Matiu 1:18-25

[Taniela Sila]

Koe ki'i lafo atu pe fekau'aki pea moe lesoni he sapate. Hange kiate
au koe mahu'inga 'o e fefine Taupo'ou pea mo hono ngaahi anga. ka 'oku
fakatupu fifili 'aupito 'a e anga fakataaupo'ou ke tau ki'i ki'i sio
kiai

Nela

[Sione 'Atupuha Koloti]

nela malo e langalanga mai,

 

'oku malie 'aupito 'a e misiteli 'oku ke kamata mai. ko e me'a 'eni 'e taha 'oku sio ki ai, ko e tapo'ou na'e tu'itu'ia (ki he laumalie ma'oni'oni), pea ko tamasi'i na'e 'alo'i ko e koto fakakoloa,

 

Ko e veesi malanga : Matiu 1:23 Vakai 'e feitama 'a e taupo'ou, pea te ne 'alo'i ha tama, pea te nau fakahingoa ia ko Imanuela.

 

'Kaveinga :

KUO TANGATA 'A E 'OTUA

'OTUA 'IATE KITAUTOLU.

 

ko e ki'i kamata atu pe na'a 'i ai ha lafo.

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Li atu e ki'i felefele ni he tafa'aki e fala kuo fofola. Fakamolemole
ka 'oku piko ia mei he faka'amu.

"Pea na'e fai 'eni kotoa pe, ko e 'uhi ki he me'a ne folofola'aki 'e
he 'Eiki 'i he Palofita"

'Oku 'i ai 'a e palopalema fekau'aki moe (mohenga totonu) 'o e konga
ko eni 'oku ngaue'aki 'e Matiu, 'a hangee 'oku meimei ma'u hala nai,
pe ngaue hala'aki 'e Matiu e konga ko eni mei a 'Aisea ('Aisea 7:14).
(Mathew quoted out of context). Pe ko e taha eni e ngaahi 'uhinga 'oku
fifili'i ai e kau fakama'opo'opo Tohitapu! (canonized the Bible)

Ko 'Isileli 'oku vaeua he taimi ko eni ('Aisea 7); Isileli mo Siuta.
'Oku lolotonga 'i ai e mafai muli 'oku 'i 'Isileli (ko Silia 'apee),
pea hanga mai 'a 'Isileli 'o 'ohofi 'a Selusalema, ko e kolomu'a 'o
Siuta. Neongo na'e 'ikai too 'a Selusalema, ka ne hoko eni ke nofo
tailiili ai 'a e Tu'i Siuta - Ahasi, mo hono kakai. Ne fekau ai 'a
'Aisea ke 'alu kia Ahasi, pea koe fetalano'aki ko eni 'oku ha'u mei ai
'a e konga 'oku ngaue'aki 'e Matiu (Matiu 1:23).

Ko e "faka'ilonga", ka 'oku 'ikai ko e "palofisai"?

Ko e fekau eni ke kole ha faka'ilonga ki he ongoongo ko ia ke "nofo
nonga" pe ia 'oua 'e hoha'a ki he ongo "ngau'aafi kohu na" ('Aisea
7:10). Pea tala leva koe faka'ilonga eni (v.14 'o 'Aisea - vakai 'e
feitama 'a e taupo'ou pea te ne fa'ele'i ha tama pea te ne fakahingoa
ko 'Imanuela ...). Ko e konga eni 'oku hiki 'e Matiu. Ka ko e kakano
ia 'o e palopalema.

Ko e palopalema, he 'oku tala 'e Matiu ia ko e tuhu kia Sisu, ka ko e
mohenga totonu ia 'o e konga ko eni ko e faka'ilonga ia kia Tu'i Ahasi
he'ene nofo teteki ki he ongo Tu'i ko ee ('Isileli & Silia). 'Oku
mahino eni mei he hoko atu e lau 'o e vahe 7 'o 'Aisea 'o 'ikai ngata
pee 'i he vesi 14, ka e vakai kihe veesi 16 - ".. he te'eki ke poto 'a
e tamasi'i ke teke'i 'a e kovi mo filu 'a e lelei, kuo li'aki 'a e
kelekele ko ee, 'a ia 'oku ke mate teki ki hono ongo tu'i".

'A ia 'oku mahino mai, ko e 'Imanuela 'oku 'uhinga ki ai 'a 'Asia 7:14
ia, 'oku hoko mai pe ia 'i he taimi ko ia - he kuo pau ke too 'a
'Isileli ia (li'aki e kelekele 'a ia 'oku ke teki ki hono ongo tu'i),
kimu'a ke poto e tamasi'i he 'ilo e lelei mo e kovi - pe ko hono 'ai
mahino, he kei ta'u 2 pe 3 nai, pe 'i he lotu Siu hono ta'u 14!

Koe palopalema leva 'o e hiki 'a Matiu ko e 'ikai ke fenapasi 'a e
'uhinga 'o e konga tohi ni ('Aisea 7:14), pea mo e 'Alo'i 'o Sisu
(Matiu 1:23), he na'e 'uhinga 'a 'Aisea 7:14 ia ki he faka'ilonga kia
Tu'i Ahasi, ka 'oku 'ikai ko hano palofisai'i 'o Sisu ta'u 700~ ki he
kaha'u.

'Oku fehu'ia leva ai 'a "taupo'ou" 'i hono ngaue'aki kia Mele. He
kapau ne ngaue hala 'aki 'e Matiu e konga ko eni mei a 'Aisea, pea
faka'ilongaua leva pe na'e "taupo'ou" 'a Mele. Pea 'i he'ene pehee,
pea 'oku ngali tama 'oku fakama'u e ngaahi tokateline lahi ki he fu'u
pou tau'omo'omo. He kapau 'oku 'ikai taupo'ou 'a Mele, pea ta na'e
tamai ki mamani pee 'a Sisu (his divinity isn't what we have made it
up to be), pea ne anga fefee ha'ane mo'ui ta'emele mo ta'ehia? ... pea
mo e haafua e ngaahi afo fakatokateline 'oku piki ki he " ....
tu'itu'ia mei he Laumalie Ma'oni'oni ..."

[sfaupula]

mahalo pe 'e tokoni ke vakai'i angee pe ko fee 'a e hamatika 'oku sio
mei ai 'a matiu.

1) literal fulfillment

2) typological

3) literal-contextual

4) principle/application

'oku ou tui ne ngaue kotoa 'aki pe eni 'i he kuonga 'o sisu kae
tautefito kia sisu pea moe kau hiki tohi 'i he folofola. matamata 'oku
sio 'a matiu meihe fougna fika ua. ka ko e anga pe eni ia kau talanoa.

sitiveni

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Malo Veni
'Ikai ko aa ko e fakalahi pee ki ha kau malana kilisimasi ke
fakatokanga'i, he mahalo na'a tokoni ki he vivili ki ha ngaahi me'a
'oku kanomate ange fekau'aki mo e 'alo'i 'o Sisu. He 'oku 'i ai foki
hono fakamahalo'i ko Matiu ne taka moe kaaimu'a (eccentric) 'ene hiki
na'e fai (hangee ko 'ene tafoki hake 'o quote: Matiu 2:15).

Pea mahalo na'a 'oku sai ke lakulaku mai e kau tama 'oku 'anautolu e
fakatonulea: He ko e fanongo talanoa pee 'oku 'i ai e ngaahi fotunga
kehekehe 'o e lea "virgin" (taupo'ou) mei he 'ulungaanga Hepelu,
tukukehe ange 'a e ngaahi lea Hepelu ne ngaue'aki pea mo 'ene a'u mai
ki he Kalisi (ko e lea ne ngaue'aki he taimi hiki 'a Matiu mo e 'otu),
pea toki a'u mai eni ki he 'Ingilisi.

Kaikehe ko e 'palopalema' faka-context pee ne lii atu ke
fakatokanga'i, ka ko e me'a mahu'inga ena 'oku ke 'ohake fekau'aki mo
e fa'ahinga sio (hematika) ne fai'aki 'e Matiu. He 'oku ngali ne
ngaue'aki 'e Matiu 'a e Tohitapu Kalisi ('a e lea hono taimi), pea ne
liliu mai ki he Kalisi mei he Hepeluu (& Alamiki), 'o ma'u e
fakakaukau "virgin".

Ka 'oku kei faingata'a pee ko e 'ikai ha toe prooftext (Fuakava
Motu'a?). Ngali ko 'Aisea (7:14), pee 'oku proof-text ki ai 'a Matiu,
pea kapau 'oku ngali ne ne ngaue hala'aki e context, pea 'e toe
prooftext mei fe?

Ka ko e fakalanga fekau'aki mo e lea "taupo'ou" ne fai 'e Nela, 'a ia
'oku 'omai mei he 'Ingilisi - virgin, 'oku ne hunuaki e ngata'anga
'oku ngali fu'u mano'o, tautefito ki he sio 'aki hotau Tonga. Ka 'oku
'i ai e pehee, 'e ngali faa'ataa ange ke ngaue'aki e lea "maiden" he
'Ingilisi pea 'oku 'ikai keu toe lave'i ha lea Tonga 'e ngali faa'ataa
ange ke ngaue'aki 'o 'ikai ko e "taupo'ou" pee. Ko e "maiden" 'oku
nague'aki ko ee he sipoti kilikiti ..... ko e toki 'ova 'uluaki pe
'oku teka'i 'e he tama teka, ka ko e tama pe ia 'oku fa'a teka.

Pea kia Mele mo e lea taupo'ou 'oku tau fakapipiki ki ai mei he hiki
'a Matiu 'ata'ataa pee. Kiate au, 'oku lelei 'aupito pe, ka ko e malie
he 'oku 'ikai ha lau 'a Paula ia ki he virgin birth, pe ha toe taha
ange he kau tama hiki ki mui (Fuakava Fo'ou). 'Oku nau femou'ekina
kinautolu he tuku kia Sisu; ne pekia mo toetu'u.

Ko e ange pee laku ki loto na'a 'aonga.

[Sione 'Atupuha Koloti]

Malie kautama 'a e 'ave 'o e paenga ki he tu'unga ko 'eni.

 

'Oku malie ho'omou feme'a 'aki, pea 'asili ai ko e kainga 'oku tauhi ko e tohitapu pe mo e himi  pe 'a molitoni, ko e paaki 'a Uesi, fakaneifua, tohi malanga 'a tevita vea, tohi fakamatala himi 'a siupeli, na'a, makitala, tohi fakamatala hakinikini 'a ma'afu 'o tu'itonga etc.

 

mahino pe 'a e "virgin" na'e 'i ai pe hono mohenga, pea 'e malie kapau 'e ta'aki hake ke ma'u ai ha koloa ma'ae siasi. Ko e vakai papafua na'a ku langa, ko e "tapo'ou na'e tu'itu'ia" Ko e fehu'i, ko e fe na'e fatu mei ai 'a e tokateline fakakatolika loma, ki he "taupo'ou ta'etu'itu'ia" mahalo pe ko e mohonge 'o e virgin 'oku lau ki ai 'a tv.

 

ko e 'imanuela, mahino pe 'a 'aisea ia mo e foha 'o 'ahasi pe foha 'o 'aisea, pea mahino pe 'a matiu mo e foha 'o e laumalie, he 'oku ma'u pe ia mei he ngaahi ma'ungatala kuo 'efinanga. Ko e fehu'i ko e fe 'a e 'imanuela 'e kololia mai ai 'a langi 'i he fo'i laumalie 'e taha. Ko e tama ko e  kohono hingoa ko  imanuela, pe ko e tama ko e na'e tokoto mo e kofu lanu pulu (hange ko e ma'u 'a malia kalapanitolo) fakatamasi'i valevale ko hono hingoa 'o'ona ko Sisu,

 

ko e anga pe vavaku mahalo 'oku sai ke fakalahi ''a e ma'ungatala 'a e kakai 'o e siasi 'a e 'oku huo ma'ala pe mo ngaahi lo'akau kae ifo 'a' e tolilousiale mo e paki e holongamala.

 

ko e fakakohukohu pe.

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'oku ou fakatokanga'i 'a e faluku 'e he 'imanuela 'ia 'Aisea 'a e
fakaukau 'o e 'fakamaau & faka'auha'. ka ko e konga ia (mo e
'imanuela) 'oku hiki mai 'e Matiu 'o ngaue'aki.

ka 'oku pehee 'e Matiu, ko e hingoa Sisu (God saves) ke 'oange ki he
tama (v.21), pea tafoki hake 'o pehe mai - ko e hoko eni ke fakamo'oni
ki he me'a ne tala 'e he Palofita - 'one hiki mai leva e konga ia mei
he talanoa kehe (ne lave ki ai 'i 'olunga). 'oku fefe ai 'ene mahino?
ko e 'imanuela 'a e 'Otua ko e luelue fakataha mai 'ko ho mamahi na
'oku ou ongo'i he neu mo'ua ia foki', mo e langa ai pee 'o e pule'anga
'aki 'a e fakakaukau ta'e'amanaekina.

ko e tu'itu'ia taupo'ou 'oku ngalingali ko e borrow mai 'e Matiu e
laine mei a 'Aisea ke ne fka'esia 'aki e 'ikai tamai 'a Sisu kia
Siosifa (typological 'oku 'uhinga ki ai 'a Veni). ka kiate au, neongo
'oku lelei pee ke 'i ai hano faka'uhinga'i e tu'itu'ia taupo'ou ke fai
ha piki ki ia, ka 'oku fu'u ta'emahino ia ke fakatefito nai ia ha'aku
muimui kia Sisu. pea me'atepuu 'ene ta'emahino ke fakatefito ai ha
ki'i malanga ke tufi ai e Siasi.
'oku kehekehe pee 'a e "'alo 'o e 'otua" mei he "'otua ko e
'alo" (trinitarian). 'a ia ko Luke 1(v.34 & 35), 'oku ngalingali 'e
ofi ange kapau ko e 'uhinga e tu'itu'ia taup'ou ia ko e fakamo'oni ki
he 'amanaki fakamisaia (messianic expectation), 'a ia ko e hoko ke
fakamo'oni kia Mele mo 'ene veiveiua.

kiate au ia 'oku 'ikai ke u fu'u mahu'inga'ia pee na'e hoko e
"tu'itu'ia" faka-taupo'ou 'a Mele pe 'ikai, he 'oku ou vakai holo au
he toenga 'o e fakamatala 'a e kau mu'aki kalisitiane, (Fuakava
Fo'ou), 'oku hangee 'oku 'ikai ke nau mahu'inga'ia kinautolu ai. pea
ko e me'a mahu'inga 'e taha ko e 'ikai ke 'i ai ha toe fakafelave'i ia
'o e "ta'emele & pekia" 'a Sisu ki he "'alo'i 'e he taupo'ou", 'i he
toenga 'o e Fuakava Fo'ou. Ko 'eku 'uhinga 'oku 'ikai fakamahino pau
ia ko e tu'unga e ta'e-angahala 'a Sisu, pe ko 'ene mate, mei he
fa'ele'i taupo'ou.

ko e 'imanuela ia 'a e 'Otua, ko e koto fkakoloa lahi ia 'i he 'uhinga
kehe (kiate au), 'o mama'o ia mei he tu'itu'ia taupo'ou. pea mahalo
'oku 'i ai pee ha 'uhinga ma'olunga ia 'a e taupo'ou faka-katolika, ka
ko e afe ki ai ko e afe ia kihe fu'u moana. tuku atu ia kia patele
'oku ne 'ilo e 'au ko ia

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malo mu'a tevita e langalanga mai e me'a ni. mahalo 'e toe tokoni pe
ke vakai'i e lau 'a 'aisea 'i he vahe 8:18 'o kau ki he tokotaha 'oku
lau ki ai e 7:14. 'Oku ne pehe ko e fanau kuo foaki kiate ia 'e sihova
ko e fk'ilonga moe taipe 'i he lotolotonga 'o 'isileli. ko e hoko atu
ki he vahe 9 'oku toki tatala fk'osi ai 'e 'aisea e fkkaukau kakato ki
he toko taha 'oku fktaipe ki ai 'a e tokotaha 'i he vahe 7 'aki 'ene
lea ki ha taimi 'e hoko mai ai ha foha ko fkofo-'ene-fale'i, ko e
helo-'otua, ko e tamai ta'engata, ko e 'eiki 'o e melino pea tene
'afio 'i he taloni 'o tevita v.7. somewhere along this line matthew
could see jesus as the true immanuel 'oku lea ki ai 'a aisea he 7:14.
or in the fuller sense of the idea.

tau tali pe 'e kitautolu ko e taaupo'ou te'eki 'ilo tangata 'a mele,
he ko e lau pe iA 'A MELE 'i he talanoa 'o e 'alo'i 'oku ha 'ia luke.
the argument of denial does not stand under rigorous scrutiny. 'i he
'ene pehee leva we must give mary and mat. the benefit of the doubt.

ko e teke pe he 'oku malie mo tokoni ki he mo'ui...

sitiveni

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[afim...@gmail.com]

Nela,

Kia teau ko Mele ko e tokotaha pe ia na'e fou mai ai e fakamo'ui, he
kapau na'a tau hange ko e hoosi tahi na'e fou mai ia 'ia Siosifa
(hufanga he fakatapu) pea 'oku mahino pe ia mei he ngaahi hiki tohi he
Tohitapu na'e 'ikai ke fu'u mahu'inga fefe fau ia pe ko e whom she
was?, ko e me'a pe ia na'e mahu'inga ko e 'ai kakano, ko ia na'e pau
ia ke fou mai hono fanau'i mai.Pea na'e grow as a normal human being,
toki fakafokifa pe kuo ha hono anga Faka'otua.Ko e spot-light ko Sisu
and the rest were back-round.

'Ofa atu

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Ko hono mo'oni ia 'o e kikite tuhu kia Sisu 'oku ke lave ki ai Veni -
'a hono tatala 'e 'Aisea he hoko atu ki he vahe 8 & 9. 'A ia ko e me'a
ia 'oku kanomate ange! Ka ko e tatele holo pe eni he "taupo'ou" ('i he
langa talanoa 'o e tepila), mo 'ene ngali ko e 'omai pee 'e Matiu (pea
ko e lesoni ia 'o e uike), ki he anga 'etau ma'u (pe 'ikai nai?). 'A
ia 'oku fai ai hono tapale 'o 'ene quote mai 'a 'Aisea 7:14.

Actually, the scholarship stands in relation to the virgin birth
critique when it concentrate on Mathew's & the way he recorded (esp
his shaky quotations). Because we can only assume his intention. Ka e
mahalo ko e ngaahi me'a ia 'a e kau fakatonulea/liliulea. ko e 'eku
fanongo talanoa pee eni 'oku laku ki loto ke tapale na'a fakalahi ki
he 'efinanga (pe fakaveve). ko e tali moe ta'etali 'o e taupo'ou 'a
Mele ko e me'a ia 'a koe mo au, ka ko hoku kilisimasi 'oku fika kimui
e "tu'itu'ia taupo'ou" ia ke fai ha tokanga ki ai.

Ko e haa nai 'oku ngali ma'ama'a ai e 'epifani (Epiphany) 'oku
fakamanatu he 'aho 6 Sanuali. ko e koloa ia 'o e kilisimasi ko 'ene
holoki e 'aa ne vahe'i 'aki e senitaile pea hoko mai 'o mo'ui'aki pea
ne fakamahino mai 'ae anga hono pule'anga 'oku kamata mei he ma'ulalo.

[ke...@post.com]

Afima:

> na'e 'ikai ke fu'u mahu'inga fefe fau ia pe ko e whom she was?,

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malo e potalanoa, pea malo e kataki kau fefine... eh! Afima, ki'i tahataha'i hake pe 'a Mele ki he tu'unga olioli (mavahe hake pe mei he "'ikai ke fu'u mahu'inga fefe fau")

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malo e ma'u ivi, pea malie!

malo kuo fai e fakatoka. Ko e faofao eni 'oku hoko atu. Ko e vahe 1 'o Matiu 'oku hange nai 'oku loloa ange 'a hono talanoa'i 'o e tohihohoko 'i hono talanoa'i 'o e 'alo'i? Ko e talanoa 'o e 'alo'i 'ia Matiu hange 'oku 'star' ai Siosifa, pea 'oku lele mai pe 'a e tohihohoko 'o a'u mai ki he fakaikuiku pea fakapukupukusi'i leva hono talanoa'i--'Epalahame kia Tevita, Tevita ki he fetuku ki Papilone, pea mei he fetuku ki Papilone kia Kalaisi. Ko e huu ko eni e talanoa 'o e 'alo'i 'o 'star' ai 'a Siosifa 'oku huu ia 'i tu'a tohihohoko. 'Ai ai 'ene tu'u 'i he tu'a margin mo 'ene to e nounou. Ka e mahalo ko ha fa'ahinga 'aliaki fakatanakitukuhau 'a e to'o atu ee 'o tapuni 'aki ee ke kei hokohoko lelei mai pe 'ene tafe. Kaekehe, te tau lau pe 'o 'ilo'i ko Siosifa (tu'o lahi ange hono fakamamafa'i 'i he talanoa ni) ko e fakatafe mai ia 'o e palofisai ke a'u mai kia Sisu. Pea neongo 'a e loloa ange 'a e tohihohoko 'i he talanoa'i 'o e 'alo'i ka 'oku kupukupu ange 'a e talanoa 'o e 'alo'i neongo 'ene nounou ange. Pea pau pe ne 'i ai ha fa'ahinga mo'oni 'oku fufuu 'i he 'ikai fie nofo hifo 'a Matiu ke faka'auliliki mai 'a e 'alo'i ka 'oku hange pe 'oku tuu mo lele pe 'ene fai talanoa, kae tuku atu ia ke toki faofao'i he 'oku kei fonu 'etau fu'u kumete.

ka tau inu mu'a ai pea 'oatu e inu ia e kau faifekau ke lelei na'a 'ikai ke nau lava kinautolu ia 'o fai lelei'i e mohe... Oops, excuse me very much! haha!

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[Taniela Sila]

'E lava nai heni ketau hiki'i e molumalu 'a e kakai fefine mo honau tu'unga he sosaieti...Fefe 'a e totonu 'a e kakai fefine 'oku lolotonga lele holo 'i tonga ni pea mo muli na foki.'Oku 'iai nai ha'ana kaunga kihe lesoni ko 'eni.....KO fe nai e tafa'aki te tau ala fakahoko ai 'a Matiu pea mo 'Aisea...ki'i fakaloloto mai mu'a
 
 
Taniela

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mahalo tevita ko e taha e me'a 'oku palopalema ai 'a 'aisea 7:14 ki he
tokolahi 'i hono ngaue'aki 'e matiu ko e 'ikai ke vakai'i fklelei e
'uhinga 'a matiu ki he fulfillment. was he approaching the text from a
predictive prophecy fulfillment understanding - the sense that
isaiah's words literally pointed to events beyond the surrounding
context of the text. pe na'e sio 'a matiu ki he corresponding typology
'o e events 'ia 'aisea mo e events 'i he talanoa 'o e 'alo'i. kapau
na'e sio 'aki 'e matiu e mata 'o e 'uluaki fkkaukau pea 'e hala 'ene
ngaue'aki 'a 'aisea (esp. the shift of ideas meihe alamah ki he
parthenos). kapau na'a ne sio 'aki e fkkaukau fika ua, 'e 'ikai ke
fu'u palopalema e liliu ia (alamah to parthenos), he ko e me'a
mahu'inga ko e correspond in type 'a e event 'i he 'alo'i ki he event
'ia 'aisea 7.

most of mat's quotations from the ot in mt.1-4 apart from two i think
seems to make most sense only when patterns are compared. ko e me'a ki
hono fk'uhinga;i fkikiiki - in the sense of predictive prophecies
beyond their immediate context - 'e 'ikai ke fu'u make sense fefefau
'a e connections between the quotations and their fulfillment in
jesus. 'oku ou tui ko e founga fika ua ko e founga ia 'oku ala lava ai
'e matiu 'o fk'apa'apa'i 'a e immediate context 'ia 'aisea, he 'oku
'ikai ke deny 'e he founga koeni 'a e hoko e me'a na'e lea ki ai 'a
'aisea 'i he kuonga pe 'o 'aisea. he ko e me'a 'oku tokanga ki ai 'a
matiu ko e correspond fktaipe 'a e ongo events. ka 'oku more
significant ange 'a e me'a ne hoko 'i he talanoa 'o e 'alo'i, he 'oku
lea ia ki he me'a 'oku mo'oni ange 'i he me'a 'oku lea ki ai 'a
'aisea.

ko e 'alo'alo ai pe...
sitiveni
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It is still difficult to accept the "virgin birth" base on a shaky
quotation by mathew, i feel. even if you propose what mathew's
intention would have been, as well as ko e point 'a 'Aisea beyond the
text. That is still problematic, because base on the whole context of
Isaiah 7, not alot was fulfiled in Jesus' time. Immanuel ate curds and
honey .. etc. Why Mathew only used v.14 when 14, 15 &16 (Isaiah) seems
to belong together and tells of something that actually happened.

Another, because when we look at the Torah (presuambly the Bible
Mathew and the lot used), it doesn't state ko e virgin birth is part
of the fullfillment of the comming of the Messiah. tukukehe ange 'a e
fo'i fakanafala 'a Matiu 'ia 'Aisea 7:14.

the other signs are clearly stated which is, kiate au, 'oku mahu'inga
ange (taha eni kuo fokotu'u 'e loke). I like e maama kuo ke hulu'i
mai, and agree with you, and I don't have a problem accepting the idea
of the "virgin birth". I think it's a sweet thing. ka 'oku ou pehee pe
pe ko e haa nai 'oku fika kimu'a ai e virgin birth 'i he ngaahi me'a
kehe (he lau 'a e ni'ihi). Kaekehe, may be its time to focus in, na'a
hoko e birthday 'oku te'eki ta'o e 'umu. feinga'i aa ha ki'i me'a mei
a Mele ka e uu.

by the way,
Ka to'o e tu'itu'ia taupo'ou ia mei Mele, 'oku faingofua ange mo toe
ma'olunga ange 'a ha'a fafine ia, ko me'a ia 'oku ou pehee ai, ne
'ikai tu'unga e 'Otua ia 'a Sisu he tu'itu'ia taupo'ou. (neongo 'oku
fusi mei heni 'a e tokateline lahi mo mahu'inga 'a e ngaahi Siasi).
ko e pipiki ko eni 'a e taupo'ou ia kia Mele (ko e helo 'o ha'a
fafine) pea taimi lahi 'oku tau fa'a hanga 'o to'o hake fu'u fo'i
me'afua ma'olunga faufaua ko eni 'o faka'ata 'aki 'a ha'a fafine (tapu
mo kinautolu). ka ko e lau foki pe eni ia 'a e motu'a tangata

[ke...@post.com]

Taniela:

> 'E lava nai heni ketau hiki'i e molumalu 'a e kakai fefine mo honau
> tu'unga he sosaieti...Fefe 'a e totonu 'a e kakai fefine 'oku
> lolotonga lele holo 'i tonga ni pea mo muli na foki.'Oku 'iai nai
> ha'ana kaunga kihe lesoni ko 'eni.....KO fe nai e tafa'aki te tau
> ala fakahoko ai 'a Matiu pea mo 'Aisea...ki'i fakaloloto mai mu'a

---

'Oua te tau toe feinga ke hiki e kakai fefine na'a nau too lalo... 'oku tatau mo 'etau lesoni 'oku 'ikai too lalo 'a Mele. Hange ko e lau, ke too lalo ne ne fanau'i e Misaia? 'Oku 'i ai ki'i lanu'i hisitolia e lesoni he na'e 'ikai faingata'a ki he 'Otua ke hifo mai pe ia 'iate ia pe fakatatau ki hono mafimafi mo hono poto. Mei he maama 'o e ngaahi talanoa fekau'aki mo e 'alo'i kau ai e lesoni ko eni ko e hoko mai e Misaia 'ia Mele na'e fakafoufounga ka na'e 'ikai 'ai noa'ia pe. Kiate au TAniela 'oku fakapuhopuha'a 'a hono tala 'oku too lalo 'a e fafine 'i he talanoa ni.

'Oku ke malanga he tu'unga 'o ha'a fafine he Kilismasi nela?
loke

[spiu...@bigpond.net.au]

---- Taniela Sila <tanie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> 'E lava nai heni ketau hiki'i e molumalu 'a e kakai fefine mo honau tu'unga he sosaieti...Fefe 'a e totonu 'a e kakai fefine 'oku lolotonga lele holo 'i tonga ni pea mo muli na foki.'Oku 'iai nai ha'ana kaunga kihe lesoni ko 'eni.....KO fe nai e tafa'aki te tau ala fakahoko ai 'a Matiu pea mo 'Aisea...ki'i fakaloloto mai mu'a
>

> Taniela
>------------------------------------------------------------------

Malo Taniela, 'oku ou tui 'oku mama'o 'aupito 'aki e langi ki he fonua 'a e fakakaukau hono hiki'i 'o ha'a fefine mo totonu 'a fafine 'i he talanoa 'o e Kilisimasi, he kuo 'osi fakanofonofo kitautole 'e he 'Otua he fakatupu. Ko e Kilisimasi ko Sisu pe, pea 'oku toki fai ai hono lave'i e founga 'o 'ene ha'u 'o kau ai 'a Mele. Taha e me'aa ko nautolu pe 'oku fatongia 'aki e fa'ele, ko e to e hiki ki fe ?

'ofa kemou ma'u ha kilimasi fiefia.
Sepesi.

[afim...@gmail.com]

ke......post,

Kataki, ko 'eku 'uhinga atu ........... whom she was..........'oku
'ikai keu kau au he 'ai pe na'e 'ulu fefe?, va'e fefe? taupo'ou pe
'ikai 'a Mele etc.(Ko e fakakaukau foki ia 'i ono 'aho 'i mamani kotoa
kau ai mo Tonga ni ko e "'uluaki feitama kotoa ko e feitama ki he 'ene
'uluaki tangata..............".)Pea 'oku 'ikai keu tuku 'eau ki lalo e
kakai fefine fakamolemole ko e me'a 'oku ou mahu'inga 'ia ai au ko e
Tamasi'i 'oku teu 'alo'i he kuo pau ke tauhi ia 'e Mele as every mum
does?

Malo,
007

[Taniela Sila]

'Ikai loke koe feinga pe ia ke fai ha fakaloloto pea kataki pe 'oku 'ikai makatu'unga 'a e malanga ia he kakai fefine 'e base pe he tohitapu. Ka koe'uhi koe sapate ko 'eni koia tene hulu'i e 'aho Tusite. PEa 'oku pehee 'ae fakalanga talanoa hono hanga 'e matiu 'o hunuki mai e fo'i fakakaukau koia kiae kitautolu. 'Oku ne 'uluaki 'omai 'a Siosefa koe tangata angatonu pea ne toki 'omai mo Mele.....kaekehe 'oku fifili foki koe'uhi koe hu'u 'ae talame'a 'a 'Aisea 'oku fakaofo hono contex ia 'o'ona. Koe fifili leva. Ko e ha nai e maama te tau ala faka maama 'aki 'a matiu hono fakahoa kia 'Aisea. Pea koe ha nai ha fo'i kaveinga lelei tene lava 'o hulu'i 'ae fakakaukau?

 
Taniela
 
 
> From: ke...@post.com
> To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:52:08 -0500
> Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Matiu 1:18-25
>
>

[ke...@post.com]

Taniela:

> 'Aisea 'oku fakaofo hono contex ia 'o'ona. Koe fifili leva. Ko e ha
> nai e maama te tau ala faka maama 'aki 'a matiu hono fakahoa kia
> 'Aisea. Pea koe ha nai ha fo'i kaveinga lelei tene lava 'o hulu'i
> 'ae fakakaukau?

---

Kuo maama 'aupito 'a e fakatalanoa kuo fai 'e TV mo veni fekau'aki mo Aisea mo Matiu. Ko e fe fakakaukau ke fakaloloto? 'anenai ne fakatefito 'i he tu'unga 'o fafine, 'i heni 'oku makatu'unga 'ia Aisea mo Matiu pea mo hono kaveinga... eh! Kaekehe, toki 'ai mai 'oka nofo hifo ho fakakaukau. Kapau te ta fakaloloto 'i he tu'unga 'o e kakai fefine pea ko e ki'i kaveinga pe ena: "TAU OO 'O VAKAI E FA'ELE"

[Taniela Sila]

Ketau 'alu kiai he koha kau maki kitautolu.....'eheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
nela

 

> From: ke...@post.com
> To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:11:58 -0500
> Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Matiu 1:18-25
>
>

[tv]

"TAU OO 'O VAKAI E FA'ELE"

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Ma'a lahi, pea fakafiemalie!

[Kolopeaua Tonga]

'Alu mo ha ki'i haka Moa Tonga, NZ, AUS,USA,FJ .......'o vakai 'aki e
fa'ele....koia koa Taniela.

>----------------------------------------------------

>
>"TAU OO 'O VAKAI E FA'ELE"
>-----------
>
>>

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>
>
> "TAU OO 'O VAKAI E FA'ELE"
> -----------
>
> Ma'a lahi, pea fakafiemalie!

........................
 
Ko e kaveinga 'e taha. KO E HA HA'ATA VEIFUA MA'AE FA'ELE?
 
Samiu

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[saimonit...@tti.to]

Malo 'e tau moe feme'a'aki 'i he ope....kae fakakau atu mu'a e ki'i fifili
ko 'eni......

1. Ko Sisu koe hako nai ia 'o Tevita mo Epalahame ????????
(Matiu 1:1-24) 'Oku 'ikai ha fehokotaki toto 'a Sisu mo Siosifa kae nofo
'a e fakamamafa ia 'i he laine 'a Siosifa moe ngaahi kikite kia Sisu, ko
Mele pe 'a 'ene fa'e 'oku na fehokotaki toto (koe tu'itu'ia ki he Laumalie
Ma'oni'oni). Mahalo 'oku fakali'eli'aki 'e Matiu 'a si'i Mele moe
fehokotaki toto......

2. hangehange 'oku nofo 'a e fakamamafa 'a e lesoni ia 'ia Siosifa mo
'ene faitotonu, kae fili ia kene faihala 'o malu'i mo fakalongolongo'i 'a
Mele (mahalo koe tu'utu'uni 'a e Lao fakaSiu ko hono tolomaka'i ha fefine
'ihe toumu'a 'o e fale 'e 'ene tamai 'okapau kuo 'ilotangata kimu'a ha'a
ne ma'u husipaniti,) kai kehe tu'utu'uni atu e angelo kia Siosifa kene
ma'u 'a Mele ko hono uaifi, (toe faingata'a ange fo'i fili ia koia,) he 'e
kei tautea matea ai pe 'a Mele kae tautea mamafa pe 'a Siosifa he'ene fili
kene mali moe fefine kuo ne 'osi 'ilotangata...... ('okapau 'e lea 'a
Siosifa 'o fakaha 'ae tukunga 'oku 'iai 'a Mele, ...ko Sisu 'oku 'ikai ko
hono foha 'i he toto)

koe ngaahi tanaki atu ia ki he fifili 'o e fiema'u ke hakeaki'i 'a si'i
ha'a fefine...

malo

[sfaupula]

malo tevita pea 'oku mahino e talanoa ia. kae tuku ke fai atu ha langa
talanoa ki he virgin birth pea mo 'ene tu'u 'i he ongo talanoa pea mo
ha kaveinga 'e ala fkma'unga ki ai ha tokoni.

ko e context e talanoa 'ia 'aisea 7 ko e hoko 'i he taimi 'o 'ahasi 'a
e 'alu hake 'a silia mo 'isileli ke fai tau kia 'ahasi (tu'i siuta).
ko ia ne 'alu atu ai kia 'ahasi e folofola 'a e 'otua 'ia 'aisea ke
nonga pe ia 'o 'oua 'e hoha'a ki he ongo potu ngau'aafi kohu na v.4
(silia mo 'isileli). 'ikai ko ia pe, ne toe fai atu 'a sihova kia
'ahasi ke ne kole ha "fk'ilonga" ke ne 'ilo ai 'a e taimi 'e hoko hono
laiki 'o silia mo 'isileli. ka ne pehe 'e 'ahasi 'e 'ikai te ne kole
ha fk'ilonga he ko e ala'aki (tesi) ia kia sihova. neongo 'oku ngali
fkpotopoto 'a 'ahasi 'i he 'ene tali, ka 'oku lau ia 'e 'aisea ko e
ta'efalala 'i he 'ene pehe "fale 'o tevita: lau 'e au kuo mou topono
he fkkina'i 'a e kakai, ka te mou fkkina'i hoku 'otua foki?" v.13.
hili ia ne tala 'e 'aisea kia 'ahasi 'e 'atu 'e sihova ha fk'ilonga ki
he hoko 'a e me'a 'oku folofola 'aki 'e sihova 'i he vv.7-8. ko e hoko
atu 'i he vv.15-25 ko e fkmatala ia ki he me'a 'e hoko mai hili 'a e
hoko 'a e fk'ilonga. 'a ia ko e laiki 'o silia mo 'isileli 'e 'asilia.

'oku mahino meihe context koeni ko e 'uhinga 'o e ngaahi me'a 'oku
hoko 'i he veesi 14 ko e fk'ilonga pe 'o e hoko 'a hono laiki 'o e
fili 'o siuta kae fkhaofi ai 'e sihova 'a 'ahasi mo siuta. in that
context, i think this verse became pivotal to matthew's interpretation
of the birth of jesus. 'a ia kia matiu ko e fanau'i 'o sisu 'e he
taaupo'ou ko e fk'ilonga ia 'o e hoko mai 'a e 'otua ke fktau'ataina e
tangata meihe nofo ilifia ki he fili 'oku 'ikai ke ne lava'i, 'o hange
pe ko ia ko e fk'ilonga ne tala kia 'ahasi lolotonga 'ene nofo 'o
teteki ki silia mo 'isileli.

ko e kaveinga: "fiemalie koe" (ko e kananga meihe lolo ko aa!!!)

'a'alo ai pe!!!

sitiveni
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'ia 'aisea 7 ko e fk'ilonga 'a e pau ke hoko e me'a 'oku lea ki ai 'a
sihova 'i he vv.7-8 (fkhaofi 'o 'ahasi mei samelia mo 'isileli 'aki
hono laiki e ongo konga kau koeni) 'oku ha ia 'i he veesi 'oku quote
'e matiu ('aisea 7:14). 'aia ko e fk'ilonga ko e feitama 'a e
taaupo'ou.

[tv]

laku ai pe ki loto e fanga ki'i me'a ni he mafana 'o e ngaahi 'aho.

ko e ta'u 'o Mele & Siosifa (how old were they?).
lahi e ngaahi fakafuofua, ka 'oku mahino mo meimei loto taha, ne na 'i
he ta'u hongofulu-tupu si'i. na kei 'i he vaa'i taimi 'fakama'u', pea
ko e mali 'oku te'eki mahino pe ko e ta'u fe. ko e sio-loto atu pee -
ki'i ta'ahine, 'i he vaa'i ta'u ko eni (10-tupu), te'eki mali,
feitama! pea koe feitama 'i he ki'i kolo si'i 'oku miniti hono 'ilo 'e
he mui'i kolo 'e taha ha m'ea 'oku hoko. malo mo e ongo mai e tohi-
kakai ke afe atu ai e talanoa (mo e hu'uhu'u & lau).

fononga ki Petelihema
ko e donkey ia ko e me'a 'a e kau tu'umalie. ko e 'imisi ia 'oku tau
ma'u meihe ngaahi taa 'oku tufaki holo he taimi kilisimasi - ko e heka
'a Mele he 'asi. Levitiko 'oku talamai ko e lami 'oku fai'aki e
feilaulau fakamalo 'o e fa'ele, pea ka 'ikai ha lami ta'u 1, pea 'ai
pee ha lupe (pigeon/doves). 'oku talamai 'e Luke na'e 'ikai ko e lami,
ka ko e (poor offerings) manupuna ne fai'aki e feilaulau fakafeta'i
'oe tama. ne 'i ai nai ha 'asi 'a e ongo ki'i matu'a masiva ni ke
fai'aki e fu'u fononga mama'o ni? maile 80 (by air) pea liunga ua ka
fononga lalo.
toki fu'u lahi hake tamaa ia 'o tala ne 'i ai e "samaletani lelei", ka
ne hala'ataa ha samale lelei ia he taimi ko eni. ko e fetu'usi ne
malohi fau he vaa 'o e Siu & Samelia, pea koe fo'i fononga koeni ne
fou atu he fonua mo e hala mo e nofo'anga 'o e kau Samelia.

ko e fale-tali fononga?
ko e lea 'oku ngaue'aki ki he "inn", 'i he talanoa 'alo'i 'oku
fakatonulea'i mei he lea 'oku ngaue'aki ki he "guest-room" - ko e loki
'i ha 'api ki ha taha 'a'ahi. ko e fale 'o e siu he taimi ko eni ne
nau vahe'i ai e konga ke si'i tanaki mai ki ai 'enau fanga monumanu
(hufanga atu), tautefito ki he taimi 'ea kovi. ke nau po'uli fakataha
pee, ke malu'i mei he kau kaiha'aa pea 'ikai ngata ai ka 'oku hoko e
fakamonumanu ke fakamafana ki he fale. ka ne lahi e ngaahi nofo'anga
ne langa fakapipiki ki ha ki'i 'ana (caves), 'a ia ko e konga hangee
ha 'ana ne ngaue'aki ki he fanga monumanu. 'oku 'ai ai pee mo honau
kai'anga he konga e fale 'oku nau mohe ai.
ngalingali ne 'ikai ha tama tali-fononga (Inkeeper) he na'e 'ikai ha
fale-tali fononga, pea ko Petelihema ko e ki'i meme'i kolo, ko hai ia
'e fakalele motele ai? ngali ne tuki atu 'a Siosifa he 'api hono
kainga, ka kuo na tomui atu kuo 'i ai e taha ia he loki-kihe-'a'ahi
(guest-room), pea na afe hifo ai pee ki he konga e fale-nofo'anga 'oku
ngaue'aki ki hono fakamohe ai e fanga-monumanu.

"Vakai e fa'ele"
Mo'oni e kananga 'a e kau faiakava 'i Suva " ... maaaannn ... no
wonder ...". Taane'ine'i ke kamata pee 'angelo mo e lea - " .. .'oua
teke manavahee ...". ki'i ta'ahine, te'eki mali, feitama?; ki'i
tangata fai ma'oni'oni kuo feitama e ki'i ta'ahine ia 'oku polo'i ke
na mali, pea 'ikai ko e feitama mai ki ai? ta'ota'o atu mo e ngaahi
faingata'a 'oku kamata ke mahino mai he sio-loto atu ki he me'a ne na
fekuki mo ia?
mahalo ne piki e ongomatu'a ni ki he le'o 'o e 'angelo he mahina 'e
hiva ko eni kuo toki maliu atu he na'e 'ikai faingofua fau. mahalo
'oku 'ikai ke tau fa'a 'ohake e "manavahee" 'o fakapipiki ki he
kilisimasi ka kuo te sio-loto atu ki he 'uluaki kilisimasi mo 'ene
fonu he "manavahee". mahalo na'a ko e palatimi ia 'o e mo'ui ko e 'alu
'o vakai e fa'ele ke te lave he sipinga 'o e piki ki he le'o 'o e
'angelo kilisimasi 'i he uhouhonga 'o e mamani fonu manavahee ni.

[tv]

'oku mahino ange hono fakamatala'i pehe ni, pea ko e fiemalie ia! he
ko e tafa'aki 'o e ta'efiemalie ko e literalist. malo e fakamatala
mahino mo e tokoni.

[tv]

On Dec 20, 1:30 am, saimonita.pao...@tti.to wrote:
> Malo 'e tau moe feme'a'aki 'i he ope....kae fakakau atu mu'a e ki'i fifili
> ko 'eni......
>
> 1. Ko Sisu koe hako nai ia 'o Tevita mo Epalahame ????????
> (Matiu 1:1-24) 'Oku 'ikai ha fehokotaki toto 'a Sisu mo Siosifa kae nofo
> 'a e fakamamafa ia 'i he laine 'a Siosifa moe ngaahi kikite kia Sisu, ko
> Mele pe 'a 'ene fa'e 'oku na fehokotaki toto (koe tu'itu'ia ki he Laumalie
> Ma'oni'oni). Mahalo 'oku fakali'eli'aki 'e Matiu 'a si'i Mele moe
> fehokotaki toto......

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malie a 'asi hake 'a eni.

'oku 'i ai e pehee ia ki he "fa'ele taupo'ou", ko hono fokotu'utu'u ke
fakasino 'aki e 'uhinga faka-teolosia 'a Matiu (a construct to make a
theological point - hangee ko e laine 'oku fakamatala mei ai 'a
sfaupula), he 'oku ki'i avaava mo faingata'a'ia faka-hisitolia (eg,
Herod & Quirinuis).

ka 'i he tafa'aki 'e taha; 'oku pehee 'oku hanga 'e Luke 'o fakahohoko
'a Mele kia Tevita! He 'oku ngalingali ko Sekonaia(?) ne fakangata ai
e laine 'o Tevita (Selemaia 22:30).

'oku tatau pee 'a Matiu & Luke 'o a'u kia Tevita, ka 'oku na kehekehe
leva he hifo 'a Matiu 'ia Solomone kia Siosifa - foha 'uluaki 'o
Patisepa, ka e hifo 'a Luke 'ia Netane ko e foha ua 'o Patisepa kia
Mele.

ko e laku ai pee ki loto

[ke...@post.com]

> Mahalo 'oku fakali'eli'aki 'e Matiu 'a si'i Mele moe
> fehokotaki toto......

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Ka faitalanoa ha taha ki he fangota, pea 'oku nofo pe 'a 'ene fakatalanoa ki hono ngaahi naunau pea mo ngatai pea ka ne ka fakalave ha'ane heka vakapuna pea 'e 'ikai nofo'i ki ai he 'oku taumu'a 'ene fakatalanoa 'aana ki he fangota. Pea ko e fifili ni 'oku hange ia hano fehu'ia e tangata faitalanoa koe'uhi ko 'ikai nofo'i ke talanoa ki he'ene heka vakapuna. Pe 'e fefe hano fakamaau'i 'a e faitalanoa koe'uhi ko 'ene tokanga ange 'aana ke talanoa ki he fangota (tefito'i fakatalanoa)kae 'ikai ke tokanga ke talanoa'i e heka vakapuna. Ko e 'ikai nofo'i hifo e faitalanoa ke fakamamafa ki he heka vakapuna 'oku 'ikai 'uhinga ia kuo holo ai e mahu'inga 'o e vakapuna, pe ta'emahu'inga ai e vakapuna (hange ko e fakakaukau 'o e fifili)(... pe 'ikai?) ka 'oku nofo ki he fangota he ko 'ene tefito'i fakatalanoa.'E tokoni 'a e fakatalanoa 'a TV ke tali e fifili he 'oku ne lave ki he tokotaha faitalanoa 'oku fakamamafa kia Mele, pea ko toki taimi ia 'o e talanoa vakapuna. Ki'i tokotokolahi tama e kau kuikui 'i he taimi 'oku lave ai e talanoa ki he vakapuna... faka'ofa!

loke

[sami]

 Loke:

Kapau te ta fakaloloto 'i he tu'unga 'o e kakai fefine pea ko e ki'i kaveinga pe ena: "TAU OO 'O VAKAI E FA'ELE"

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ma'a lahi e kaveinga koia, fe'unga moe "talanoa 'oe 'aho" 'alo'ii , koe talanoa kihe Fa'ee ne fa'ele,,, pea toki fai ai hono fakakakato 'aki, 'ae ngaahi puipuitu'a, Koe tama na'e fa'ele'I koe "tamasi'ii 'Otua ,, moe ha fuaa,, kau ai moe fangaki'ii fehu'ii mahino pe ka tene 'omai 'ae ngaahi malie makehe 'oe talanoa ni, poupou atu kihe fakakaukau Loke,,,he'e mahino kihe Fanau moe kakailahi fakatou'osi... >>Ne fefee e fa'ele ? 'oku na mo'ui lelei pe ?  ..

 

Koe tanaki atu pe 'eni ia, kihe mahu'inga 'oe Xmas , 'ihe Fakakaukau 'oe "VEESI 23: “Vakai, e feitama ha tapo’ou pea tene ‘alo’I ha tama pea tenau Fakahingoa ia ko “IMANUELA” ‘aia kohono ‘uhinga ‘oku “IATE KITAUTOLU ‘AE ‘OTUA”..

 

Koe talanoa ‘oe xmas koe talanoa ‘o uki ke TAU OO ‘O VAKAI ‘AE FA’ELE” mo tau siotonu ai kihe  “””OTUA”” ‘OKU ‘IATE KITAUTOLU..

 

Loke kuou fakakaukau, kuou lauisenituli e fakamanatu ‘oe xmas,,, ka ‘oku te’eki p eke fai ha ‘oo ‘o vakai,,, ke fai ha sio tonu kihe tamasi’ii ‘Otua…

 

Kapau ‘e fai ha fakamamafa he  “IMANUELA” , mohono fotunga , moe ‘uhinga hono ‘alo’ii mai, pea kuou tui koe “Talanoa Fungani ia ‘oe Xmas,, Koe oo ‘o vakai e fa’ele, pea lava ai ke tau ‘ilo, pe kohai koaa ia…….

 

Koe kaunoa ‘iaa, pe…….

 

Sami.

 

 

[PIUKALA]

 

On Behalf Of Samiuela Taungakava
 

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>
> "TAU OO 'O VAKAI E FA'ELE"
> -----------
>
> Ma'a lahi, pea fakafiemalie!
........................
 
Ko e kaveinga 'e taha. KO E HA HA'ATA VEIFUA MA'AE FA'ELE?
 
Samiu

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Ø       tanaki atu mo hano “ Pae”.

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[vaohi...@aol.com]

ko e sio-loto atu pee -
ki'i ta'ahine, 'i he vaa'i ta'u ko eni (10-tupu), te'eki mali,
feitama!

"Vakai e fa'ele"
Mo'oni e kananga 'a e kau faiakava 'i Suva " ... maaaannn ... no
wonder ...". Taane'ine'i ke kamata pee 'angelo mo e lea - " .. .'oua
teke manavahee ...".

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Pea 'oku obvious scientifically that a virgin could not have children....and everyone knows that old women do not bear children....so upon whom did the Lord call to bear Abraham's birthright son? Sarah at age ninety when told this was to be, she asked a very logic question, ''Shall I (which am old) of a surety bear a child? (Gen 18:13). From Heaven came this reply: ''IS ANYTHING TOO HARD FOR THE LORD'' (Gen 18:14)

Koe tulituli mai 'eni he malie e talanoa kau toki foki mai... teu lele kihe sopingi na'a 'osi e turkey....

petani

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koe ngaahi tanaki atu ia ki he fifili 'o e fiema'u ke hakeaki'i 'a
si'i ha'a fefine...
malo

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Fakatautau ai leva e kilisimasi 'o e 2007 pea hangee koe langa e
tepile ki ha okooko mei ha'a fefine. Laku atu ai leva ki loto e
toetoenga ni, pea 'oku 'ikai kovi ia ke toe laku pe ia ki tu'a.

Pe 'oku tau fa'a fakatokanga'i ko e kau fefine 'e nima 'oku 'i he
hohoko 'a Matiu, pea 'oku tau fakatokanga'i nai mo e honau ngaahi
hisitolia/kuohili? .... uummmm.

'Uluaki ko Tema, pea 'oku tau 'ilo ko e fefine eni ne mali ki he ongo
foha 'o Siuta. Mate 'ulaki toe mali ki he 2, mate mo ia. Pehee 'e
Siuta ke ta'ofi e fika tolu na'a ko e fefine ni 'oku angakehe. Fkpuli
e fefine ko e lalekini, pea feitama, 'ita lahi 'a Siuta ko e ngali
'ikai anganofo e fefine ni. Tala 'ehe fefine ko 'ene feitama ki ai,
pea kaila ai 'a Siuta .... 'oku angama'a ange fefine 'iate ia!

'Alu hifo ai pee 'o 'asi 'a Lehapi! Ko e fefine 'oku tau lau ko e
fe'auki na'a ne fufuu e kau tama 'Isileli he 'ohofi 'o Seliko.

'Asi hake mo Lute! Mali mo Poasi "... 'a ia ko 'ene fa'ee 'a Lehapi"!
Ko Lute ko e muli (Moape), pea ko mali ki ha taha 'oku 'ikai ko ha Siu
ne 'ikai ko ha me'a sai ia he nofo fk-Siu. Mate 'a Poasi pea 'oku 'i
ai e fo'i fifili malie ne 'ohake 'e scholar Hepelu; ko e tangi muimui
mo e tukupaa 'a Lute na'e fai ia ki he fefine!

A'u mai kia Kingi Tevita!
Pehee mai leva 'a Matiu ko Solomone " ... 'a ia ko 'ene fa'ee 'a e
fefine na'e nonofo mo Ulaia" - 'a Patisepa! 'A Patisepa ne vivili ke
hoko 'a e taloni 'ia Solomone.

Pea ko eni 'oku hoko mai kia Mele - "ko Siosifa 'a ia ko e husepaniti
'o Mele". 'A Mele ne faitama ta'emali!

Ngali mo'oni e kananga - ko e ngaahi kuohili 'o e kau fefine ni 'oku
fakalanga lea! Neongo 'oku ngali to'oto'o konga lalahi pee 'a Matiu
mei he ta'u ee 'e afe-tupu 'o e hohoko, ka ko e haa nai ne ne 'ohake
ai e hingoa 'o si'i kau fefine pe ko eni.

Mo'oni pe ia ko e tukufakaholo faka-peteliake 'e mohenga mei ai 'a e
talanoa ni, ka 'oku 'ikai tuku ai e fifili'i 'o e kuohili e kau fefine
ni. Kaekehe neongo ko e kau fefine 'oku ngali fihi mo nenefu honau
kuohili, ka ne 'ikai kinautolu he'ikai ha Sisu. Ko e hako 'o e kau
fefine ni 'a Sisu ko hotau fakamo'ui! (Or so the Bible says!)

[Lousiale Uasike]

tv <mani...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: . . . Ngali mo'oni e kananga - ko e ngaahi kuohili 'o e kau fefine ni 'oku fakalanga lea! . . . Mo'oni pe ia ko e tukufakaholo faka-peteliake 'e mohenga mei ai 'a e talanoa ni, ka 'oku 'ikai tuku ai e fifili'i 'o e kuohili e kau fefine ni.

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Fiema'u 'aupito tv 'a e fifili'i ko ia si'i kau fefine - na'a ko e tukufakaholo faka-peteliaki 'oku fakalanga lea! He ko e siofi 'aki 'a e kau fefine 'a e sio'ata 'o e peteliaki, kovi e loi 'a e 'ikai ha lelei ia 'o e kau fefine. KA ko hano toe fulifulihi e taisi 'oku mo'ui mo ngaue ai 'a e kau fefine - pea mo'oni e palofita, "fakamanava hake! . . . fakamanavahake!" si'i kau fefine.

 

Ko e kamosi atu pe 'a e kau peteliake mo 'enau tukufakaholo 'oku fakamate ke ue'i ke fakamo'ui ma'a ha'a fafine. Tulou pea malo e faka'atu'i. Ke mou kilisimasi fiefia. lou.

 

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[sami]

 

Na’e huu mai kihe fale neu nofo ai he 1992  ‘I Hornsby ha kau ‘a’ahi meihe Kau Fakamo’ooni o Sihova koaa,,pea neu talitali lelei kianutolu,, ka ne iku ‘ou tuli kinautolu kitu’a… Tokua ko’enau pehee , “OKU KEI LANU ‘ULI’ULI PE ‘A MAMANI , KOE NGAUE ‘A  ‘ATAMA MO ‘IVI … neu fehu’ii kihe kau tama ni p e ‘oku toe ‘iai ha talanoa kehe temau hoko kiai pe ikai, pea nau talamai ,temau nofo pe ia ‘Atama koe ‘uhi he na’e kovi ‘ene me’a na’e fai…..

 

Na’aku talaange leva,,,kuo fe’unga ‘etau potalanoa,,, ka nau vakai atu kiha kaunga’api,,,pea nau pehe pe koe haa ? peau talaange “ koe haa ‘oku tau nofo ai ke lea kia ‘Atama,, taut aha lea pe ‘ihe ‘ene me’a pe koe lea kia ‘Atama he ‘oku lea mai ‘a ‘Atama ki ho’o mou me’a “…

 

‘oku hange katautoe hee meihe kaveinga ‘oe xmas koe toew fifilii ‘a Mele , Koe ha ‘oku fifili’ii ai ‘ae Kau fefine ? koe ha hono mahu’inga ? koe ha hono ‘aonga ?..koe talanoa ‘oe xmas koe talanoa ‘o “IMANUELA” ,,pea ‘osi,,,’oku ‘ikai koe talanoa ‘oe fehu’ia moe veiveiua he ‘oku ‘ikai maa’usia ‘eho tau ‘atamai ‘ae finangalo ‘oe ‘Otua… Kuou tui kapau na’e kei mo’ui mai ‘a Mele,,,, ‘e pehee mai ‘a Mele “ ‘eiiiiiiii, takitaha lea ‘ihe’en me’a pe koe lea mai kihe’eku me’a he kuo lea atu kiho’omou me’a……..

 

Koe popoaki ‘oe xmas koe “takitaaha lea ‘ihe ‘ene me’a” ;;;; ‘o tau takitaha tauhi ke ma’u hotaungaahi vaha’angatae,, hei’ilo na’a hoko ai ha Fefine ke fa’ee kiai ha hau , pe koha tanangta koha “ koeli” ia ‘oe fononga ‘anga….. ‘oku ‘ikai koe xmas, koe ‘ata ‘oe veiveiua moe fakamahamahalo ka koe ‘ata ‘oe “FAKA’AMANAKI “ kuo hifo , hifo he fefine ne angamaopo, mo maau, kene kofukofu’ii mo hapai ‘ae tamasi’ii ‘Otua, koia ‘ae fenapasi’anga ‘o mamani mo hevani , ‘ae fehokotaki’anga  e negative moe positive, pea hoko ia koe maama ‘o mamani “ Koe ongoongo lelei kuo hiva mai ‘aki ‘ehe kau ‘angela , “kuo ‘ii mamani ‘ae melino “

 

Koe takitaha le’a ‘ihe ‘ene me’a “ koe fakatupu’anga melino ia “ ko ‘Imanuela IAA “ pea heikai toe ‘iai ha veiveiua moha fakamahamahalo “katau lea taha kotoa pe “ koe melino ‘eni kuo ‘iate kitautolu [imanuela]

 

“tau lea taha kotoa pe “merry xmas”

 

sami

 

 

 

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malo Sami e lea ho'o me'a! kataki ka 'oku 'i ai ha lea 'ia Mele ko e
fifili'i pee 'eku me'a! 'io ko e lea he Tohitapu he ko 'etau me' a
kotoa.

Kapau ko e lea atu ka koe pea ke tuli si'i kau Fakamo'oni Sihova. ka
ko e me'aa he ko 'etau lea pee ki he Tohitapu pea ko e lea ia ki he
me'a 'oku 'ikai ko ha me'a 'a ha taha pee!

Kaikehe, ko e link ena ko e fakamafana atu. Ne forward mai 'e hoko
kaungaame'a, he 'oku 'ikai 'ai kaati kilisimasi ia, talamai ko 'eku
kaati ia, pea neongo pee ko 'ene 'omai ko 'eku me'a ka 'oku ou loto ke
vahevahe mo kimoutolu kotoa. mo'oni e lau 'a 007 - ke tau me'a taha
pee! pea kuo ha e merry christmas ia! talk about taking the "christ"
out of christmas!


http://youtube.com/watch?v=zCdZwitrNoY

A remarkable phone call from
a 12-yr old boy to Houston radio station KSBJ FM 89.3.

So profound, the station has it posted on their website.

Click above to listen to it. It's short. (make sure to turn the
speaker on)

On Dec 24, 12:17 am, "sami" <samip...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> Na'e huu mai kihe fale neu nofo ai he 1992 'I Hornsby ha kau 'a'ahi meihe
> Kau Fakamo'ooni o Sihova koaa,,pea neu talitali lelei kianutolu,, ka ne iku

> 'ou tuli kinautolu kitu'a. Tokua ko'enau pehee , "OKU KEI LANU 'ULI'ULI PE
> 'A MAMANI , KOE NGAUE 'A 'ATAMA MO 'IVI . neu fehu'ii kihe kau tama ni p e

> 'oku toe 'iai ha talanoa kehe temau hoko kiai pe ikai, pea nau talamai

> ,temau nofo pe ia 'Atama koe 'uhi he na'e kovi 'ene me'a na'e fai...

>
> Na'aku talaange leva,,,kuo fe'unga 'etau potalanoa,,, ka nau vakai atu kiha
> kaunga'api,,,pea nau pehe pe koe haa ? peau talaange " koe haa 'oku tau nofo
> ai ke lea kia 'Atama,, taut aha lea pe 'ihe 'ene me'a pe koe lea kia 'Atama

> he 'oku lea mai 'a 'Atama ki ho'o mou me'a ".
>
> 'oku hange katautoe hee meihe kaveinga 'oe xmas koe toew fifilii 'a Mele ,

> Koe ha 'oku fifili'ii ai 'ae Kau fefine ? koe ha hono mahu'inga ? koe ha
> hono 'aonga ?..koe talanoa 'oe xmas koe talanoa 'o "IMANUELA" ,,pea
> 'osi,,,'oku 'ikai koe talanoa 'oe fehu'ia moe veiveiua he 'oku 'ikai

> maa'usia 'eho tau 'atamai 'ae finangalo 'oe 'Otua. Kuou tui kapau na'e kei

> mo'ui mai 'a Mele,,,, 'e pehee mai 'a Mele " 'eiiiiiiii, takitaha lea

> 'ihe'en me'a pe koe lea mai kihe'eku me'a he kuo lea atu kiho'omou me'a....

>
> Koe popoaki 'oe xmas koe "takitaaha lea 'ihe 'ene me'a" ;;;; 'o tau takitaha
> tauhi ke ma'u hotaungaahi vaha'angatae,, hei'ilo na'a hoko ai ha Fefine ke

> fa'ee kiai ha hau , pe koha tanangta koha " koeli" ia 'oe fononga 'anga...
> 'oku 'ikai koe xmas, koe 'ata 'oe veiveiua moe fakamahamahalo ka koe 'ata

> 'oe "FAKA'AMANAKI " kuo hifo , hifo he fefine ne angamaopo, mo maau, kene
> kofukofu'ii mo hapai 'ae tamasi'ii 'Otua, koia 'ae fenapasi'anga 'o mamani
> mo hevani , 'ae fehokotaki'anga e negative moe positive, pea hoko ia koe
> maama 'o mamani " Koe ongoongo lelei kuo hiva mai 'aki 'ehe kau 'angela ,
> "kuo 'ii mamani 'ae melino "
>
> Koe takitaha le'a 'ihe 'ene me'a " koe fakatupu'anga melino ia " ko
> 'Imanuela IAA " pea heikai toe 'iai ha veiveiua moha fakamahamahalo "katau
> lea taha kotoa pe " koe melino 'eni kuo 'iate kitautolu [imanuela]
>
> "tau lea taha kotoa pe "merry xmas"
>
> sami
>
> _____
>

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manini:

ka ne 'ikai kinautolu he'ikai ha Sisu. Ko e hako 'o e kau
fefine ni 'a Sisu ko hotau fakamo'ui! (Or so the Bible says!)

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Koe muimui atu aipe he talanoa malie 'o Mele.....

Hangee kiate au na'e 'osi hint (allusion) pe 'a Mele mei he kamata'anga (early scriptual) - Gene 3:15....'oku toki hoko mai kihe Fuakava fo'ou....and now it is our custom and our practice to read in Luke and in Matthew the accounts that attended Christ's coming to earth. These are historical events. Woven into them is some expression of the doctrine that is involved but the historical events are of lesser import. It is the doctrine that is of transcendent value and worth to us, out of it comes the great blessings. How glorious it is that Christ was born into the world as the Son of God.

''Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women … for thou hast found favour with God.

Mary was given the unique privilege and responsibility of bringing the great Jehovah into the world, in which he would obtain a body of flesh and bones, experience mortality, and continue his mission for the redemption of mankind.  

A few days later, when visiting her cousin Elisabeth (who was soon to become the mother of John the Baptist), 

''My soul doth magnify the Lord,

''And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Mary said

''For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Mary’s words reveal her character and her knowledge of Israel’s history. Mention of ''low estate'' probably has reference to the humble circumstances of her life. Although she and Joseph were heirs to the throne of Israel, they were not privileged to exercise that honor, and Joseph was apparently not a man of wealth or political status.

We wonder how much the Spirit had whispered in her early years.Mary would not have been worthy to bear the Son of God and give him a body of flesh and blood unless she was clean and pure in mortal life. When we consider the strong influence that a mother has on the personality and attitude of a young child in the home, we sense the responsibility that our Heavenly Father gave Mary by entrusting her with the rearing of his chosen and Beloved Son.

Paul made it clear that Jesus was of royal blood in his earthly lineage. To the Roman saints he wrote: ''Jesus Christ our Lord was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.'' (Loma 1:3) And to Timothy he said: ''Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead.'' (2 Tim :2:8 , also Act.13: 22-23 and Act 2:30)

But when the time drew near for the advent of the Only Begotten, Mary was born at the right time, in the right place, and in the precise lineage whereby she could fulfill her mission.

 

From His Heavenly Father, Jesus inherited His potential for immortality and eternal life. From His mother, Jesus inherited mortality and the potential for death (Mark 6:3). Prior to His Crucifixion, He spoke these words of clarification:

''I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

''No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This  have I received of my Father''.(Sione 10 :17-18)

Jesus was born to be Savior and Redeemer of all mankind ( Isa 49:26)

We happen to live in a very perilous, treacherous era of the earth's history-an era when iniquity abounds, when the love that men should have for God has waxed cold in the hearts of people generally.

''The Great Provider declared Himself to be the ''bread of life.'' (Sione 6 :48)..He chose to be born in Bethlehem??Why Bethlehem?

Is there symbolic significance in the meaning of the name Bethlehem which in Hebrew means

''house of bread''

How appropriate it was that He, the ''bread of life,'' was to come from the ''house of bread.''

But why among the animals?? He, whom John declared to be the ''Lamb of God'' (Sione 1:29), was born during the season of Passover amongst the animals, as were other lambs being prepared for Paschal sacrifice.

At the birth of Him who is called the ''good shepherd'' (Sione 10:14), shepherds were the first to receive the announcement of His holy birth (Luke 2: 8-16).

 

At the birth of Him who once identified Himself as the ''bright and morning star'' (Rev 2:16), a new star appeared in the heavens (Mat.2:2).. Shining brightly over Bethlehem, that star had been placed in orbit far in advance of the foretold event in order that its light could coincide in time and place with His blessed birth.

 

At the arrival of Him who is called ''the light of the world'' (Sione 8:12), darkness was banished as a sign of His holy birth. He was born the Son of God and the son of a virgin mother, as foretold by Isaiah (Isa 7:14).
 

But He didn't stay in the spiritual darkness of Egypt very long. As a child, the Savior was brought to the village of Nazareth. Why Nazareth? Again, to fulfill prophecy. Jeremiah foretold:

''Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper.” (Jer 23 : 5)....

The human family could be saved in no other way. Only the Lord himself, by coming into mortality, partaking of the nature of man, living a sinless life, atoning with his blood for the sins of men, dying, and rising from the dead with his physical body could bring about redemption.

Luke 1: 80 - And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.

Luke 2:19 - But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.

I am confident enough to say: ''As There is one Christ, As There is one Mary.''

May the wondrous Spirit of Christmas bring Peace and Happiness to our heart not only for this season but for all season...

'ofa lahi atu kihe ngaahi kupu hono kotoa....

petani

[fusi mapuhoi `a tevolo]

 laku ai pe ki loto e fanga ki'i me'a ni he mafana 'o e ngaahi 'aho.
 
ko e ta'u 'o Mele & Siosifa (how old were they?). lahi e ngaahi fakafuofua, ka 'oku mahino mo meimei loto taha, ne na 'i he ta'u hongofulu-tupu si'i. na kei 'i he vaa'i taimi 'fakama'u', pea ko e mali 'oku te'eki mahino pe ko e ta'u fe. ko e sio-loto atu pee -
ki'i ta'ahine, 'i he vaa'i ta'u ko eni (10-tupu), te'eki mali, feitama! pea koe feitama 'i he ki'i kolo si'i 'oku miniti hono 'ilo 'e he mui'i kolo 'e taha ha m'ea 'oku hoko. malo mo e ongo mai e tohi- kakai ke afe atu ai e talanoa (mo e hu'uhu'u & lau).

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malo TV ee huluhulu... 'oku sai pe ke ma'u ha'atau fkfuofua ai... he fu'u 'ofa faufaua pehee 'a siosifaa 'ia Mele? mahalo pe ko e ki'i ta'ahine ni ne "model" honau taimi?, 'i hono fu'u 'ofa'i peehe'i... fktatau ki he kau "celebrity"'o e ngaahi 'aho ni...
 
ko e fkmahalo atu pe, moe teu ee manga ki he 2008,
 
Mapuhoi 'a Tevolo.