Kataki, 'oku totonu pe ke tau hoha'a ki he tupu 'a e Mamonga kae holo
hotau tokolahi.
Pea 'oku mo'oni 'a e lau 'a Pope 'i he me'a ni. Ko e founga 'a e
Mamonga, ko e founga faka-Sisu Kalaisi ia pea 'oku taau ke tau ako
kotoa pe mei ai - 'a e a'u ki ai mo e tokanga'i e kau masiva 'o e
Siasi ke 'oua 'e fakatetenga kinautolu kae fakaai honau masiva'anga.
Hoha'a ki ai Koloti, he 'oku mahino ai 'oku 'ikai te tau fai e me'a
totonu ke tau fai. Tautautefito eni kiate kitautolu 'a e kau faifekau.
Ko hono faingata'a eni 'o e tokanga ki he holo 'a e tokolahi 'o e
Siasi, he 'oku 'ikai te tau tui kitautolu kau faifekau ki ai - ka ko
kitautolu ia 'oku totonu ke tau 'uluaki tali pea hoha'a 'i he tu'unga
ko ia.
Ka 'oku totonu ke tau tui ki ai pea tau ongo'i halaia kotoa pe 'i he
'ikai te tau fai e me'a 'oku talamai 'e Sisu 'ia Matiu 28:19-20.
'Oku 'ikai ko ha me'a fakakuonga ia. Ko e me'a ki he tokolahi 'a
Hevani, ko e me'a mahu'inga mo'oni ia. Kae fefe kapau 'oku hoko 'a e
afe 'a e kakai ki he Mamonga ke fakatokolahi ai 'a Heli ia ('a ia foki
'oku ou tui 'aupito ki ai)?
Ta 'oku 'ikai totonu ke tau kei fakafiefiemalie 'akitautolu kau
faifekau, ka kuo tonu ke liliu 'etau founga ngaue 'o fa'ifa'itaki ki
he Mamonga.
Si'oto'ofaatu.
On 6/17/11, Sione 'Atupuha Koloti <sako...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/6/17 Iki Pope <iki....@tonganyouth.org.nz>
>
>> 'oku tau fa'a lave lahi foki ihe kuohilii ki he mamongaa mo 'ene kehekehe
>> kia kitautoluu...ka ko hono 'analasioo kou fanongo ki aii kuo holo hotau
>> siasii kae tupu e mamongaa ia. Ko e fakalea 'e tahaa sai ange e ngaue
>> fakalaumalie 'a e mamongaa he 'oku tupu nautolu matamata 'okuj 'ikai lelei
>> ha'atautoluu motolo he 'oku tau holo tautolu.
>>
>> Mahu'inga foki 'o e fa'atokanga ki he "rise" mo e "decline" 'a e mamonga &
> SUTT. Ka 'oku mo'oni ko e ongo processes fakakuonga pe. Pea 'oku fai pe
> tokanga ka 'oku 'ikai fai ha hoha'a. 'Oku fakailifia mai 'enau strategy
> ['alunoa'iatautautokoua], ka 'oku fakakoloa mo fakamonu 'etau me'a
> ['alufano-pe-'a-Laumalie-taukapo].
>
> Ko ia tuku pe ke 'alu honau tokolahi ke tau, pea hifo kinautolu kae 'alu
> hake Penitelosi ia, pea tau 'o hifo kae 'alu hake SUTT ia. Hange 'oku
> ma'uma'uluta ki he hake-tau-hifo-hake-tau-hifo [cyclic] 'o talitali aipe ki
> he hoko mai 'a mo'oni...Sisu Kalaisi!
>
> vakai atuange pe 'oku tupu e tokolahi 'o hevani!
>
> ma'u ha Tolu-taha'i-'Otua mohu mo'oni!!
> koloti
>
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Ma'afu Palu
"Love endures all things" Saul of Tarsus d. AD 64.
'Ikai te ke pehe ke tuku ke hao atu ai leva 'etau motu'a na mo hono
siasi, na'a faifai pe kae fiema'u ke ta oo 'o kole ki ai...
'Oku ou tui au 'e mahino ange kapau 'e tuku kia Niuleka mo me'a ke tau
faka'auliliki mai e hisitolia e kainga lotu na.
Ko e me'a pe he 'oku hangehange kiate au ia ko Niuleka 'oku ai hono
sea fakalava 'o'ona he kainga lotu na. Hehehe.
Si'oto'ofaatu.
Ta 'oku 'ikai totonu ke tau kei fakafiefiemalie 'akitautolu kau
>>faifekau, ka kuo tonu ke liliu 'etau founga ngaue 'o fa'ifa'itaki ki
>>he Mamonga.
On Fri, 17/6/11, Tevita Finau <tfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
f) Neongo 'oku 'iai pe 'a e vaivai'anga 'o e mamonga 'o hange pe ko hotau ngaahi siasi ka ko hoku kainga toto tokolahi 'oku nau 'alu atu pe kinautolu 'o 'oho fefeka ange ai he taimi na'a nau Uesiliana ai.
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Malo Tevita pea 'oku mo'oni 'aupito e lau ko 'enii.
'Oku tokotaha pee hoku ta'okete ne ma ako Tupouto'a pee mo Toloa pea 'osi pee pea mali Mamonga pea Maamonga ai pee 'o a'u ki he 'aho ni. Hala'ataa ha'ane kau ha me'a hotau siasii, ka ko e momeniti pee 'ene Mamonga, vave 'ene "kaka" honau Siasii pea ko e 'aho ni oku tokoni pisope atu 'i Campbelltown, Aust.
Sio tonu 'i Nomuka he ni'ihi hotau siasii ne nau takai holo pee, hala'ataa ha commitment ki hotau siasii, 'ohovale pee kuo nau liliu 'o Mamonga, pea nau committed die-harded Mormon.
Tau fehu'i pee ko e haa 'uhinga ne 'ikai 'oho fefeka ai hotau ni'ihi ko 'enii lolotonga 'enau kei 'i hotau siasii, ka nau toki oo 'oho fefeka he ngaahi siasi kuo nau tafoki ki ai.
Fele 'a e ngaahu 'uhinga kehekehe kae 'oatu pee ngaahi fakamahamahalo ko 'enii. 'Uluaki, taimi ne nau 'i hotau siasii ai, ko e tui pe makatu'unga he ko e me'a ia ne 'ohake ai iaa (proper basic belief), kae 'ikai ha'i'aki 'a e reason etc. Hangee ko e lave he tepile Trinity, ko e ha'u pee ha tui 'e taha 'o pole'i e tui na'ate tui mo iaa, pea 'uhinga malieange e tui fo'ouu--the new faith defeats the old faith..pea ko e li'aki ia e tui motu'aa.
Ua, kapau 'oku te'eki fakapapau'i 'e hotau kau memipaa honau Fakamo'uii monau hiva with conviction e himi 'iloa, "'Oi keu tala hoku monuu, kuo te ma'u 'a e fanau'ifo'ou...Hoku Monuu e 'eku koloa, 'ete ongo'i he taimi kotoa...fakamo'oni fakapapau 'afio 'a e 'Eikii 'iate au..." kuo pau pee ke nau 'auhia. Kapau 'oku hangee ko e fa'alave a Ma'afu, 'oku 'ikai ke fakapapau'i 'e hotau kau memipaa 'oku nau tali hotau 'Eikii ke hoko mai i hono Laumalie Ma'oni'oni 'o 'Afio hotau loto..pea tau a'usia 'a e me'a ne fakamamafa'i e Sione Uesile koee fefakamo'oni'aki e Laumalie Ma'oni mo hotau laumalie ko e fanau 'a kitautolu 'a e 'Otuaa, te tau 'auhia pee he ngaahi tui matamata lelei hotau mamanii.
Tolu, poto ange Siasi Mamongaa hono teu'i, pole'i, mo hono tanumaki hono kau memipaa etc. 'A'ahi atu ki he'enau lotuu 'o sio ki he lele mafana 'a e lautohi fakaSapate 'a e kau Puletapuu, Fine'ofaa, etc...oku nau value hono kau memipaa etc.
Faa, mo'ui 'enau va'a ngaue fakamisinalee--mission oriented.
Oku ai lau 'oku pehee, "Ko ha siasi 'oku 'ikai ngaue fakamisinale, 'e hoko e siasi ko iaa ko e mala'e ngaue ke fai e ngaue fakamisinalee." We become a missionfield since we don't send missionaries. Ko e taimi pee kuo in grown. self centered ai e siasii, te tau sio ki he fele 'ikai toe matuku atu 'etau ngaahi palopalema fakalokolooo. Ko 'etau sausaamate pee i loto ki he movete...pea tau fiu 'a feinga ke fakaului hotau kau memipaa, pea toe ha'u kau gaue fakamisinale e ngaahi siasi kehee 'o ngaue fakamisinale hotau loto'i siasii o tufi atu hotau kakaii. Faka'amu pee ke to e awaken e mission hotau siasii.
Mei he 'uhiga ko 'enaa oku underchallenge hotau siasii.. vakai ki he 'alu a kau talavou e Mamonga ki he mission field...our young people are waiting to invest their lives in something noble etc...pea tui a Hopoate his faith is not only a belief but a conviction. We live for our beliefs, but we will die for our conviction.
Tau toe vakai'i pee founga hotau siasii, kae'oua e vave ki he pehee ko e 'alu si'i kakai ko 'enii ko e tufa mahoa'a e ngaahi siasii. Pea kapau ko ia, then it's worth it.
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Mei he 'uhiga ko 'enaa oku underchallenge hotau siasii.. vakai ki he 'alu a kau talavou e Mamonga ki he mission field...our young people are waiting to invest their lives in something noble etc...pea tui a Hopoate his faith is not only a belief but a conviction. We live for our beliefs, but we will die for our conviction.
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Hala'ataa ha'ane kau ha me'a hotau siasii, ka ko e momeniti pee 'ene Mamonga, vave 'ene "kaka" honau Siasii pea ko e 'aho ni oku tokoni pisope atu 'i Campbelltown, Aust.
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‘okju ou tui ki he fakakaukau ko eni ‘a Ma’afu ‘oku ke highlight ‘e Tevita. Ka ‘okapau te tau fehu’I koehaa ‘oku fakafiefiemalie ai e kau faifekauu??? Kou tui ko e tali kiaii ‘e fakafeitu’uu pee ‘o fakatatau ki he context ‘oku tau ngaue aii. ‘I Nu’u sila ni ko kinautolu ‘oku ‘ihe ngaahi siasi papalangii ‘oku ‘ikai ke ‘iai ha me’a ia ko e fakafiefiemalie ai he ko e ‘ikai pee ke te perform ko e tuku ia ‘ehe siasii kitu’a pea ko ‘ete toe fiu kumi ai ha’ate potungauee pea kapau ‘e sai ‘ete ngauee ko e kiii ia ki hono fiema’u ‘o ‘ete ministry ‘e he ngaahi potu siasii. Pea kapau ‘e ‘eke ki he kau faifekau tonga ‘ihe local ministry kou tui ko e tali ki aii ‘oku kehe ia pea ‘oku kau ai e ‘uhinga ‘oku te’eki fao’ii ‘ehe system ia ha motolo ke uki’aki ‘a e performance ‘a e kau faifekau ‘amusia kinautolu ‘okju nau inukava he lolotonga e uike pea po’uli loolooa faufaua he ‘aho hono hokoo. Ka ‘I he taimi tatau pee ‘e lea mai e kau faifekau ‘oku mau perform pee ‘o fakatatau ki homau totongii pee ccontract/covenant.
Pea ko e taimi ‘e taha ko e performance ‘a e kau faifekau ‘oku ne fakafuo ai ‘a e me’a na’e fai’aki honau teui’ii. A ia ko e poini te tau lava ‘o control ke hiki ai e fuaa.. kaekehe…
Kapau ko tonga ia ‘e kehe ‘a e tali ki ai…1) ko e sio pee nai eni ia mei tu’a… ‘ikai ke ‘iai ha system ke fefeka fe’unga ki hono review ‘a e kau faifekau kae ngaue’aki pee ‘a e fehikitakii ‘iha ta’u pee nai ‘e 3;
2) system ‘o e fehikitaki ‘e fiemalie ai pee e faifekau ia he koe’uhii ‘e kei ma’u pee ‘ene ngaue kapau ‘e ‘ikai ke perform he ‘e kei hiki pee ia ki ha parish ‘e taha;
‘I he ‘ene pehee leva kou tui ‘oku totonu ke hiki e fakakaukauuu mei hono siofi ‘a e performance ‘a e kau faifekauu ‘a ee ‘oku lau ‘e Ma’afuu ki ha category ‘e taha ‘e lava ai ke lava ‘ehe system ‘o control ‘a e performance mo e fakalakalaka ‘a e ngaue ‘a e kau faifekauu. Eg. hangee ko ‘eku lau ‘I ‘olungaa ki he teui’ii… ko sia’aotutai tene lava ‘o fai mei ai e liliuu…ko e taimi ko ee na’e faingata’aa he na’e siisii he resource ke faiaki e fekumiii ka ‘ihe taimi ni kuo faufaua…internet , omi o ako I muli ni, media mo e haa fua ‘e lava ke fai ai e teu’I ‘o e kau faifekauu ki he ngaue mo e motolo ‘e ‘aonga ange ki he mo’ui ‘a e kakaii ‘I he ‘aatakai ‘o e ‘aho niii…ko ia kapau te tau pee ‘oku tupu e issue mei he fakafiefiemalie (slack) ‘a e kau faifekauu he’ikai ke tau control ‘e tau tolu ‘a e fklakalakaa he teu teke’I ki he kau faifekau…ka ‘okapau ‘e pehee …tau fa’u e me’a ‘e perform ai e kau faifekau mo e me’a ke perform ‘aki ‘ehe kau faifekau pea te tau lava leva ‘o control mo pule’I ‘a e performance ‘a e kau faifekauu..mahalo ‘oku natula tatau mo e fa’u policy heni ‘a e pule’angaa mo e ngaahi departments..
Ko e fehui mahu’inga ‘e veituna ‘a e fehu’I mahu’inga koehaa ‘oku tupu ai e ngaahi siasii toki langaa ‘ihotau ngaahi siasii ‘a ia ko e elia ‘oku totonu ke fekumi ai ‘a veituna pea ne ohi ai ma motolo ke foki mai mo ia ki sia’atoutai…pea palopalema ‘oku identify ‘e maafu mo fakapulia mei siatoutaii pea kou tui ko e solova koe teu’ii e kau faifekau mo e kau akoo ke nau lava ‘o solova e palopalema ‘aki ‘ ae me’a ‘oku teu’I kinautolu ki ai ‘ihe kolisii he taimi ni. Koma pee mei he fuu malnga loloa ko eni ha ha ha
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tevita Finau
Sent: Saturday, 18 June 2011 11:54 a.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Hoha'a ki he holo 'a e Tokolahi 'o e SUTT
Dr Ma'afu Palu wrote;
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Sione malo e ngaue mei hena.
#14. none of the above. sh.
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Koloti malie lahi hoo ngaahi fokotu’utu’uu pea kou tui ki ai ka kou manako (fall in love) mo e poini koee ko e mufti pea mo e budget;
Kuo taimi ke toe huke ‘a e ngaahi foungaa…hangee ko hoo lauu mafti e teunga mo e lau ki he tokateline ‘o Fakatou tatau pee pea fai e me’a ‘oku tau fai tatau aii kae tuku ange ‘a e kehekehee….na’a ku manatu’I ‘I he ‘eku kei sia’atoutaii na’a mau fe’alu’aki ai mo e kalapu ‘a e kau faiako mo e kau ngaue ‘a Liahona na’e tu’u ‘I Kahoua. Na’a nau omi ki he faifekau ko Toa finau ki hono fale kalapu na’e tuu ‘I Petani. Pea vaa ofi ‘aupito ‘a e fengaue’aki he inu kavaa…na’e fkmahino pee ‘e Toa ko e kehekehe ‘etau tui fakalotuuu he’ikai ke ‘omai ia ki fale kalapu ni . Ko e fehuii koehaa ‘oku lava ai he inu kavaa kae ‘ikai lava he lotuu.
Na’e ‘alu e ‘aahi kakai ‘a sia’atoutai ki niua mo niua mo tafahi na’a ku lele ai…ko e me’a matamatalelei ko e ngaue fakataha ‘a e ngaahi siasi kau ai e mamongaa ka koehaa ‘oku ‘ikai lava ai ‘I tonga ‘eikii??
Kou tui ko Sia’atoutai ‘e kamata mei ai e liliu ‘aki hono ohi atu ha motolo ke ‘oange ki he kau faifekau ‘oe kaha’uu…he ka ‘ikai ‘e kei hokohoko atu pee ‘a e holoo…’oku ‘ikai foki ko ha me’a faingofua ka ‘oku mo’oni pee ‘a e punakee ko e faitoo pee ‘e lava ko e taa’I hoto ‘ofa’angaa.. Faingofua ‘a tonga ia he ‘oku kei pule’I pee mei ‘olunga…ko e pehee pee ‘a ‘olunga liliuu ko e liliuu ia…
Koloti ko e budget mo’oni ‘aupito ia pea ‘ai mo ha fanga kii fakananivi ‘a ee tene fkmafana’I e feohii ko ee ‘oku mo’oniii mo mo’uiii …ko e tali lotu ‘ouaaa fkmafana e ha’uha’ulu ‘a e ngaahi lotuu pea ‘osi ange ko iaa ko e fu’u koto ‘ea ‘ata’ataaa peee he ‘oku ‘ave e mea’ kotoa ‘o hilii he ‘eaa ke toki ala hifo ki ai e ‘otua ‘o tokoni tokua….kae fefee e me’a kuo ‘osi fkkofu’aki ‘ehe ‘otuaa ki tautolu ‘o hangee ko e ‘atamai leleii (wisdom) ke fa’u ‘aki ia ‘a e ngaahi founga ngaue (policy, strategic plan) mo e haa fua ke fakalele’I mo fakalele’aki ‘etau ngauee…faofao pe pope
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sione 'Atupuha Koloti
Sent: Monday, 20 June 2011 10:25 a.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
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Koloti malie lahi hoo ngaahi fokotu’utu’uu pea kou tui ki ai ka kou manako (fall in love) mo e poini koee ko e mufti pea mo e budget;
Kuo taimi ke toe huke ‘a e ngaahi foungaa…hangee ko hoo lauu mafti e teunga mo e lau ki he tokateline ‘o Fakatou tatau pee pea fai e me’a ‘oku tau fai tatau aii kae tuku ange ‘a e kehekehee….na’a ku manatu’I ‘I he ‘eku kei sia’atoutaii na’a mau fe’alu’aki ai mo e kalapu ‘a e kau faiako mo e kau ngaue ‘a Liahona na’e tu’u ‘I Kahoua. Na’a nau omi ki he faifekau ko Toa finau ki hono fale kalapu na’e tuu ‘I Petani. Pea vaa ofi ‘aupito ‘a e fengaue’aki he inu kavaa…na’e fkmahino pee ‘e Toa ko e kehekehe ‘etau tui fakalotuuu he’ikai ke ‘omai ia ki fale kalapu ni . Ko e fehuii koehaa ‘oku lava ai he inu kavaa kae ‘ikai lava he lotuu.
Na’e ‘alu e ‘aahi kakai ‘a sia’atoutai ki niua mo niua mo tafahi na’a ku lele ai…ko e me’a matamatalelei ko e ngaue fakataha ‘a e ngaahi siasi kau ai e mamongaa ka koehaa ‘oku ‘ikai lava ai ‘I tonga ‘eikii??
Kou tui ko Sia’atoutai ‘e kamata mei ai e liliu ‘aki hono ohi atu ha motolo ke ‘oange ki he kau faifekau ‘oe kaha’uu…he ka ‘ikai ‘e kei hokohoko atu pee ‘a e holoo…’oku ‘ikai foki ko ha me’a faingofua ka ‘oku mo’oni pee ‘a e punakee ko e faitoo pee ‘e lava ko e taa’I hoto ‘ofa’angaa.. Faingofua ‘a tonga ia he ‘oku kei pule’I pee mei ‘olunga…ko e pehee pee ‘a ‘olunga liliuu ko e liliuu ia…
Koloti ko e budget mo’oni ‘aupito ia pea ‘ai mo ha fanga kii fakananivi ‘a ee tene fkmafana’I e feohii ko ee ‘oku mo’oniii mo mo’uiii …ko e tali lotu ‘ouaaa fkmafana e ha’uha’ulu ‘a e ngaahi lotuu pea ‘osi ange ko iaa ko e fu’u koto ‘ea ‘ata’ataaa peee he ‘oku ‘ave e mea’ kotoa ‘o hilii he ‘eaa ke toki ala hifo ki ai e ‘otua ‘o tokoni tokua….kae fefee e me’a kuo ‘osi fkkofu’aki ‘ehe ‘otuaa ki tautolu ‘o hangee ko e ‘atamai leleii (wisdom) ke fa’u ‘aki ia ‘a e ngaahi founga ngaue (policy, strategic plan) mo e haa fua ke fakalele’I mo fakalele’aki ‘etau ngauee…faofao pe pope
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sione 'Atupuha Koloti
Sent: Monday, 20 June 2011 10:25 a.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
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Faifekau Ma'afu Palu mo e kau tangata...... fakamafana atu 'a e ngaahi lafoo he paenga ni.
Ki'I kau atu pe mu'a he fifili he holo 'a e tokolahi 'o 'etau kautaha 'oku tau mate 'ofa ai 'a e"SUTT", Mahino kapau 'oku holo pea te tau fifili :
- kuo nga vaivai nai 'a e makatu'unga 'o e kautaha 'oku ui ko e SUTT ?(Foundation);
- kuo 'ikai toe manakoa nai 'a e fa'ahinga koloa (product) 'oku ngaohi 'e he kautaha motu'a 'oku ui ko e SUTT ?;
-kuo a'u nai ki he tu'unga kuo fu'u motu'a 'a e koloa (expire) 'oku ma'u 'e he kautaha SUTT pea kuo kumi koloa fo'ou nai 'a e kau fakatau ia ?;
- Na'a kuo fu'u ma'ama'a ange pea malohi ange mo lelei ange 'a e ngaahi koloa 'a e ngaahi kautaha kehee ?;
- Koe ha nai 'a e lau 'a e kakai , kuo nau 'alu pehe ai ?????
Kau tangata, 'oku 'i ai ha'a tau va'a ko e R&D???? na'e kau nai eni he ngaahi taumu'a ki Nafualu pe 'ikai?????
'ofa ke mou ma'u ha Sapate lelei, pea mou lava atu ki he ngaahi ma'u'anga kelesi.
Tongi.
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From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maafu Palu
Sent: Friday, 17 June 2011 12:55 p.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Hoha'a ki he holo 'a e Tokolahi 'o e SUTT
Koloti,
Kataki, 'oku totonu pe ke tau hoha'a ki he tupu 'a e Mamonga kae holo hotau tokolahi.
Pea 'oku mo'oni 'a e lau 'a Pope 'i he me'a ni. Ko e founga 'a e Mamonga, ko e founga faka-Sisu Kalaisi ia pea 'oku taau ke tau ako kotoa pe mei ai - 'a e a'u ki ai mo e tokanga'i e kau masiva 'o e Siasi ke 'oua 'e fakatetenga kinautolu kae fakaai honau masiva'anga.
Hoha'a ki ai Koloti, he 'oku mahino ai 'oku 'ikai te tau fai e me'a totonu ke tau fai. Tautautefito eni kiate kitautolu 'a e kau faifekau.
Ko hono faingata'a eni 'o e tokanga ki he holo 'a e tokolahi 'o e Siasi, he 'oku 'ikai te tau tui kitautolu kau faifekau ki ai - ka ko kitautolu ia 'oku totonu ke tau 'uluaki tali pea hoha'a 'i he tu'unga ko ia.
Ka 'oku totonu ke tau tui ki ai pea tau ongo'i halaia kotoa pe 'i he 'ikai te tau fai e me'a 'oku talamai 'e Sisu 'ia Matiu 28:19-20.
'Oku 'ikai ko ha me'a fakakuonga ia. Ko e me'a ki he tokolahi 'a Hevani, ko e me'a mahu'inga mo'oni ia. Kae fefe kapau 'oku hoko 'a e afe 'a e kakai ki he Mamonga ke fakatokolahi ai 'a Heli ia ('a ia foki 'oku ou tui 'aupito ki ai)?
Ta 'oku 'ikai totonu ke tau kei fakafiefiemalie 'akitautolu kau faifekau, ka kuo tonu ke liliu 'etau founga ngaue 'o fa'ifa'itaki ki he Mamonga.
Si'oto'ofaatu.
On 6/17/11, Sione 'Atupuha Koloti <sako...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/6/17 Iki Pope <iki....@tonganyouth.org.nz>
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>> 'oku tau fa'a lave lahi foki ihe kuohilii ki he mamongaa mo 'ene
>> kehekehe kia kitautoluu...ka ko hono 'analasioo kou fanongo ki aii
>> kuo holo hotau siasii kae tupu e mamongaa ia. Ko e fakalea 'e tahaa
>> sai ange e ngaue fakalaumalie 'a e mamongaa he 'oku tupu nautolu
>> matamata 'okuj 'ikai lelei ha'atautoluu motolo he 'oku tau holo tautolu.
>>
>> Mahu'inga foki 'o e fa'atokanga ki he "rise" mo e "decline" 'a e
>> mamonga &
> SUTT. Ka 'oku mo'oni ko e ongo processes fakakuonga pe. Pea 'oku fai
> pe tokanga ka 'oku 'ikai fai ha hoha'a. 'Oku fakailifia mai 'enau
> strategy ['alunoa'iatautautokoua], ka 'oku fakakoloa mo fakamonu 'etau
> me'a ['alufano-pe-'a-Laumalie-taukapo].
>
> Ko ia tuku pe ke 'alu honau tokolahi ke tau, pea hifo kinautolu kae
> 'alu hake Penitelosi ia, pea tau 'o hifo kae 'alu hake SUTT ia. Hange
> 'oku ma'uma'uluta ki he hake-tau-hifo-hake-tau-hifo [cyclic] 'o
> talitali aipe ki he hoko mai 'a mo'oni...Sisu Kalaisi!
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> vakai atuange pe 'oku tupu e tokolahi 'o hevani!
>
> ma'u ha Tolu-taha'i-'Otua mohu mo'oni!!
> koloti
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Fai atu e ki'i talaloto ko 'eni.
I he'eku foomu nima he Tupou High neu nofo Ha'akame hoku first cousin n'ae pisope Mamonga. Taimi ko 'enii, ko e meimei kotoa hoku famili ne nau ha'u mei motu 'o nofo hoku cousin ko enii kuo pau pee ke papi, kau ai hoku ta'oketee koe'uhii ne nofo'anga sister e api hoku cousin pisope ko enii pea ko e kau sisitaa ngaue fakamisinale ko enii ne nau fai hono papi hoku familii mei motu ne nau nofohili mai ki hoku tokoua pisope ko enii.
I he'eku hiki atu ki aii, ne 'osi e taimi ngaue e hoa sister('oku nau tautau tokoua) e nima mo hono ako'i au kae 'ikai pee keu tali ke papi au. Pea ko e uhinga lalahi e ua ne
ikai keu tali aii. Uluakii, neu lau e au e fanga ki'i tohi fekauaki mo e Mamongaa ne tufa holo e Isi Taukolo o a'uange ki Nomuka etc ou ilo ai e ngaahi me'a he hisitolia a e Mamonga hangee ko e mali tokolahi a Samita mo Pilikihami Iongi mo enau lau oku mala'ia e kau kili uli'ulii kae talunga mo hono fakailo fakapule'anga kinautolu he laulanu pea liliu ai enau tokateline ko iaa...pea ko e taimi kotoa pee ne ai haku ako'i neu 'oangee e ngaahi fehu'i ne ikai lava hano tali lelei. I was not satisfied intellectually and totally convinced as a teenager
their faith is not of God koe'uhii I was well informed.
Ne 'iai e ongo sister ne fai emau talanoa he paaki motu'a mo e paaki fo'ou pea na talamai ko e paaki fo'ouu ko e fakalahi ki he tohitapuu pea u talaange ko e fakalahii a e tohi Molomonaa. Ne fai emau fakafekikii peau pehee atu, teu lava e auu 'o tutu homou tohi Molomonaa ka kou tui heikai temo lava o tutu emau paaki fo'ouu...pea na talamai heikai teu lava. Ko ia ne alu e sisitaa e taha o kumi masi kae mono mai e he sisitaa e taha ene tohi Molomona. Neu si'i tutu e tohi Molomonaa, ka na si'i sio pee ki he vela mamaalie ngaahi peesii..pea pehee mai e sisitaa e taha mei Fo'uii, te ke fakasesele, pea ko e sisitaa mei Felemeaa na'e ne talatuki'i au teu too he sivii, ko eku foomu nimaa ia.
Hili mei ai e ta'u e taha neu fetaulaki mo e sisitaa mei Fo'uii i Nukualofa kuo osi mei he ngaue fakamisinalee ka kuo si'i feitama talamai ehe famili Mamonga neu nofo ai ko e fa'ele tu'utamaki pea taimi tatau neu fanongo talanoa pee he api neu nofo ai ko e sisitaa mei Felemea ne mali siasi Tonga ia pea kuo siasi Tonga ia. Ka ne lava pee eku sivii 'aku peau toutou check e fo'i moto e misinii (a hoku 'utoo) ne kei function pee!!!
I he tutuku Tisema neu alu ki motu ohovale he laku holo i api e Tohi Tokateline moe Fuakava, Mata'itofe Mahu'inga, Tohi Molomona etc. ko e aluange mo hoku ta'okete ka ne ikai motu he taimi ko iaa. Ne fai eku fakama'a homau motu'i falee peau tanaki fakalelei si'i ngaahi tohi ni o tuku atu ki he tu'unga veve. Ne kaikaila mai eku fa'ee ke tuku he ngaahi tohi fakalotu etc. peau pehee atu ko e sisu kehe eni i he ngaahi tohi ko 'eni...pea toe tafulu mai eku fa'ee peau pehee atu, oku ua pee me'a keu filii ki ai he taimi ni, kapau oku mo'onii e ngaahi tohi ko 'enii, taa oku loi etau ngaaahi tohii, pea kapau oku mo'onii etau ngaahi tohii taa oku loi e ngaahi tohi ko enii, peau pehee atu oku ke loto keu alu mo au o Mamonga? Ne si'i longo ai pee fine'eikii. Ko ia ne hoko atu ai pee 'eku religious cleansing!!
Oku ikai keu pehee oku lelei e me'a na'aku faii. Oku ta'efakaKalisitiane pea insensitive ke tau faipehee ki ha tohi o ha fa'ahinga lotu ke te tutu publicly pea tala kia kinautolu e me'a na'ate faii. Oku taau ke tau faka'apa'apa ki he ngaahi lotu kehee, pea kapau neu ma'u e mahino he 'aho nii, ne ikai keu fai pehee. Pea kapau teu fai pehee he'ikai teu fai fakahaahaa mo tala ki he kau memipaa e ngaahi lotu kehee e me'a neu fai ki he'enau tohii. |
Malo Kalolo,koe ki'i fakatataa 'e taha 'oku hange Siasi ha falekai,kapau 'oku 'ikai fie kai ai e kakai pea mahino leva taa 'oku 'iai e falekai 'e taha 'oku nau sa'ia hono me'akai.'ofa atu.sh.
Sh,
Mahalo ‘oku kiki tatau pe ngaahi falekai ia – ko e founga hono kuki pea mo e kau ngaue ‘i peito! Ke ki’i fklelei’i. Kuo lahi foki bbq, ‘ene hake mai ka ‘oku lahi pe foki ‘a e sai’ia ‘a e ni’ihi he hakakili siaine he ‘oku kainga ia mo e kofu kolukalu (hhf).
‘Oku ‘iai ‘a e ‘uhinga ‘a e kau ‘a e tokolahi ki ha siasi. Pea ko e ngaahi ‘uhinga lelei pe ia ‘o felave’i mo ‘enau mahino pea mo e me’a ‘oku ne fktau’ataina’i kinautolu mei ha fa’ahinga ivi ‘oku ne ha’i ‘enau mo’ui. Pea kuo lahi ‘a e ngaahi ‘uhinga lelei kuo ‘ohake he’e kau taukei he fale ni pea malo ia. Mahalo ko e me’a koee te tau ala lava koeha ha’a tau me’a ‘e fai ke manakoa ai hotau Falekai na’a ne fafanga mai ‘a e to’utangata mei he kuohili, he ko e kuonga kai filifili ‘eni ‘o fktatau ki he kau kai palanisi pea mo kinautolu ‘oku ma’u ‘enau $. Fk’ofa kau masiva, kau paea, kau tukuhausia, kau fkeve, kau tufi momo – ka ko e momo – ‘oku ma’u pe ai ‘a e mo’ui.
Ko e me’a pe Sifa na’a ‘oku lahi ‘a e kai ta’elotu ‘i he’etau falekai! Heheee!
Ma’u.
Semisi Ta'ai
Dr Ma'afu Palu wrote;
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> > > > > >Ta 'oku 'ikai totonu ke tau kei fakafiefiemalie 'akitautolu kau
> > > > > >>>>faifekau, ka kuo tonu ke liliu 'etau founga ngaue 'o
> fa'ifa'itaki ki
> > > > > >>>>he Mamonga.
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> > > > > >'Oatu pe fanga ki'i talanoa ko'eni:
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> > > > > >a) Na'e lea hua 'a Rev Kilifi heimuli he polotu konifelenisi 'i
> Saione,
> > > > > >Nuku'alofa 'o pa'usi'i hono tokoua faifekau na'e nofo he fu'u
fale
> fungavakaua,
> > > > > >pea fakaofiofi pe 'eku manatuu ki he lea 'a 'a Kilifi "pea tangi
> mo ui mo ui
> > > > > >hake e sipii ki he tauhi-sipii kae 'ikai pe ongo'i hifo ia mei
> 'olunga 'ehe
> > > > > >tauhi-sipii, fe'unga mo e lue lalo mai 'a e "ongo
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Malie light ko hoo toki light mo’oni ia…..mooni aupito kuo taimi ke hiki hotau kau ‘aa mei he fkngatangata fakakau’aa ki he fekau’aki ‘a e ngaahi kau ‘aaa ‘o ngaue fktaha kae tuku ai pee ‘ae kehekehee ia. ‘I he fakakaukau koee mo e ilifia na’a tau fakatonuki ‘a e mamongaa kae fakahalaki kitautolu sutt; kou pehee ‘oku tonu pee e mamonga ia ‘iate ia pee ‘o tatau pee mo e sutt ka ‘oku fktou ‘iai pee ‘ae toonounou ai mo e kehekehe ‘o fktou tatau pee.
Pea ‘ihe taimi tatau pee ‘oku fktou fonu pee ‘a e ongo feleokoo he me’a leleii ‘a ee ‘oku fakatou ‘inasi ai pee ‘a e ongo lotofalee; ko e me’a koee ‘e faii ko ‘etau tukuange ‘etau kehekehee ke fktou nofo pee ia ‘I hono lotofale ka tau feako’aki mo fetokoni’aki …he kuo femali’aki ‘etau fanauu mo hotau ngaahi familii pea ko e lotofale ‘oe mamongaa kuo fonu sutt pea ‘oku ‘iai pee mo e tupu’I mamonga ia he sutt ‘oku nau fai mateaki ai.
Light…kuo haa ‘a pulela’aa ..ko e me’a ia ‘okku mau fie fanongo kiaii koehaa hoo fktotoloo?? Mau fanongo kuo ‘I tonga e faifekau sekelitalii …’oku lippoti ki tonga ‘a e tu’unga ‘oku ‘iai ‘a e siasii pee ‘oku lele’ii fakaloto fale pee ia ???
From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maama Tupa
Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2011 12:17 a.m.
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Re: Hoha'a ki he holo 'a e Tokolahi 'o e SUTT
OH no no no,,, am OK,,, only da SUTT Uesiliana people in tis forum fakapiko...see no one knows how many Mamonga people are memba of this forum...kapau 'oku mo'oni e Uesiliana 'oku totonu ke no one went/goes to the Mamonga nowadays from da SUTT....most of da Mamonga people they were SUTT...Fakalau atu 'a eme'a 'oku lau mai 'e Tluame mo Seni heni kiate kinautolu nau tala mai they heard it b4 but they love da LDS....Go go go go u LDS!!!!...thts da way!!!! tukuu e kau lotu koeee ke nau femouekina he maumau taimi....hhhhh..
From: Finau Halaleva <fhal...@yahoo.com>
To: "tasil...@googlegroups.com" <tasil...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 22 June, 2011 4:41:19 PM
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Re: Hoha'a ki he holo 'a e Tokolahi 'o e SUTT
Masi'i Tupa, 'ai e kataki ke lahi, ha!ha!...ki'i holomui kimui 'o sio kihe sio'ata..."SMILE" ha!ha!...'Oku ou tui 'oku kei mahu'inga ange pe hotau vaa fakapotalanoa ia 'o kitautolu he paenga ni he fu'u me'a maumautaimi ko 'ena 'oku mo tau'aki ta'aki ai...ha!ha!
ofa atu moe lotu
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Light…kuo haa ‘a pulela’aa ..ko e me’a ia ‘okku mau fie fanongo kiaii koehaa hoo fktotoloo?? Mau fanongo kuo ‘I tonga e faifekau sekelitalii …’oku lippoti ki tonga ‘a e tu’unga ‘oku ‘iai ‘a e siasii pee ‘oku lele’ii fakaloto fale pee ia ???
On Wed, 22/6/11, lief fungalei <lfun...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Attenion Sir....
but tis is not a SUTT Uesiliana forum....itz a PUBLIC Forum and its very inclusive with other Religionz.."Dominated by SUTT"....not bcuzz da founder of tis forum he is a rev SUTT ke pehe ai koe Forum 'eni 'ae SUTT..Ka koe forum 'eni ia ke fefaka'apa'apa 'aki 'etau lotu moe tui pea ngaaue he loto fonu he 'ofa.. I guess everyone must have some sort of respect for other religions.I think koe lotu lelei!!!.. I really like the story tht Talaki Finau told b4 ... 'ene huhu atu kihe motu'a mamonga 'ae mali temipale..pea talaange 'e he motu'a kapau na'a ne 'ilo ha kovi,, koe ha me'a 'e ha'u ai 'o tala kihe 'ene fa'ee or sister ke 'alu ki ai etc.I filed tht story becuzz its so true..
Uncle,, only me and one sister in our famili 'oku 'ikai ke Mamonga.becuzz we r different. But i wish me famili [parents,sis,bro] all da best kapau te nau o ki heli etc fktatau kihe accusations 'ae ngaahi lotu koee..da funny thingo is they wishes me da best same thingo ee hhhhhh
have LIGHT!!!
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Kataki fakamolemole, 'oua e hoko e memipa ho famili tonu he Mamonga ke ta'ofi ai 'etau talanoa'i e tokateline e Mamongaa. Pea kapau oku ai ha kau Mamonga heni, oku ou tui oku totonu ke nau tau'ataina ke nau lea mai why they believe what they believe. oua take personal when we talk about ideas oku ne fakafuo hotau fonuaa mo hotau mamanii.
Me'apango oku ke fakatonulea hala e respect ki he other religions ke uhinga oku disrespect kapau te tau hakule hake kehekehe e ngaahi lotuu. kapau oku loi ha talanoa ha taha ki ha tokateline aha siasi pea ta'ofi pea kapau oku talanoa'i totonu pea ko e haa oku ai ai ke fufuu'iii. oku 'ataa ki he kau Mamongaa ke nau challenge e tui e kau SUTT.
Kapau ko e public forum eni taa 'oku 'ataa ki he kakai ke nau 'omi enau fakakaukau. Kapau ko e kaveinga eni kuo fokotu'u maii ko e Hoha'a ki he holo e tokolahi e SUTT...It's a legitimate concern ki he kau tasilisili pea ke talanoa'i e kaveinga ni kuo pau ke tau sio ki he founga e ngaahi siasii oku aukolo ki ai e kakai e siasii.
Me'apango Maama, he ko e ha'u a e kau fakaului Mamonga ki he ngaahi api SUTT...oku nau ha'u mo e ngaahi akonaki oku nau fakahalaki e tui ne angamaheni kiai hotau siasii. Pea ko e faingamalie eni ke omi ki he maamaa e ngaahi tuii. Ko e osi atu eni etau talanoa he keilesipiane etc Hala'ataa ha'o lea hake ke tuku e topiki ko iaa mo e ta'efaka'apa'ap ki he kau keii etc.
I he state ko eni ko Utah, oku tupu e siasi Papitaiso, Calvary Chapel, pea ai mo e konga si'i e kau Mamonga he state ko eni oku ului ki he Metotisii. Ko e fehu'ii ko ee haa oku lava lelei ai ke ului e kau Mamonga palangii o siasi fakaKalisitiane ka e faingata'a fau ki he kau Mamonga Tongaa ke tafoki.
Oku ou hoha'a peau tokanga au ki he kau SUTT i loto e aahi mai kiai e kau Mamonga o feinga'i ke fakaului.
Oku ai e makasini ko e First Things ne kamata ehe faifekau Katolika ko Father Neuhaus oku fetaulaki ai e kau akatemika mo e kau teolosia e ngaahi siasii pea kau mai mo e kau akatemika Mamonga pea oku lava lelei pee ke nau fepotalanoa'aki he ngaahi kaveinga oku kehekehe ai. Ikai ha compromise ka oku takitaha li ki loto e uhinga oku nau takitaha tui ai ki he'ene tui. Fakaamuange pee ke tau pehee.
Fakaoli ko e pehee mai oku inclusive ka ko e haa oku talamai ai oku ikai totonu e fakakaukau o kimautolu ko eni oku kehe meiate koee. Tonu ke oua te ke mamahi he lea e niihi oku kehe meiate koee kapau ko e inclusivism oku ke fiema'u. Kapau na'a ke inclusivist mo'oni you have no right to say that others are wrong, disrespect...inclusivism, like relativism, is philosophically self refutable, unlivable, and impractical, cos once you try to argue for inclusivism you are excluding others.... Talamaii angee pee ko e fee ha siasi pee fa'ahinga lotu oku inclusive??
toe fakamanatu atu pee, ko e taimi pee oku fehangahangai ai e tui e Mamongaa mo e SUTT, oku ua pee conclusion oku faka'ataa 'e he common sense--ka ikai pee ke na fakatau fananga mo fakatou loi, oku tonu e taha ka e hala e taha. Oku ta'emalava ke fakatoutonu....tukukehe kapau te te disconnect aa hoto 'utoo mei he 'ete tuii pea te tui ai aa oku na fakatoutonu.
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Naaku ngaue 'i he ki'i kolo 'i Nevada ko Carlin 'ofi ki Elko. Pea 'oku tokolahi ai 'ae kau Mamonga kae tautautefito ki Elko. 'I Elko, koe kau mamonga ia na'a nau movete holo, hili ia hono taofi 'ehe pule'anga Amelika 'ae mali tokolahi 'ae mamonga. Pea na'aku ngaue fakafaifekau ai 'ihe UMC he 2000. Naaku papi ai 'ae famili 'e 11 mamonga pea kau ai moe famili Young. Ne au kiha taimi ne fetu'utaki 'ae Pisope ki Utah pea kamata ke tautu'ua hoku 'api 'ehe kau faifekau mamonga moe kau taki honau siasi, 'o au pe kihe telefoni fakahanga tonu mei Salt Lake kiate au. Ko hono ifo ko'ete 'uluaki 'iloi 'ae tokateline fakametotisi pea te toe ilo'i foki moe takateline 'ae mamonga. Ne 'ikai ke lava ha mahina 'e taha, kuo 'ikai toe fi'e talanoa mai ha taha mamonga kiate au. Kae kehe neu iai he ta'u 'e 2, ne tupu 'a homau siasi mei he 34 kihe 120. Neu hiki kihe feitu'u 'oku
ofi kihe kolisi koe'uhi koe ako 'ae fanau.
Koe me'a lelei 'ae talanoa. 'Oku ou tui 'oku mole 'ae mo'ui fakaevangelioo 'ihe sutt pe umc. Katau piki kihe fi'efefaka'apa'apa kihe ngaahi siasi, ka 'ihe taimi tatau 'oku ta'efaka'apa'apa 'ae siasi ia koee. He 'oku nau toli 'ia 'e nautolu 'ae fu'a 'oe too ngoue 'ae ngaahi siasi koee. 'Oku 'ikai kenau faka'ului kakai mei he kakai 'oku 'ikai kenau 'ilo kihe 'Eiki, ka 'oku nau nofo 'o si'ofi 'ae fanga sipi 'oku nau ki'i malolo 'iha lalo 'akau. Pea nau toki fakatau 'ae kakai koia'aki 'ae mei maho'aa, suka moe totongi fale. Ka koe mo'ui, ko'eni kuopau ketau fou 'ihe mamahi pea moe kataki pea toki ma'u 'ae me'akai. Koe lea maheni, 'oku mo'ui hoku laumalie heni. 'Oku kehe 'ae mo'ui fiefia fakakakano mei he mo'ui fakalaumalie. Ko hono lelei ke 'ilo kihe tokateline. He 'oku iai 'ae ngaahi me'a 'oku tau tatau ai pea 'oku iai hotau kehekehe. Koe'uhi koe mei kotoa 'ae ngaahi siasi koe ha'u mei he Uesiliana pe Metotisi. Koe ngaue fakafaifekau 'ae
mamonga koe ma'u ia mei Metotisi. Ka kuo tau hanga kitautolu 'ihe teu fakataufa 'ae kau ngaue. Na'e teui pe 'e John Wesley kakai metotisi 'ihe ki'i taimi nounou pea tukuatu kenau oo 'o ngaohi kakai. 'Ihe taimi ni kuo feinga 'ae metotisi ketoe foki kihe founga koia. ...mou hoko atu. Kae kumi ha Sapate.. DO
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On Sat, 25/6/11, Sione M. Veituna <svei...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mou kataki pe kae vakai'i ange na'a koe tokolahi 'o e kakai 'oku ō ki he Mamaonga... 'oku mahalo ne nau 'osi mamonga (small 'm' emphasized) pe kinautolu (way of life) he loto siasi Uesiliana, koe toki ō atu pe ki he loto 'aa koee, ka 'oku ikai ha kehekehe ia 'enau 'i heni mo 'enau 'i hee as far as eternal desitnation is concerned.
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Malo Ma'ananga e fakamaama mai ke fai ha foki ki he kaveingaa.
Poini mahu'inga ena....tokolahi e kakai 'oku kei SUTT pee he kilii (hufanga he fakatapuu), ko e toulotoo ia 'oku teetee pee he loto siasii, limu tu'u 'i 'au, tali pee ki ha akonaki ha tui fo'ou ke ne challenge pea defeat e tui angamahenii kae tafoki ia ki he tui fo'ouu.
ka e ki'i faka'osi atu ai leva e talaloto he'eku fononga mai mo e tui Mamongaa.
I Sanuali 1985, teu eni keu foomu ono, neu lolotonga under pressure he loto hoku ta'okete Mamongaa keu huu ki Liahona o foomu ono ai he oku fu'u mamafa a Tupou High. Taimi ko enii oku faingata'a e matakaa ko e ma'u'anga pa'anga ia 'a motuu, tupu mei he afaa Aisakee he 1982. Neu 'alu atu ki Tupou High te'eki fokotu'u e akoo 'ou huu kia Kalapoli Paongo 'ou fai e fehu'i ki ai pee ko e haa ha'ane lau ki he tolu taha'i'Otuaa mo e tolu'i'Otuaa pee ko fee ia kinaua oku mo'onii...pee ko fee he siasi Mamonga mo SUTT oku mo'onii.. Peau talaange ki ai oku faingata'a'ia fakapa'anga eku ongomatu'a ke totongi 'eku akoo, pea ko hoku tokoua lahii ko ia ne 'iai ene silinii, oku ne lolotonga feinga'i au keu huu ki Liahona etc.
. Hala'ataa ke ne fai ha tali ki he fehu'i fakatokaatelinee, he na'a ne ilo he'ikai pee ke mahino ia kia au. 'Omi e Kalapoli e tali malie ko 'enii he'ikai ngalo he'eku mo'ui, "Senituli, 'oua te ke piki ki he SUTT pee ko e Mamongaa, piki kia Sisuu, pea 'e lava ke ke 'ilo e siasi totonu 'oku totonu ke ke 'alu ki aii.
I he taimi ko 'enii, ne mo'oni e lau a Veituna i olungaa, ko eku SUTT pee 'aku ko eku tupu SUTT mo e ako he ngaahi ako e SUTT. Hangee lotu ha me'aangamaheni pee, pea hangee 'Otuaa ha taha oku nofo mama'o atu i langi o fakasio eku faihalaa ke tautea'i au.
Kaikehe neu alu mo e tali a Kalapolii 'o toutou fakakaukau ki ai.
I Sune pe Me o e ta'u tatau ne foki mai mei muli homau tokoua mei motu mahalo oku ilo 'e he kau Senee ko Sou Sitoa(foha e faihiva iloa mei motu ko Sitoa ko e kolisitutuku nafualu) hili ene ngaue fakamisinale ma'ae Mamonga o ma nofo pee he api hoku cousin pisope mamonga. Toutou omi silini a Sou maa o siofaiva aho i Nuku'alofa etc...mahalo ne osi ha uike tolu e toutou saute'i au e Sou pea ne fakalea mai pee oku ikai ha'aku fakakaukau ki he siasii. Peau talaange oku ou fakakaukau negative pee ki he siasii he oku fele eku ilo e ngaahi me'a oku ongo faikehe kiate au. Ne pehee mai a Sou, "Tahataha e toki kole atu eni kia koe mo e 'ikai ke ke tali, uhinga ki he'ene kole mai ke papi au ki he siasii." Ne too hifo hoku lotoo he 'ai ke angakovi'i 'eku tafenga pa'anga ko 'enii. Kou pehee atu kia Sou ke ma o papi ko 'eku 'ai ke fakafiemalie'i ia he oku lahi ene foaki mai kiate au koe masiva.
Ne maa oo mo e ongo faifekau mamonga ki he liku 'o Ha'akamee 'o fakameleuku'i ai au 'e Sou, hili ai peau tafoki o Mamonga, tuku eku ifi tapakaa mo ki'i fa'a inuhopi fakapulipuli pee i Ha'akame. Ikai ilo ia mei Tupou High e fanga ki'i ulungaaga fakapulipuli o kimautolu angalelei nofo vaoo pea mei motuu. Pea ikai lava ehe lao e ako e siasii o ta'ofi kimautolu he tutuku e akoo emau inu hopi fakapulipuli mo hulohula i motu etc. Ko e angalelei he taimi ko enii ko e change behavior pee makatu'unga he 'aataakai, ka e 'ikai ha changed heart. Ko e piki ki he siasii kae 'ikai piki kia Sisu. Neongo ai 'ete ilo faka'atamai oku hala e ngaahi me'a e Mamongaa ki he'ete fakamaau'i'aki hoto 'atamaii, ka na'e pauni mamafaange enau ngaahi foaki mai kiate au etc. i he'eku mahu'inga'ia hoku 'itaanitii |
David Ofahengaue <ofahe...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Ne 'ikai ke lava ha mahina 'e taha, kuo 'ikai toe fi'e talanoa mai ha taha mamonga kiate au. Kae kehe neu iai he ta'u 'e 2, ne tupu 'a homau siasi mei he 34 kihe 120. Neu hiki kihe feitu'u 'oku ofi kihe kolisi koe'uhi koe ako 'ae fanau.
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Malo DO, haleluia 'Emeni!!
Ne toki fokotu'u e komiti evangelioo emau UMC he ta'u ni 'e he'emau faifekau pea talamai ke vounteer ha taha ke ne tataki. He oku holo homau memipaa pea ko e ta'u kuo 'osi kakato ko e memipa fo'ou pee 'e tokoua ne toki ului mai ki homau siasii.
Mo'oni ho'o lauu kuo mole 'evangelioo mei ngaahi UMC, SUTT mo e Uniting lahi...i he'eku mahamahalo ko e molee pee tupu mei he faifekau e siasi takitaha. Ai e ni'ihi ia kuo ikai ke nau toe tui ki he ngaue fakaevangelioo
Keikehe neu volunteer keu lead e komiti ko enii peau fiu hono advertise peau challenge individually e ni'ihi ke mau tu'u fakataha o feinga pee ko e haa ha founga te mau reach out ai ki homau community...me'amali ko e ongo finematu'a pee o tokoua mo hoku hoaa oku mau i he komiti ko enii...pea kuo ha'u e ninimoo ko eku ilo'i ko e theology emau faifekauu oku hangee ia ko e ni'ihi he tasilisili ni oku ikai mamafa ia ki he evangelioo...pea oku tu'ofiha e lele hake fakakaukau ke ma consider move ki he taha e ngaahi siasi oku nau fai e evangelioo etc. ka oku fai pe nofoo ko e fele homau ngaahi kaungaame'a ofi homau siasi UMC. |
Tahifisi,kuou lau fakalongolongo pe mo malie'ia he fevahevahe'aki pea 'oku ke mo'oni..'Oku tau kei puke pe he mahaki na'e puke ai 'a 'Atama 'ae poto he tuhu atu (kia 'Ivi pea tuhu 'a Ivi kihe Ngata ) kae vale he tuhu hifo.Koe ha koaa si'a kovi 'ae Mamonga,Penitakosi,Pahai,Mosilemi,Maamafo'ou etc na'e fai mai kiatekitautolu?'Oku tau fu'u lelei 'aupito he 'ilo fakatokateline,fk-teolosia mo fk-Tohitapu sai, malo, ka 'oku 'ikai a'u ia 'o 1% 'ae kakai kuo tafoki kiha siasi koe tonu 'enau tokateline pe koha'anau teolosia,koe % lahi taha koe mafana 'oe feohi'anga 'ulungaanga fk-kaume'a, fe'ofo'ofani moe welfare foki.Ko Francis of Assisi na'a ne pehe ke malanga'i e Kosipeli 'aki e malohi taha and use words if possible.Kohono fakalea 'e taha ke fksi'isi'i e malanga lea kae lahi e malanga ala.Pe hiki e fakamamafa kihe HA'U moe Ngaohi kakai kae fakasi'isi'o e tokanga kihe 'ALU he ka 'uuu pe ha taha ke 'alu ko vaihi ee. sh.
Tahifisi,kuou lau fakalongolongo pe mo malie'ia he fevahevahe'aki pea 'oku ke mo'oni..'Oku tau kei puke pe he mahaki na'e puke ai 'a 'Atama 'ae poto he tuhu atu (kia 'Ivi pea tuhu 'a Ivi kihe Ngata ) kae vale he tuhu hifo.Koe ha koaa si'a kovi 'ae Mamonga,Penitakosi,Pahai,Mosilemi,Maamafo'ou etc na'e fai mai kiatekitautolu?'Oku tau fu'u lelei 'aupito he 'ilo fakatokateline,fk-teolosia mo fk-Tohitapu sai, malo, ka 'oku 'ikai a'u ia 'o 1% 'ae kakai kuo tafoki kiha siasi koe tonu 'enau tokateline pe koha'anau teolosia,koe % lahi taha koe mafana 'oe feohi'anga 'ulungaanga fk-kaume'a, fe'ofo'ofani moe welfare foki.Ko Francis of Assisi na'a ne pehe ke malanga'i e Kosipeli 'aki e malohi taha and use words if possible.Kohono fakalea 'e taha ke fksi'isi'i e malanga lea kae lahi e malanga ala.Pe hiki e fakamamafa kihe HA'U moe Ngaohi kakai kae fakasi'isi'o e tokanga kihe 'ALU he ka 'uuu pe ha taha ke 'alu ko vaihi ee. sh.
Maui malo e vahevahe,mo'oni 'etau himi "komou vevela na 'oku mau ongo'i he 'oku mau lolotonga mo'ua ai foki.Kuo mea'i ia he tokotaha kotoa pe koe ng. siasi (mainline churches )'i muli ni 'oku nau faai hifo.'Oku fakafuofua kihe 2053 kuo 'ikai ha siasi Meto 'i California-Nevada Conference.Pea koe me'a lahi taha 'oku fai he taimi ni kohono toe huke vaka 'oe siasi.Koe re-structure lahi 'oku mau fai 'o tu'usi hifo 'emau District meihe 7 kihe 4,toe fokotu'utu'u moe ngaahi komiti fk -Koni etc etc.Pea koe kau faifekau 'oku feinga'i ke tuku e fakapaipa pe koe oo ke tauhi e siasi ka 'oku 'ikai koe siasi ke tauhi e tauhisipi.'Oku 'iai homau ni'ihi 'oku mau feinga ke mau expensive,pea look smart ka 'oku tu'ulu e siasi. Koia ko 'eku comment ki mu'a na'e tefito pe ia meihe tu'unga 'oku mau 'iai he kuo fakamo'oni'i pe ia heni 'oku sai ke fakafefeka e tui moe 'ilo pea toe 'ai foki ke patu e nima pea koe polokalama evangelio lelei taha he taimi ni koe foodbank, koe siasi tupu vave heni ko Salina UMC 'oku nau fafanga e kau homeless over 1000 tupu he uike pea 'oku kuki ai 'a Haati Nai mei Fuamotu 'oku ne 'a he 4 am 'o tele e tangai pateta 'e 10 fakapaku toseni fua'imoa 30 tupu. "oku nau tupu meihe mei mate 'aupito kihe 300 tupu he taimini.,Na'a ngali mo'oni e lau 'a Futa Helu kia kimautolu meihe Sia he taimi koe. "Kau ako kamou matuku atu pea mou oo 'o uki e toutu'u,tou lalanga,koka'anga pea fakasi'isi'i e malanga fakatokateline ".sh
Mo'oni foki 'a Loke he koe ngaue he kau muli 'oku lahilahi ai e hug pea 'oku totonu pe kete teuteu lelei pea 'ai moha ki'i me'i kaloni.Koe fanga ki'i me'a iiki 'oku tau fa'a ta'etokanga kiai ka koe ng.me'a 'ia 'oku lahi taha 'etau tapeva ai pea toe lahi taha 'a mavahe ai e kakai (koe details ..Koe fale'i malanga 'a Bishop William Willmon na'a ne pehee "'Ai pe mote fakatokanga'i 'oku te ta'eoli"Ka 'oku te sio mai leva 'oku mohe e kakai pea te kelesi a pea 'ai e malanga ke faingofua mo lea ma'ama'a he kuo 'iai e fakahua ia heni he kau kavatonga, kapau 'oku 'ikai mahino kia Sisu 'ete malanga huonoa e kakai. sh
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'I Elko, koe kau mamonga ia na'a nau movete holo, hili ia hono taofi 'ehe pule'anga Amelika 'ae mali tokolahi 'ae mamonga. Pea na'aku ngaue fakafaifekau ai 'ihe UMC he 2000. Naaku papi ai 'ae famili 'e 11 mamonga pea kau ai moe famili Young. ..DO --- |
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Kiate au tokolahi e Sutt 'i Muli, ne u mafana pe au he fakakaukau 'oe Tokolahi 'oe Siasi ko e fiema'u 'o Kalaisi mo 'ene Fakama'oni'oni mo Fakatau'ataina, 'ikai ko e fiema'u tokolahi ke fua'aki ha kavenga.
Taau foki ke fai ha tokanga ki he ngahi feima'u fakasino 'ae ngahi famili 'o e Siasi, he ko e level ki lalo mahalo 'oku 'auhia ko e mamafa 'ae ngahi kavenga, 'ikai lava 'o mafua, 'ikai kenau lava hono valoki kinautolu pe manumanuki'i etc....
Ko e fuofua ala pe 'ae Mamonga ki he kavenga mafasia 'ae Tonga , ko e ma'ama'a 'enau totongi ako.
Ko e Sutt 'oku hange ko e lau 'ae Same 1, tuku atu hono aka ki he ve'e vai pea 'oku lanumata he fa'ahita'u kotoa , fua 'i hono to'ukai , pea 'oku tau lotu pe kenau tu'uma'u mo faka'ehi'ehi mei he ngahi tepile muli 'oku nau kaunga ngaue kuo 'asi ai 'ae faka'ikai 'Otua pe faka'otuamate.
takamuli
> Sione 'Atupuha Koloti <sako...@gmail.com> wrote:
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| Mahalo 'e productive ange ha'atau talanoa pee ko e haa koaa 'oku 'ikai tupu ai e SUTT kae'oua te tau mo'unofoa he hoha'a ki he holo hotau tokolahii, he 'oku haa mahino mai ai e nofo e tokolahi o fakafiefiemaliee pee kapau na'e 'ikai holo. Kapau ko e Siasii ko e me'amo'ui(living organism) taa oku totonu ke tupu 'o fakatoukatea i he quality mo e quantity. Ka fehu'i ki he kau talavou e 'aho ni ke nau fakamatala'i e ulungaanga e kau mateaki SUTT ko e haa e ngaahi fo'i adjective te nau ngaue'akii? Mahino e asi hake mamahi'i me'a, kakai fuakavenga, kakai foaki ki he siasi, 'E kau nai e fo'ilea ko e mo'ui faka'Otua (godly) he ulungaanga e kau SUTT? feefee e fo'ilea ko e "kakai 'ofa ki he masiva"? Fefee nai e spiritual formation? Na'a 'oku tau mo'uhangaa he fekumi ki he 'ilotohitapuu 'o tooatu ia mei he mo'ui fakatohitapuu. Kapau te tau fehu'i ko fee he ngaahi siasii oku haa sino mei he kau memipa e mo'ui ma'oni'onii fkulungaanga, 'otometiki pee ha'u ki hoku 'atamaii e kau maamafo'ouu mo e kau penitekosii. Ka 'eke pee ko fee siasi oku nau ofa mo tokoni ki he masivaa, fika uluaki e siasi mamongaa i he'eku fakakaukauu. ka 'eke pee ko fee siasi oku tokolahi taha hono kau ako tohitapuu pee toketaa tohitapu fika uluaki e SUTT. Hangee oku ai e disconnect e mo'ui ma'oni'oni faka'ulungaangaa(Maamafo'ou&Penitekosi) mo e 'ofa ki he masivaa mo e tukuhausiaa(Mamonga) pea mo e ilo lahi ki he Folofolaa(SUTT). Tautolu ko eni SUTT, anga feefee nai ha'a tau develop e spiritual formation e kakai hotau siasii ke fakataha etau ilo tohitapu/tokatelinee pea mo e mo'ui ma'oni'onii mo e 'ofa ki he masiva mo e tukuhausiaa? Feefee ke tau talisi'i etau mofisi he lau a Dr Puloka, na'a 'oku tau mo'uhangaa he langa falee ka e ta'etokanga'i e tanumaki fakalaumalie hotau kakaii, pee na'a 'oku mo'oni e fa'a 'o hake tv. ke tau toe huke 'etau teolosiaa na'a 'oku polioo pea tupu mei ai e hangee oku 'ikai ke tau a'usia e misi a Uesilee ki he kau Uesilianaa |
Mou vakai Fakalelei pe, na'a oku tatau pe 'etau Lotu oku fai kae kehekehe " faka'uhinga pe mo fakatonulea fakaetangata ihe tukuga 'oe ngaahi Fungavaka ,
Kapau koe " uho" pe tefito 'oe LOtu "koe " OFA kihe Otua moe 'Ofa kihe Kaunga'api " pea ta 'oku fakatou-tatau pe 'ae LDS moe SUTT pe koe Metotisi ..
Mahalo pe 'oku tau kau halaia 'i hono mamahi'i e SUTT 'o laka hake ia
'i hono mamahi'i 'o Kalaisi. Mahalo kapau e tō 'a e fakamamafa 'ia
Kalaisi 'o me'angāue'aki 'a e siasi, 'e kehe hano fua 'ona 'o kehe ia
mei he fakamamafa'i 'a e siasi 'o me'angaue'aki 'a Kalaisi. Kapau
mahalo 'e tō 'a e fakamamafa 'ia Kalaisi, pea 'e fai leva 'a hono
tokangaekina 'a e ngaahi fiema'u 'a e kakai pea kau aipē moe fiema'u
'a e kau takilotu. Kātaki pe he hu noa mai mahalo kuo masalai e
kaveinga ni ia.
moe hufia,
tniu.
tik
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From: david niu
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:06 AM
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
moe hufia,
tniu.
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