei fefee nai kapau na'e fanau'i 'a Sisu 'i Tonga?" 

Ko e taha e me'a'ofa 'a e 'Otua ko e malava ke tau faka'imisi 'i hotau 'atamai (imaginations)'a e me'a 'oku mo'oni...imagination is a gift of God and it is meant to point us forward to reality.  Pea hangehangee koe imagination koe me'a'ofa ke ngauelelei'aki ki he fanau ke nau fakaofiofi ai ki he reality....ka 'e fakatu'utamaki ke faka'ataa ke nau mo'unofoa he imagination ka e ngalo e reality pee ko e taukave'i 'oku tatau e imagination moe reality

Hangee he'ikai palopalema ka fa'u he drama based on that hypothetical question...Fefee kapau na'e 'i fanau'i 'a Sisu 'i Tonga...mahalo ne 'alo popao, ne 'utuvai mo keli, to'otama, 'eva ki he ngaahi kalapu kava Tonga kae 'ikai ma'u ia 'ehe kavaa, etc...Hangehangee 'oku lelei pee pea tokoni ki he'etau feinga ke molomolo muiva'e kia Kalaisi 'a e feinga ko 'eni 'a Dr. Puloka...'Oku 'ikai ko e fehu'ia pe feinga ke faka'ikai'i e uho pee essence of Christ(who Jesus is?)...ka ko e feinga ke tali what would Jesus do?

'Oku fele 'a e 'asi 'i Amelika ni 'a e WWJD (what would Jesus do?)pea 'iai mo e fanga ki'i vesa, falani, kato, 'oku 'asi ai e fo'ilea WWJD...kapau ko e laumalie tatau 'oku feinga kiai 'a Dr. Puloka, teu sai'ia pee he Sisu Tonga...  Pea ko e me'a tatau mo e "Coconut theology"---Kou tui ko ha metitasio 'i he ngaahi me'a hotau 'aatakai tene lava 'o tuhu'i kitautolu ki he reality of the Cross. Me'anii 'e houhau 'a Sisu kapau teu ngaue'aki e niu mo hono huhu'aa ke fakasino e sakalamenitii? Kapau 'oku ne pule ki natula 'e unspiritual nai e niuu ia kae spiritual pee maa mo e uaine??

Kaikehe ko e fakatu'utamaki ka tau nofo he hypothetical question kae fakangaloki e historical reality...pea 'ikai ke tau ako'i e fanau ko Sisu i hono uho ne fanau'i 'i Palesitaine pea koe historical event...etc Ke 'oua na'a tau mo'unofoa he locality(Sisu Tonga) kae ngalo e universality(Sisu Siu). Teu connect lelei ange mo e toenga e mamanii he Sisu Siu moe ma, mo e uaine, sipi tauhi sipi etc...he kapau teu fakatonga'i e me'a kotoa 'a Sisu teu disconnect au mo e mamanii

Our Tongan Jesus should point us forward...and should be a mean to an end and not an end by itself.

Mahalo na'a 'oku 'ikai faka'ikai'i e Dr Puloka e Sisu hisitolia, ka 'oku ne ngaue'aki hotau 'atakai ke fa'u ai ha 'olita ke tau huu mo molomolomuiva'e ai kia Sisu ko e 'Otua....Perhaps he using our imagination to localize the historical reality of Christ...and I think it can help us to personalize and worship God richly as long as it points us to Christ who exists in and transcends history.

Kapau 'oku 'ova atu ia ki he hiki'i e Sisu Tongaa at the expense of Sisu Siu pea taa ko e tui kuikui devoid of reason pea ko e 'aitoli ia.

Mahalo 'e lelei e sisu Tonga kapau ko e feinga ke tali "What would Jesus Do?" Pea kapau ko e feinga ke tali "Who Jesus is?" he'ikai tonu ke tau tali 'aki 'a sisu Tonga kae tali 'aki 'a Sisu Siu...He is the Son of the Living God.

Perhaps Jesus is like the sun and our tongan jesus is like the moon--a powerless piece of rock, but it imperfectly reflects the sun and gives light to those who walk in the night to keep on seeking the dawn and the real light...


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2009/6/12 Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>:


> Malo lahi Faifekau e fakamaama mai, Kuou tui koe 'UHinga pe 'ena ia,,, pea
> 'oku 'ikai foki ke 'uhinga 'a Dr Mohenoa ia , ke 'omai 'a "Sisu" 'o
> "Fakatonga'ii [ o liliu ke Tonga ]  'o hange koe lae 'ae kau tama koee..

Sami, 'oku fakamafana 'a e vakai atu 'oku ua 'a e tafa'aki pea 'i he
lolotonga 'etau kei fakatatali ko ia ki he ma'unga fakamatala 'a T T M
Puloka, na 'e 'iai 'a e ki'i fanongo talanoa ki he faka'amu 'a Tevita
Tonga Mohenoa 'i he taimi 'oku ne mamata atu ai ki ha me'a 'oku ne
manumanu melie 'ia ai pea ne faka'amua ke 'A TONGA MAI Eeeee!!!!!!

Sami, 'oku tau lau 'a e ngaahi me'a lelei kotoa pe ko e me'a 'a Tonga
pea ko e ha 'oku 'ikai lava ai ketau 'omai 'a e lelei taupotu 'o lau
ko e me'a ia 'a Tonga

Utther

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Ko hai 'oku talanoa? ko e talanoa eni 'i he vaa 'o e ongo faifekau SUTT koe'uhi ko e tokateline 'oku fehangahangai mo e fakapapau faka-SUTT. 'oku fiema'u nai ke 'i ai ha'atau matasio'ata faka-Sutt ke siofi'aki e tepile ni? 'E kau lelei ka tau 'ilo ki he mo'oni 'o e fakapapau ko ia pea mo hano ngaahi fakahinohino mei he ngaahi ngaahi konisitutone, lao pe ko e haa fua e ngaahi me'a 'oku kaungatonu ki ai (ko e kaila mama'o atu pe eni ia mo e fie'ilo pe). Ka ala fokotu'u hake mo e fakapapau faka-faifekau faka-Sutt ko e tokoni lahi.

kataki pe he fa'a kole,
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Loke, ko e fehu'i lelei ena, ka te tau iku fai fakamaau ai -- tonu koe, hala koe; lea koe, tapuni koe -- pea fakaofi atu ai ki he fakamaau lau. fefe kapau te tau lau e fakamatala kuo fokotu'u, pea tu'unga ai hano faofao'i 'etau ngaahi fakakaukau?
 
'oku ou tokanga atu na'a tau mo'ua he fefakamaau'aki kae mole e faingamalie ke tau tasilisili mo fakaloloto ai 'etau ngaahi ma'u. hange ko e lau 'a Utther, "ke 'a Tonga mai ee" pea tatafe ai ke ma'u e "ke 'a'aku mai e fakakaukau ko ee ..."  OR  "kataki, 'oku ou poaki atu au he fa'ahinga fakakaukau ko ena ..." mo e ha fua
 
'oua te tau fakaofi ki he fai fakamaau he ko e me'a ia 'oku fuhu ai e ngaahi fakataha'anga fakasiasi!
 
pe 'oku hala ko aa 'eku ma'u? jh

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Ko hai 'oku talanoa?
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sfaupula

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kataki atu ka 'oku ou pehe hili 'eku laulau mai e ngaahi me'a 'a puloka 'oku 'ikai ha me'a ia ai teu pehe 'oku loloto. pea taha 'oku 'ikai keu tui au ko e ola eni 'o e muimui kia sisu, ka ko e ola 'o e ta'au fk-lipilale 'o e 'apiako ne ako ai e tangata ni.
 
it's one of the so called theology from margin type approach. and
 
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 11:18 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

malo jhavea e fkmaama pea ko e me'a mo'oni foki ia. ko e ongo background mahalo 'oku toe mama'o atu ia mei he tokanga 'a e loke, ko e fa'ahinga view 'oku takitaha 'e he ongo fkkaukau pe taukave 'a e ongo tangata ko eni te tau IKU a'u ki ai pea 'e fkhela he taumaiaa 'e lava ai ha fetukulolo'aki fkefkkaukau.
 
'aongaange e siofi ha fklahi 'o 'ete ki'i 'oa na'a hu'amai e tahi.
 
ko e TAHA eni he keli fkloloto kuo fkhoko 'e he faifekau (pule ako sia 'a toutai) he tafa'aki 'o e Ako teolosia 'i he pasifiki kae tautautefito ki Tonga. Pea 'oku felave'i tonu eni mo e fk-kaukau 'o e Siasi (ko e kakai Tui, ka ko e SINO HAMAI 'O SISU). Ko e fa'ahinga Teolosia 'a e pule ako sia 'a toutai, 'oku FATU ia mei he A'USIA pea mo e OLA 'o 'ENE HOKO KO E MUIMUI 'O SISU, pea mo e KUPU 'O E SINO HAMAI 'o Sisu Kalaisi.
 
 
ko e fao atu pe.
'ofa atu mo e lotu
lotopoha.

2009/6/12 jione havea <jha...@gmail.com>


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kataki atu ka 'oku ou pehe hili 'eku laulau mai e ngaahi me'a 'a puloka 'oku 'ikai ha me'a ia ai teu pehe 'oku loloto. pea taha 'oku 'ikai keu tui au ko e ola eni 'o e muimui kia sisu, ka ko e ola 'o e ta'au fk-lipilale 'o e 'apiako ne ako ai e tangata ni.
 
it's one of the so called theology from the margin type approach and although it has some useful things to say like the rest of the theologies from the margin, it does more damage to our faith and trust in christ and than good. ahahahahah!
 
 
 
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Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

malo jhavea e fkmaama pea ko e me'a mo'oni foki ia. ko e ongo background mahalo 'oku toe mama'o atu ia mei he tokanga 'a e loke, ko e fa'ahinga view 'oku takitaha 'e he ongo fkkaukau pe taukave 'a e ongo tangata ko eni te tau IKU a'u ki ai pea 'e fkhela he taumaiaa 'e lava ai ha fetukulolo'aki fkefkkaukau.
 
'aongaange e siofi ha fklahi 'o 'ete ki'i 'oa na'a hu'amai e tahi.
 
ko e TAHA eni he keli fkloloto kuo fkhoko 'e he faifekau (pule ako sia 'a toutai) he tafa'aki 'o e Ako teolosia 'i he pasifiki kae tautautefito ki Tonga. Pea 'oku felave'i tonu eni mo e fk-kaukau 'o e Siasi (ko e kakai Tui, ka ko e SINO HAMAI 'O SISU). Ko e fa'ahinga Teolosia 'a e pule ako sia 'a toutai, 'oku FATU ia mei he A'USIA pea mo e OLA 'o 'ENE HOKO KO E MUIMUI 'O SISU, pea mo e KUPU 'O E SINO HAMAI 'o Sisu Kalaisi.
 
 
ko e fao atu pe.
'ofa atu mo e lotu
lotopoha.

2009/6/12 jione havea <jha...@gmail.com>
Loke, ko e fehu'i lelei ena, ka te tau iku fai fakamaau ai -- tonu koe, hala koe; lea koe, tapuni koe -- pea fakaofi atu ai ki he fakamaau lau. fefe kapau te tau lau e fakamatala kuo fokotu'u, pea tu'unga ai hano faofao'i 'etau ngaahi fakakaukau?

Sam Pakofe

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From: Kit Finau <kfi...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, 13 June, 2009 8:49:38 AM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
Sami, 'oku fakamafana 'a e vakai atu 'oku ua 'a e tafa'aki pea 'i he
lolotonga 'etau kei fakatatali ko ia ki he ma'unga fakamatala 'a T T M
Puloka, na 'e 'iai 'a e ki'i fanongo talanoa ki he faka'amu 'a Tevita
Tonga Mohenoa 'i he taimi 'oku ne mamata atu ai ki ha me'a 'oku ne
manumanu melie 'ia ai pea ne faka'amua ke 'A TONGA MAI Eeeee!!!!!!

Sami, 'oku tau lau 'a e ngaahi me'a lelei kotoa pe ko e me'a 'a Tonga
pea ko e ha 'oku 'ikai lava ai ketau 'omai 'a e lelei taupotu 'o lau
ko e me'a  ia 'a Tonga
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 Malo hono faofao mai Kiti,pea koe 'etau Faka'amu ia, ka 'oku 'ikai foki ke tatau ia moe lau 'ae ta'afi koee," koee, kuo nau loto pe nau tolu ke tau hange koe "Mosilemi" 'o fai e lotu moe me';a kotoa pe he toto'onga Faka-Hepelu ( Siu/ Palesitaine), 'o tatau aipe pe ko fe ha potu 'i mamani e a'u kiai e LOtu Fakamosi, pea 'e kei Faka- moulu pe ia he toto'onga Fakahahake Lotoloto.
 
Ka koe fakakaukau kuo ke 'omai koe mo'oni.." ke 'omai 'ae lelei-taupotu" koe me'a [tauhi ] 'e Tonga
 
'oku 'ikai foki teu sio au kihe " Sino" faka-kakano 'o Sisu, he koe tama Nasaleti ia, Ka kuo sio au masi'i Kit, Kihono "Konga'ii -[sino] Faka'Otua, [Laumalie-Ma'oni'oni] hange koe lave 'a Lauleti..
 
Koe Laumalie Mao'oni, koia 'ae "Sisu" he Taimi ni, pea koia 'ae Sisu-'e Fe'unga moe feitu'u Kotoa pe, Tonga, NZ , Usa pea kau ai hoku ki'ii Fokoutua'anga..
 
pea kau ka mataa tonu hono fofonga [ 'i Tonga, 'i Api] teu toki lata ai au...
 
pe oku ofi atu koaa masi'i Kit eni.
 
sami.

Sam Pakofe

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Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
kataki atu ka 'oku ou pehe hili 'eku laulau mai e ngaahi me'a 'a puloka 'oku 'ikai ha me'a ia ai teu pehe 'oku loloto. pea taha 'oku 'ikai keu tui au ko e ola eni 'o e muimui kia sisu, ka ko e ola 'o e ta'au fk-lipilale 'o e 'apiako ne ako ai e tangata ni.
 -----------------------------------------------------------
Malie lahi ia Veni, kapau koe "ta'au-Fakalipilale" 'a Dr Puloka, pea hange leva 'oku nofo mai 'ae Fakakaukau 'a Dr Palu he "ta'au-fakakonisevitale",
Pea kuo sio leva au, ko fee nai ai ha me'a e ala lelei ke "Fakalaka ai e mo'ui-Fakakalisitiane" kimu'a ke 'oua na'a "kei-fakavilo" 'ae Kau LOtu ka nau sio hangatonu atu pe 'o hange koha'anau me'a", kenau tau'ataina 'o fai 'e nga'unu holo "ka 'oku kei 'iai pe 'ae 'Otua,,
 
He kuo sio au, kapau koe taa'u faka-konisevitale ia, he'ikai   lava ha ngu'unu holo ia, ka tu'u meihe hahake, koe male'ei kotoa pe kihe hahake, ka kuou fakakaukau pe 'e lava nai, ke hange koe "lau 'ae Saame,, Kau ka i lalo-fonua, 'oku ne 'iai pe, Kau 'ihe vavaa 'oku ne 'iai pe, pea kau ka i Tonga fakafeta'i 'oku ne 'iai pe, pea kau 'i mohenga peau hakahaka mo punopuna he 'oku ne 'iai pe ..
 
koetalaloto fakalipilale pe masi'i 'Ahau...
 
sami.
 
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Ma'afu Palu, malo e ngaue lahi pea malo ho'o loto lelei ke tuku mai ki faleni ke mau ma'u koloa ai. Ka kuo ngali tuai ke a'u mai ki faleni ha pepa pe koha fakamatala 'a Mohenoa Puloka ki he'ene Sisuu. Pea 'i he tu'unga koia 'e ngali fu'u ta'efakapotopoto ke fai ha'aku lau ki he Sisu 'a Puloka.
 
Koe toki 'osi 'eni 'eku lau 'ae konga 'uluaki (Ko hono taa'i 'oe Mefoti Faka-Fakaukau 'a e Sisu Tonga) pea 'oku 'iai e ngaahi me'a 'oku ne fakafaingata'a'ia 'a e mahino kiai au 'a ho'o tali kia Puloka. 'Oku 'ikai ke mahino mei he tali kuoke faii pe koe ha 'ae Mefoti Fakafakakaukau na'e ngaue 'aki 'e Puloka. 'Oku 'ikai foki ke mahino kia teau mei he tali kuoke faii pe koe ha 'ae  Mefoti Fakafakaanga 'oku ke ngaue'aki.
 
Hangehange kia teau koho'o Mefoti Faka-Fakaanga kohono fakaanga'i 'ae ola 'oe vivili 'a Puloka ke fakahalaki 'aki 'ae Mefoti Faka-Fakakaukau 'a Puloka, ka 'oku 'ikai keu fakapapau'i.
 
Kataki 'o tokoni mai ke makatu'unga ai ha mahino 'ae ngaue mahu'inga kuoke fai ki he motu'a fakapo'uli ni. Moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone

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me'anii 'oku toki ngali 'otua pe 'ofa 'a e 'otua 'oka toki hoko ko ha taha he ngaahi matakali?
 
mahino mai eni ia 'oku kehe 'a sisu 'otua ia mei he sisu na'e ha'ele holo 'i palestaine he 1 ki he 33ad... malie ia pea 'oku tau tu'u pe 'o sio hifo ki he takele 'o e 'oseni ko ia 'oku takakau holo ai e fanga ki'i peepee... hahahheheheh!!!
 
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:33 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

Hangee ko e taukave 'a Sione Uesile, 'oku 4. (tohitapu, fk-'uhingame'a, a'usia mo e tukufkholo).
 
Pea ko e "Sisu-Siu" ko e konga tangata ia, ka ko "Sisu Laumalie mo 'Otua" (divine) 'aia 'oku tefito ai 'a e KAKAI KOTOA PE (matakali kotoa pe he mamani), ko Ia ia 'oku tau 'ataa atu ai ko e kakai Tui ke "kainga" mo Ia, ka 'i hotau ngaahi sino takitaha 'o tatau ai pe pe ko e ha e matakali 'oku te KAU ki ai.
 
 Kosipeli 'a Sione 'oku ne fkhaa'i ai ko Sisu ne 'i mu'a 'a noa pe he kamata'anga (pre-existent spirit being and divine) 1:1, 'aia ko e already existing spirit na'e hoko mai 'o 'AIKAKANO he tatau 'o e tangata. Neongo na'e HOKOMAI 'o 'AIKAKANO he lotofale mo e famili Siu, ka 'oku 'IKAI 'uhinga ia 'e HOKO AI hono spiritual being ko e SIU, he ko e 'Otua Ia 'oku 'o'ona 'a e me'a kotoa pe.
 
'Oku 'IKAI ha TAHA ia 'oku TAAU mo FE'UNGA  ke ne TAUKAVE'I 'a e DIVINE 'o Sisu ko 'ENAU me'a, he kapau ne pekia 'a hono SINO (TANGATA) ma'a mamani katoa (Sione 3:16), ke nau ma'u e Mo'ui 'o founga'i he Tui, pea ko e haa ko aa KUO FAI AI e mamahi he'ene HOKO 'I HONO SPIRIT pea pehe KI HONO 'OTUA ko e "Tonga, Fisi, Siaina mo e ha fua e matakali etc., koe'uhi ke ngali 'OTUA 'ENE 'OFA 'o 'ikai fktonutonu, ka 'oku tatau pe ki he Angahala mo e Faitotonu.
 
mo'oni e talaloto 'a e punake, "Ko hai 'e lau 'a e 'Ofa ni Funga ni?
'A e misitei taumama'o atu? Ko e Polo'i au 'o 'Atonai, 'O'oku Ia pea 'O'ona au."
 
ko e lolotoange fau pea 'au, !!!
 
'ofa atu mo e lotu
lotopha.

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mo'oni ia fkongo he ka 'ave ke tonga 'a sisu pea ta 'oku 'ikai kene lave'i kotoa 'e ia e toenga e ngaahi matakali... sai ange pe hono tuku pe ke 'otua na'e hoko mai 'o tangata siu pea toki fai mei ai 'ene ngaue ki mamani... mo'oni e lau 'a seni, me'a ni 'e loto e toenga e ngaahi siasi 'i tonga ki he me'a ni? pea ka 'ikai ko hai kitautolu kau sutt ke tau pehe atu ko sisu tonga eni mou omi 'o lotu ki ai... hahahahhehehah!!!!!!!!
 
koeha ha si'i hia 'a sisu na'e hoko mai ko e siu ketau ala atu ai 'o fohi (hff) hono siu.... hehehehehahaheh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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sfaupula

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'e toki fai mai 'e ma'afu ia ha'ane tali, ka ko e mefoti 'a puloka, tapu mo ia, ko e fananga... 'oku lave pe ki ai e pepa 'a ma'afu... hehehe!!!!
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Lousiale Uasike

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--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Lotopoha Jeruel <seluel...@gmail.com> wrote: . . .  Ko e fa'ahinga Teolosia 'a e pule ako sia 'a toutai, 'oku FATU ia mei he A'USIA . . .
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ne 'i ai 'e ki'i lave 'a e fakamatala 'a ma'afu ki he "fatu mei he a'usia" - pea fai ai hono tokanga'i 'a e "wesleyan quadrilateral" pe ko ia 'oku ui 'e jh ko e "mata lalava 'a sione uesile". ko hono faka'ilonga'i heni 'a e "mata lalava 'a sione uesile", koe'uhi, ko e makatu'unga 'o e ta kuo fai 'e ma'afu, fakatefito he fakapapau 'a e faifekau sutt ki hono ngaahi fatongia ke fai - 'a ia ko e ngaahi me'a ne ohi mo fatu mei he ngaahi akonaki 'a sione uesile.
 
ko 'eku tokanga'i e fakamatala 'a ma'afu he'ene taa'i e ngaahi fakakaukau 'a mohenoa, 'oku ne taa'i fakamo'oni 'aki 'a e folofola (scripture). hangehange 'oku nofotaha pe 'a e fakamatala 'a ma'afu he matalalava 'e taha 'a sione uesile, 'a e folofola - pea ngali kuo 'ikai ai ha faingamalie ia 'o e a'usia (experience) he theological reflection 'a mohenoa. 'oku mahu'inga heni 'a e fai e "lalava" - 'aki 'a e ngaahi tu'oni kafa 'e fa - ko ia koaa pe 'ikai.
 
ko e taha e ngaahi lea tonga maheni ne ngaue'aki 'e he kau tokateline kimu'a 'i he sia ke fakamatala'i'aki 'a sisu, ko sisu ko hotau fakafotufotuaki. pea ko e pununga fakatonga ne mohenga ai 'a e fakafotufotuaki, ko e talanoa 'o e hu louifi - mo hono ngaue'aki 'a e pilinisi kalauni 'o e 'aho ko ia, 'o fakamu'omu'a he kainga he fononga ki he ta'ahine kuini he fai 'o e kole 'ene fakamolemole (mou maheni mo e talanoa ko ia). ko e ha e tu'unga 'o e sisu tonga 'a mohenoa he contextual theology, mo e contextualization, mo e inculturation? - ka 'oku mo'oni 'a e totonu ke ma'u mai 'a e fakamatala 'a mohenoa -
 
ko e taha e fakakaukau ne kau hono taa'i 'e ma'afu ko e pehe na'e 'i tonga pe 'a e kosipeli ia kimu'a he kau misinale, ko e toki ha'u pe 'a e kau misinale 'o faka'ilonga'i. pea hangehange 'oku kau mo e ngaahi nga'unu 'o e contextualization ia he pasifiki hono taa'i he maama 'o e fakamatala 'a ma'afu.  
 
ko e kau'italanoa pe

Kit Finau

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>> 2009/6/12 jione havea <jha...@gmail.com>

>>>
>>> 'oua te tau fakaofi ki he fai fakamaau he ko e me'a ia 'oku fuhu ai e
>>> ngaahi fakataha'anga fakasiasi!
>>>
>>> pe 'oku hala ko aa 'eku ma'u? jh
>>> *****
ko e taha e ngaahi fatongia 'o e matu'a ko e fakatokanga me'a ki he
fanau ke pukepuke 'aki 'a e molumalu mo e ma'uma'uluta 'o e nofo
famili.

ko e taimi 'e ni'ihi 'oku ki'i hoha'a mo longoa'a 'a e matu'a ia pea
'oku pehe mai leva e fanau ia - Daaad...........tuku ia......no mom!!

'oku 'i ai 'a e faka'apa'apa atu kiate kimoutolu kau faifekau pea 'oku
ou tui 'oku hoko 'etau ngaahi tokehekehe ko hotau fakakoloa kae tuku
aaa mom n dad..Utther

mohetaulanga kupu

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Loke ki'i lahilahi lau ki he Sisu Tonga te tau lava ai ki he Puleanga, 'o hange koe talanoa 'oe Sapate Puleanga 'Otua Tatau moe tenga'i musita. Mou tokanga mai ke he etau Samena ko 'eni kau faifekau.He 'oku mau tali atu ke laulau mai.
seniale

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Jh mo Lotopoha 'oku te faka'amu atu pe ke 'oua na'a aafe 'a e tasilisili ki he ha'aha'a 'oku muimui mai 'i he'eku kole. Malo ongotama e fakatokanga mai!
loke



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lotopoha Jeruel" <seluel...@gmail.com>
> To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:18:31 -0700
>
>
> malo jhavea e fkmaama pea ko e me'a mo'oni foki ia. ko e ongo background
> mahalo 'oku toe mama'o atu ia mei he tokanga 'a e loke, ko e fa'ahinga view
> 'oku takitaha 'e he ongo fkkaukau pe taukave 'a e ongo tangata ko eni te tau
> IKU a'u ki ai pea 'e fkhela he taumaiaa 'e lava ai ha fetukulolo'aki
> fkefkkaukau.
>
> 'aongaange e siofi ha fklahi 'o 'ete ki'i 'oa na'a hu'amai e tahi.
>
> ko e TAHA eni he keli fkloloto kuo fkhoko 'e he faifekau (pule ako sia 'a
> toutai) he tafa'aki 'o e Ako teolosia 'i he pasifiki kae tautautefito ki
> Tonga. Pea 'oku felave'i tonu eni mo e fk-kaukau 'o e Siasi (ko e kakai Tui,
> ka ko e SINO HAMAI 'O SISU). Ko e fa'ahinga Teolosia 'a e pule ako sia 'a
> toutai, 'oku FATU ia mei he A'USIA pea mo e OLA 'o 'ENE HOKO KO E MUIMUI 'O
> SISU, pea mo e KUPU 'O E SINO HAMAI 'o Sisu Kalaisi.
>
>
> ko e fao atu pe.
> 'ofa atu mo e lotu
> lotopoha.
>
> 2009/6/12 jione havea <jha...@gmail.com>
>
> > *Loke, ko e fehu'i lelei ena, ka te tau iku fai fakamaau ai -- tonu koe,
> > hala koe; lea koe, tapuni koe -- pea fakaofi atu ai ki he fakamaau lau. fefe
> > kapau te tau lau e fakamatala kuo fokotu'u, pea tu'unga ai hano faofao'i
> > 'etau ngaahi fakakaukau?*
> > **
> > *'oku ou tokanga atu na'a tau mo'ua he fefakamaau'aki kae mole e
> > faingamalie ke tau tasilisili mo fakaloloto ai 'etau ngaahi ma'u. hange ko e
> > lau 'a Utther, "ke 'a Tonga mai ee" pea tatafe ai ke ma'u e "ke 'a'aku mai e
> > fakakaukau ko ee ..." OR "kataki, 'oku ou poaki atu au he fa'ahinga
> > fakakaukau ko ena ..." mo e ha fua*
> > **
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Lousiale, malie lahi 'ae fakamanatuu pea mohono feinga'i ke fakanofonofo e ngaahi me'a ngaue 'oku fai 'aki 'ae kumi moe vivili 'oku tau fai ki he 'Otua. Pea koe tekaki tomui ko'eni 'oe me'a kuo taku koe me'a fakauesilee, hangehange kiateau koe ola ia 'ahono 'analaiso 'ehe kau kumi 'uhingaa, hili 'oe taimi 'o Uesilee. Ka 'oka pau tetau 'analaiso fakalelei pe 'ae ngaahi ngaue kuo fai 'ehe kau kumii, 'o kau ai 'a Ma'afu mo Mohenoa, pea 'e mahino 'aupito pe koe faa'i me'a ngaue ko'eni (mahalo moe ngaahi me'a kehee pe) 'oku nau ngaue kota 'aki pe, neongo 'oku nau ngali kehekehe he matapa hu'anga ki he loto fale 'oe veiveiuaa.
 
Kuo fakamo'oni'i 'ehe ni'ihi 'kihe tu'ulotoloto 'ae hemeniutika 'i hono ngaue 'aki 'oe ngaahi me'a ngaue koiaa, koia leva, neongo pe koe fe 'ae matapa 'oku hu ai tokotaha kumii, pea neongo pe koe me'angaue 'e fiha 'e ngaue 'aki,  he'ikai pe ke ala fakamavae'i kinautolu he koe 'uhi koe tu'u lotoloto ai 'ae hemeniutikaa.
 
Koe 'uhinga 'o 'eku fehu'i kia Ma'afu, he 'oku matamata kiateau koe mefatolosia koee 'oku ne fakaanga'i koia pe ia 'ae mefatolosia koee 'oku ne ngaue 'akii (ka koe anga ia 'eku fakamahamahalo atu kiai).
 
'Oku ou nofo pe 'o manumanumelie'ia atu he langa ngaue 'oku fai 'e Nasili Vaka'uta pea mo'ene Kulupu Hemeniutikaa, pea 'oku tui tenau lava 'o tokoni mai ke fakamaama 'a e felalave'i ko'eni kuo fai kiai 'eku lave ki 'olungaa. Ka 'oku ou kei manatu pe ki he 'ene pehee he Konifelenisi 'ae Metoo he 2008 "Koe ola 'oe fakatonulea kotoa pe 'oku nofo pe he tokotaha kumii"  Koia neongo 'oku pehee 'e Ma'afu ia ko'ene Sisuu koe Sisuu Siu ia, hangehange kia teau, koe Sisu pe ia 'a Ma'afu pea koe Sisuu 'a Mohenoa koe Sisuu pe ia 'a Mohenoa.
 
Mahalo koe me'amahu'inga pe ke ai ha Sisuu 'ae tokotaha tuii, koia Sami mo Pope mo 'ofa mai aa 'o tali aa 'a Sisuu, tatau pe pe ko e Sisu fe, koloa pe ke Sisuu. Moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone

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On Sat, 13/6/09, Lotopoha Jeruel <seluel...@gmail.com> wrote:

hangee ko e lave 'a jhavea, 'oku ala ma'u pe mei he ngaahi poini attack 'a e kau anga'i 'o e pule ako sia 'a toutai 'a e fkofiofi ki heme'a ne 'uhinga ki ai e fatu mo makatu'unga 'o e fokotu'utu'u 'o e "sisu tonga".
ko e taha foki he me'a ke tokanga'i, ko e key question. 'oku mahu'inga ke tonu e fa'ahnga fehu'i ko eni he taimi 'oku siofi ai mo fokotu'u
> ai pe fatu ha'ate fo'i fk-kaukau fklotukalafi.
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Kataki atu na'a taku kuo fai ha fakamaau, fiepoto, anga'i e sisu tonga 'oku fokotu'u mai 'e he toketaa....kole keu hufanga he kau Peleaa...malanga mai 'a Paula...nau fanongo telinga pea nau foki ki 'api 'o hakule 'enau tohitapu...sio pee 'oku hoa koaa '
enau tohitapuu mo e tohitapu 'a Paulaa....

Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. " (Acts 17:11)

Kuo tau a'u ki he kuonga ko e lea pee toketaa kuo muunoa e kau Peleaa he na'e 'ikai ke nau ako...taa 'oku tau vilo hake he kuonga ni ke tau fk-katolika...lau mai pee mo fakatonulea mai e patelee...toki fai mei Loma hotau talaa....ko hai kimautolu ke fehu'ia...koe tu'unga ia e lotuu 'i Tongaa...

Kataki ko e fie'ilo mo'oni pee 'eni fekau'aki mo e Sisu Tongaa....'afio'i mai 'e Sihova 'oku 'ikai ko ha'ate 'ai ke fai ha fakateetee pe ko hai 'oku lahi 'ene 'ilo he 'oku fakamole taimi pea tau faiangahala ai...'oku tau felingiaki he ideas that will have consequences...ne tohi fiefia mai hoku cousin mei fanga o pilolevu he internet na'a nau fai e drama sisu tonga....peau pehee loto so what? na'e tokoni'i nai kia koe ke tuku ho'o konaa moe ifi tapakaa? toe faka'ai'ai koe ke lahiange ho'o 'ofa 'o lau e tohitapu faka'aho etc.?

Fehu'i Fakamaatoato 'oku ou kole atu Lotopoha ke fakamaama mai kapau 'oku ke a'usia e fa'ahinga a'usia 'a Dr.Puloka

1)Ko ho'o lave 'i 'olunga ko e "Ka ko e sio ia 'o e sisu tonga 'oku makatu'unga ia he sisu'o e 'aho ni (sisu laumalie) neongo 'e pau 'ene lave ki he 'aneafi."

'I he toetu'u 'a Sisu, na'e 'iai e fotunga tangata...na'e kaitunu mo e kau ako...etc...na'e talaange kia tomasi ke faa ange...taimi tatau ne lava pee sino ko ia 'o go through he holisi pea fefononga'aki pee he tupulefanua etc...but he has a human face....fotunga tangata...pea a'u ki he ha'ele hake ki langi....ko e fotunga fakahevani, fakasiu, pe fakaTonga....

2)'I he tohi fakahaa 'oku 'asi e alekoli ko hono "fotunga ko e afi...etc"...'e 'i fee heni e fotunga tonga 'a kapau ko e feinga 'eni ke fakatonga 'a Sisu Laumalie hangee ko ho'o lavee?

3)Ko e sisu Tonga 'e fatu 'i he laumalie 'oku ai e totonu e ngaahi matakali 'o e mamani ke fatu ha'anau Sisu ke hoa mo honau culture etc...'e toe leleiange e lotu e mamanii eg. ke 'iai ha Sisu African American e kau 'uli'uli mo e Sisu palangi e kau palangii??

4)Kapau 'oku tau fieako ki ha piokalafi 'o ha taha ke tau molomolo muiva'e ki he'ene to'onga mo'ui eg. Lincoln....'e leleiange nai 'eku molomolomuiva'ee he 'eku feinga keu pehee "ne mei fefee kapau na'e fa'ele'i a lincoln in Tonga pee ko 'eku pehee "ne mei fefee kapau na'e fa'ele'i au 'i Amelika keu mahino'i e to'onga mo'ui 'a Lincoln pea u toki sio how will I adapt it to my context?

5)Manatu'i 'eni --no one, no nation etc owns Jesus...the Jews do/did not own Jesus...Jesus own us...owns Tonga......It is us who exist for God. God chose to be Jew according to his own will...

6)Fefee 'eku fehu'i kimu'a--'e kau mo e Lami/Sipi ....he fakaTonga'i koe'uhii ke mahinoange 'etau sisuu tongaa...??kapau ko e sisu tonga ko e fakasino 'a Sisu Laumalie, 'oku tau mo'ua nai he fa'utamapua...recreating God (Sisu Laumalie) in our own image?

7)Fakamolemole atu kau tasilisili...ko e fie'ilo mo'oni pee 'eni fakataha mo e kau peeleaa...'ikai fai ha a'u ki he kiliki mo e hepeluuu...ko e feinga pee ke makes sense.....he 'oku te'eki keu fanongo ha feinga e kau palangi ke 'iai ha Sisu palangi etc...kou manavasi'i na'a hangee ko e hanu 'a ha finemotu'a "I used to pray God protect me from the enemy...now I'm praying God please protect me from my pastor and his theology."---Kaikehe ko e veipaa ena e ongo toketaa...ka ko e consequence 'e fua 'ehe kakai... 'oku nau mamahi'i e lotu...pea 'oku nau muimui ta'etoefehu'ia e 'pea' mo e na'e 'a e kau toketaa 'oku nau tataki 'etau lotuu.


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On Jun 11, 3:50 pm, Sam Pakofe <pako...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> ________________________________
> From: Sam Pakofe <pako...@yahoo.com.au>
> To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 June, 2009 6:33:01 PM
> Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
>
>
> 'Oku tau lau pe kiai , Koe 'ikai ketau Lotu pe tautolu kia "Tangaloa, mo Maui he na'e 'i Tonga ....... te tau a'u kihe tu'unga, koe "lau -matakali" moe lau lanu ,, 'ae e'oku fai 'ehe kau "Siu" he taimi ni,,,,,,, 'onau tala ko "Sisu moe 'Otua pe 'anautolu pe ......... koe me'a ia 'oku ui koe "Faka'iii",, hange 'oku nau faka'ii 'Otua.. kae hili koia , kuo tau kau kotoa kihono "Siasi Tapu, 'o hange koe lau 'ae Tui 'ae Kau 'Aposetolo..
>
Sami, kataki mu'a 'oua toe 'ohake 'a Tangaloa.............ko e haaa
koaaa e tala 'o Pouono......'ikai ne fai e tuku-fonua pea momoi hake
'a Tonga 'o tuku ki 'olunga??....hono 'ikai ifo 'ete polepole he
moto!! " Ko e 'Otua (Sisu) mo Tonga ko hota Tofi'a" Poupou atu
Sami he ko Sisu ko e 'Alifa mo e 'Omeka pea Satai ai pe ko e Fe'unga
mo Aoniu.

Lousiale Uasike

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ko e mo'oni foki lone 'a e neongo pe ko e fo'i kafa pe 'oku te puke - ka 'oku lau hono 'aonga hono lalava fakataha mo e ngaahi tu'oni kafa kehe e. pea neongo foki 'a e ngaahi taimi ni'ihi 'o ha appeal taautaha 'a sione uesile ki he folofola, tukufakaholo, faka'uhinga pe a'usia 'i ha'ane fakamaama fakatokateline pe tokoni ki he mo'ui fakalotu 'a e kakai - ka na'e 'ikai pehe ia 'oku teka taha ai 'a e fo'i kafa ia ko ia. 'oku pau pe ke 'ai ha fo'i filoi hake ha taha pe ua 'o e ngaahi fo'i kafa e.
 
kae hange ko e fa'a toutou fakafehu'i 'a fakapulia he tasilisili'i 'o e ngaahi kosipeli 'o e sapate - ko hai 'a Sisu? pea hange ko ho'o lave, ko sisu kia mohenoa 'ene ngaahi fakamatala 'o e sisu tonga pea ko sisu kia ma'afu 'ene ngaahi taukave 'o e sisu siu. 'o aofangatuku ai pe ki he tokotaha kumi mo fie'ilo ki he 'uhinga 'apee koaa lone.
 
ko e teuteu lotu pe ki he sapate.

--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Saikolone Taufa <taufach...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

From: Saikolone Taufa <taufach...@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

Iki Tausinga

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on behalf of Saikolone Taufa
Mahalo koe me'amahu'inga pe ke ai ha Sisuu 'ae tokotaha tuii, koia Sami mo Pope mo 'ofa mai aa 'o tali aa 'a Sisuu, tatau pe pe ko e Sisu fe, koloa pe ke Sisuu.
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Masi'i Lone, 'oku te'eki koaa ke tali 'e hoku tokoua ko ena ko Sami 'a Sisu?? ha ha haaa!
moe kata lahi faufaua atu pe meihe tafa'aki, it.

Sam Pakofe

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From: Saikolone Taufa <taufach...@xtra.co.nz>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2009 12:27:06 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
 Mahalo koe me'amahu'inga pe ke ai ha Sisuu 'ae tokotaha tuii, koia Sami mo Pope mo 'ofa mai aa 'o tali aa 'a Sisuu, tatau pe pe ko e Sisu fe, koloa pe ke Sisuu. Moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone
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Ko 'atunga foki ia msi'i LOne e "Fakatonutonu" -Sisu", he ne 'osi talamai 'ehe "Tama, [Sisu] teu 'alu kae ha'u hoku Fetongi 'ae Laumalie Ma'oni'oni, pea lolotonga 'etau fakaloloto he Laumalie Ma'oni'oni kuo tau toe foki 'o "Lau-Sisu", koe me'a ia 'ae Kau Siu, koe fakatonutonu me'a,,, fielau hono nafu nautolu 'e Hitler koe 'ai'aime'a..
 
Ka sai pe Lone, he teu "Faka-hingoa 'e au 'a Sisu-Tonga ko "Tangaloa" pe ko Maui-  heee, ke 'oua na'a toe mo'utafu'ua e kau sulu ia koee he 'anu Sisu Siu.... Teu foki kihe natula 'oe Kuonga FM he na'e fakahingoa 'aki pe 'ehe Kau Lotu mu'a 'aki 'a Sihova 'ae Hingoa pe 'anautolu,,,
 
ka kuo fuoloa pe  'emau  kaume'a maua ia mo Pope mo  Sisu masi'i Lone,, 
 
mahalo kuo mohe 'a Sisu iaaa,,
sami.

 


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From: Iki Tausinga <iki.ta...@tcc.to>
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Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2009 6:05:52 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
moe kata lahi faufaua atu pe meihe tafa'aki, it..
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Fafaa-po'uli,  ne 'osi fai hono tali, pea fai mohono ki'i Fakaafe pea teuteu mohono mohe'anga, pea fakamaau 'o tafi hono Loki , ka koee kuo toe huu mai e Kau tau ngaue ia 'ae Immi -Isileli  'o Fakafoki 'a Sisu   he Air-Jew ki Isileli, lele hake ia e Fakamomoko ia,,, Ka e malo masi'i Iki koe Ohovale kuo 'Fanafana mai 'ae Le'o , 'ouaa , oua e mo'utafu'ua, he kuou hoko mai koe fetongi [ Laumalie Ma'oni'oni eee ]
 
'ofa atu kihe famili , Iki...
 
sami.
 

Sione 'Atupuha Koloti

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'ai pe loto ke lelei! 'ofa atu mei he kauleka!!

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mo'oni e. ka ma'u e tolu ko ee kae 'ikai kau ai e tohitapu pea ko e koto kula noa. ko e me'a pe ia 'e taha 'oku 'ikai ma'u he'e fkmatala 'a puloka ko e tohitapu. pea tahaa, 'oku 'ikai ke lave 'a sne uesilee ia ki ha ngaue'aki e fananga... hahahheheh. ko ee kuo fklea ia 'e lou mo e kau tama ko ee ko e a'usia e fananga. pea ko e tonu pe ia, he ko e fananga ko e a'usia kuo 'ai ko e talanoa malie... hahaha.
 
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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

malie lahi Lousiale e lave kuo ke fai, pea ko e mo'oni 'oku mahu'inga ke fktonga'i 'a e hanga 'e he puleako sia 'atoutai 'o falute kotoa e ngaahi "mata lalava 'e 4 'a sione uesile", kae nofo atu pe 'a e vakai 'a e kau fkanga ia he ki'i taputa ko e "tohitapu pe taha". pea mahino mai heni KUO TEKANOA ATU e 3 ia he, 'o paepae taku atu 'e he 'au he moana vavale.
 
hangee ko e lave 'a jhavea, 'oku ala ma'u pe mei he ngaahi poini attack 'a e kau anga'i 'o e pule ako sia 'a toutai 'a e fkofiofi ki he me'a ne 'uhinga ki ai e fatu mo makatu'unga 'o e fokotu'utu'u 'o e "sisu tonga".
 
ko e taha foki he me'a ke tokanga'i, ko e key question. 'oku mahu'inga ke tonu e fa'ahnga fehu'i ko eni he taimi 'oku siofi ai mo fokotu'u ai pe fatu ha'ate fo'i fk-kaukau fklotukalafi.
'Oku 'i ai e fehu'i ne ngaue'aki 'e Sisu ki he'ene kau ako he taimi ne kei 'i mamani ai 'i hono anga kakano, ko e "Ko hai au 'i he lau 'a e kakai?... Ko hai au 'i he lau 'a moutolu pe ho'omou lau? Ne 'iai e ngaahi tali, kae tali 'a Pita ko e Misaia koe..?
 
Ko e fehu'i 'oku ngaue'aki 'e he "sisu-tonga", 'oku pehe mai, "who is jesus for us today?" ka 'oku 'IKAI ko e "Who was Jesus for the people of Palestine or his disciples in the past 2000 years ago?" Kapau ko e nofo ki he Sisu Hisitolia (The Quests of Jesus) 'e meimei ofiofi nai e sio kuo fai 'e he kau fkanga. Ka ko e sio ia 'o e sisu tonga 'oku makatu'unga ia he sisu 'o e 'aho ni (sisu laumalie) neongo 'e pau 'ene lave ki he 'aneafi.
 
ko e lavelave atu pe he 'oku fu'u momoko.
 
'ofa atu mo e lotu
lotopoha.


 
2009/6/12 Lousiale Uasike <ikunam...@yahoo.com>



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malie tama, he neongo 'oku te'eki ke establish e lau koeni 'i faleni kuo kemipeini'i ia ke pehe ko e me'a ia... hehehehahaha!!!
 
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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 4:57 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

ko e mo'oni foki lone 'a e neongo pe ko e fo'i kafa pe 'oku te puke - ka 'oku lau hono 'aonga hono lalava fakataha mo e ngaahi tu'oni kafa kehe e. pea neongo foki 'a e ngaahi taimi ni'ihi 'o ha appeal taautaha 'a sione uesile ki he folofola, tukufakaholo, faka'uhinga pe a'usia 'i ha'ane fakamaama fakatokateline pe tokoni ki he mo'ui fakalotu 'a e kakai - ka na'e 'ikai pehe ia 'oku teka taha ai 'a e fo'i kafa ia ko ia. 'oku pau pe ke 'ai ha fo'i filoi hake ha taha pe ua 'o e ngaahi fo'i kafa e.
 
kae hange ko e fa'a toutou fakafehu'i 'a fakapulia he tasilisili'i 'o e ngaahi kosipeli 'o e sapate - ko hai 'a Sisu? pea hange ko ho'o lave, ko sisu kia mohenoa 'ene ngaahi fakamatala 'o e sisu tonga pea ko sisu kia ma'afu 'ene ngaahi taukave 'o e sisu siu. 'o aofangatuku ai pe ki he tokotaha kumi mo fie'ilo ki he 'uhinga 'apee koaa lone.
 
ko e teuteu lotu pe ki he sapate.

--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Saikolone Taufa <taufach...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

From: Saikolone Taufa <taufach...@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 7:27 PM

Lousiale, malie lahi 'ae fakamanatuu pea mohono feinga'i ke fakanofonofo e ngaahi me'a ngaue 'oku fai 'aki 'ae kumi moe vivili 'oku tau fai ki he 'Otua. Pea koe tekaki tomui ko'eni 'oe me'a kuo taku koe me'a fakauesilee, hangehange kiateau koe ola ia 'ahono 'analaiso 'ehe kau kumi 'uhingaa, hili 'oe taimi 'o Uesilee. Ka 'oka pau tetau 'analaiso fakalelei pe 'ae ngaahi ngaue kuo fai 'ehe kau kumii, 'o kau ai 'a Ma'afu mo Mohenoa, pea 'e mahino 'aupito pe koe faa'i me'a ngaue ko'eni (mahalo moe ngaahi me'a kehee pe) 'oku nau ngaue kota 'aki pe, neongo 'oku nau ngali kehekehe he matapa hu'anga ki he loto fale 'oe veiveiuaa.
 
Kuo fakamo'oni'i 'ehe ni'ihi 'kihe tu'ulotoloto 'ae hemeniutika 'i hono ngaue 'aki 'oe ngaahi me'a ngaue koiaa, koia leva, neongo pe koe fe 'ae matapa 'oku hu ai tokotaha kumii, pea neongo pe koe me'angaue 'e fiha 'e ngaue 'aki,  he'ikai pe ke ala fakamavae'i kinautolu he koe 'uhi koe tu'u lotoloto ai 'ae hemeniutikaa.
 
Koe 'uhinga 'o 'eku fehu'i kia Ma'afu, he 'oku matamata kiateau koe mefatolosia koee 'oku ne fakaanga'i koia pe ia 'ae mefatolosia koee 'oku ne ngaue 'akii (ka koe anga ia 'eku fakamahamahalo atu kiai).
 
'Oku ou nofo pe 'o manumanumelie'ia atu he langa ngaue 'oku fai 'e Nasili Vaka'uta pea mo'ene Kulupu Hemeniutikaa, pea 'oku tui tenau lava 'o tokoni mai ke fakamaama 'a e felalave'i ko'eni kuo fai kiai 'eku lave ki 'olungaa. Ka 'oku ou kei manatu pe ki he 'ene pehee he Konifelenisi 'ae Metoo he 2008 "Koe ola 'oe fakatonulea kotoa pe 'oku nofo pe he tokotaha kumii"  Koia neongo 'oku pehee 'e Ma'afu ia ko'ene Sisuu koe Sisuu Siu ia, hangehange kia teau, koe Sisu pe ia 'a Ma'afu pea koe Sisuu 'a Mohenoa koe Sisuu pe ia 'a Mohenoa.
 
Mahalo koe me'amahu'inga pe ke ai ha Sisuu 'ae tokotaha tuii, koia Sami mo Pope mo 'ofa mai aa 'o tali aa 'a Sisuu, tatau pe pe ko e Sisu fe, koloa pe ke Sisuu. Moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone


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'oua e kaipoosi a sisu (hhf) he ko sisu ko e 'otua ia 'o mamani kae 'ikai ko e sisu pe 'o tonga... hihihihi!!!
 
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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 6:52 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga




From: Iki Tausinga <iki.ta...@tcc.to>
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Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2009 6:05:52 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

on behalf of Saikolone Taufa
Mahalo koe me'amahu'inga pe ke ai ha Sisuu 'ae tokotaha tuii, koia Sami mo Pope mo 'ofa mai aa 'o tali aa 'a Sisuu, tatau pe pe ko e Sisu fe, koloa pe ke Sisuu.
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Masi'i Lone, 'oku te'eki koaa ke tali 'e hoku tokoua ko ena ko Sami 'a Sisu?? ha ha haaa!
moe kata lahi faufaua atu pe meihe tafa'aki, it..
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Fafaa-po'uli,  ne 'osi fai hono tali, pea fai mohono ki'i Fakaafe pea teuteu mohono mohe'anga, pea fakamaau 'o tafi hono Loki , ka koee kuo toe huu mai e Kau tau ngaue ia 'ae Immi -Isileli  'o Fakafoki 'a Sisu   he Air-Jew ki Isileli, lele hake ia e Fakamomoko ia,,, Ka e malo masi'i Iki koe Ohovale kuo 'Fanafana mai 'ae Le'o , 'ouaa , oua e mo'utafu'ua, he kuou hoko mai koe fetongi [ Laumalie Ma'oni'oni eee ]
 
'ofa atu kihe famili , Iki...
 
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Sami 'oku 'iai ho'o mo'oni, he na'e 'iai 'ae taimi na'e fu'u mahu'inga 'aupito 'ae vafeinofi 'ae feohi mo Sisuu, pea a'u mai ki he taimi 'oku mahu'inga ange 'ae fetohotohoi 'ete vivilii pea mohono fakasino'i 'oe me'a 'oku te fanongo, sio, fakamahamahalo'i ki he tataki 'ae Laumaliee. Matamata koe faka'ilonga ia 'oe tupu mo e mo'ui he anga 'o 'etau fakamahamahalo 'oku faiii.
 
Hangehange kuo ki'i olioli taua ia ee, mahalo na'a sai aa keta kole ange aa kia Pope mo JH kena 'ofa mai aa 'o fai mo kamata e fononga 'aki hano tali aa ha fa'ahinga Sisuu pee. Sai 'a Pope ia mo J he 'oku tolu pe lahi ange 'ae fa'ahinga Sisuu ia tena fili kiai, ka ko Pope ee koe lahi atu 'e fa'ahinga Sisuu ia 'e fili aii - Tonga, Niuee, Siu moe ha fuaa, ka ko JH eee 'ouaaaa. moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone
 
 
 

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Faifekau Papanui fu'u lahilahi tama ho'o tokanga ki he [sisu tonga] tokanga mai koe Faifekau ki he Pakipaki ke tau usuusu ai.moe 'ofa Seniale. 


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Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
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Jione Havea

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Lone, poaki atu au ... 'o fakasiosio ha Sisu Lelue ke fakalalata, jh

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faingata'a 'aupito seni e me'a ia 'oku ke fokotu'u, he ko e me'a 'oku loloto
ange ki he kau poupou ki he sisu tonga ko e fananga moe a'usia (non
empirical experience). pea taha, 'oku fika 20 hake 'a e tohitapu ia 'i he
lisi ko ee 'o e ngaahi naunau ngaue fklaumalie. ta ko e toki lau pe ia 'oku
malie... hahahahaha!!!

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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 3:46 PM
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Touhuni Hala Puopua

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Mahalo 'oku meimei tatau e Sisu Tonga ko eni mo e Sisu Fefine ee. 
 
Uani.
 

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:23:34 +1000

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

Sam Pakofe

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From: Kit <kfi...@gmail.com>
To: Tasilisili-he-ngaluope <tasil...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2009 3:59:07 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

  ko e haaa koaaa e tala 'o Pouono......'ikai ne fai e tuku-fonua pea momoi hake
'a Tonga 'o tuku ki 'olunga??....hono 'ikai ifo 'ete polepole he
moto!! " Ko e 'Otua (Sisu) mo Tonga ko hota Tofi'a"      
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Kit, Tau Fakama'opo'opo 'aki mu'a ho'o   Lau koia,, he 'oku ma'a atu, pea toki fai holo aipe hono fakahamolemole'ii ka kuo "fai e talite 'i Pouono,
 
poupou atu........
 
sami.
 

Sam Pakofe

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From: sfaupula <sk...@bigpond.com>
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Sent: Monday, 15 June, 2009 10:13:24 AM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

'oua e kaipoosi a sisu (hhf) he ko sisu ko e 'otua ia 'o mamani kae 'ikai ko e sisu pe 'o tonga... hihihihi!!!
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'Ahau kaipoo, pe kapau ko 'Sisu" koha fo'i maioke,[ oua teke kata ],,,,,,ikai, ko Sisu koe "OTUA" , pea 'oku fonu 'a mamani 'ihe "OFA" [ OTUA], kotautolu pe 'oku 'ikai tetau fie to'o mai ha'a tau me'i Otua,[Laumalie 'oe Kelesi ]..
 
'aeee ne ala kiai 'ae fefine -'autoto,,,koe IVI koia KO SISU ia 'oku tau feinga ke 'omai ki Tonga , 'ae 'IVI" ka 'oku 'ikai kohono "Nasaleti"...
 
pe 'oku ofi atu 'ena masi'i Ahau......
 
sami.
 
 
"  
 

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On Mon, 15/6/09, Touhuni Hala Puopua <tou...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mahalo 'oku meimei tatau e Sisu Tonga ko eni mo e
> Sisu Fefine ee. 

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Malo Uani

Pea 'e sai pee nai ki he kau keii ke nau 'ai mo ha sjsu kei ke toe leleiange 'enau molomolomuiva'e ki he 'Eikii????


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Kataki Lotopoha I'm doing my best to understand...and to make sense ki he tali 'a Dr Pulokaa...'oku 'uhinga nai 'a e "Sisu" 'i he fehu'ii (Who is Jesus for us today?) ki he 1)Sisu 'Otua pee 2) Sisu ko e tangata Siu pee 3)ko e fakatou'osi(Sisu ko e tangata moe 'Otua??? If ever I see Dr Puloka, I would ask him these questions.

Ko hono 'uhingaa kapau ko 'eku feinga ke Fakatonga'i 'a Sisu ko e tangata Siu koe'uhii ke toe mahinoange 'a Sisu kiate kitautolu, I would argue that's not the best way to imitate Christ & it would be a difficult attempt..a waste of time....hee te tau 'ai e Sisuu na'e 'ikai ke Sisu ka ko e Sisu pee 'a'aku..pea 'e fele hono ngaahi palopalema...'e toe fihi ange ai e Sisuu....'oku tau feinga ni ke 'oua na'a tau fa'u ha Sisu i hotau imisii...he ko e 'ofa, angamokomoko, angama'aa etc 'oku 'ikai ko ha me'a fakasiu ia...

Pea kapau ko e feingaa ke fakasino fakaTonga 'a Sisu ko e 'Otua ko hono fofongaa ko e afi ko e va'ee ko e ngoto'umu...te tau hia ki he 'aitoli...mo e tukuhifo 'a e 'Otuaa kihotau 'imisi...

pea kapau ko e feingaa ke fakatonga'i 'a Sisu ko e "'Otua mo e Tangata," taa kuo tau fai e me'a he'ikai lava 'e ha'a tangata....It does not make sense ki he motu'a ni pea 'oku ou kole atu ki he kau tasilisili ke mou tokoni mai ki he fifili ni.

Pea tali mai pee 'oku kau mo e sipii, lamii etc...he liliu ki he context tongaa...pee ko Sisu pee

Kau tasilisili, ko e 'uhinga pee fakafehu'ii he 'oku ou veiveiua pee 'oku tokoni e sisu Tonga ki he lelei fakalaumalie e Siasii...ka meaningful/reasonable kiate au e fakamatala mai he tasilisili he'ikai faingata'a keu tueee mo mavava kia Sisu kili melomeloo etc..

Lotopohaa kataki fakamolemole tokoua...'oku ou fie'ilo pee ko e Sisu 'oku tau feinga ke fakatonga'i ko e Sisu 'Otua mo e Tangata pee ko e Sisu ko e Tangata Siu, pee ko e Sisu ko e 'Otua? He oku hangee kiate au ko e feinga'i ke fakaTonga'i 'a Sisu Siu kae ongo mai e ngaahi talii ia ko e Sisu 'Otua koe Laumalie...

seni taniela

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On Mon, 15/6/09, Lotopoha Jeruel <seluel...@gmail.com> wrote:
seni, mahalo 'oku fe'unga pe e tolu ko ena na'a
> fu'uloloa. ko e SISU ko ena KUO  FKLAU 'i
> 'olunga he ngaahi malanga mo e talaloto ko ena, ko e
> KAKAI PE IA hangee ko kitautolu. Ka kuo 'IKAI pu'aki
> mai 'e he MALANGA pe TALALOTO ia honau hingoa, KAE
> FKHINGOA  si'enau 'ofa mo e tokoni kia SISU.
> 'Oku 'IKAI hala ia, he ko e fkfou mai pe ia 'e
> Sisu 'i he fa'ahinga ko ia 'ene TALILOTU mo
> 'ene 'oFA ki ha kakai 'oku fiema'u tokoni.
> Tatau mo ia e fu'u kau INUKAVA TONGA ko ena ne nau
> totongi e faito'o, na'e 'IKAI ko SISU kinautolu,
> ka ko e fa'ahinga me'a tatau pe mo ia kuou lave ki
> ai.
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Ko e ngaahi talaloto ko 'ena 'oku fai 'ehe palangi mo e kotoa e ngaahi matakalii...hangee oku ikai ko e issue ia...pea hangee ko ho'o lauu 'oku ikai ko Sisu Siu na'e toetu'u...ko e fehu'ii, na'e fotunga Siu pe na'e fotunga Tonga etc pee na'e fotunga laumalie...pee na'e 'iai nai ha'a ne physical appearance???

Sai kapau ko e feinga ke fakafotunga fakatonga e Sisu 'oku 'ikai ko ha Siu ka e ko e fakafotunga e Sisu whatever??? are we sinning by putting Jesus in our physical Tongan box???

>






anga'i 'o e
> pule ako sia 'a toutai 'a e fkofiofi ki heme'a
> ne 'uhinga ki ai e fatu mo makatu'unga 'o e
> fokotu'utu'u 'o e "sisu tonga".
>
>
>  ko e taha foki he me'a ke
> tokanga'i, ko e key question. 'oku mahu'inga ke
> tonu e fa'ahnga fehu'i ko eni he taimi 'oku
> siofi ai mo fokotu'u
> > ai pe fatu ha'ate fo'i fk-kaukau
> fklotukalafi.
>
> ============================
> Kataki atu na'a taku kuo fai ha fakamaau, fiepoto,
> anga'i e sisu tonga 'oku fokotu'u mai 'e he
> toketaa....kole keu hufanga he kau Peleaa...malanga mai
> 'a Paula...nau fanongo telinga pea nau foki ki 'api
> 'o hakule 'enau tohitapu...sio pee 'oku hoa koaa
> '
>
> 1)Ko ho'o lave 'i 'olunga ko e "Ka ko e
> sio ia 'o e sisu tonga 'oku makatu'unga ia he
> sisu'o e 'aho ni (sisu laumalie) neongo 'e pau
> 'ene lave ki he 'aneafi."
>
>

seni taniela

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--- On Mon, 15/6/09, Lotopoha Jeruel <seluel...@gmail.com> wrote:


Ko e taha foki, ko e SINO 'O SISU ko ena 'i
> TU'AFA'ITOKA, ko e SINO TOETU'U ia, ka 'oku
> 'IKAI ko ha SIU IA. Ko sino toetu'u, 'oku
> 'IKAI ko ha SINO MATAKALI IA, ko e sino matakali
> 'oku ngata pe ia 'i fa'itoka.'OKU 'IKAI FAI HA LAU MATAKALI
> 'I LOTO 'ITANITI!!
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Lotopoha

"oku ai e fehu'i fekau'aki mo e Sisu toetu'u...kapau 'oku 'ikai ko ha Siu ia...was he still fully man pe na'e liliu ia 'o 'Otua 'ata'ataa he pongipongi toetu'u....na'e lea fakaSiu...ko e fotunga matakali fee na'e kaitunu mo e kau akoo he toetu'uu...what does it look like to be raceless...?? pehee 'eau 'oku 'asi he tohi fakahaa...people from every nations etc te nau 'i hevanii...Lava nai keu pehee na'e kei Siu pee 'a Sisu he'ene toetu'uu he na'e kei lea pee he language tatau mo e kauakoo pea kei kai ika pee pea na'e kei fotunga Siu pee??Support mei fee ...he stopped being a Jew after the resurrection?

Maafu Palu

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> a'a ku kamata lau hifo pe ho'o fakamatala pea 'oku mahino kiate au na'e 'i ai e ngaahi fakamatala 'a Mohenoa fekau'aki mo "Sisu Tonga". 'Oku 'i ai nai ha founga te mau ala fou ki he ngaahi fakamatala ko ia? Ka ala fokotu'u mai mo ia 'e tokoni lahi.
>
> loke
>
>
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jhavea <jha...@gmail.com>
> > To: "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope" <tasil...@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: [tasilisili] Sisu Tonga
> > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > Kuo fakahu ki he ngaahi files 'a e fakamatala 'a Ma'afu Palu fekau'aki
> > mo e "Sisu Tonga" 'oku taukave'i 'e Mohenoa Puloka. Ko e fakamatala ni
> > ne ta'ofi mei he Tohi Fanongonongo 'a e SUTT, pea 'oku fokotu'u atu
> > heni na'a 'aonga ke fai ai ha tasilisili
>
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> > kapau 'oku 'i ai ha ngaahi fehu'i pea fokotu'u mai he kuo kau mai 'a
> > Ma'afu ki he Tasilisili ke ne tali atu ho'omou ngaahi fehu'i
>
> > Tasilisili fakalelei, kae mahino mo molumalu
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> > Malo, mei he kau tauhi tepile
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malie ia loto pea 'oku 'ikai ha ofo he lau koeni. ko e palopalema pe he'e pehe atu ha taha ta'emahino ia, "'a ia, na'e 'ikai 'otua 'a sisu ia kimu'a he toetu'u e". koeha nai ha'o fkma'ala'ala ki ha fehu'i pehe ni ha ki'i motu'a 'e ta'e mahino ki ai ho'o fkmatala masi'i loto. ko e fehu'i pe foki loto he 'oku ke tokanga ma'u pe foki ke fkmatala'i mahino e 'otua ki he kakai.
 
skf
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Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

Ko e taha foki, ko e SINO 'O SISU ko ena 'i TU'AFA'ITOKA, ko e SINO TOETU'U ia, ka 'oku 'IKAI ko ha SIU IA. Ko sino toetu'u, 'oku 'IKAI ko ha SINO MATAKALI IA, ko e sino matakali 'oku ngata pe ia 'i fa'itoka.'OKU 'IKAI FAI HA LAU MATAKALI 'I LOTO 'ITANITI!!
 
''ofa atu mo e lotu
lotopoha

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ko e founga 'oku ha 'ia loma, 'a ee ko ee 'oku fkkau ai kitautolu tonga ki he famili 'o e 'otua, 'oku lave ia ki hono hunuki atu pe fkpipiki atu kitautolu 'e kalaisi ki he fu'u vaine kae 'ikai ko 'etau ala atu 'o to'omai 'a sisu 'o 'ai ke senitaile (tonga).
 
matamata ko e taha e ngaahi palopalema 'o e kau senitaile kalisitiane loma ko 'enau 'ai ko ee 'a sisu ko 'enau me'a pea tupu ai 'enau sio lalo ki he kau siu. ka ne fkmanatu kiate kinautolu 'e paula ko e vaine vao kinautolu na'e hunuki atu ki he fu'u vaine ke fetongi'aki e ngaahi va'a siu ko ee he vaine ne tu'usi meihe vaine ko e ta'etu'i kia sisu.
 
pea vakai ange kuo kamata pe ke 'asi mai e ngaahi anti-jewish attitude heni ko e pehe na'e sai 'aupito hono taufale'i e kau siu 'e hitler!!! sio, ko e me'a eni ko ee te mou iku ki ai ko ho'o mou fehi'a ki he siu. hahhehhihih!!! mou 'ofa mai 'o kole kia sisu tonga ke ne 'oatu ha 'ofa kiate kimoutolu e!!!
 
ko e me'a 'oku ongo fkloloma taha meihe fananga 'o e sisu tonga ko e pehe ko ee - what the sisu tonga imply - 'e toki lelei ange 'a e mo'ui (ie. fklaumalie, fksino, etc) 'a e tonga 'oka tonga 'a sisu. ko e fo'i usu eni, he 'oku fkfafala e fklaumalie mo e lelei 'etau mo'ui - 'i he anga 'etau tu'u mo e 'otua - 'i hono tali 'e he tonga, siu, ha'amoa, fisi, kiwi, 'amelikano, etc 'a sisu ko ia na'e pekia ko hota fetongi 'i he kolosi. kapau 'oku 'ikai ketau falala ne fe'unga mo lava hotau fklelei mo e 'otua 'i he ngaue na'e fai 'e sisu siu ('otua-tangata kakato) ko ia na'e pekia pea toetu'u pea ko ia tene fka'u mo fkkakato 'etau fononga ke 'inasi 'i he langilangi 'o e 'otua, pea ta ko e fokotu'u 'aitoli pe mo e fktupu houhau 'oku mou fai 'i hono fokotu'u e sisu tonga. pea taha, koeha ha'a mou tali 'e fai ki ha taha 'e kei faingata'ia ai pe 'ene mo'ui neongo 'ene falala ki he sisu tonga? hahihahhe!
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Pakofe
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

'Ahau kaipoo, pe kapau ko 'Sisu" koha fo'i maioke,[ oua teke kata ],,,,,,ikai, ko Sisu koe "OTUA" , pea 'oku fonu 'a mamani 'ihe "OFA" [ OTUA], kotautolu pe 'oku 'ikai tetau fie to'o mai ha'a tau me'i Otua,[Laumalie 'oe Kelesi ]..
 
'aeee ne ala kiai 'ae fefine -'autoto,,,koe IVI koia KO SISU ia 'oku tau feinga ke 'omai ki Tonga , 'ae 'IVI" ka 'oku 'ikai kohono "Nasaleti"...
 
pe 'oku ofi atu 'ena masi'i Ahau......
 
sami.


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On Behalf Of Sam Pakofe

Fafaa-po'uli,  ne 'osi fai hono tali, pea fai mohono ki'i Fakaafe pea teuteu mohono mohe'anga, pea fakamaau 'o tafi hono Loki , ka koee kuo toe huu mai e Kau tau ngaue ia 'ae Immi -Isileli  'o Fakafoki 'a Sisu   he Air-Jew ki Isileli, lele hake ia e Fakamomoko ia,,, Ka e malo masi'i Iki koe Ohovale kuo 'Fanafana mai 'ae Le'o , 'ouaa , oua e mo'utafu'ua, he kuou hoko mai koe fetongi [ Laumalie Ma'oni'oni eee ]

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Sami kapau koe maama ia ‘oe fakakaukau ‘oe Sisu Tonga, ko Sisu fetongi ‘ihe Laumalie Ma’oni’oni, ta ‘oku tonu pe ia he ‘oku ‘i heni pe ‘a Sisu. Ka koe me’apango pe koe ‘ikai lava ketau ma’u ha fakamatala ‘a Puloka fekau’aki mo ‘ene fakakaukau ‘oe Sisu Tonga. tukukehe sami kapau ‘oku ma’u ‘ae fkmatala ‘a Puloka ha feitu’u ‘oku ‘ikai teu ‘ilo kiai.

 

Koe oli ia Sami kapau tetau ‘eke kia Sisu. Ko ho’o ha’u mei fe? (tapu mo IA). Kou tui ‘e hala loua ‘etau ongo tama ee..he’e pehee mai foki ‘a Sisu ia . Ko ‘eku ha’u ‘aku ia mei langi (mei hevani), mei he pule’anga ‘o ‘eku TAMAI..

‘Aia totonu ‘aupito ki Tonga mo ‘Isileli kena fakafeta’i ki he lahi taha ‘ihe ‘ENE tuku ‘a LANGI mo hono MASANI kae ha’u ki mamani ee..

Pea kiate au ‘oku ‘ikai kovi ‘ae ongo fakamatala ‘a Sisu Tonga mo Sisu Siu, he koe fakamatala ki he TAMA mahu’inga lahi. He kapau koha taha ‘oku ‘ikai ‘iloa, mahalo ‘e ‘ikai fai ha tokanga ia kiai. He ‘oku hange pe koe fakafekiki ko eni ‘a Ha’apai mo Fualu ‘ia Tupou 1 (tapu moia), koe fakafekiki he tangata mahu’inga ki Tonga, ka koe ‘ilo fakamuimui taha sami ta koee koe tama ia mei homau feitu’u, ‘ofa atu, itausinga.

 

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Malo mu'a 'a hono kei talanga'i ho tau fakamo'ui. 'Oku fai e manatu ki he 'emau kei iiki hake. Ko e 1940+ ia, na'a mau fa'a lelei atu 'o fanongo he misa 'a e siasi katolika. Ko e malie atu hono ngaahi laulau mo e fetaliaki, 'ai ai mo hono ngaahi hiva.
Na'a mau toki 'ilo pe ki mui, ko e lea fakakalisi na'e fai 'aki 'a 'enau toto'onga lotu mamafa ko ia. Ko e toki liliu mai 'eni ia 'o fai fakatongaaaaa. Ka mahalo ko e toki ha'u pe ia 'a hono tali, 'a e fakakaukau ko e 'Otua 'oku tau lotu ki ai, 'oku ne 'afio'o lelei 'o 'ikai toe 'iai ha me'a 'e pulia pe 'ufikaua 'a e tautapa lotu hono kakai. Pea ko e mahino ki ai 'a e lea fakatonga, 'oku hulu pe tatau tofu pe ia mo ha mahino ki ha tokotaha Tonga.
'Oku kei fai ni mai pe ia talu mei tuai, 'a e 'ikai ke lava 'e ha taha mosilemi 'o lotu ki honau 'otua 'i ha toe lea kehe. Kae ngata pe he lea faka'alepea. Pea ka lea fakatonga ia pe fakapapalangi, 'oku 'ikai ke tau lelei ia ki honau 'otau. 'Aia, 'oku 'ikai ke mahino ia pe ko e ha 'a e me'a 'oku kotekote atu ai 'a e ki'i mosilemi ko ia.
'ofa atu mo e hufia.
sikei
 

Sam Pakofe

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From: Saulisi Mafile'o <saul...@mlci.gov.to>
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Sent: Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 12:36:25 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

Malo mu'a 'a hono kei talanga'i ho tau fakamo'ui. 'Oku fai e manatu ki he 'emau kei iiki hake. Ko e 1940+ ia, na'a mau fa'a lelei atu 'o fanongo he misa 'a e siasi katolika. 
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Sikei, fusi moe ta'u ( 1940) ke FakaTonga , koe haa kuo ke mavahe atu ai Koe...hahahahaaaa..
ouaaaaaaaaaaa, fanongo misa ia pea fai kihe 1940 eeeee..
 
sami.

Sam Pakofe

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Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

  

Koe oli ia Sami kapau tetau ‘eke kia Sisu. Ko ho’o ha’u mei fe? (tapu mo IA). Kou tui ‘e hala loua ‘etau ongo tama ee..he’e pehee mai foki ‘a Sisu ia . Ko ‘eku ha’u ‘aku ia mei langi (mei hevani), mei he pule’anga ‘o ‘eku TAMAI.. 

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Iki, ma'a lahi ia,,Koe me'a ia 'oku mahu'inga,Ketau 'ilo'ii Koe "Sisu" na'e fa'ele'ii koe " Sisu " tu'itu'ia kihe LAUMALIE , pea Pekia pea toetu'u , pea Foki ia ki Hevani...na'e 'ikai tanu ia 'ihe kelekele 'oe Kau Siu [ Isileli] ,pea hifo mai leva hono Fetongi koe Laumalie Ma'oni'oni, koe hifo. mai moia mei Hevani..

 

Iki 'oku ikai teu tui au ke toe kUmi mai e Fakamatala 'a Mohenoa, koe a'usia 'ae Tangata Koia heikai teu makupusi ia 'e au, pea koe a'usia 'a Ma'afu heikai teu a'usi 'e au,,, Koe me'a pe kuou ilo,,  Oku 'ifee 'ae Otua , 'oku ihe Potu Kotoa pe... 'oku 'iaia nai ha'aku totonu keu 'omai 'a Sisu ki Tonga... Io'oku 'iai 'eku totonu.............. He koe imisi'i 'Otua kitautolu... Tukukehe kapau koe hako'ii , pe imis'i Ngeli kitautolu[ Tonga]  ia, Kae Imis'i 'Otua 'ae Kau Sisu ia..

 

Fei tu'u kotao pe 'imamani 'oku taau kenau "Omai 'a Sisu [laumalie Ma'oni'oni] 'o fakanofo ihonau fonua mohonau famili eee.. ke hoko koho nau 'Otua..

 

kataki Iki vakaina'ake ninimo, he koau 'eni kuou fakavilo..

sami.

Rev. Sisitoutai Taufa

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Sami malo 'aupito 'a e fakatalanoa pea malie 'a e tali kia Sikei,pea
kole ange ke ki'i tukutuku mai ke ofiofi ke a'u ki ai 'etau manatu,ko e
1940 kei fu'u valevale 'aupito au,te'eki mahino ha me'a fakalotu 'e
taha kei ta'u 5 pe . 'ofa atu Sisi T.

Sam Pakofe wrote:
>
>
> *From:* Saulisi Mafile'o <saul...@mlci.gov.to>
> *To:* tasil...@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 12:36:25 PM
> *Subject:* [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
>
> Malo mu'a 'a hono kei talanga'i ho tau fakamo'ui. 'Oku fai e manatu ki
> he 'emau kei iiki hake. Ko e 1940+ ia, na'a mau fa'a lelei atu 'o
> fanongo he misa 'a e siasi katolika.
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>
> Sikei, fusi moe ta'u ( 1940) ke FakaTonga , koe haa kuo ke mavahe atu
> ai Koe...hahahahaaaa..
> ouaaaaaaaaaaa, fanongo misa ia pea fai kihe 1940 eeeee..
>
> sami.
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Malie Lotopoha!
 
'Oku 'iai e pasipasi  le'olahi mei he kau mamata lautohi he fakatalanoa 'oku ke fai. Malie talanoa pea malie moe ngaahi taalafili 'a Senituli ka teu foki ki hoku tangutu 'anga na'a mole.
'Ofa atu
Tokelau moe Tonga
 

Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 04:37:05 -0700

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
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malo seni e fktalanoa pea 'oku lave'i pe ho'o feinga 'oku fai. kataki pe na'a kuo fktupu lili mo fktupuvela atu 'ete lave kuo fai, ka 'oku hange pe ko e me'a neu tokanga atu ki ai, "KO E ME'A PE IA 'OKU HIKI HE TOHITAPU NEU NGAUE ATU'AKI" 'o 'IKAI ko ha'aku ma'u mei he nusipepa fk'aho hange ko ha makasini model pe ko e "taimi 'o tonga' etc.
 
seni, ko e mo'oni ho'olave ne ma'u me'atokoni e 'EIKI TOETU'U he ne FEITUNU, pea ne Talanoa ki he'ene Kau AKO ETC. KAKO E KOTOA PE E 'U ME'A KO IA NE FAI 'AKI E "SINO TOETU'U" 'o 'IKAI ko e SINO SIU!! Ko Tu'a Fa'itoka, 'oku 'IKAI toe Fai ai ha Lau Siu mo e Senitaile, ka ko e LAU MO'UI PE MO E FKFETA'I , he ko e fkmatakali (Tonga mo e Siu) hangee kiate au 'oku 'IKAI ha toe lau pehee 'a e tohitapu ia ki ai.
 
Me'a pe 'oku mahino kia au, ko e ngaahi 'u me'a ko ia kuo ke lau (feitunu, ma'ume'atokoni, lea, haa etc.) ko e taumu'a kotoa ia ke FKMO'ONI'I 'A E TOETU'U, FKLANGILANGI, KE FKAFE'I E KAUAKO KE NAU TUI, FKHA E IKUNA,  PEA PEHE KI HE KEHE E SINO ko ia mei he FA'AHIKEHE etc. Vakai ki he lea 'a Sisu kia Mele, 'OUA TE KE ALA KIATE AU HE 'OKU TE'EKI KEU 'ALU HAKE KI HE TAMAI..." 'E ala tokoni eni ke fkmahino ki he KEHE 'o e SINO TOETU'U mei he SINO KO IA NE LAU AI KO E SIU he tukufkholo fk-holo 'o e laine Tu'i ko e Hako 'o Tevita.
 
ko ho palopalema, 'ou 'OKU 'IKAI ko ha lau KUOU 'oatu, ka KO E ANGA HO'O 'UHINGA'I e me'a 'oku HIKI HE TOHITAPU. ko ia, ko e PULEAKO SIA 'ATOUTAI pe te ne 'oatu kiate koe e TALI KI HO'O FIFILI NA he ko 'ene TAUKAVE, ka 'oku 'IKAI ko au.
 
pea 'oku SAI ho'o fifili na he te tau ako kotoa pe ai foki, kapau 'e lava hano tali mai mei he puleako sia 'a toutai.
 
ko e me'a pe, he 'OKU 'IKAI keu tui au ko e me'a ko eni 'oku fkhoko 'e he puleako sia 'a toutai ko 'ene FKTONGA'I 'a e SISU 'ALO 'O E 'OTUA. Ka 'oku hange pe ia ko e lau 'a Paula, "...KUO KALAISI 'ATAA..." (Paula ko e Siu mo e Senitalie). 'E kalaisi 'ataa pe nai hono konga SIU 'o 'IKAI KAU ai e hono konga senitaile?
 
mahu'inga foki hano toe lau mo ha ngaahi source felave'i mo e ngaahi tefito'i akonaki mo e founga fkUesiliana 'a ee ne tukufkholo mai meia Sione Uesilee, he 'e tokoni ia ki he felaafoaki ka 'oku 'IKAI ko e nofo he anga 'etau fkkaukau ki he ngaue 'a e puleako sia 'a toutai, he ko e Faifekau Uesiliana ia, 'oku ne TALI MO NGAUE'AKI e ngaahi me'a 'a e Uesiliana (Sione Uesilee). Neu lave atu kimu'a, 'e mahu'inga 'etau takiatah tufi mei he ongo taukave ni fktou'osi (Palu &Puloka) he me'a 'e ala tokoni kiate kita ke fklahi 'ete ki'i 'Oa he taumaia 'e fai ha fetukulolo'aki ia 'i ha'atu fkkikihi.
 
'ofa atu mo e lotu
lotopoha.

2009/6/15 seni taniela <seni...@yahoo.com.au>
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seni taniela

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On Tue, 16/6/09, Lotopoha Jeruel <seluel...@gmail.com> wrote:

seni, ko e mo'oni ho'olave ne ma'ume'atokoni e 'EIKI TOETU'U he ne FEITUNU, pea ne Talanoa ki he'ene Kau AKO ETC. KAKO E KOTOA PE E 'U


ME'A KO IA NE FAI 'AKI E "SINO TOETU'U" 'o 'IKAI ko e SINO SIU!! Ko
Tu'a Fa'itoka, 'oku 'IKAI toe Fai ai ha Lau Siu mo e Senitaile, ka ko e LAU MO'UI PE MO E FKFETA'I , he ko e fkmatakali (Tonga mo e Siu) hangee
kiate au 'oku 'IKAI ha toe lau pehee 'a e tohitapu ia ki ai.

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Malie lahi Lotopoha ka 'oku kei fihi pee kiate au.

'E tonu nai keu pehee, na'e kei sino siu pee 'a Sisu fakataha pea mo e sino toetu'u...??? Ko 'eku fakamo'oni ki he'eku taukavee...1)na'e kei lea pee he lea tatau na'a ne ngaue'aki kimu'a he pekiaa 2)na'a ne tui pee vala fakasiu 3)ko e lanu hono kilii na'e lanu'i siu....

Ke 'oua te ne toe sino siu...he'ikai toe lea fakaSiu, 'e liliu hono kilii 'o lanu "sino toetu'u" etc...mahalo te ne tui ha vala (sitaila fakasino toetu'u)...Ke faka'ikai'i hono siu hili e toetu'uu teu uauu he palopalema ko e faka'ikai'i his humanity....pea teu lava 'o fakama'opo'opo taa na'e angahala'ia e sinosiu/sinotangata 'o Sisu kimu'a he pekiaa...'oku 'ikai spell out 'ehe folofolaa na'e li'aki 'e Sisu hono sino Siuu ke ne tui hono sinotoetu'u....

Na'e koleange 'ehe kau tama kia Sisu, "Show us the Father"...taliange 'e Sisu..."ko ho'omou sio pee ka au ko ho'omou sio ia ki he tamai"(Nomuka version!!) People saw the same Jewish body before and after the resurrection.

Kapau ne 'ikai toe Siu 'a Sisu hili e toetu'u, ne 'i fee leva e sino Siuu ia???kei 'i loto fa'itoka??kaiha'a 'ehe kau Siu??perhaps consumed by the sino toetu'u??

Ko ho'o pehee Kalaisi 'ataa...'aia 'i hevani te tau fotunga/ mataSisu kotoa pee??Na'e 'uhinga nai ke tau 'ai ha fotunga Sisu katoaa pee ko e 'ai e ngaahi fua e laumaliee etc???

Hangee 'oku tau spiritualize everything pea te ta iku e faka'ikai'i e "fully man, fully God."?? Kapau na'e 'ikai ke toe siu 'a Sisu hili 'a e toetu'uu, then I can conclude that he was no longer "fully man" after the resurrection. Perhaps, he was "fully God, and half man"

Kataki 'oku 'ikai fai ha a'u ki he mohenga e Sisu Tonga 'a Dr Puloka ka kuo mata'aa'aa mai hono fakasino (application) e fakakaukau ko e 'ai e Sisu Fotunga Tonga...mei he evidence ko 'enaa, kuo te 'osi palopalema'ia pee ai...pea lava pee ke tau 'eke mei ai pee 'e kau moe "Lami/Sipi" 'a e "Otuaa he liliu kee oo fakataha mo Sisu Tonga??

Kataki tokoua 'ikai fai ha "vela" ko e konifusio pee motu'a ni he fakalaka e tongaa...'oku ou siasi metotisi heni 'oku lotu ai e kau palangi, kau tonga, kau kenya??'oku ai pee houa lotu fakatonga he sapate kotoa...hangee kiate au ke mahinoange kia kimautolu 'a Sisu...oku tonu ke mau 'ai ha Sisu palangi, Sisu African American, Sisu Kenya, Sisu Tonga, !!1mahalo 'e lahiange palopalemaa hee 'e fokotu'una e sisuu he maamanii

Saulisi Mafile'o

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Sami, mei meta he kata eeeeee, 'Ouaaaaaaaa, ko e 'atunga ia 'a e kalasi ono tu'o lahi, kuo mou peheeee ai pe 'e kimoutolu mo Takamuli 'oku tau to'u. Ne mou fu'u 'atamai'ia pe kimoutolu. Hahahahaaaa..
sikei
 
 
 
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pea kapau leva 'oku 'ikai kei siu pea koeha ai ha totonu 'a mohenoa ke 'ai ke tonga? history tells us that there was only one jesus - a jew - who became fully man and fully divine. matamata ko e sino toet'u'u 'oku kei recognize ai pe mo e fkkaukau 'o e matakali 'o hange ko ia 'oku lea ki ai 'a fkha he fktahataha atu 'a e ngaahi matakali kehekehe kuo fktau'aki e ta'ata'a 'o kalaisi 'i he 'ao 'o e 'otua he 'aho 'o e fkmaau.
 
'oku 'ikai toe kehekehe 'a e peteni e fkmatala koeni poha mo e toenga e ngaahi fkmatala 'a misi kava, saikolone, etc he feinga ke vahe'i e konga 'otua 'o sisu mei hono konga tangata pe ko e sisu toetu'u meihe sisu kimu'a he toetu'u. ko e fkmatala ko ee 'a ma'afu ko e feinga ia ke pukepuke 'a e fa'o kotoa 'o e fully divine mo e fully human 'ia sisu pe ko ia ne hoko ko e siu.
 
'oku 'ikai ko e sino toetu'u na'e 'alu ki he kolosi ka ko e sino 'o e sisu tangata kakato pea 'otua kakato. vakai ange 'a e lava ke fai pe 'a e talanoa'i e me'a ni 'o 'ikai fu'u fiema'u e 'olisinolo tokiumeni e! hahehi!
 
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malo seni e fktalanoa pea 'oku lave'i pe ho'o feinga 'oku fai. kataki pe na'a kuo fktupu lili mo fktupuvela atu 'ete lave kuo fai, ka 'oku hange pe ko e me'a neu tokanga atu ki ai, "KO E ME'A PE IA 'OKU HIKI HE TOHITAPU NEU NGAUE ATU'AKI" 'o 'IKAI ko ha'aku ma'u mei he nusipepa fk'aho hange ko ha makasini model pe ko e "taimi 'o tonga' etc.
 
seni, ko e mo'oni ho'olave ne ma'u me'atokoni e 'EIKI TOETU'U he ne FEITUNU, pea ne Talanoa ki he'ene Kau AKO ETC. KAKO E KOTOA PE E 'U ME'A KO IA NE FAI 'AKI E "SINO TOETU'U" 'o 'IKAI ko e SINO SIU!! Ko Tu'a Fa'itoka, 'oku 'IKAI toe Fai ai ha Lau Siu mo e Senitaile, ka ko e LAU MO'UI PE MO E FKFETA'I , he ko e fkmatakali (Tonga mo e Siu) hangee kiate au 'oku 'IKAI ha toe lau pehee 'a e tohitapu ia ki ai.
 
Me'a pe 'oku mahino kia au, ko e ngaahi 'u me'a ko ia kuo ke lau (feitunu, ma'ume'atokoni, lea, haa etc.) ko e taumu'a kotoa ia ke FKMO'ONI'I 'A E TOETU'U, FKLANGILANGI, KE FKAFE'I E KAUAKO KE NAU TUI, FKHA E IKUNA,  PEA PEHE KI HE KEHE E SINO ko ia mei he FA'AHIKEHE etc. Vakai ki he lea 'a Sisu kia Mele, 'OUA TE KE ALA KIATE AU HE 'OKU TE'EKI KEU 'ALU HAKE KI HE TAMAI..." 'E ala tokoni eni ke fkmahino ki he KEHE 'o e SINO TOETU'U mei he SINO KO IA NE LAU AI KO E SIU he tukufkholo fk-holo 'o e laine Tu'i ko e Hako 'o Tevita.
 
ko ho palopalema, 'ou 'OKU 'IKAI ko ha lau KUOU 'oatu, ka KO E ANGA HO'O 'UHINGA'I e me'a 'oku HIKI HE TOHITAPU. ko ia, ko e PULEAKO SIA 'ATOUTAI pe te ne 'oatu kiate koe e TALI KI HO'O FIFILI NA he ko 'ene TAUKAVE, ka 'oku 'IKAI ko au.
 
pea 'oku SAI ho'o fifili na he te tau ako kotoa pe ai foki, kapau 'e lava hano tali mai mei he puleako sia 'a toutai.
 
ko e me'a pe, he 'OKU 'IKAI keu tui au ko e me'a ko eni 'oku fkhoko 'e he puleako sia 'a toutai ko 'ene FKTONGA'I 'a e SISU 'ALO 'O E 'OTUA. Ka 'oku hange pe ia ko e lau 'a Paula, "...KUO KALAISI 'ATAA..." (Paula ko e Siu mo e Senitalie). 'E kalaisi 'ataa pe nai hono konga SIU 'o 'IKAI KAU ai e hono konga senitaile?
 
mahu'inga foki hano toe lau mo ha ngaahi source felave'i mo e ngaahi tefito'i akonaki mo e founga fkUesiliana 'a ee ne tukufkholo mai meia Sione Uesilee, he 'e tokoni ia ki he felaafoaki ka 'oku 'IKAI ko e nofo he anga 'etau fkkaukau ki he ngaue 'a e puleako sia 'a toutai, he ko e Faifekau Uesiliana ia, 'oku ne TALI MO NGAUE'AKI e ngaahi me'a 'a e Uesiliana (Sione Uesilee). Neu lave atu kimu'a, 'e mahu'inga 'etau takiatah tufi mei he ongo taukave ni fktou'osi (Palu &Puloka) he me'a 'e ala tokoni kiate kita ke fklahi 'ete ki'i 'Oa he taumaia 'e fai ha fetukulolo'aki ia 'i ha'atu fkkikihi.
 
'ofa atu mo e lotu
lotopoha.

2009/6/15 seni taniela <seni...@yahoo.com.au>





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Rev. Sisitoutai Taufa

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Seni, malo e ngaue lahi mo e ako kuo lava,kataki pe he fakahoha'a ko eni
ko e motu'a ta'e ako eni ia,kae fie mo'ui pe mo fie'ilo ki he teolosia
'o e 'Otua mohu me'aa,hange kuo 'asi mai ha ki'i efu he 'ea,hange ia ha
fisi'ia nai,'oku mau kata ho'omou anga pehee,'e faifai ho'omou fifilii
'i hotau 'api ni mo e ngaahi tali ,pea hage hotau 'api faka'ofo'ofa ni
hange ia ha nofo'anga ha kau heletiko,'oku 'ikai ko koe pe Seni kataki
'alaa,na'a ke tuputamaki mai.
Omai 'a e pepa 'a e motu'a ta'okete faifekau ko ee pe 'oku a'u 'ene pepa
ki ongomatu'a Tonga na'e tupu mei ai 'a Sisu pe 'ikai ,ka ko ho'omou
'atamai'ia foki kuo toho ai ke a'u ki he ngaahi feitu'u ia ,'ikai ha toe
vamama'o ia mo e kau heletiko. faka'ofa atu ko e 'Eiki 'oku tau mo'ui ai
ho'omou pehe'i,taau pe ko e Tama fa'akataki ee malo mo e 'ofa lahi atu
kiate kimoutolu 'oku lau Tasilisili. Sisi T.

Saikolone Taufa

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Veni, fakamolemole 'o fakatalatala mai 'eku kau atu 'a'aku ia ki he fa'ahinga taukave ko'ena, he 'oku te'eki ke 'iai ha'aku lave atu 'a'aku ia ki he Sisuu 'a Lone. Pea ke kataki 'o tuku pe 'a Ma'afu kene tali mai 'ae fifili 'ae kakai ki he 'ene Sisuu, 'omai pe 'e koe ho'o Sisuu he 'oku faka'ofo'ofa mo manumanumelie tatau pe ia moe Sisuu 'a Lotopoha. Kae sai kae fai angee ha fakasiosio ki he Sisu Fakaleitii he 'oku ngali faka'ofo'ofa mo manumanumelie pe mo ia. Moe 'ofa mo e lotu. Lone

sfaupula

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hahahahheheh!! lone 'oku 'ikai ha'aku sisu. ngata pe he sisu ko ia 'oku fkmatala ki ai e tohitapu. ko e siu na'e tangata kakato pea 'otua kakato pea 'oku fe'unga ia ki he'eku mo'ui fk'aho pea ko ia pe tene fka'u 'eku mo'ui ke a'usia e langilangi 'o e 'otua. hange kia au ko e sisu ena 'a ee 'oku hange ko felehuhuni 'o liliu ki he mo ee e?!!!! hehehaha!! fielau hono taufale'i 'e tafakula e tevolo ha'amoa ko ia e!!! 'e'e'ehehe!!!
 
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Veni, fakamolemole 'o fakatalatala mai 'eku kau atu 'a'aku ia ki he fa'ahinga taukave ko'ena, he 'oku te'eki ke 'iai ha'aku lave atu 'a'aku ia ki he Sisuu 'a Lone. Pea ke kataki 'o tuku pe 'a Ma'afu kene tali mai 'ae fifili 'ae kakai ki he 'ene Sisuu, 'omai pe 'e koe ho'o Sisuu he 'oku faka'ofo'ofa mo manumanumelie tatau pe ia moe Sisuu 'a Lotopoha. Kae sai kae fai angee ha fakasiosio ki he Sisu Fakaleitii he 'oku ngali faka'ofo'ofa mo manumanumelie pe mo ia. Moe 'ofa mo e lotu. Lone



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‘Oku mau tokolahi pe ‘a e kau siosio pe mei he tafa’aki.  Pea malie ‘a e fakatalanoa ia pea toe fihifihi atu mo e faka’uhinga.  ‘Ofa pe ‘e vave ha taimi ‘e matala ai ‘a e talanga ke lava hano fakama’opo’opo.

 

Neu ki'i afe vave pe ki he fakamatala ‘a Ma’afu na’e post mai 'i he Tasilisili.  Pea fakatupu ai ‘a e ki'i fifili ko eni. 

 

Matamata ko e ngaahi Talanoa ‘oku tefito ki he hanga ‘e he Sisu Tonga ‘o to’o ‘a Sisu mei he’ene Siu ‘o ai ke Tonga.  Pe ko e teunga fakaTonga pe ko e fale'i mo e toto Tonga ‘oku ‘ikai ke mahino ia mei he Talanoa ko eni.  Pea mahalo koe me’a ia ‘oku fiem’au ai ‘a e ngaahi fakamatala ke ma’u mai. 

 

Na’e ‘asi hake ‘a e lave ki he ‘transplant’ ki Tonga ‘o e Kosipeli. ‘I he tu’unga ko ia, ‘e kei Siu pe ‘a e fu’u ‘akau, ka ko e kelekele pe ‘e Tonga.  Pea tatau pe ia mo e Sisu Siu kae teunga FakaTonga. Pea hoko atu ai …

 

‘Oku ou mahu’inga’ia 'i he methodology ‘oku pehe ‘oku taa'i.  ‘Oku hange ‘a e ta’ai ‘o e mefoti ha taa'i ha sio’ata (mirror).  ‘Oku takai hake pe ‘a e fu’u maea ‘o foki mai pe ‘o tau pe maea he maea.

 

Ko e faka’uhinga ‘a e FF mo e talaki ‘o Sisu ko e Misaia na’e lahi falala ki he fakamo’oni mei he ngaahi palofisai mei he FM.  Pea ka to’o ‘a e ngaahi tala mei he FM, pea ‘e fu’u masiva fau ‘a e fakamatala ‘o Sisu. 

 

Tau fakataataa ‘aki eni. Ko hono ‘aulliliki ‘o e ngaahi palofisai misaia ‘oku talanoa ki ai ‘a Matiu ko hono transplant mai ia ‘o e ngaahi palofisai mei he FM ‘o too ‘ia Sisu.  'I he FM, ko e lahi ‘o e ngaahi palofisai ai, na’e ‘uhinga ia ki he ngaahi me’a kehe. Kae hanga atu ‘a e kau fa’u tohi FF ‘o fakaheka mai ‘o teunga ‘aki ‘e Sisu. 

 

Hange kiate au, ko e mefoti fakaFF pe ‘oku fai ‘e he Sisu Tonga.  Kapau ko e fakaheka fakamalohi’i pe mei he FM ke teunga’aki ‘a Sisu pea taa ‘e halaia tatau pe ‘a e Sisu Tonga mo e FF! Pea koe’uhi kuo fakatonuhia'i ‘a e fakamatala ‘a e FF, pea kapau ko ia, pea ‘e heka atu ai pe ‘a e Sisu Tonga he mefoti tatau!

 

Ko e anga pe sio mei he tafa’aki, pea ka kuo hala ia mo e va’inga 'i loto mala’e, pea fai mo delete atu mo e fakapiko, tkh


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Hange kiate au, ko e mefoti fakaFF pe ‘oku fai ‘e he Sisu Tonga.  Kapau ko e fakaheka fakamalohi’i pe mei he FM ke teunga’aki ‘a Sisu pea taa ‘e halaia tatau pe ‘a e Sisu Tonga mo e FF! Pea koe’uhi kuo fakatonuhia'i ‘a e fakamatala ‘a e FF, pea kapau ko ia, pea ‘e heka atu ai pe ‘a e Sisu Tonga he mefoti tatau!

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Pea 'oku heka ai moe ngaahi Sisu kotoa pe 'oku mo'ui'aki moe tui kiai 'ae kau Kalisitianee, pea 'e heka fakatafa'aki atu ai mo'eku Sisu Fakaleitii, kapau temou loto kiai. Pea mahalo na'a lava ai ke toe 'ai ha 'uhinga fo'ou ki he lea heletiko moe 'aitoli 'aee kuo toutou tapaekina 'i faleni. Moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone
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Faifekau,
Malo e tau mo e ngaue lahi mei he 'Apiako na. Fakamalo lahi atu he tokoni mai ki he ninimo 'oku lolotonga hoko 'i hono fakakaukau'i e ongo Sisu pe ko fee koa 'oku tonu.
 
'Ofa atu ki he kau ako.
Vanisi


From: TKHavea <tkh...@ptc.ac.fj>
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Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga

‘Oku mau tokolahi pe ‘a e kau siosio pe mei he tafa’aki.  Pea malie ‘a e fakatalanoa ia pea toe fihifihi atu mo e faka’uhinga.  ‘Ofa pe ‘e vave ha taimi ‘e matala ai ‘a e talanga ke lava hano fakama’opo’opo.

 

Neu ki'i afe vave pe ki he fakamatala ‘a Ma’afu na’e post mai 'i he Tasilisili.  Pea fakatupu ai ‘a e ki'i fifili ko eni. 

 

Matamata ko e ngaahi Talanoa ‘oku tefito ki he hanga ‘e he Sisu Tonga ‘o to’o ‘a Sisu mei he’ene Siu ‘o ai ke Tonga .  Pe ko e teunga fakaTonga pe ko e fale'i mo e toto Tonga ‘oku ‘ikai ke mahino ia mei he Talanoa ko eni.  Pea mahalo koe me’a ia ‘oku fiem’au ai ‘a e ngaahi fakamatala ke ma’u mai. 

 

Na’e ‘asi hake ‘a e lave ki he ‘transplant’ ki Tonga ‘o e Kosipeli. ‘I he tu’unga ko ia, ‘e kei Siu pe ‘a e fu’u ‘akau, ka ko e kelekele pe ‘e Tonga.  Pea tatau pe ia mo e Sisu Siu kae teunga FakaTonga. Pea hoko atu ai …

 

‘Oku ou mahu’inga’ia 'i he methodology ‘oku pehe ‘oku taa'i.  ‘Oku hange ‘a e ta’ai ‘o e mefoti ha taa'i ha sio’ata (mirror).  ‘Oku takai hake pe ‘a e fu’u maea ‘o foki mai pe ‘o tau pe maea he maea.

 

Ko e faka’uhinga ‘a e FF mo e talaki ‘o Sisu ko e Misaia na’e lahi falala ki he fakamo’oni mei he ngaahi palofisai mei he FM.  Pea ka to’o ‘a e ngaahi tala mei he FM, pea ‘e fu’u masiva fau ‘a e fakamatala ‘o Sisu. 

 

Tau fakataataa ‘aki eni. Ko hono ‘aulliliki ‘o e ngaahi palofisai misaia ‘oku talanoa ki ai ‘a Matiu ko hono transplant mai ia ‘o e ngaahi palofisai mei he FM ‘o too ‘ia Sisu.  'I he FM, ko e lahi ‘o e ngaahi palofisai ai, na’e ‘uhinga ia ki he ngaahi me’a kehe. Kae hanga atu ‘a e kau fa’u tohi FF ‘o fakaheka mai ‘o teunga ‘aki ‘e Sisu. 

 

Hange kiate au, ko e mefoti fakaFF pe ‘oku fai ‘e he Sisu Tonga .  Kapau ko e fakaheka fakamalohi’i pe mei he FM ke teunga’aki ‘a Sisu pea taa ‘e halaia tatau pe ‘a e Sisu Tonga mo e FF! Pea koe’uhi kuo fakatonuhia'i ‘a e fakamatala ‘a e FF, pea kapau ko ia, pea ‘e heka atu ai pe ‘a e Sisu Tonga he mefoti tatau!

 

Ko e anga pe sio mei he tafa’aki, pea ka kuo hala ia mo e va’inga 'i loto mala’e, pea fai mo delete atu mo e fakapiko, tkh

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Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu Tonga
Tau fakataataa ‘aki eni. Ko hono ‘aulliliki ‘o e ngaahi palofisai misaia ‘oku talanoa ki ai ‘a Matiu ko hono transplant mai ia ‘o e ngaahi palofisai mei he FM ‘o too ‘ia Sisu.  'I he FM, ko e lahi ‘o e ngaahi palofisai ai, na’e ‘uhinga ia ki he ngaahi me’a kehe. Kae hanga atu ‘a e kau fa’u tohi FF ‘o fakaheka mai ‘o teunga ‘aki ‘e Sisu. 

 

Hange kiate au, ko e mefoti fakaFF pe ‘oku fai ‘e he Sisu Tonga .  Kapau ko e fakaheka fakamalohi’i pe mei he FM ke teunga’aki ‘a Sisu pea taa ‘e halaia tatau pe ‘a e Sisu Tonga mo e FF! Pea koe’uhi kuo fakatonuhia'i ‘a e fakamatala ‘a e FF, pea kapau ko ia, pea ‘e heka atu ai pe ‘a e Sisu Tonga he mefoti tatau!

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 Malo Faifekau, pea mahino lelei 'auptio 'ae fakamaama moe ki'i fakama'opo'opo talanoa kuo ke fai...Fakafeta'i koe 'iai e FF.... ke fai hanga'unu kihe me'a fo'ou mo taau moe 'aho..

 

malo ,

 

sami.

 



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Matamata ko e ngaahi Talanoa ‘oku tefito ki he hanga ‘e he Sisu Tonga ‘o to’o ‘a Sisu mei he’ene Siu ‘o ai ke Tonga .  Pe ko e teunga fakaTonga pe ko e fale'i mo e toto Tonga ‘oku ‘ikai ke mahino ia mei he Talanoa ko eni.  Pea mahalo koe me’a ia ‘oku fiem’au ai ‘a e ngaahi fakamatala ke ma’u mai. 

Faifekau,

 

Kou manatu foki ki he ‘i USA ni ‘a Dr. Puloka na’a ne ngaue quarter time mai ki homau siasi (Metotisi Palo Alto) (90s’), pea ko Tisema na’a ne teuteu ai ‘ae lesoni Kilisimasi ‘o ngaue’aki ‘ae Sisu ne ‘alo’i ‘i Tonga.  Ko Mele na’a ne takai lolo pea ‘ai mo hono vala ngafingafi hange ha finemui teuteu ke tau’olunga, pea toki hiva ‘a Mele ‘i he hiva kuo fa’u fakatau’a’alo….pehe kia ‘Elisapesi pea toki ha’u ‘a Siosifa kuo ta’eta’ekofu mo hono fu’u vala ngatu…ngali ha fo’ou ka na’e ‘ikai ofi ia ki he mafana moe laumalie ‘oe Sisu ne u maheni mo ia talu ‘eku kei valevale e…kaekehe, koe fifili ‘e ‘aonga pe nai mo ha Mele fa’e ‘a Sisu Tonga kuo fa’ele ia kimu’a? 

 

‘Ofa atu

Miss Noa

FUMC – Palo Alto

 


Rev. Sisitoutai Taufa

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TKH vinaka vakalevu,kuo lotu mai 'a 'Elaona mei he Sia,pea ke manava
mai mei ptc ko e fakama'opo'opo,mahalo pe kuo mou hoha'a'ia he taupatuu
holo homou tu'afale,kae malo e tapa mai,mahalo pe ne mou ma'aumohe
kimoutolu kae fai folau 'a e kau ako ia ee, hange ko e Kosipeli 'o e
uike ni, mo e 'ofa atu ai pe Sisi T.

TKHavea wrote:
>
> ‘Oku mau tokolahi pe ‘a e kau siosio pe mei he tafa’aki. Pea malie ‘a
> e fakatalanoa ia pea toe fihifihi atu mo e faka’uhinga. ‘Ofa pe ‘e
> vave ha taimi ‘e matala ai ‘a e talanga ke lava hano fakama’opo’opo.
>
>
>
> Neu ki'i afe vave pe ki he fakamatala ‘a Ma’afu na’e post mai 'i he
> Tasilisili. Pea fakatupu ai ‘a e ki'i fifili ko eni.
>
>
>
> Matamata ko e ngaahi Talanoa ‘oku tefito ki he hanga ‘e he Sisu Tonga
> ‘o to’o ‘a Sisu mei he’ene Siu ‘o ai ke Tonga . Pe ko e teunga

Sisilia Thomas

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Quoting seni taniela <seni...@yahoo.com.au>:
manavasi'i na'a tau toe 'ai ha 'imisi 'aitoli 'i he'etau ngaahi
faka-kaukau...Sisu melomelo 'alo popao pea mate tautau he mongaa....he
'oku 'ikai ha tutuki kolosi i Tonga...are we creating our own god? a god
in our own image? vakai na'a ko e 'aitoli
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Hausia wrote:
Manatu ki he semina 'a e faifekau, 'Iki Pope 'i he Ipiseli 'a Paula ki he
kakai Kaletia. Na'e fakamatala 'a 'Iki 'o pehee na'e kau 'a Paula 'i he kakai
na'e sio ki he tutuki 'o Sisu 'i he kolosi. Pea ne hanga 'o fakamatala'i 'a e
fepotalanoa'aki 'a Sisu pea mo Paula 'i Kalevale. Ko e  faufaua atu 'a e pasi 
kae tu'u fakalongolongo hake 'a e faiako 'o pehee mai "ko e ha 'a e ma'u'anga
fakamatala ki he seminaa koeni?
Malie pe fakakaukau 'o e Sisu Tonga kae hange ko e ngaahi kole kimu'a ke 'omi
e ngaahi ma'u'anga fakamatala. mo e 'ofa mei he Nursing Chapel
hausia 
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Kataki pe he huu tomui atu ko eni, he óku ngalingali kuo mou situá kimoutolu mei he supiesi óku haa í ólunga.  Óku malie lahi e ngaahi laaulea, pea óku monuía hotau paenga ni í he kau toketa helohelo ó e ngaahi malaé kehekehe í he ako mo e lotu, pea kau ai foki mo e Teolosia. Óku kau foki á e Christology/Theology he tafaáki óku kei fai atu ai 'emau teekina fakavakavakaámei mei he kauvai ko eni.
 
Hangehangee kiate au he felaafoaki mo e fifili kuo fai he paenga ni, fekauáki mo e fehuí mahuínga óku élito áki á e Christology:  Who do you say that I am?  Pe ko hai á Sisu kiate kitautolu he áho ni?  Kuo óhake leva á e Incarnation (the person of Christ) ki ólunga kae moloki á e Salvation (Soteriology or the work of Christ). Kuo lahi e taimi mo e space kuo toutou vilohi ai e Sisu Tonga & Sisu ko e Siu!  This is okay, but we're trying to sell one at the expense of the other!  Óku í ai e lau á Philip Yancey ''oku vaofi (mahalo) mo e meá kuo ke lave ki aí ólunga Hausia:  "It is the cross!" It is the cross, what the Jewish Jesus, the Messiah did on the cross, that has connected us sinful creatures with the divine.....the Almighty God, our Father & Creator!
 
Koma hee kae teu e malanga Sapate.  Ófa atu, Sisilia.
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