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Heheeee Tevita….kuo sio fkmata’I ‘ikale mai ia he taimi ni…….pea kuo me’a pe ‘I ‘olunga……..kuo ‘ikai toe lava ‘e ia ‘a e lue………mamani na’e ta’e’iloa eee…….pehe ‘e au koau pe na’e ngalo pea ‘oku ki’I sai pe ko ‘eku nofovao……ka ko e toe ‘ela mu’a ‘a e kau Matamata, Chch, Dunedin……..hoiiii eee
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From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of seni taniela
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 4:11 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: [tasilisili] Poupou 'ae Uniting Justice (UCA)ki he Mali Fakasotoma.
Lone ‘oku ‘ikai ke u fakalotolahii ‘a takamuli he ‘oku lolotonga lotolahi pee ‘a takamuli ia ha ha ha ; na’e ‘osi pehee mai pee ‘a takamuli ia ‘e mavahe ia ha ha ha
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saikolone Taufa
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 3:55 p.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [tasilisili] Poupou 'ae Uniting Justice (UCA)ki he Mali Fakasotoma.
Pope 'oua teke fa'a fakalotolahi'i e Takamuli ke poupou'i e me'a 'oku hala.
SH 'oku 'ikai ke fu'u mahino kiate au, pe koe ha koaa 'ae palopalema 'oe kautama ni mo ha taha 'oku gay be lesbian pea 'oku loto ke faifekau. 'Oku ou kau au he tokosi'i heni 'oku ou poupou kakato ki he 'oange ha faingamalie 'o kinautolu 'oku gay pe lesbian ki he fatongia fakafaiefekauu. Koe ngaahi fu'u baggage ko'eni 'oku 'uhinga ai 'a hono ta'etali 'ehe ni'ihi 'ae gay moe lesbian 'oku ou tui koe ngaahi grievances fakafo'ituitui ia pea 'oku totonu ke 'oange hano faingamalie 'ona ke heal mo recover (kapau 'oku nau loto kiai). Fakalotolahi'i ho foha ke muimui'i 'ene vision pea mo hono ui ke faifekau, pea ka 'ikai pea fekau ke ha'u ia ki heni kema poupou'i 'e au ke 'alu ia 'o fai 'ae ngaue fakafaifekau 'oku ui kiai 'ehe 'Eikii.
Kakai mou 'ofa mai aa 'o sio 'aki 'ae mata 'aee 'oku 'afio mai 'aki 'ehe 'Otuaa kiate kitautoluu - kohono ngaahi 'ofa'anga kotoa pe kitautolu 'o tatau ai pe nothing less nothing more just beloved - moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone
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Kou pehe tifnau ko e fale’i mahu’inga eni ‘oku ke fakahokoo kae tautautefito ki hoo ngaue’aki ‘a ho’o a’usia henii. Eg. Ako he motu’a moaa; ‘E ‘iai e ‘aho ko e me’a kuo tau tui ki aii ‘e faka’ikai’i ia ‘e he ‘etau fanauu ‘o hangtoee pee ko ia ‘oku hoko he ‘aho ni; ka kou tokanga atu ki hono uesia e mo’ui faka’ekonomika, fakasosiale e ngaahi familii
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tevita Finau
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 2:40 p.m.
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Malo Tevita e poupou pea mo hono to e tokanga’i mai ‘a e faka’anaua ‘a e fanau. Mahalo pe ko e kehekehe ‘a e taimi ‘oku tau fetaulaki ai mo e ngaahi ta’au ‘o e ngaahi peau ‘o taimi. Ka ko e kiki pe foki ia ‘o e fononga’anga ‘o fktatau ki he afo pea mo e tuku’au mei he ngoue kakala……Mahalo pe he’ikai ke tau lava ke fk’ata’ataa kitautolu mei ai……he koia hotau tala tukufkholo……Ka ko e ivi FkPenitekosi ‘a e Laumalie ‘o e Taukapo koia te ne fai ‘a e fkfo’ou……Kapau kuo ngalo koe Tevita pea mo Au he taimi ni…….’osi ‘eku tumu, he vave pehee ‘a e tali lotu…..Ma’u
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tevita Finau
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 11:31 p.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Poupou 'ae Uniting Justice (UCA)ki he Mali Fakasotoma.
'Io mo'oni a koe SH pea fakamolemole atu. Na'e mei lava pe 'o li'aki kapau ko ha fatongia ki Hihifo ee, ka ko e fatongia ki he kau Lolo. Fakamolemole atu Mulikitonga. Mahalo au Ma'u te ta toki fakataha kia Lone mo e foha 'o SH 'o toki ma'u ai 'a sh mo ha hefa ee!!!!
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Kau tangata - na'a ko e taimi eni ke fai ai 'etau fanga ki'i uike lotu - taki taha uki atu pe hono fai'angalotu ke tau huufia si'i faingata'a ko eni kuo toki a'u kiai e lotofale 'o si'otau kaina koee.
Ko e ten million question leva kiate koe mo auu " Ko e angahala nai e mohe a e tangata mo e tangataa fefine fefinee o tatau ai pee kapau e fakamali'i kinaua pe ikai?
malo mu'a e potalanoa pea 'oku kau 'a e isiu ko eni 'i he 'isiu 'oku ongo vevela hono potalanoa'i pea 'asili ai ko e taha pe 'a e tohitapu 'oku ngaue'aki 'e he ongo kauhala ke taukave'i'aki 'a e takitaha tu'uaki. Ko e fehu'i mo'oni kuo ke tuku mai Seni pea 'oku mo'oni pe 'ene ten million dollar question ka 'oku ou kole ke mono atu aipe mu'a mo 'eku fie'ilo ke kau atu ho'omou potalanoa....'e kau nai 'a e biological, psychological moe spiritual makeup and complexities 'o ha tokotaha ki hono define 'a e 'tangata' pe 'fefine' 'o e tokotaha ko ia? pe 'oku faka'uhinga'aki pe 'a e physical anatomy?Ko kinautolu 'oku colorblind, ko e hinehina pe moe 'uli'uli 'oku nau vakai ki ai, Ka kia kitautolu 'oku 'ikai colorblind lava pe ke tau vakai ki he gray area pea ko e gray area eni 'oku fai ai e taufangatua.....tniu
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Malie lahi e fehu’ii tiniu pea hangee ko e fehu’i kuo fai ‘e fatai kia lone...ko ‘ekku fifilii ‘e hoko nai ‘a e ouau ‘o e mohee ko e me’afua ia ki he taau ‘a e gay/’ikai ke gay ki he tu’unga faifekauu? Te tau ta’etali ‘a e ouau ‘a e gay koe’uhii he na’e ‘ikai ke tau sio ai ‘i he ‘etau tupu hake pea tau fakalili’a ki ai? Fefee e kau gay mo ‘enau ongoo kapau na’e ‘ikai kenau loto ki aii ka ‘oku nau fehi’a pee kinautolu ki he feohi ‘a ee ‘oku tali ‘e kitautolu ‘oku ‘ikai ke gay. Kuo lahi e ngaahi famili ia kuo movete pea ‘ikai ke ngaue koe’uhii pee ko e toki ‘ilo ‘ehe tamai pee ko e uaifi ‘oku gay ia. Te tau fakakuikui pee ki ai.? Kaekehe ko e ngaahi fehu’i ia ‘oku ou tui te tau fai ‘etau e talii ‘o fakatatau ki he ‘etau mahino mo ‘etau tui ‘i he ‘etau faka’uhinga’i ‘a e ngaahi ma’unga tala eg.tohitapu/otua kae fefee nai e faka’uhinga moe tali ‘a e ‘otua ‘i he ‘otua ‘iate ia pee ‘a ee ‘oku ‘ikai ke tau a’usiaa? Koe faofao pee tniu.
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Ma’u koehaa fuaa koaa ho’o hanu??? Manatu’i teke kei mu’omu’a pee koe ki he finemotu’a ho tuofefine ‘oku takaifala mai kia auu...nake ‘osi ‘ilo pee ho’o fuu tepile mu’a ki mu’a atuu he ongo matu’aa kama siosio atu pee mo Lone he tafa’akii. Ko e kii me’a kalekale ko ‘enii hangee ko e lauu tuku aa ke hao hake kau lekileki ha ha ha.
Ko SH ia ‘oku ‘ikai ke kau ia he’eku filii he kou kei ‘ita ni pee he ne hanga ‘o fakatooki au he ‘eku ‘uluaki kanitieitii. Kae pango he ko e fili eni ia ‘a e kii finemotu’a birthday he koe talu pee eni ‘ena fesiofaki he ta’u ‘e 20 kuo hili ‘i he hanga ‘e SH ‘o lotu’i hono ta’u 1. Na’a ku talaange ki he kii finemotu’aa to’o ho lotoo mei he fo’i lotu ko iaa he kei sii koe he taimi ko iaa pea kuo fuoloa e expire e fo’i lotu ia ko iaa; ko hoo monu’ia ‘au ko e pee ia ‘a’au ‘oku kei fresh; pea ‘ikai ko ia pee ko e faifekau ‘oku ke loto ki aii ko hoku fili ia ‘o’oku ‘asili aii mo e feitu’u ‘oku ha’u mei aii; kae pango Ma’u he kou toki ‘ilo’i ko e fklahi ‘aki pee he ko e ‘umu po’uli ka ko moutolu pee ha ha ha..
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Epeli Taungapeau
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 3:19 p.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [tasilisili] Poupou 'ae Uniting Justice (UCA)ki he Mali Fakasotoma.
Heheeee Tevita….kuo sio fkmata’I ‘ikale mai ia he taimi ni…….pea kuo me’a pe ‘I ‘olunga……..kuo ‘ikai toe lava ‘e ia ‘a e lue………mamani na’e ta’e’iloa eee…….pehe ‘e au koau pe na’e ngalo pea ‘oku ki’I sai pe ko ‘eku nofovao……ka ko e toe ‘ela mu’a ‘a e kau Matamata, Chch, Dunedin……..hoiiii eee
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tevita Finau
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 3:05 p.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Poupou 'ae Uniting Justice (UCA)ki he Mali Fakasotoma.
SH, neongo 'oku ou tui kehekehe mo ho foha, ka 'oku ou poupou ki ho'o poupou kiai, pea 'oatu 'a e 'ofa mo e talamonuu kiate ia. Sai ia ho'o ha'u 'o tanu pe mo 'alu ki he kau ma'olunga mo tu'umalie mo e kau poto 'o e Tonga High mo Nuku'alofa. Fo'i poookooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Kapau na'e 'ikai 'a e ki'i fatongia ne ta'e'amanekina 'a'ene looloa makehe 'i Kauvai ni ne ma mei lava atu pe 'o toki 'ilo ko koe 'a e paipa lotu'i 'aho.
Tevita Finau
137 Queen St PO Box 36450
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From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saikolone Taufa
Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2012 11:21 a.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
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Ma'u, sai koe mo TFinau ne 'ikai manatu'i ke 'omai .. ko au neu 'i loto pe kae 'ikai manatu''i ... ... toki me'a tomui mai pe e Tiuta ia mei 'apiako 'o me'a hangatonu ia ki mu'a ouaaa... kai ia 'ae 'Ikale.. 'ofa ai pe moe lotu
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Ko e me’a ‘e taha na’e ngalo ke fakakau ‘i he ‘eku kimju’a tifinau ko e ola lelei ange ‘a e nofo he loto siasii he mavahee; ko ‘eku fakafuofua eni kihe me’a ‘oku hoko kia kitautolu henii. Neongo na’e ‘ikai ke ‘iai ha le’o ‘o e kau tongaa he taimi na’e alea’i aii pea mavahe ai ha ni’ihi ka ko e fa’ahinga na’e nofoo ‘oku nau lotu fiemalie pea toka’i ‘aupito honau le’oo ‘o hangee ko ia he taimi ni. Kuo hanga ‘ehe siasii ‘o fanongo ki he tokotaha kotoa; fa’ahi kotoa; kulupu kotoa ‘o kau ai e feima’u ‘a e kau tongaa. Pea ko e me’a ia ‘oku phee ai kapau ‘e ako e TNC he motu’a moaa pea nau analaiso e fale’i kuo ke vahevahe atuu kou tui tenau a’usia pee ‘a e fiemalie tatau ‘o hangee ko ia ‘oku tau ‘inasi ai henii...
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tevita Finau
Sent: Monday, 28 May 2012 11:31 p.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Poupou 'ae Uniting Justice (UCA)ki he Mali Fakasotoma.
'Io mo'oni a koe SH pea fakamolemole atu. Na'e mei lava pe 'o li'aki kapau ko ha fatongia ki Hihifo ee, ka ko e fatongia ki he kau Lolo. Fakamolemole atu Mulikitonga. Mahalo au Ma'u te ta toki fakataha kia Lone mo e foha 'o SH 'o toki ma'u ai 'a sh mo ha hefa ee!!!!
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2012/5/29 Nasili Vaka'uta <nvak...@gmail.com>
'Oku te'eki koa ke 'osi e ma'uhala 'a e ni'ihi kuo nau ofi ange kinautolu kia Sihova 'i ha to e taha? Ko e palopalema 'oku faiaka he ma'uala 'o kau ki he Tohitapu, pea 'ikai fietali e mo'oni ko e tui, fakakaukau mo e tohi kotoa pe ko e ngaahi social constructions with their own agendas. 'Oua 'e fa'a folofua na'a lo'oa ha taha (hufanga he fakatapu).
2012/5/28 seni taniela <seni...@yahoo.com.au>
- On Sun, 27/5/12, Saikolone Taufa <taufach...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
Pope 'oua teke fa'a fakalotolahi'i e Takamuli ke poupou'i e me'a 'oku hala.
SH 'oku 'ikai ke fu'u mahino kiate au, pe koe ha koaa 'ae palopalema 'oe kautama ni mo ha taha 'oku gay be lesbian pea 'oku loto ke faifekau. 'Oku ou kau au he tokosi'i heni 'oku ou poupou kakato ki he 'oange ha faingamalie 'o kinautolu 'oku gay pe lesbian ki he fatongia fakafaiefekauu. Koe ngaahi fu'u baggage ko'eni 'oku 'uhinga ai 'a hono ta'etali 'ehe ni'ihi 'ae gay moe lesbian 'oku ou tui koe ngaahi grievances fakafo'ituitui ia pea 'oku totonu ke 'oange hano faingamalie 'ona ke heal mo recover (kapau 'oku nau loto kiai). Fakalotolahi'i ho foha ke muimui'i 'ene vision pea mo hono ui ke faifekau, pea ka 'ikai pea fekau ke ha'u ia ki heni kema poupou'i 'e au ke 'alu ia 'o fai 'ae ngaue fakafaifekau 'oku ui kiai 'ehe 'Eikii.
Kakai mou 'ofa mai aa 'o sio 'aki 'ae mata 'aee 'oku 'afio mai 'aki 'ehe 'Otuaa kiate kitautoluu - kohono ngaahi 'ofa'anga kotoa pe kitautolu 'o tatau ai pe nothing less nothing more just beloved - moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone
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Lone kau au mo koe he'ikai keu tui he fiefaifekau ha taha oku gay pe lesipiane o hangee pee ko eku tui oku ikai ko ha palopalema ke fiefaifekau ha taha afungi hange ko auu. Ko e kehekehee pee he oku ou lau e au e afungii ko e angahala kapau oku ou intentionally and purposefully practice it. Oku te fangatua mo e natula'i angahala ko iaa he 'ao e 'Otua ke oua na'a ku 'afungi pea ka kuo te ilo'i kuo te afungi oku te fakatomala mo vete ki he 'Otuaa mo feinga ke hola mei ai.
Kapau leva oku lesbian/gay e orientation ka oku ne ilo ka act upon it willfully/intentionally pee fakafiefiemalie kovi o pehee oku sai pee oku ikai ko ha angahala pea taa ko e palopalemaa ia.
Ko e lau e kovii ko e lelei.
Tukukehe kapau kuo ke pehee oku ikai ko ha angahala e to'onga fakakelesipianee....taa kuo pau ke tau kehekehe pea oku iai e justified logical reasons ki he ta'eloto a kimautolu ki he faifekau a e kau kelesipianee.
Oku ikai ko e issue ia ko e pehee ko fee angahala mo e angahala si'isi'i aia oku fa'a hee mo takihala'i ki ai e pootalanoa....ko e issue totonu ke kamata mei ai e talanoaa pe ko e angahala nai e feohi fakasotomaa pe ikai.
Kiate au oku fakalili'a tatau pee a Sihova ki he'eku 'afungii mo nonofo kovii mo e fakasotomaa (acting on that sexual orientation)....ko e fehu'ii oku fai nai ha fakatomala loto lavea mo mafesifesi mo ha feinga ke matanga mei ai....fakatokanga'i a e ikai ofiofia e angahala a Saula kia King Tevita tono mali, fakapoo, etc. Ko e kehekehee he nae sio a Tevita ki he angahalaa pea ne ui ia ko e angahala, kae sio a Saula ia ki he fanga ki'i angahala ikiikii etc oku ikai ko ha angahala ka e mahalo nene ui pee e ia ko e weakness or whatever tern we use to justify our sins etc
Ko e ten million question leva kiate koe mo auu " Ko e angahala nai e mohe a e tangata mo e tangataa fefine fefinee o tatau ai pee kapau e fakamali'i kinaua pe ikai?
Hangee ko hoo uki ke tau sio'aki e matasioata oku sio mai aki e Otuaa....fokotuu atu ke fai eta fakaofiofii mei haata feinga ke tali e fehui i olungaa,
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Ma'afu Palu
"Love endures all things" Saul of Tarsus d. AD 64.
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Afe mai heni he tu’aliku ke ta hifo atu he Kali ko Mavae Tangi pea mo e ki’i fu’u fa ko Hala Ki Langi ke ta lue ‘o ‘ave koe ki motu…….’oku ‘iai pe ‘eku laiseni tufi ‘elili…….mahalo pe na’a ma’u ha’o fkmamalohi……..
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nasili Vaka'uta
Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2012 1:55 p.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [tasilisili] Poupou 'ae Uniting Justice (UCA)ki he Mali Fakasotoma.
Ko ia kotoa. Ko 'ene palopalema ko 'eku feinga 'a'aku ke hoko 'eku lau ko e lau ia 'a e 'Otua. 'Oku fai pe 'etau ngaue 'aki e lelei taha 'oku tau ala lava, kae'oua na'a ngalo 'oku fakangatangata pea pukupuku. 'Oku mahu'inga ke fokifokihi e me'a kotoa, pea ki'i teletele atu ha fulufulu na'a tolounua ha taha. Ko e fehu'i pe 'oku 'i ai ha'atau laiseni tolomaka? 'Ikai ko e angahala kotoa pe kitautolu? 'Oku fakatu'unga nai 'a e ngaahi angahala, ke mamafa e ni'ihi pea ma'ama'a e ni'ihi?
| Fehu'i atu pe Dr Vaka'uta mo Rev Lone Kapau oku mo ilo oku ikai ko ha angahala e nonofo fakaSotomaa....'oku totonu ke mo tui oku hala e ma'u a kimautolu 'oku mau tui ko e angahala e to'onga mo'ui na. Logically, teu pehee ko e taha ena e fakahaa(revelation) fakamuimui taha a e Laumalie Ma'oni'onii ki he Siasii. Sai, kapau leva ko e deep seated conviction i homo lotoo fakataha mo e kau "Kalisitiane FakaSotomaa" oku ikai ko ha angahala, pea taa oku mahino ko e ola ena ho'omou personal encounter pea mo e 'Otua i he'ene Folofola he koe ngaue ia e Laumalie ke tataki kitautolu ki he mo'onii. Hangee ko e lave kimu'a, ko ete conviction oku te mate mo mo'ui ki ai o tatau ai pee. Ko e fifilii levaa, kapau oku mou 'ilo oku ta'e'ofa a e Siasii 'iate kimoutolu pea 'ikai ke tonu Fakafolofola 'emau ta'etali e mali fakaSotomaa, ko e haa e uhinga oku ikai ke mou to'a fe'unga ai o falala ki he 'Otuaa pea mou huu kitu'a mei he mainline churches o fokotu'u ha'amou ngaahi fai'anga lotu (start from the scratch) pea tala ki he kau kei e community ke nau ha'u o lotu ai pea feinga ke fakaului atu mo e kakai he ngaahi mainline churches ke mou kamata ha Siasi fo'ou oku fakaSotoma? Koe haa u fu'u insecure pehee ai e kau "muimui o Kalaisi nonofo fakaSotomaa o pehee ka ikai tali e he siasii enau mali heikai lava ke lelei enau lotuu, taumaiaa te mau tutu mo kilisiua kinautolu? 'Ikai oku hanga e he kau akatemika, kau paipa nonofo fakaSotoma, moe kau tui fakaSotoma e Siasii o tohotoho'i e Siasii(hufanga he fakatapuu)...Rape is forced love....they are spiritual rapists/bullies... Ikai oku mou kau fakataha mo e toenga e culture kuo huuhuukia, fakataha mo e ngaahi feinga fakalao, fakapolitikale he feinga ke fakamalohi'i e toenga e kakai ke tali e nau to'ongamo'uii oku sai pee pea oku ikai ko ha angahala? Mou ilo pee 'e fai movesevese ka mou fakavilovilo pee i loto o ngaueaki mo homou tu'ungaa ke fakanonota'aki e toenga e kau tui kei fakapo'uli ko kimautolu? Ke mou mavahe o fokotu'u Siasii ke mou lotu tau'ataina ai mo ho'omou tui fo'ouu he oku mou falala kakato ki he "Otua ne fakahaa atu oku ikai ko ha angahala e nonofo fakaSotomaa?...mou nofo pee i loto oku lolotonga iai e kapangakoo o fai ai pee hono fakaninimo'i e kakai ke nau tui tatau mo kinautolu kae teketeke'i a kinautolu oku nau tui ki he uhinga ne fokotu'u ai e Siasii? Fkhoa e movement gay mo e ngaahi revival he hisitolia e Siasii pea mou sio ki he faikehee. 'Ai mo tau 'aa o eke pee ko e haa oku tupuange ai e ngaahi Siasi oku nau tui ki he tohitapuu kae ukaka mamalie e ngaahi siasi fakapotoo. Ikai mole ha peni e taha a e UMC heetau apiako Metotisi TuiTohitapu ko Asbury ka oku tupu ange a Asbury he apiako Taetui Tohitapu (liberal) ko Claremont oku mole ai e miliona e foaki e kakai UMC...'ai mo tau fakakaukau na'a kuo tau melemo he lahi 'etau 'iloo Mo e 'ofa ai pee ki he Siasii |
Faka’amu pe tifinau he’ikai ke tau fo’i vave hono talanoa’i le’o lahi mo mamafa ‘a e issue ko ‘enii koe’uhii he ‘e tokoni ia ki he ‘etau nofoo mo e kaha’u ‘etau fanauu ‘i he ngaahi fonua mulii. ‘Oku ou tui ‘oku tokoni ‘etau hono mahino’i e lotuu he ‘atakai ‘o e ‘aho ni pea mo hono toe ‘etau fakateolosia’i ‘etau ngauee ‘o fakatatau ki he ‘etau fononga he ngaahi kuonga takitaha. Kuo tau fononga fuoloa mai mo e pulonga/faingata’a ‘oku ‘efihia ai ‘etau lotuu mo e fk’uhingaa koe’uhii he ko e me’a ia na’a nau tupu hake mo iaa. Pea tau hiki mai ‘o nofo muli pea moe fakakaukau tatau pee ‘o ‘ikai ke ‘asi mai ha fu’u fklakalaka fefee neongo ‘ene lahi ‘a e taimi lotuu. ‘I he ‘ene pehee ‘oku ou tui kuo taimi pee ke toe faofao ‘a ‘etau fekumi ki he mafimafi ‘o e ‘otuaa ‘a ee ‘oku ‘ikai ke tau a’usia he kou tui pau ko e tali ia ki he ngaahi isiuu ‘oku tau faingata’a’ia aii ‘o tatau pee pe koefee ha tafa’aki.
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tevita Finau
Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2012 6:46 p.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
tui.
'Ofa ke tau kei fefaka'apa'apa'aki pe pea mou hoko atu, kae tokanga na'a fai ho'omou milimilisino fakatohitapu mo tokateline pea hangee ko e takitaha fetakai 'a e ha'a Tu'i Tonga mo e Ha'a Takalaua pea hanga kinaua ia ai kae uini e Ha'amoaa ia.
Hahahahaa 'oku 'ange'ange 'a e tokolahi pe fonu palofesa, filosefa, potupotu mo lekileki 'a e 'u tafa'aki mo e ngaahi 'ulungatui meihe kuonga mo e kuonga 'o a'u mai ki he 'aho ni. Ka mole 'a e tau'ataina 'a Ma'afu mo Nasili, pe Takamuli mo Seni pe Lone mo SH ke takitaha tu'uaki tau'ataina 'a'enau tui fakafo'ituitui meihe paenga ni pea mo e siasi, pea 'oi hoto fakapo ta te tau iku pe 'o toe langa ha toe taua pepeli fo'ou.
'Oku ou tokanga atu pe au Takamuli mo Sisilia he 'oku lahi ange homou falee mo e ngaahi lokii henaa ia he poko'i fale mo e paku'i ma 'oku mau hao kotoa pe ai ki loto mo femolimoli'i pe ai neongo e fusimo'omoo mo fe'amokaki. Fai ke a'u 'a e feinga ia 'oku fai 'e Dr Hedley mo nautolu 'oku tui tatau mo iaa. kae 'oua 'e lau ai 'oku hala 'a e 'ikai lea mai pe femo'uekina ha kau faifekau kehe ia he'enau takitaha ngaue, pe fika ki lalo (less priority) 'ete mahu'inga'iaa 'a nautolu pe kehe 'enau tuii 'i ha me'a 'oku nau mahu'inga'ia ange ai kinautoluu.
Fakamalo atu ki he ngaahi fokotu'u mavahe pe keheange 'oku 'ohake he paenga ni. 'I he ta'u 'e 15 kuo hili ne mau fou mai mautolu he meimei me'a tatau, pea na'a mau lotu mo ui leva ha'amau fakataha fakakatoa pea fakaafe'i kiai 'a e Palesiteni mo e kau ma'u mafai mo e kau taki 'o e ngaahi matakali. Na'e fakaafe'i kiai 'a e Palesiteni 'o e SUTT (Lopeti Taufa) pea mo e Palesiteni Maloloo (Rev Dr SA Havea). Na'e 'ikai ke mau fakataha mautolu koiaa 'o fakakikihi'i 'a e Fakasotoma. Na'a mau fakataha ke mau lau pe ko e ha 'a e tu'utu'uni te mau fai ma'a mautolu, 'ikai ko e kakai 'oku taku ko e kau Fakasotoma. Tuku ai kae tuku tau'ataina kimoutolu Takamuli ke mou fai ha tu'utu'uni 'e tali 'e hamou tokolahi.
Fakafiefia ia kapau 'e faifaiangee pea mou lava kimoutolu 'o faaitaha kotoa ki ha tu'utu'uni 'oha me'a ke mou fai. Na'e pehee 'e Rev Sione Ha'angana, "Me'a lelei ko e Tohitapu, he ko e ha pe me'a te te loto kiai, pea 'e ma'u pe hono Potutohi ai".
Tevita Finau
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Northcote Point Northcote
North Shore 0627 Auckland 0748
New Zealand New Zealand
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| Malo Sami ko e fakakaukau mahuinga e fekauaki e fakamaau totonu mo e equality etc. Oku ou tui ki he justice mo e equal opportunity ki he memipa kotoa e sosaietii kau ai mo e kau homosexual etc. Pea oku ou faka’amu ke fakamamafa’I ko ‘eku totonu mo tau’ataina oku omi e he laoo kuo pau ke ‘alu fakataha mo hoku fatongia ke tauhi ki he toenga e sosaietii. Ko e malii oku ikai ko e sio pee ki he lelei ‘a’aku mo hoku hoaa, ka kuo pau ke kau mai moe lelei ki he fakalukufua e sosaietii. ‘Oku ‘ikai ko e mali pee ki he lelei ‘a’aku mo hoku hoaa. Pea ko e uhinga ia e fehu’ia e impact e same sex marriage on the common good of the society as a whole. Kapau ko e fatongia e laoo ko e malu’I kitautolu mei he injustice, ko e ‘uhinga ia hono fa’u ‘e he ngaahi fonua I Iulope, pehee ki he ngaahi state e ni’ihi I Amelika ni e “CIVIL UNION” pe ko e “CIVIL PARTNERSHIP” o hangee ko ia I Pilitani ko e Civil Partnership Act 2004. Ko e taumu’a ke oange ki he gay couples are faingamalie ko ia oku ma’u ‘e he marriage couples. Malu’I ai enau totonu ki he’enau koloa, insure…pea ka mate ha taha e ongo same sex partner oku fakauitou ki ai e partner koee…pea oku lava kena tauhi ena contract hangee pee ha tauhi fuakava malii etc. JUSTICE SERVED. Their rights / privileges ki he koloa etc oku nau ma’u tatau pee mo ha ongo me’a mali. Ko e ha leva e me’a ‘oku gain ‘e he same sex couples he’enau feinga ke malii? What extra privilege does marriage union have
they don’t have? NONE except for the fact marriage union is blending/uniting/merging
of diversities of the sexes to create unity—unity in diversity. Ko e me'a pee e hoko he kaha'uu he feinga fakataha ko eni we will all losers--the gay couples lose...the rest of the society will lose also. Oku injustice nai marriage union ki he kau same sex couples? NO. Marriage union celebrates diversities for the common good of the society. Ka koe haa koaa uhinga ke holoki e sosaietii ke tatau e tokotaha kotoa ki he
me’a oku ikai loto e tokotaha kotoa ke tatau ai he ‘oku mata'a'aa mai e kehekehe union e male
mo e male/fefine moe fefine pea mo mali tangata moe fefinee? Me'a nii ko e 'ai ke fakatutuli hotau konisenisii mei he kehekehe o e tangata mo e fefinee?. Oku celebrate e he public bathroom e kehekehe ko enii hufanga he fakatapuu aki hono 'ai e "ladie" mo e "gentlemen." Tonuange konisenisi e public bathroom...he 'ai ke numi e marriage institution ko e me'a oku totonu ke huu ki ai e tokotaha kotoa...Fefee ka tu'u hake Tamai moe Ofefine? Tuonga'ane Tuofefine pole'i ena totonu ke na mali? Ko e haa argument ki ai?? Kapau ko e pehee e kovi ki he'ena fanauu...he oku tau kau ai??te na fakatootamai pee enaua? I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE MAIN REASON FOR THAT FERICIOUS CAMPAING TO INCLUDE SAME SEX COUPLES IN MARRIAGE UNION IS FOR “EMOTIONAL, MORAL & SPIRITUAL” REASONS. Ko e feinga ‘a e kau same sex couple lotu KE LAU ‘E HE TOENGA E SOSAIETI OKU IKAI KO HA KOVI, OKU IKAI KO HA ANGAHALA, ‘OKU IKAI ABNORMAL ENAU NONOFOO. Uhinga e ikai fiemalie e kau faifekau gay he Civil Partnership—neongo kuo nau ma’u e privilege tatau mo marriage union—ko ‘enau fiema’u ken au ongo’I I honau konisenisi fakataha mo e toenga e sosaietii oku “holy” pee enau nonofo fakasotomaa. Mei he argument a e palofesa lao mei Princeton ko Robert George ko e issue eni he’ikai lava ke neutral e laoo ia. Kuo pau pee ke kau ki he tafa’aki. I he’ene pehee leva ko e issue eni oku fekau’aki mo e liliu e culture mo e sosaietii fakalukufua pea oku ikai ha totonu a e fakamaau’anga ia ken au pule’I mai. Ko e uhinga ia hono tuku mai ki he public he ngaahi state e ni’ihi I Amelika ni ke vote e kakai hangee ko ia ne toki fai e N or S Carolina pea na’e vote e kakai ke oua e tali e mali fakasotoma. Ko e me’a pehee ne hoko I California he ta’u kuo hili nai aia ne fili pee kakai ke oua e tali. Civil Union/Partnership-- ko e tali ia ki he injustice oku luau pea oku tonu kenau fa’ofua ai pea ngata ai...kae tuku e fietatauu heoku mata'aa'aa mai e kehekehee…kaikehe ko e kau lotuu homo mo honau kau poupouu oku ikai ken au loto ki ai. Fokotu’u ki he pule’anga Aositelelia mo homou ngaahi siasii ke oua “politically/theologically rape” e toenga e sosaietii aki ha faitu’utu’uni pee ‘a e kau paipaa ke fakaniupapua a’aki e toenga e kakai kae tukuhifo ke fai ha vote…fakatemokalatiange ia etc. |
Seni:e
Kapau ko e tohi kotoa pee ko e social constructions with their ‘own agenda, taa oku kau ai pee mo ho'o tohii Dr Vaka'uta social constructions. Pea malo ia hono talamai ke mau 'ilo'i. Pea toe vakai na'a mo e fo'i post ko ena Dr Vaka'uta pee oku kau mo ia he social constructions.
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Maloo Seni e tanaki ka ko ‘etau talanga foki ko enii ha me’a ke tokoni ki hotau kakaii tatautefito ki he fakakaukau ke nau fai fiefia ‘i he fai ‘enau lotuu ‘i he kuonga ko ‘enii pea mo tupulekina honau ngaahi famili ‘i he tapa kotoa pee ‘o e mo’ui – mo’ui fakasosiale, faksno, fkatamai mo fakalaumalie foki. Ko ‘eku sio ki he poini ko ‘enii ‘oku ‘ikai ko ha me’a fo’ou ia, ko e social constructions ‘oku contribute ‘e ha fa’u tohii ko e me’a normal pee ia he neongo ‘oku ne taukave’i ‘a ‘ene mo’on/siate folau/kaveingai ka ‘oku hoko ai ‘a e langa fakalakalaka fksosiale/fkekonomika fk’atamai mo e mo’ui foki; pea tene liliu ai mo e fa’unga ‘o e mo’ui ‘o tatau pee ha tapa ‘oku tefito ki ai ‘a e fa’u. Ko e motolo pe ia ‘oku tau sio ‘o ‘ilo he tohitapuu ko e saame; akonaki ‘a paloveapi; lao he tohi levitiko etc ‘oku tala kitu’a ai na’e ‘iai ‘enau asenita na’a nau loto ke a’usia. Ko e lao ‘a Mosese fekau e hongofulu ‘oku tuku ki lalo pea tamate’i ai e ngaahi ‘otua kehee koe’uhii kae tauhi taha pee ki he ‘otua ‘o isilelii – ko e ‘asenita ia ke a’usia. Pea nau fakapipiki leva ki ai ‘a e ‘Otua koe’uhii ke mamafa ‘o ‘oua ‘e toe le’eia. ‘Oku meimei natula tatau pee ia mo e maa’imoa lakalaka ‘a Kuini Salote; ‘e sio pe e kau mamata ko e lalaka pe faiva kae toki ‘analaiso ia ‘e he kau fktotolo ‘o ‘ilo taa ko ‘ene tui fakapolitikale ia mo e ‘ene fokotu’utu’u ki he houeiki mo e fonuaa. ‘Oku ‘osi mahino pee kia kitautolu ‘oku repreat ‘a e me’a tatau ‘o ‘asi mai he fuakava fo’ou he faitatau/kainga ‘a e ngaahi talanoaa. ‘oku falala’anga ‘a e tohitapu kia kitautolu he ‘oku ne ‘omi ‘a e social constructions ‘oku tokoni ki he ‘etau nonofo he sosaieti pea tau ‘ilo ai hotau vaa ki he tokotaha kotoa pee pea mo e vaa kihe ‘otuaa.
Ka he’ikai ke tau ala tuku ai kitautolu ki lalo ‘o tau ka fai ha fakatotolo ‘i he maama ‘o hono fakakofu kitautolu ‘ene ‘otua ‘oku tau tui ki ai ‘aki ha taleniti ke tau toe faofao ‘a e maama/fekau ‘o e tohitapu ke fe’unga mo e ‘atakai mo e kuonga ‘oku tau lotu aii ‘o hangee ko e me’a na’e hoko he kuonga ‘o e kau palofita pe ko sisu. Kaekehe ko e anga pee foki e fakalanga talanoa.
Maaaalie fau e pakipaki kau tangata mo si'i fanga ta'okete. Kae fai mu'a ha'atau ki'i lotu ka tau toki hoko atu.." 'Eiki-tokoni'i hoku ki'i loto-Keu tui aipe ki ho'o poto-Keu 'ahi'ahi ke talia-Ke fai ho finangalo ia." 'Emenihoko atu aa e pakipaki mo e talamonuu atutlangi
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From: Saikolone Taufa <taufach...@xtra.co.nz>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [tasilisili] Poupou 'ae Uniting Justice (UCA)ki he Mali Fakasotoma.
Kakai mou 'ofa mai aa 'o sio 'aki 'ae mata 'aee 'oku 'afio mai 'aki 'ehe 'Otuaa kiate kitautoluu - kohono ngaahi 'ofa'anga kotoa pe kitautolu 'o tatau ai pe nothing less nothing more just beloved - moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone
From: david niu <niut...@gmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [tasilisili] Poupou 'ae Uniting Justice (UCA)ki he Mali Fakasotoma.
2012/5/27 seni taniela <seni...@yahoo.com.au>
Ko e ten million question leva kiate koe mo auu " Ko e angahala nai e mohe a e tangata mo e tangataa fefine fefinee o tatau ai pee kapau e fakamali'i kinaua pe ikai?
malo mu'a e potalanoa pea 'oku kau 'a e isiu ko eni 'i he 'isiu 'oku ongo vevela hono potalanoa'i pea 'asili ai ko e taha pe 'a e tohitapu 'oku ngaue'aki 'e he ongo kauhala ke taukave'i'aki 'a e takitaha tu'uaki. Ko e fehu'i mo'oni kuo ke tuku mai Seni pea 'oku mo'oni pe 'ene ten million dollar question ka 'oku ou kole ke mono atu aipe mu'a mo 'eku fie'ilo ke kau atu ho'omou potalanoa....'e kau nai 'a e biological, psychological moe spiritual makeup and complexities 'o ha tokotaha ki hono define 'a e 'tangata' pe 'fefine' 'o e tokotaha ko ia? pe 'oku faka'uhinga'aki pe 'a e physical anatomy?Ko kinautolu 'oku colorblind, ko e hinehina pe moe 'uli'uli 'oku nau vakai ki ai, Ka kia kitautolu 'oku 'ikai colorblind lava pe ke tau vakai ki he gray area pea ko e gray area eni 'oku fai ai e taufangatua.....tniu
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| Neu kau mai he 2005 nai ki he Tasilisili, [pea oku ai ai e me'a talu ene hoko he ta'u e 7 kuo 'osii oku kei hoko pee o a'u mai ki he 'aho ni aia oku osi ai eku tumuu he toi mai e ni'ihi he me'a ko e false humility mo e fakaakiakimui loi ka oku tekeutua mai e afungi he taimi lahi. Pea oku ou uhinga ki heni Mau tolu ko eni oku conservative emau tui ki he Folofolaa, taimi lahi oku mau post ha'ate fakamatala ki he me'a oku te tui ki ai pea te support aki e kupu'i Folofola. Mahalo ko e lahi taha ko Sepesi, kau ai au mo Dr Ma'afu Palu mo ni'ihi kehe pehee pee. Ko e anga eni e respond e ni'ihi...eg Tuku e fakanafala..tuku e kola'i e kakai ,,.tuku e piko'i e Folofolaa....etc. KAE HALA'ATAA KE FOKOTU'U MAI E UHINGA TOTONU OKU NAU PEHEE OKU UHINGA KI AI E FOLOFOLA. Ko Dr Ma'afu Palu tokotaha pee oku ikai fai ha respond ngaueaki e "FAKANAFALA" ki ai. Ko e me'a ki he toenga e kainanga e fonuaa oku taa'i e sino e tokotaha tohii aki e taukae...KAE HALA'ATAA PEE KE OMI ENAU UHINGA OKU NAU PEHEE KO E UHINGA TONUU IA. pea tala ia oku ai ke mau fakamalohi'i mai e toengaa ....etc example atu aki eni...neu lave ki he faifekau fefine UMC ne ne liliu o fakaikai Otua (atheist) pea kau ki he association e kau atheist Amelika ni. Neu lau e tohi a Rev Saikolone one pehee ai i heeku fakatonuleaa...oku kei tui pee a fefine pea ko e kalasi ia e taha e tuii etc....Neu respond ki he tohi a Saikolone o kamataaki e ongo Folofola Psalm 14 1 The fool[a] says in his heart, “There is no God.” Hebrews 6:4-6 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Peau fakamatala ki he tokotah palofesa Tohitapu ta'e tui Tohitapu mo ne laine mu'a hono hae hifo e ngaahi tefitoi tui e lotu Fkkalisitianee ko Bart Erhman...Ka na'e kamata a Ehrman ngaahi apiako conservative Moody Bible Institute hoko atu Wheaton etc pea ne fakaikai e tali o Sisu mo e tui ne tupu hake mo ia heene hoko atu i Princeton. Kaikehe ne tali mai a Saikolone pea kau e ne pehe OKU HALA EKU NGAUEAKI E ONGO FOLOFLA....KAE IKAI PEE OMI E SAIKOLONE E UHINGA TOTONU E ONGO FOLOFOLAA. Kuo a'u ki he taimi kuou pehee...OKU TAU ILO PEE HONO FAKAUHINGA HALA E FOLOFOLAA KA OKU IKAI KE TAU ILO E FAKAUHINGA TONU. I he post kimui ni ne fehu'ia e Saikolone pee ko e haa koaa e palopalema a kinautolu oku ikai ke nau talie e mali e kau FakaSotoma....pea hoko atu ene pehee ko e personal baggage etc pea ne pehee oku tonu ke heal kinautolu... kaikehe neu respond ki heene fifili aki pe uhinga faingofua OKU MAU TUI KO E NONOFO FAKASOTOMA KO E ANGAHALA fiema'u e fakatomala mo e feinga ke matanga mei ai....etc,.....Peau fokotu'u atu e fehui kia Saikolone pe oku tui nai ko e angahala pe ikai etc Ikai tali e Saikolone e fehui kae taukae'i eku fehu;i o lau ko e fehui maulalo...pea hoko atu o pehee naa oku pehee ehe niihi oku nau ofiange ki he Otua etc Tohi leva a Nasili o poupou kia Saikolone o ikai tali mai eku fehui pe oku na tui nai ko e angahala e nonofo fakaSotoma pe ikai ka mou lau ena post...Ongo Faifekau...ko fee i he;eku post oku asi ha pehee oku ou ofiange ki he Otuaa...Ikai talanoa he issue pea omi e uhinga totonu e Folofola oku mo tui ki ai...kae katakatai emau osi tahaa... Hangee kiate au oku feinga pee ke intimidate pea ko e fakaapaapa e fai pe ki ha tohi a ha Dr. Ikai ke omi e uhinga ke taa'i aki e uhinga...ka oku taukae'i pee uhinga e tokotaha koee tukukehe pee a Dr Palu, Taha kotoa pee heni oku tui ki he me'a oku ne pehee ko e Mooni ia. Oku ou tui e tokoni ke tau humble enough o folahi mai e uhinga o ete tui ki he me'a ko iaa pea te teachable enough ke tali hono fakaikaii e ha taha...;kehe pee ke tau omi ki loto etau ngaahi uhingaa...koe me'a ia e fai e akoo.... I he tau e tolu nai kuo osi, ne ma fetohiaki ai mo tv he politiki...tui a tv oku tonu ke alu fakataha pee lotu mo e polikti...tui au tonu ke na mavahevahe...Ko e mea ia neu ako he politiki a amelika ni,,,ne ngaueaki e tv e tohitapuu ke fakamooni oku tonu ke na alu fakataha peau fakatokangai ko Pilitania oku fakataha e lotu mo e politiki...amelika ni ikai. I he taimi ni ,,,,kuo liliu eku view hili eku fekumi ki he mea ne makatuunga ai e taukave a tv... Kapau te tau poto pee he talanoaa kaeoua e taasinoo heikai fai ha femamahiaki. Me'apango oku ai tokolahi oku nau taasino kae ikai ke nau fakatokangai ,,,,talu mei he kamataanga e tasilisili ni --- O |
Neu kau mai he 2005 nai ki he Tasilisili, [pea oku ai ai e me'a talu ene hoko he ta'u e 7 kuo 'osii oku kei hoko pee o a'u mai ki he 'aho ni aia oku osi ai eku tumuu he toi mai e ni'ihi he me'a ko e false humility mo e fakaakiakimui loi ka oku tekeutua mai e afungi he taimi lahi. Pea oku ou uhinga ki heni
Mau tolu ko eni oku conservative emau tui ki he Folofolaa, taimi lahi oku mau post ha'ate fakamatala ki he me'a oku te tui ki ai pea te support aki e kupu'i Folofola. Mahalo ko e lahi taha ko Sepesi, kau ai au mo Dr Ma'afu Palu mo ni'ihi kehe pehee pee.
Ko e anga eni e respond e ni'ihi...eg Tuku e fakanafala..tuku e kola'i e kakai ,,.tuku e piko'i e Folofolaa....etc. KAE HALA'ATAA KE FOKOTU'U MAI E UHINGA TOTONU OKU NAU PEHEE OKU UHINGA KI AI E FOLOFOLA.
Ko Dr Ma'afu Palu tokotaha pee oku ikai fai ha respond ngaueaki e "FAKANAFALA" ki ai. Ko e me'a ki he toenga e kainanga e fonuaa oku taa'i e sino e tokotaha tohii aki e taukae...KAE HALA'ATAA PEE KE OMI ENAU UHINGA OKU NAU PEHEE KO E UHINGA TONUU IA. pea tala ia oku ai ke mau fakamalohi'i mai e toengaa ....etc
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