Fw: TVUMC ADULT BIBLE STUDY--'Oku ai nai ha heli?

[seni taniela]

Kapau ko e 'uhinga ma'olunga ke 'oua e fai ai ha talanoa heli mo hevani ko e pehee kuo "te'eki ke sio ai ha taha" taa 'oku totonu ke 'oua na'a toe fai ha talanoa 'Otua he 'oku te'eki ke sio ha taha he 'Otuaa.   Lototonga ne hangee oku ta'ota'ofi he ngaahi uike si'i kuo hilii e talanoa ki he ongo feitu'uni he'etau paengaa, 'oku lele ia he news he ngaahi 'aho ni e tohi a e faifekau evangelical ko Rob Bell mo ene fakaikai'i a heli.  Pea oku headline ia he ngaahi news lahi kau ai TIME magazine pehee ki he news a e ngaahi apiako tohitapu kai ai e Duke Divinity School etc. Pea malie akotohitapu 'a D. Ofahengaue 'ene faka'ataa e siasii ke nau sio ki he Folofolaa mo e ngaahi me'a oku lele mai he news.   Tuku pee kau NZ ia ke oua te nau talanoa heli na'a hellism pe heavenism ai ha taha.  Ko e 'oatu pee bible study a D.O kia kimoutolu i Tongaa mo e kau Ozzie ke tau feinga ai ki he heavenism, kae manatu'i tapu ke te affirm pe negate ha tafa'aki telia na'a taku kuo ke ma'u ha mo'oni pea te ke kau ai he 'afungii.  Tau fakakohukohu pee na'a ita ha taha ha pehee 'e ha taha oku hala ene tuii(whatever it (fkkohukohu)means!!!).  Ka tau ako pee he ngaahi site oku omi e DO oku fai ai e felingiaki e ni'ihi oku disagree mo agree mo Peloo.   Malo D.O e tokoni ki he siasii ke 'oua te nau ilifia he talanoa ki he controversial issue he maama 'o e Folofolaa.  Monu'ia ho siasii.   Ofa atu --- On Thu, 28/4/11, David Ofahengaue <ofahe...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Dear ALL,      In Pastor Rob Bell's bestselling new book that there may be no hell. We agree that it's a worthwhile topic, one that is not incidental to our faith, and one that gives us a chance to dig into the Bible. So that will be the topic for our adults Sunday Bible Studies.      Please, read before you come to the class on Sunday morning after the first service. You can have hard copies from the office on Friday or download from our website: www.tehachapiumc.org. Remember the main ideas of this Bible Studies are: discussions and how to confront the news with the Bible.       May God bless you this week.    Rev David Ofahengaue         TEHACHAPI VALLEY UMC – SUNDAY ADULT BIBLE STUDY Popular Evangelical Pastor Posits Eternity without Hell May 1, 2011    In the News   What if there is no hell?   That's the question popular evangelical pastor Rob Bell raises in his book Love Wins, which debuted at No. 2 on the New York Times bestseller list in late March. With this book, Bell, who is pastor of Mars Hill Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan, which is regularly attended by more than 7,000, has unleashed a flood of debate and controversy. TIME magazine calls it "a new holy war in Christian circles."   In Love Wins, Bell suggests that the redemptive work of Jesus may be universal -- that eventually every person who ever lived will have a place in heaven.    Universalism -- the idea that God grants salvation to everyone regardless of how they have lived -- is not a new concept. It has been around for centuries as a minority view within the church. The early church father Origen (A.D. 185-254) argued that God would eventually return all souls to their original perfection.   Bell's support of the idea has become big news, however, because he is a celebrity of evangelical Christianity, not of the mainline church (which is often considered more liberal). Evangelical Christianity has generally maintained a clarity about salvation and damnation, insisting that while God offers salvation to all through Christ, only those who accept Christ's forgiveness of their sins receive eternal life; the unrepentant end up in hell, completely separated from God.   Bell does not use the term "universalism" in his book, but he clearly makes the universalist case, saying that in Jesus' resurrection, God has "inaugurated a movement ... to renew, restore and reconcile everything." He writes, "At the center of the Christian tradition since the first church have been a number who insist that history is not tragic, hell is not forever, and love, in the end, wins and all will be reconciled to God."   While not insisting that he's right, Bell says that a faith of exclusion is a dangerous thing. Hell, as a place of eternal torment, seems to Bell to be irreconcilable with the God of love. Bell believes in Jesus' atonement, he says, but he also states that he's unclear about whether the promised redemption as a result of that atonement is limited only to those who meet the repentance test of the church. Rather than taking an absolutist view either way, Bell invites his readers to live with the mystery.   Among the concerns Bell's view raises is that without a final consequence for wrongdoing, Christianity becomes more of an ethical practice than a faith based on divine revelation. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, points out that "when you adopt universalism and erase the distinction between the church and the world, then you don't need the church, and you don't need Christ, and you don't need the cross." Mohler pronounces Bell's book "theologically disastrous."   Both sides in this debate use the Bible to support their views, but they are reading it differently, and some are putting more weight on certain verses than others. Though critical of Bell's position, Mark Galli, reviewing Bell's book in Christianity Today, acknowledges the scriptural divide: "The fact that Scripture refuses to solve the dilemma should give us pause. There are in Scripture clear statements that suggest universal reconciliation. But aren't there other verses that teach the finality of the final judgment? Doesn't the Bible teach that the decisions we make in this life have consequences more sobering and eternal than we can imagine, and that history is ultimately more gracious than we, left to our own imaginations, would ever hope?"   The title of Galli's review of Bell's book is a succinct summary of much of the evangelical church's objection: "Rob Bell's Bridge Too Far."    More on this story can be found at these links:   Pastor Rob Bell: What If Hell Doesn't Exist? TIME Rob Bell, Hell and God's Love – The Debate that Won't Die. The Christian Post Brian McLaren Defends Rob Bell against Mohler's Critique. The Christian Post  Rob Bell's Bridge Too Far. Christianity Today  A Chronology of Rob Bell on Hell. Resurgence (contains links to several articles in the controversy)   The Big Questions   1. Is the basic message of Christianity any different if there is no hell? If so, in what way? Is this "a bridge too far"? Is this an argument worth having? Why or why not?   2. How do you balance the idea of divine justice with the idea of eternal punishment for sins that were limited to an earthly life span?   3. What is the spiritual fate of people who die without ever hearing the gospel through no fault of their own? (As Bell puts it, "What if the missionary had a flat tire?")   4. Rather than making a declaration of certainty about the absence of hell, Bell speaks of "living with the mystery." Is that a good basis on which to build faith? Why or why not?    5. Is there something about the human makeup that inclines us to want both heaven and hell to be real? If so, what is it? To what degree does your belief about hell help you to "toe the line"?   Confronting the News with Scripture Here are some Bible verses to guide your discussion:   Psalm 9:17 "The wicked shall depart to Sheol ..." (For context, read 9:15-20.) Psalm 139:8 "If I ascend to heaven, you are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, you are there." (For context, read 139:7-12.)   For most of the centuries covered by the Old Testament, there is no clear statement about life after death, either in heaven or hell. The Hebrew people spoke of Sheol, which was the place of the dead, both the righteous and the unrighteous, but it wasn't thought of as a place of either reward or punishment. It was simply the abode of the dead, from which none escaped.    Since there is no exact equivalent in English, most modern translations of the Bible don't try to translate Sheol; they simply transliterate the underlying Hebrew word. The King James Version translated the Hebrew word in both of the verses above as "hell," but in other verses, the KJV sometimes rendered the same Hebrew word as "grave" or "pit." In classical Greek, Sheol is translated as Hades.   On first glance, the verse from Psalm 9 seems to speak of Sheol as a place of punishment, a place where only the wicked go, but actually, the verse is simply saying that the wicked will physically die (which is not to suggest that the righteous will not).   Psalm 139 speaks of God as inescapable, as omnipresent, and in verse 8, the psalmist is simply saying no matter where he goes -- even into the sky (the meaning of "heaven" in the verse) or into the place of the dead -- God is still there. If, as traditionally understood, hell is a place where one is cut off from the presence of God, then Sheol cannot be hell, for, says this psalmist, even in Sheol, God is there.   Questions: Would you live your life any differently if you believed there were no life after death? Why? What about if you believed there were no hell -- but only heaven -- after death?   Daniel 12:2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (For context, read 12:1-4.)   This verse is the only clear reference to the resurrection of the dead in the Old Testament. Scholars note that Daniel was among the last of the Old Testament books to be written, and they suggest that by the time of that writing, Hebrew thought about existence after death had begun to evolve beyond Sheol, to an understanding of an afterlife where the righteous received "everlasting life" and the wicked received "shame and everlasting contempt."   By the time of the New Testament, belief in the resurrection of the dead had become more widespread. In fact, by then, the Sadducees, who did not believe in the resurrection of the dead, were considered unusual enough that they were known for their disbelief (see Mark 12:18).  Questions: What do you suppose caused the thinking about life after death to evolve? How has your own thinking on this subject evolved?   John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (For context, read 12:27-36.) 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 "All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting the message of reconciliation to us." (For context, read 5:16-21.) 1 Timothy 2:3-4 "... God our Savior, who desires everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." (For context, read 2:1-7.)   The verses above are among those Bell quotes as evidence that God will save everybody. In the case of the 1 Timothy verses, Bell asks, "Will God get what he wants?"   Questions: Which elements in each of the verses above can be read as referring to universal salvation? How else can they be interpreted? Do they seem to mean anything different when read in context?   Matthew 10:28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell." (For context, read 10:26-31.) Mark 9:43 "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than to have two hands and to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire." (For context, read 9:42-48.)   Both of the statements above are from Jesus, and in both, it's clear that Jesus is warning about serious consequences for disobeying God. In the Matthew verse, Jesus is speaking to the disciples, telling them of persecutions to come, some of which might even be fatal. But they should obey God and stick to their mission nonetheless, for losing their lives was not the worst thing that could happen. The worst thing was losing their souls.   In the Mark verse, Jesus uses exaggeration to make a point about obeying God. While he was not literally recommending that one maim oneself, he was saying again that there were worse things.   In both cases, the word translated "hell" in English is Gehenna, which meant "the valley of Hinnom." That was a location just south of Jerusalem's southwestern wall, where the people of Judah and the apostate Hebrew kings Ahaz and Mannasseh had once held child sacrifices to foreign gods  (2 Kings 23:10; Jeremiah 7:30-33; 2 Chronicles 28:3; 33:6). Because of its unsavory use in the past, by Jesus' day, the location was used as the city dump, where fires were kept burning continuously to consume the refuse.   But Gehenna had a figurative meaning as well. By the second century B.C., Jewish rabbis spoke of Gehenna in a metaphorical way as the place of final destruction of God's enemies and those of the people of God who had turned against him. (This idea is perhaps seen in Isaiah 66:24.) In this line of thought, Gehenna was a place of torment and punishment for the unrighteous.   It appears that Jesus was using Gehenna in this metaphorical way rather than referring literally to the dump outside the city walls, but metaphorical or not, he speaks of it as a destination one should avoid at all costs.   Question: What do you make of the fact that both of these comments of Jesus about hell were addressed to professed followers, not to incorrigible sinners?   For Further Discussion   1. Whether you agree with Bell or not, how might the questions he raises help people who are seeking a faith -- or help people Jesus is seeking but who aren't looking for him? Are the church's evangelistic efforts likely to be helped or harmed by Bell's book?   2. How much of your Christian faith is based on what the Bible actually says?   3. Writing in TIME about Rob Bell, Jon Meachem says that demography is working in Bell's favor. He then quotes Richard Mouw, President of Fuller Theological Seminary, from which Bell graduated: "[Bell's] trying to reach a generation that's more comfortable with mystery, with unsolved questions." Mouw then notes that his own young grandchildren are growing up with Hindu and Muslim friends and classmates. "For me," says Mouw, "Hindus and Muslims were the people we sent missionaries off to in places we called 'Arabia.' Now that diversity is part of the fabric of daily life. It makes a difference. My generation wanted truth -- these are folks who want authenticity. The whole judgmentalism and harshness is something they want to avoid."       So, where is the mission field? Or does the "field" as we have conceptualized it even exist? What happens when it is everywhere, not "over there"?       What is the difference between truth and authenticity?  4. Comment on these two passages: ·         "Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels ..." (Matthew 25:41). ·         "... This is the second death, the lake of fire; and anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire" (Revelation 20:14-15).   5. How might Jesus' parable of the wheat and the weeds (Matthew 13:24-30) inform this discussion?   6. Comment on this claim: "Most people do believe in hell. They think they and their loved ones all go to heaven. It's just everyone else who doesn't."   7. What do you learn from these historical tidbits? ·         The early Christians taught that Christ preached the gospel to the dead, and for that purpose descended into hell (see the Apostles' Creed). Many held that he released all who were in captivity, meaning that their destiny was not forever fixed at death. ·         Prayers for the dead were common in the early church and are still said today in some Christian denominations.   8. What are your beliefs about the nature of hell? Would you be comfortable in a heaven knowing others are being punished eternally? Responding to the News   This is a good time to renew your efforts to read the Bible. For our faith to be biblically based, it's important to know what the Bible actually says.    Closing Prayer  God of time and eternity, help us to follow you faithfully, to the best of our understanding.  In Jesus' name. Amen

[Daphne Taukolonga]

Seni   Poupou atu ki ho'o fokotu'u, fielau koe fu'u fonua lahi 'ena pea lahi hono me'a kotoa kau ai pe moe faalahi atu 'a e fakakaukau.   Ko hono pango ko 'etau fa'a faka'ataa 'a e kau puko si'i kenau hanga 'o dominate 'a e talanoa 'o tasilisili ni.  hehehe.      Na'e hanga 'ehe fakafehu'i 'e Nasili 'a Ma'afu 'o fakaaaki au kihe mahu'inga 'o e heli moe hevani.  'Oku ou tui 'oku mahu'inga foki ke fai ha 'ilo kihe kehekehe hono malanga'i 'a e Sisu 'hisitolia' moe Sisu 'o e 'here and now'.      Ko 'ete lau 'a e hisitolia 'o e Christianity 'oku mata'a'a ai 'a e mahu'inga 'ia 'a e kau kalisitiane 'ihe ngaahi kuongo kimu'a ke tukuange 'enau me'a kotoa kanau fekumi kihe ma'oni'oni mo ako kihe mo'ui 'a Kalaisi koe 'uhi ko 'enau mahu'inga 'ia kanau mate pea nau 'alu ki Hevani.   'Oku mahino hono experience fakakonga 'i mamani 'o hevani 'o fakatatau kihe lau 'a e ngaahi teolosia kehekehe, ka 'oku toe mahu'inga ke mahu'inga 'ia 'a e kalisitiane 'ihe mo'ui moe Sisu 'o e lolotonga ni he 'oku lava kene reflect ai 'ete mahu'inga'ia 'ihe mo'ui ka hokoo.   daphne  --- On Thu, 28/4/11, seni taniela <seni...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

-- 'Oku tufa atu e email ni koe'uhi 'oku kau ho tu'asila he memipa 'i he "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope" Ko e tu'asila ke 'ave ki ai ha'o email ki he Tasilisili ko e tasil...@googlegroups.com Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki he tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com Pea ko e website 'a e Tasilisili ko e http://groups.google.com/group/tasilisili

[Daphne Taukolonga]

Seni   'Oku ou tui koe heli koe fa'ahinga 'state of mind' ko hono uho pe kamata meihe motu 'o e fetu'utaki kihe 'Otua.  Koe taimi koee 'oku hoha'a ai hoku 'atamai 'o 'ikai ke 'iai ha fakanonga pea 'oku ou lau 'e au 'a e state of mind ko iaa koe heli (temporary).   Kapau na'e 'ikai ke 'iai ha heli, koe ha 'a e 'uhinga na'e fekau ai 'e Sisu 'ene kau 'aposetolo kenau 'alu kihe tapa kotoa 'o mamani 'o talaki ki ai 'a e kosipeli?  Koe haa 'a e 'uhinga na'e kavekave a'u ai 'a Sisu 'o iku kihe kolosi kapau 'oku 'ikai ke 'iai ha heli?      Na'aku sio 'ihe polokalama(documentary) ki hono 'omai 'a e kau 'gifted psychics' 'aia 'oku nau lava 'o talanoa kihe kakai kuo 'osi mate ka 'oku nau tu'u pe nofo'i 'a e ngaahi fale nofo'anga, ngaahi falemahaki, ngaahi pilisone, etc.   Koe fakamatala meihe kau 'gifted psychics'  koe ngaahi laumalie 'oku 'ikai tenau fie mavahe mei mamani, ni'ihi 'oku fihia (unfinish business), pea ni'ihi 'oku te'eki ai tenau fakatokanga'i 'e kinautolu kuo nau 'osi mate.   'Oku ou tui koe taha pe ia 'o e ngaahi 'ulungaanga 'oku laine atu moe nofo heli 'ihe lau 'a e Kalisitiane, pe Pulekatolio 'ihe lau 'a e Katolika.   Koe tolotolo atu pe 'a e tafu afii.   daphne

[Sitiveni Faupula]

Malo Seni mo DO e talanoa pea ‘oku ou kau hono tali ‘oku ‘i ai ha feitu’u ko heli. Ka e mahalo ‘e ‘aonga pe ke fkkauatu he talanoa ni ‘a e anga e fkkaukau ‘a e kau Hepelu ‘i he FM ki he ‘uhinga ‘oku mate ai ‘a e tangata/fefine. Pe na’a nau fkkaukau ko e me’a normal pe ‘a e mate, pe ‘oku ‘i ai ha tafa’aki punitive ‘o e mate ‘a e tangata ‘i he ‘enau fkkaukau.

 

tik

 

From: seni taniela

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:27 AM

To: Tasilisili

Subject: [tasilisili] Fw: TVUMC ADULT BIBLE STUDY--'Oku ai nai ha heli?

 

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[Sam Pakofe]

 'OKU iai nai hatau "AONGA "  OR/PE    OKU 'iai nau hatau " Hevani "

          [oku 'i fee hotau 'aonga , 'oku 'i fee hoatu hevani ]
 

'Oku mou pehee 'oku 'ifee kau Sotia ko'eni ne nau mate he taulahi 1, taulahi hono 2 ,moe si'i kau sotia nenau mate koe kau he tau ke malu'i honau takitaha fonua ,, oku mou pehee nai 'oku nau 'ifeee ?

 

            ( 'oku nau 'aonga ? 'oku nau hevani ? )

 

'e fefee fanga ki'i kumaa ko'eni 'e laui miliona kuo nau mate , koe tesi 'aki engaahi experiment faksaienisi ke , fa'u 'aki gaahi faito'o kihe sino koe'ni 'oku tau ma'u he taimi koee 'oku tau puke ai ?

 

(na'a mo'ui ke fakamamahi'i kinautolu koe 'uhi ke tesitesi 'aki e ngaahi fekumi fakafaito''o ,, 'oku nau 'aonga nai ?  'oku nau hevani nai ?)

 

hange kiate au, Oku tau ma'u pe 'a Hevani 'i Mamani .... toki mate atu aipe ka kuo fai e 'aonga eee .

 

teketeke atu pe ..

sami.

 

 

 

 

[Sam Pakofe]

Mou kataki pe, koe sio mali pe 'eni ia oku fai..

 

Koe Siaosi IV ne teunga silver overcoat pea ha'ele moe tokotoko,peau pasipasi pea pehe mai hoku mali, oku 'ikai koe tu'i 'o Tonga iaa, koe fakamatala 'ae kau faifakamafola nenau pehe koe tangata milionea Falanisee ko Mahummad Alfeid, koe lau ia 'ae  kau Faiongoogno channell 9 'a Aust  , ko Muhammad Alfeid ( tamai 'ae tangata milionea ne kau me'a mo Taiana ), pea ne hili pe 'enau ma'u hala toe fakatokanga mai e tokotaha meihe kau  studio , 'oku 'ikai ko Muhammad Alfeid ,,

koia ne ikai ha taha ia tene ilo'ii he kau faiongoogno 'ae c/9 Aust koe tu'i ia 'o Tonga

 

Ka koau kuo pasipasi he vakai atu kihe tu'iTonga Siasi Tupou IV ,,,,, mohono tokotoko..

 

komou tolu oku mou/nemou sio mali, mou toki fakatonutonu mai pe na'e toe hala mo'eku ma'u ia ''a'aku hange koe hala e ma'u e kau faifakamafola 'ae channel 9 'a Aust..

 

 " tau fakatauange pe moe LOtu kena Ma'u ha 'aho Fiefia, moha taimi lahi ihe mo'ui kena fononga'i  lolotonga 'ena siofia 'ae Kaha'u 'o Pilitania moe Kominiueli foki "..

 

 

[Sione M. Veituna]

Sam,
Mahalo ko Aust pe ne ma'u hala he he he he, all the other channels got it right, and it is Siaosi Tupou V ha ha ha

si'i kau pe 'a Tonga he lau, ha ha ha ha,.... hā koā ne 'ikai fakaafe'i ai a Obama ia???

congrats to the newly wed

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From: Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 9:57:04 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] WILL & Kate

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[Sepesi H Piukala]

Malo kuo lava atu e easter, pea kuo taimi e fohifohi he moóni óku íai á e heli. Fakamalo atu kia D O. e fakalotolahi ki he Siasi pea óku tau lotolahi ai ke hoko atu hono malangaí é moúi taéngata óku tuú ía Sisu, he óku moóni kiate kitauolu óku íai áe " Heli " . 

 

takamuli.

 

 

 

Sepesi H. Piukala

Ph: +61401 590 917

Email: sep...@optusnet.com.au

 

Exodus 2:6 Then he said, "I am the God of your Father, the God of Abraham, the God of Issac and the God of Jacob."

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-----Original Message-----
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of seni taniela
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2011 6:27 AM
To: Tasilisili
Subject: [tasilisili] Fw: TVUMC ADULT BIBLE STUDY--'Oku ai nai ha heli?

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[Tuifua, Talanoa]

Obama ‘oku talitali ia ki he me’a mai ‘ae ongo tamaiki ta’ane ki USA ni he next month he ‘oku busy ia he campaign ki he teu fili ‘oe 2012….Neu pasipasi le’olahi mo malimali he ha’ele fakataha mai ‘a King George TupouV moe Sultan ‘o Brunei moe matalalahi foki ‘ae label – King Of Tonga George Tupou V.  ‘Ofa atu Aust Channel 9…..

 

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[Sam Pakofe]

 Malo Ma'anaga mo Tu'ifua ,, ta oku tonu pe 'eku ma'u,,,, 'asili ai koe kau faiongoongo 'a Aust he Channel 9,  ikai tenau taukei ke faiongoongo , pea kuo hake tu'u he fonua ni, 'ae me'a koe ,"'ai'ainoa'ia ' 'ae Media , lahilahi 'enau ngaue'aki e kau Comedian kihe faiongoongo , pea oku nau meimei fuis pe ke fakaoli mo fakakata ..

 

'ofa atu ..

sami.

 

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From: "Tuifua, Talanoa" <Talanoa...@CityofPaloAlto.org>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 30 April, 2011 5:06:41 AM
Subject: RE: [tasilisili] WILL & Kate

Obama ‘oku talitali ia ki he me’a mai ‘ae ongo tamaiki ta’ane ki USA ni he next month he ‘oku busy ia he campaign ki he teu fili ‘oe 2012….Neu pasipasi le’olahi mo malimali he ha’ele fakataha mai ‘a King George TupouV moe Sultan ‘o Brunei moe matalalahi foki ‘ae label – King Of Tonga George Tupou V.  ‘Ofa atu Aust Channel 9…..

 

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From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto: tasil...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sione M. Veituna
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 4:49 AM
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] WILL & Kate

 

Sam,
Mahalo ko Aust pe ne ma'u hala he he he he, all the other channels got it right, and it is Siaosi Tupou V ha ha ha

si'i kau pe 'a Tonga he lau, ha ha ha ha,.... hā koā ne 'ikai fakaafe'i ai a Obama ia???

congrats to the newly wed

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From: Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 9:57:04 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] WILL & Kate

 

Mou kataki pe, koe sio mali pe 'eni ia oku fai..

 

Koe Siaosi IV ne teunga silver overcoat pea ha'ele moe tokotoko,peau pasipasi pea pehe mai hoku mali, oku 'ikai koe tu'i 'o Tonga iaa, koe fakamatala 'ae kau faifakamafola nenau pehe koe tangata milionea Falanisee ko Mahummad Alfeid, koe lau ia 'ae  kau Faiongoogno channell 9 'a Aust  , ko Muhammad Alfeid ( tamai 'ae tangata milionea ne kau me'a mo Taiana ), pea ne hili pe 'enau ma'u hala toe fakatokanga mai e tokotaha meihe kau  studio , 'oku 'ikai ko Muhammad Alfeid ,,

koia ne ikai ha taha ia tene ilo'ii he kau faiongoogno 'ae c/9 Aust koe tu'i ia 'o Tonga

 

Ka koau kuo pasipasi he vakai atu kihe tu'iTonga Siasi Tupou IV ,,,,, mohono tokotoko..

 

komou tolu oku mou/nemou sio mali , mou toki fakatonutonu mai pe na'e toe hala mo'eku ma'u ia ''a'aku hange koe hala e ma'u e kau faifakamafola 'ae channel 9 'a Aust..

 

 " tau fakatauange pe moe LOtu kena Ma'u ha 'aho Fiefia, moha taimi lahi ihe mo'ui kena fononga'i  lolotonga 'ena siofia 'ae Kaha'u 'o Pilitania moe Kominiueli foki "..

 

 

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Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki he tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com
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[seni taniela]

On Fri, 29/4/11, Sepesi H Piukala <sep...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Malo kuo lava atu e easter, pea kuo taimi e fohifohi he moóni óku íai á e heli. Fakamalo atu kia D O. e fakalotolahi ki he Siasi pea óku tau lotolahi ai ke hoko atu hono malangaí é moúi taéngata óku tuú ía Sisu, he óku moóni kiate kitauolu óku íai áe " Heli " .

========================================================== Fehu'i mahu'inga 'e faa o e mo'ui 1) Where do we come from (Question of Origin); 2) Why are we here? (Question of Meaning and Purpose); 3) How can we live together in peace and harmony ( Question of Ethics); pea mo e 4) Where do we go from here? (Question of Destiny). Ka fakahoa e ngaahi tali e ngaahi lotu o mamanii ki he ngaahi fehu'i ko enaa, oku mahino enau kehekehee.  Pea fakatatau ki he law of the non-contradiction -- it is logically impossible for them to be all right.  Either they are all wrong or one of them is right and the rest are wrong.  It's common sense.  Ko e feinga ko ia ke pehee 'oku tatau kotoa pee ngaahi lotu kehe pee ke te faimo'oni he lotu oku te kau ki aii, teu pehee ko e feinga hiki ia mei he common sense ki he non-sense. 'I he'etau talanoa heli/hevanii, oku talanoa ai ki he destiny.  Ko 'etau tali ki ai te ne uesia e mo'ui fakafo'ituitui pehee ki he sosaietii fakalukufua.  Oku mahu'inga foki ke 'oua te tau mo'unofoa pee he feinga ke puka sea 'i hevani kae ngalo e mo'ui he Pule'anga kuo hoko ni mai 'ia Kalaisi ke tau mo'ui'i he lolotonga ni.  Oku lave a 1 Sione 5.11-13 o pehee "Pea ko eni ia a fakamo'onii kuo foaki kiate kitautolu 'e he 'Otuaa a e mo'ui ta'engataa, Ko ia oku ne ma'u a e 'Alo oku ne ma'u 'a e mo'uii, ko ia oku ikai ke ne ma'u 'a e 'Alo 'o e "Otua oku ikai ke ne ma'u 'a e mo'uii.  Ko e ngaahi me'a ko enii kuo tohi atu kiate kimoutolu koe'uhii ke mou ilo oku mou ma'u a e mo'ui ta'engataa."  Kaikehe 'oua na'a ngalo a Sione 17.3  Pea ko eni ia a e mo'ui ta'engataa "Ko e fai ke ilo Ia ko e 'Otua pee 'e taha ..."  Kuo pau ke 'oua na'a disconnect e ongo me'a ko enaa e ua. Tau manatu'i oku ikai ko ha fo'i concept a Kalaisi ke tau lautohi pee fekau'aki mo ia pea otometiki etau ilo iaa.  He is a real Person pea ko Ia pee oku Ne 'ilo'i 'a kinautolu 'oku 'A'anaa, pea ko ia pee te ne faka'ataa ha taha ke 'iloange kiate Ia.  Oku talamai e Isais oku ne 'afio i he potu ma'olunga pea 'i Taukakapa, ka te ne faka'ataa kinautolu oku nau ma'u e loto lavea mo lototoo (humble and contrite hearts).  Lava lelei ke tau lau mo ilo kalisi hepelu etc fekau'aki mo Sisu ka e fuufuu pee e Sisu ia meiate kitautolu, uhinga ia e malava ke iai e kautoketaa tohitapu oku ikai pee ke nau tui 'Otuaa hangee ko Bart Ehrman etc. Malolo a Henelee Puniani ka oku lava ke tau ilo he powerful ene malanga pee ako tohitapu 'alu fakataha mo ene mo'ui faka'Otua pea tau ongo'i oku fakamalumalu ia 'ehe Otua ta'ehaa.  Kaikehe tautalanoa pee ki he ongo feitu'u ni, oua na'a ngalo a e tokotaha oku makatu'unga ai 'etau 'ausia pee ta'e'ausia ai e ongo iku'anga ni

[kolo]

'E lava nai he'e tau talanoa Heli/Hevani ke ki'i fakamahino'i ange 'ae
tu'u 'a Hetesi.(Quest of Destiny). Himi 377.Lave ai 'ae punake 'oku ne
Hau 'i Hetesi.('ikai ko Heli)Hange ai ko Heli ia koe final
Destination.Matamata 'oku 'iai pe ha faingamalie.Koe 'Ipiseli hono ua
'a Pita 'oku lave ai ki he hifo e laumalie 'o Sisu ki Hetesi 'o
malanga ki he ngaahi Laumalie na'e mole 'ihe taimi 'o Noa he Lomaki.
Matamata ko Hetesi ia 'oku tu'u lotoloto ia 'o hange ha talitali
'anga. 'Ihe tohi Fakaha 'oku lave ai 'a Sione 'e puke 'a Setane 'o
seini'i pea li kihe luo ta'e 'iai hano takele.Hange ia 'oku kehe ia
mei Heli.
Fakamolemole na'a kuo 'iai ha halaloto'api atu pea kapau ko ia
fakamolemole atu le'ovao.

Malo moe 'ofa,
Kolo

[Sailosi Alofi]

sami,tala ki he kau faiongongo ho mou feitu'u ke tuku e faka'aluma pea 'ai mo e matasio'ata ke hange ko e kau faiongo 'a mamani e toe si'i ke tui'i'aki nautolu ha fu'u vaka ee.

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Date: Fri, 29 Apu'r 2011 13:39:57 -0700
From: pak...@yahoo.com.au

Subject: Re: [tasilisili] WILL & Kate

To: tasil...@googlegroups.com

 Malo Ma'anaga mo Tu'ifua ,, ta oku tonu pe 'eku ma'u,,,, 'asili ai koe kau faiongoongo 'a Aust he Channel 9,  ikai tenau taukei ke faiongoongo , pea kuo hake tu'u he fonua ni, 'ae me'a koe ,"'ai'ainoa'ia ' 'ae Media , lahilahi 'enau ngaue'aki e kau Comedian kihe faiongoongo , pea oku nau meimei fuis pe ke fakaoli mo fakakata ..

 

'ofa atu ..

sami.

 

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From: "Tuifua, Talanoa" <Talanoa...@CityofPaloAlto.org>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 30 April, 2011 5:06:41 AM
Subject: RE: [tasilisili] WILL & Kate

Obama 'oku talitali ia ki he me'a mai 'ae ongo tamaiki ta'ane ki USA ni he next month he 'oku busy ia he campaign ki he teu fili 'oe 2012..Neu pasipasi le'olahi mo malimali he ha'ele fakataha mai 'a King George TupouV moe Sultan 'o Brunei moe matalalahi foki 'ae label - King Of Tonga George Tupou V.  'Ofa atu Aust Channel 9...

 

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From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto: tasil...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sione M. Veituna
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 4:49 AM
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] WILL & Kate

 

Sam,
Mahalo ko Aust pe ne ma'u hala he he he he, all the other channels got it right, and it is Siaosi Tupou V ha ha ha

si'i kau pe 'a Tonga he lau, ha ha ha ha,.... hīŋŊ koīŋŊ ne 'ikai fakaafe'i ai a Obama ia???