Re: Sisu fe???
Semisi Kava
‘Oku ou fakamalumalu atu pe moe alangafale ‘oe paenga ni kae tuku pe keu lavelave atu he kaveinga kuo fai hono matuai’i. ‘Oku ou kau pe hono toe fie fakaongo atu ‘ae ngaahi fokotu’u fakakaukau kuo ‘osi lafo’i atu ki he loto fala ‘oe tatala ‘uhinga ‘i he kaveinga ni. Koe taha ‘oe ngaahi natula fakaakoo ki hano vakai’i ta’e tuku pe fifili’i ta’e hela (What is reality?) ha fakamatala ‘a ha taha kehe (pe fa’u tohi) ko ha’ate tomu’a feinga kete muimui’i ‘ae ‘alunga pe ta’au ‘oku hu’ufa ki ai ‘ae toka’anga fakatalanoa (issues) ‘ae tokotaha ko ia. Ko hono ‘uhinga nai he koe taimi ‘oku te fokotu’u talanoa atu ki he tokotaha na’e ‘a’ana tonu ‘ae ngaue ko ia pe ‘oku palanisi fakaako leva ‘ae fa’u fakamatala ‘oku te fai pea ‘oku tali fakaako (Scholarly) kae mahulu atu hono tali Fakalaumalie kapau ‘oku fai ‘ae fakatotolo ko ia he mala’e ‘oe Tala’otua. ‘Oku ou tui koe tu’unga fakamatala na’e fai ‘e Ma’afu fekau’aki moe tu’unga fakamatala na’e fai ‘e Mohenoa na’a ne muimui’i ofi pe fakaofiofi kihe uho ‘oe toka’anga ‘uhinga ‘a Mohenoa fekau’aki mo e “Sisu Tonga” Ko hotau palopalema leva koe ‘ikai ke tau kau hono ma’u kakato ha faingamalie ‘oe fakamatala ko ia ne faingamalie ai 'a Ma'afu ke tau ma’u mo ia ‘e kitautolu ‘ae mahino ko ia. Koe mahino ‘oku tau ma’u he taimi ni ‘oku fakatefito pe ia ‘i he faka’uhinga na’e fai’aki ‘e Ma’afu ‘i he taimi lahi na’a ne ma’u ai ‘ae fakamatala ‘a Mohenoa. Kuo tau lava ‘eni ‘o mamata ha konga ‘oe feinga ‘a Ma’afu kene fakahohoa ‘a ‘ene mahino kia Sisu pea mahino kia Mohenoa ‘ae Sisu ko ia. Ko hotau palopalema leva kau lau tasilisili ‘e kamata ia mei ai. ‘Oku ou tui ‘oku ‘ikai fakaako mo faka’efika pea mama’o atu moe Laumalie ‘oe fakatautehine fakalotu ke tau hanga ‘o anga’i tavale ‘ae ‘uhinga ‘oku lilo he tala’otua ‘a Mohenoa ta’e te tau tukuange ha faingamalie ‘ae Tangata’eiki Puleako ke tuku mai pe na’e tefito ‘i he tu’unga fe ‘o Sisu (Christology) na’e fakalanga mei ai ‘ene feinga fakamatala’i e lahi ‘oe ‘Otua. He kapau na’e makatu’unga ‘i hono tangata (humanity) pea pe ko hono tu’unga ‘Otua (Divinity) pea ‘e toki malie leva ha’atau feinga ke tau kau atu he talanoa ‘ae primary source. ‘Oku ou tui ko kimoutolu ko ia ‘oku mou fai e vete (Biblical exegesis)‘e fu’u kainga ‘aupito mo ‘etau feinga hu atu ke kau’i talanoa he talanoa ‘ae kakai kehe.
Tau pehe ni pe 'e anga pehe ni ha fifili ha taha ki he kaveinga ni: Hange koe ki’i fakatataa ko ‘eni: (Tu’unga tangata) Kapau ko ‘ene Siu (tangata kakato) pe pea ngata ai ka ko ‘ene toe pipiki ta’engata atu mo hono ‘Otua kakato he Sisu Siu pea kapau koe Sisu ‘Otua pea tau fakamolemole aa ‘a kitaua koe fakangatangata kae si’i tukuange aa ‘ae ta’e fakangatangata ke ‘Otua aa ‘o mafai ke MAFEIA, TOKAIMA’ANANGA MO ‘AFIO HE POTU KOTOA PE (Ominscience, Ominpresent, Ominpotance). Hange koe pehe ‘e Ma’afu na’e toki ‘alu atu pe ‘ae Misinale ia ki Tonga moe Kosipeli! Kapau ‘e ‘i ai ha faingamalie ‘a Mohenoa kene tatala mai ‘ene tala’otua fekau’aki moe lea “Kosipeli” pe na’a ‘oku ‘uhinga pe ia kia Sisu ‘aee na’e ‘i he kamata’anga ‘aee ‘oku lea mai kia ‘a Sione1:1. Tau manatu’i foki ‘oku toki kamata ‘ae Tohi Senesi 1:1 ia he veesi 3 ‘oe Kosipeli na’e hiki tohi ‘e Sione “I he kamata’anga kuo ‘i ai ‘a FOLOFOLA, pea na’e feangai moe ‘Otua ‘a Folofola pea na’e ‘Otua ‘a Folofola 2: Koe tokotaha ko ia na’e ‘i he kamata’anga, ‘o feangai moe ‘Otua 3: Koe hoko mai ‘ae me’a kotoa pe na’e fou ‘iate ia pea na’e ‘ikai ha momo’i me’a ‘e taha ‘e hoko mai ‘o ‘ata’ataa mo Ia. Senesi 1: 1 “’I he kamata’anga na’e fakatupu ‘e he ‘Otua ‘ae langi mo mamani.” Pea kapau ko ‘ene tu’u ‘ena he TOHITAPU pea ta na’e si’i toki tupu hake pe si’i Tonga ia kuo ‘i ai ‘a FOLOFOLA ‘aee koee na’e hoko mai ‘i he manava ‘oe Siu ko Mele pea toe fakahingoa pe ia mei Langi (‘o ‘ikai ko ha tauhingoa ki ha kui ‘a Mele) ‘ehe kau ‘Angelo mei langi “Hingoa pe ia ko Sisu ka tau mo’ui ai. Sio ki he malie!!
‘Oku ou tui ‘e toe malieange ‘ae ngaahi tanumaki fakalotukalafi ‘oka pau ‘e toe si’i lava mai moe original documentation ‘a Mohenoa ki he Fale ni. Pea kapau 'e 'ikai lava mai pea 'e matuku atu 'ae kau mamata fuhu mo 'enau pehe pe "Malohi e masi'i koee koe 'ikai lava mai 'ae masi'i koee" toki pehe mai moe fu'u konaa ia ta koe he'ikai lava e va'inga kae mole 'eku ki'i 'Kelesi" 'ikai koe ki'i seniti!!" ‘Oku ou tui kapau te tau tali koe kau kalisitiane kitautolu pea koe anga ‘eni ‘etau feinga 'a hotau pukupuku mo fakangatangata ni ke alasi ha kihi’i ‘inisi ‘oe ‘O-TU’A pea ‘oku ou tui te tau loto lelei ke tau tali hotau ngaahi maama’anga kotoa pe kuo fakakoloa taau taha ‘aki kitautolu. Na’a faifai kuo tau fetuhuaki pea toe valevaleange ai ‘ae ‘Otua Lahi ‘oku tau mo’ui ai. Tau tasilisili lelei pe he koe Sisu pe ‘a mamani. Kuo ha ‘ae “TOLU TAHA ‘OTUA” -‘EI KOE TAHA TOLU” ‘ikai nai ke tokoni ia ki hano tali hangatonu pea ‘uli’uli mo hinehine ‘ae fifili ni?
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On Jun 16, 1:42 am, Semisi Kava <semisi.k...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> ‘Oku ou tui ‘oku ‘ikai fakaako mo faka’efika pea mama’o atu moe Laumalie ‘oe fakatautehine fakalotu ke tau hanga ‘o anga’i
> tavale ‘ae ‘uhinga ‘oku lilo he tala’otua ‘a Mohenoa ta’e te tau tukuange ha faingamalie ‘ae Tangata’eiki Puleako ke tuku mai pe na’e tefito ‘i he tu’unga fe ‘o Sisu (Christology) na’e fakalanga mei ai ‘ene feinga fakamatala’i e lahi ‘oe ‘Otua.
>
fakatautehina ke fetokoni'aki mo fepoupou'aki 'aki hano tanumaki
lelei'i 'o ha fakakaukau kae 'ikai ko ha fetaa'aki.
“I he
> kamata’anga kuo ‘i ai ‘a FOLOFOLA, pea na’e feangai moe ‘Otua ‘a Folofola pea na’e ‘Otua ‘a Folofola
>
kakano; 'o ne fokotu'u hono tapanekale 'i hotau lotolototonga"
> ‘Oku ou tui ‘e toe malieange ‘ae ngaahi tanumaki fakalotukalafi ‘oka pau ‘e toe si’i lava mai moe original documentation ‘a Mohenoa ki he Fale ni. ...
mo'oni lahi pea ko e ngaahi taa 'oku fai 'e Ma'afu ki he Sisu Tonga
'e tali pe ki ha fakamatala 'a Mohenoa..ka teu ki'i lave nounou atu pe
ki he talateu 'o e fakamatala 'a Ma'afu.
pea hange ko e fehu'i 'a Loke pe kohai 'oku talanoa? tu'unga 'i he
fakamo'oni 'oku fai ki he siasi...ka 'i he tafa'aki leva 'e taha, ko
e siasi 'o hai? 'oku tau tui ko e siasi, ko e sino haa mai ia 'o
Kalaisi = Misaia = Fakamo'ui.....pea ta 'oku tonu kotoa pe.. Sisu
Tonga, Sisu Siu, Sisu Tohitapu, Sisu SUTT, Sisu..eternal...Sisu pe!
Sisu pe!...kapau tetau tali ia, pea 'oku tau tali leva 'a e fakamo'oni
'oku fai 'e Ma'afu mei he 'ene talateu...Soli Deo Gloria = Glory to
God Alone .....ke 'a e 'Otua tokotaha pe 'a e langilangi mo e Kololia
'o ta'engata. Utther
Semisi Kava
From: sfaupula <sk...@bigpond.com>
To: tasilisili <tasil...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 16 June, 2009 6:29:28 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
sfaupula
sfaupula
Fatai Slender
16/6/09
Veni,
'O hange ha finematu'a 'o haa? Fakatokanga'i ange 'a e paenga 'a e Tasilisili 'oku mou tokolahi ange 'a e hou'eiki tangata pea 'oku 'ikai teu fa'a lea ho'o mou lakaange 'amoutolu 'ia kimautolu he ngutu..... Ko 'eku lea atu koeni he kuou 'osi fakamo'oni'i 'a e ni'ihi 'ia kimoutolu 'oku kalasi atu ho'omou fakamafola me'a. Pehe ki he to'onga lea pea 'oku ou fakakaukau ke kole ki he tepile ke 'ai mavahe pe ha tepile ia ma'a mautolu hou'eiki fafine. Tukuatu kimoutolu ia 'a e kau Helohelo ke mou fa'iteliha ho'omou tautuki he 'oku 'ikai ke mau makupusi 'e mautolu 'a e loloto ho'omou teolosia mo e 'ilo me'a kehekehe. Koia Veni kou kole atu ke ke feinga ke 'oua na'a ke toe ngaue'aki 'e lea finematu'a he 'oku 'iai pe hono lea ko e kau fafine, pe kau fine'eiki. Malo Fatai
From: sk...@bigpond.com
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
Touhuni Hala Puopua
Kataki ko e toki a'utaki mai eni ka ko e Fakataha eni ma'a kinautolu 'oku omai mei Tonga pe ko ha toe fonua muli pe 'o ako heni. 'Oku fai 'apongipongi (Thursday 18/6/09) pea kataki 'o fakaongo atu.
'Ofa atu,
Uani.
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iki
mou kataki 'o o atu 'o kumi mai e fkmatala ki he sisu tonga na'a 'osi e ta'u ni mo hono 'eke. pea tuku e 'ita vave he 'oku ta'efe'unga ia mo ho'omou lakanga faifekau mo ako teolosia...hehahi!!!
--------------------veni ko e 'itaa ko e me'a ia 'a e kau faifekau ha ha ha....ka 'oku 'ikai ke ui ia ko e 'ita ka 'oku ui pee ia ko e mamahi'i 'o 'etau ngauee....ha ha ha...veni kataki atu 'o 'omai mo e pepa 'a ma'afu he tau 'inasi ai he 'oku te'eki a'u mai ia kia mautolu e lau 'a maafu.kou tui 'oku 'ikai ke fai ha 'ita heni ha ha ha ka ko e lea fefeka pee....ha ha ha..kaekehe ko e mahino kiate au e lau 'a misi ko e faka'apa'apa'i 'a e view 'a e tokotaha kotoa pee 'oku 'i fale ni pea kapau te u 'ai ha'aku lau ki ai kou pehee 'e au ko e lahi ange mo e tokolahi ange 'etau lauu pea mo e kehekehe ange 'etau sioo ko 'ene tokoni ange ia kia kitautolu.....he 'oku mahino 'oku tau kehekehe fakakaukau 'o fakatatau ki he me'a 'oku 'aonga kia tautolu. pea kou tui ko e lau ia 'oku mo'oni mo 'uhinga maliee 'a e me'a koee 'oku 'aonga kia te auu. he'ikai ke u phee 'e au ko e vai tava 'oku sai ki he eku pukee ka kapau 'oku 'aonga ange 'a e vai lekileki ia 'ouaaa ....ko e mo'oni ia kia auu ko e kanisaa ko e vai lekileki...'e feefeee kapau te tau tukuange mo e fk'ataa ko e mo'oni ia...'a ia 'oku 'ikai taha 'a e mo'oniii pea 'ikai fkleveleva ha mo'oni ka 'oku tokoni kotoa 'a e ngaahi mo'oni kia kitautolu... hangee kiate au ko e kuonga ni....kapau kuo contextualise 'e mohenoa 'a sisu ki he 'atakai 'o tonga koe'uhii 'oku 'aonga ia ki tonga mo hno ngauee mo e kau faifekau pea tau tali ko e mo'oni iaa; ko e fakafekiki he siu mo e ta'esiu 'o sisuu 'i he 'aho ni 'e 'osi ange ko iaa ko e fu'u koto 'ea 'ata'ataa.... ko e motolo 'a sisuu na'a ne manako ke ngaue'aki 'a e concept 'o e me'a fo'ouu ...ma'a lahi ia. eg. 'a'au mai ha ika mei he ika na'a mou toki ma'u ni; ko koe 'oku ke haohaoa 'uluaki too 'e koe fo'i maka 'o fai e toloo; hifo ko e motu'a fklusa ko koe ke ta oo taua ko ho 'apii o kai efiafi...katoa e 'uu me'a kotoa ko iaa ko e 'uu me'a fo'ou ktoa....'ouaaa ko e 'uu me'a ia 'oku 'aonga he taimi kae tuku e toee ke toki tanaki mai mei mui ..ko e faofao pee pope.----------------------
Fatai Slender
17/6/09
Hi Veni,
Kou tali ho'o kole fakamolemole mo e 'ofa ki ho fofonga ka ke tokanga pe na'a si'i nafui koe ho fanga ta'okete faifekau ho'o ui kinautolu ko e kau fkleiti.
'Oku tupunga 'eku fakalea atu he kou manatu ki he telefoni mai 'a e tangata 'o 'eke mai pe kohai e hingoa 'o e finemotu'a faifekau 'a Mascot. Peau tala atu 'oku 'ikai ke 'iai ha finemotu'a faifekau ia 'a Mascot. Pea tali mai 'e ia 'a e finemotu'a koena ko Valamotu Palu 'oku ne fetongi 'a Semisi Latu.
Kou pehe ko hoku faingamalie e keu navu ai leva 'e matapule ni. Kou pehe atu ko e ta'ahine pe ko Valamotu Palu ko 'emau faifekau ia 'oku 'ikai ko e finemotu'a. Kapau leva te ke toe telefoni mai pea ke pehe mai pe ko fe ho'omou faifekau Valamotu Palu. To'o 'aupito 'a e finemotu'a ia he 'oku anga ta'efaka'apa'apa. Talu ai e kole fakamolemole mai 'a e tangata, mo 'ene kata toe pehe mai 'e ia ka neu 'ilo te ke tafulu'i au he 'ikai teu ta atu kia koe. Malo 'ofa atu Fatai
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----- Original Message -----From: ikiSent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:39 PMSubject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
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mohetaulanga kupu
| Tangata Faifekau kuo ha mei kava feinga mai a Pongipongi moia. --- On Thu, 18/6/09, iki <iki....@tonganyouth.org.nz> wrote: |
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Maafu Palu
Maafu Palu
Maafu Palu
‘Oku ou fakamalumalu atu pe moe alangafale ‘oe paenga ni kae tuku pe keu lavelave atu he kaveinga kuo fai hono matuai’i. ‘Oku ou kau pe hono toe fie fakaongo atu ‘ae ngaahi fokotu’u fakakaukau kuo ‘osi lafo’i atu ki he loto fala ‘oe tatala ‘uhinga ‘i he kaveinga ni. Koe taha ‘oe ngaahi natula fakaakoo ki hano vakai’i ta’e tuku pe fifili’i ta’e hela (What is reality?) ha fakamatala ‘a ha taha kehe (pe fa’u tohi) ko ha’ate tomu’a feinga kete muimui’i ‘ae ‘alunga pe ta’au ‘oku hu’ufa ki ai ‘ae toka’anga fakatalanoa (issues) ‘ae tokotaha ko ia. Ko hono ‘uhinga nai he koe taimi ‘oku te fokotu’u talanoa atu ki he tokotaha na’e ‘a’ana tonu ‘ae ngaue ko ia pe ‘oku palanisi fakaako leva ‘ae fa’u fakamatala ‘oku te fai pea ‘oku tali fakaako (Scholarly) kae mahulu atu hono tali Fakalaumalie kapau ‘oku fai ‘ae fakatotolo ko ia he mala’e ‘oe Tala’otua. ‘Oku ou tui koe tu’unga fakamatala na’e fai ‘e Ma’afu fekau’aki moe tu’unga fakamatala na’e fai ‘e Mohenoa na’a ne muimui’i ofi pe fakaofiofi kihe uho ‘oe toka’anga ‘uhinga ‘a Mohenoa fekau’aki mo e “Sisu Tonga” Ko hotau palopalema leva koe ‘ikai ke tau kau hono ma’u kakato ha faingamalie ‘oe fakamatala ko ia ne faingamalie ai 'a Ma'afu ke tau ma’u mo ia ‘e kitautolu ‘ae mahino ko ia. Koe mahino ‘oku tau ma’u he taimi ni ‘oku fakatefito pe ia ‘i he faka’uhinga na’e fai’aki ‘e Ma’afu ‘i he taimi lahi na’a ne ma’u ai ‘ae fakamatala ‘a Mohenoa. Kuo tau lava ‘eni ‘o mamata ha konga ‘oe feinga ‘a Ma’afu kene fakahohoa ‘a ‘ene mahino kia Sisu pea mahino kia Mohenoa ‘ae Sisu ko ia. Ko hotau palopalema leva kau lau tasilisili ‘e kamata ia mei ai. ‘Oku ou tui ‘oku ‘ikai fakaako mo faka’efika pea mama’o atu moe Laumalie ‘oe fakatautehine fakalotu ke tau hanga ‘o anga’i tavale ‘ae ‘uhinga ‘oku lilo he tala’otua ‘a Mohenoa ta’e te tau tukuange ha faingamalie ‘ae Tangata’eiki Puleako ke tuku mai pe na’e tefito ‘i he tu’unga fe ‘o Sisu (Christology) na’e fakalanga mei ai ‘ene feinga fakamatala’i e lahi ‘oe ‘Otua. He kapau na’e makatu’unga ‘i hono tangata (humanity) pea pe ko hono tu’unga ‘Otua (Divinity) pea ‘e toki malie leva ha’atau feinga ke tau kau atu he talanoa ‘ae primary source. ‘Oku ou tui ko kimoutolu ko ia ‘oku mou fai e vete (Biblical exegesis)‘e fu’u kainga ‘aupito mo ‘etau feinga hu atu ke kau’i talanoa he talanoa ‘ae kakai kehe.
Rev. Sisitoutai Taufa
Malo e ngaue lahi mei hena,pea fakafiefa ko e lau hifo ho'o pepaa,toe
fakafiefia ange ko e feloaki he fale ni neongo 'a e 'ikai ha
femataaki,sai pe kuo lava pe 'a e me'a 'e taha,ma fa'a fe'iloaki pe mo
e pule lahi 'aupito,pea malo 'aupito 'a e ako mo e ngaue kuo lava.
Fakatokanga'i hifo 'i ho'o fakamatala,ta ne ke 'osi tu'u ko e he hala ki
Tafahi pea mei sio ai leva 'a Pesi mo e fanau 'i NTT he he kae malo
ho'o matapoto 'o ke hao maii..Fai foki 'a e ng. 'aliaki 'a e ngaahi sea
'i'olunga kae faka'ofa 'a e si'i kakai ia ;o e Siasi,'ikai te nau lava
ke lea hake,puputu'u fakalongolongo pe,'i he funga ho'o fakamatala mo
hono fakatamaiki'i koee,pea 'ikai fai 'a e me'a na'e totonu ke fai 'e he
palesiteni,he ko e ongo faifekau loua kimoua.
Ki he kaha'u ke fokotu'u ha komiti 'a e konifelenisi ke siofi 'a e
ngaahi issues pehe ni,ko e taa 'a e lango kei mama'o,he kuo kamata ke
'asi hake 'a e ngaahi fakakaukau pehee he ngaahi 'aho ni ,pea 'e lahi
'aupito he kaha'u,fale'i 'a JH ki ai,ke 'ave ki he ng.kolisi tohitapu 'a
e Siasi,pea 'oku ou tui ko e 'aonga ia 'a e ngaahi fakakaukau lelei kuo
fofola mai 'i hotau fale ni, ma'afu 'oku mou tokolahi fe'unga pe
kimoutolu ke fai.
Ko e me'a ko eni ko e me'a fakaako pea 'oku 'iai pe hono
veteki'anga,kapau ko e tauhi vaa,ta he'ikai pe lava ha me'a ia,ko ia pe
'e 'i he mafai ma'olunga ,malohi 'aupito pe ia ,pea ko e 'atunga ee
'ita au kia Senituli,ta ko e 'oku tonu ia ka te 'oho atu kita he saliote
maumau,malo Seni e kataki,fakamolemole atu,tui pe te ke fiefia he ki'i
fakakaukau ko enii pe 'e 'ave fakaku ke a'u ki he konifelenisika ko 'ene
a'u ko e taim pe ia.,'oku mahino pe foki 'ene pelepelengesi 'a e me'a ni
ko e feuluulufi 'a e famili mo e angw 'o e nofo.Ka 'oku fai 'a e 'ofa
atu kiate koe mo Pesi mo e fanau Sisi T.
> ‘Oku ou fakamalumalu atu pe moe alangafale ‘oe paenga ni kae tuku
> pe keu lavelave atu he kaveinga kuo fai hono matuai’i. ‘Oku ou kau
> pe hono toe fie fakaongo atu ‘ae ngaahi fokotu’u fakakaukau kuo
> ‘osi lafo’i atu ki he loto fala ‘oe tatala ‘uhinga ‘i he kaveinga
> ni. Koe taha ‘oe ngaahi natula fakaakoo ki hano vakai’i ta’e tuku
> pe fifili’i ta’e hela (What is reality?) ha fakamatala ‘a ha taha
> kehe (pe fa’u tohi) ko ha’ate tomu’a feinga kete muimui’i ‘ae
> ‘alunga pe ta’au ‘oku hu’ufa ki ai ‘ae toka’anga fakatalanoa
> (issues) ‘ae tokotaha ko ia. Ko hono ‘uhinga nai he koe taimi ‘oku
> te fokotu’u talanoa atu ki he tokotaha na’e ‘a’ana tonu ‘ae ngaue
> ko ia pe ‘oku palanisi fakaako leva ‘ae fa’u fakamatala ‘oku te
> fai pea ‘oku tali fakaako (Scholarly) kae mahulu atu hono tali
> Fakalaumalie kapau ‘oku fai ‘ae fakatotolo ko ia he mala’e ‘oe
> Tala’otua. ‘Oku ou tui koe tu’unga fakamatala na’e fai ‘e Ma’afu
> fekau’aki moe tu’unga fakamatala na’e fai ‘e Mohenoa na’a ne
> muimui’i ofi pe fakaofiofi kihe uho ‘oe toka’anga ‘uhinga ‘a
> ia ne faingamalie ai 'a Ma'afu ke tau ma’u mo ia ‘e kitautolu ‘ae
> mahino ko ia. Koe mahino ‘oku tau ma’u he taimi ni ‘oku fakatefito
> pe ia ‘i he faka’uhinga na’e fai’aki ‘e Ma’afu ‘i he taimi lahi
> na’a ne ma’u ai ‘ae fakamatala ‘a Mohenoa. Kuo tau lava ‘eni ‘o
> mamata ha konga ‘oe feinga ‘a Ma’afu kene fakahohoa ‘a ‘ene mahino
> kia Sisu pea mahino kia Mohenoa ‘ae Sisu ko ia. Ko hotau
> palopalema leva kau lau tasilisili ‘e kamata ia mei ai. ‘Oku ou
> tui ‘oku ‘ikai fakaako mo faka’efika pea mama’o atu moe Laumalie
> ‘oe fakatautehine fakalotu ke tau hanga ‘o anga’i tavale ‘ae
> ‘uhinga ‘oku lilo he tala’otua ‘a Mohenoa ta’e te tau tukuange ha
> faingamalie ‘ae Tangata’eiki Puleako ke tuku mai pe na’e tefito ‘i
> (*Divinity) pea ‘e toki malie leva ha’atau feinga ke tau kau atu
> mou fai e vete (Biblical exegesis)‘e fu’u kainga ‘aupito mo ‘etau
> feinga hu atu ke kau’i talanoa he talanoa ‘ae kakai kehe.
>
>
>
> Tau pehe ni pe 'e anga pehe ni ha fifili ha taha ki he kaveinga
> ni: Hange koe ki’i fakatataa ko ‘eni: (Tu’unga tangata) Kapau ko
> ta’engata atu mo hono ‘Otua kakato* he *Sisu Siu* pea kapau koe
> kae si’i tukuange aa ‘ae ta’e fakangatangata ke ‘Otua aa ‘o mafai
> ke MAFEIA, TOKAIMA’ANANGA MO ‘AFIO HE POTU KOTOA PE (Ominscience,
> Ominpresent, Ominpotance). Hange koe pehe ‘e Ma’afu na’e toki ‘alu
> atu pe ‘ae Misinale ia ki Tonga moe Kosipeli! Kapau ‘e ‘i ai ha
> faingamalie ‘a Mohenoa kene tatala mai ‘ene tala’otua fekau’aki
> moe lea “Kosipeli” pe na’a ‘oku ‘uhinga pe ia kia Sisu ‘aee na’e
> ‘i he kamata’anga ‘aee ‘oku lea mai kia ‘a Sione1:1. Tau manatu’i
> foki ‘oku toki kamata ‘ae Tohi Senesi 1:1 ia he veesi 3 ‘oe
> Folofola 2: Koe tokotaha ko ia na’e ‘i he kamata’anga, ‘o feangai
> Senesi 1: 1 “’I he kamata’anga na’e fakatupu ‘e he ‘Otua ‘ae langi
> koee na’e hoko mai ‘i he manava ‘oe Siu ko Mele pea toe fakahingoa
> pe ia mei Langi (‘o ‘ikai ko ha tauhingoa ki ha kui ‘a Mele) ‘ehe
>
>
>
> ‘Oku ou tui ‘e toe malieange ‘ae ngaahi tanumaki fakalotukalafi
> ‘oka pau ‘e toe si’i lava mai moe original documentation ‘a
> Mohenoa ki he Fale ni. Pea kapau 'e 'ikai lava mai pea 'e matuku
> atu 'ae kau mamata fuhu mo 'enau pehe pe "Malohi e masi'i koee koe
> 'ikai lava mai 'ae masi'i koee" toki pehe mai moe fu'u konaa ia ta
> koe he'ikai lava e va'inga kae mole 'eku ki'i 'Kelesi" 'ikai koe
> ki'i seniti!!" ‘Oku ou tui kapau te tau tali koe kau kalisitiane
> kitautolu pea koe anga ‘eni ‘etau feinga 'a hotau pukupuku mo
> pe kuo fakakoloa taau taha ‘aki kitautolu. Na’a faifai kuo tau
> fetuhuaki pea toe valevaleange ai ‘ae ‘Otua Lahi ‘oku tau mo’ui
> ai. Tau tasilisili lelei pe he koe Sisu pe ‘a mamani. Kuo ha ‘ae
> “TOLU TAHA ‘OTUA” -‘EI KOE TAHA TOLU” ‘ikai nai ke tokoni ia ki
> hano tali hangatonu pea ‘uli’uli mo hinehine ‘ae fifili ni?
>
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sitiveni
ko e fehu'i eni ia 'a e kaikoa mo'oni. hahahheheh!
On Jun 24, 11:52 pm, Lotopoha Jeruel <selueleth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> faifekau malo afe mai ki he fale ni pea malo mu'a e lototo'a ke tu'umai he
> tafa'aki ko ena. 'Oku fkfiefia ho'o lave kuo fai tautautefito ki he konga ko
> ena felave'i mo e fktalanoa ki he pule sia 'a toutai.
>
> 'Oku 'IKAI foki ma'u 'i he fale ni ia ha tatau 'o e pepa 'a e puleako sia 'a
> toutai, ngata pe 'i ho'o pepa.
>
> 1). Ko e Ha ha'o lau ki he lave ne fai 'e Tevita Havea felave'i mo e Fuakava
> Motu'a pea pehe ki he Fuakava Fo'ou, 'a ee na'a ne hanga ai 'o fkhoa ki he
> fa'ahinga founga 'a e pule ako sia 'atoutai? (ko e lau 'a Tevita Havea ne
> 'uhinga mai ki he talanoa he Sisu-Tonga)
>
> 'ofa atu mo e lotu
> lotopoha
Rev. Sisitoutai Taufa
'eaa?'ofa atu Sisi T.
fusi mapuhoi a tevolo
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
'oku ou manatu ki he ki'i character ko ee ko kaikoa he faiva kalate. ko e fehu'i eni ia 'a e kaikoa mo'oni. hahahheheh!
ko e ha 'oku 'ikai keke "off list" pe kia loto pea "off list" atu 'a loto kia Koe pea 'osi... katau hoko atu,
Saikolone Taufa
sitiveni
poha pea teu tuku a kema tuku atu... 'oua e lea noa mai kae talanoa
hake he issue. pea taha lea hake ki he kakai 'oku kapekape 'i faleni
kae tuku noa'i 'ema me'a maumau taimi ia 'amaua koeni e...
huhuhuhhehehahh!!!
On Jun 25, 9:27 am, fusi mapuhoi a tevolo <afus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:43:52 -0700
> Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
> From: sk...@bigpond.com
> To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
>
> 'oku ou manatu ki he ki'i character ko ee ko kaikoa he faiva kalate. ko e fehu'i eni ia 'a e kaikoa mo'oni. hahahheheh!
>
> >========= masi'i toko2, kuo kamata ke tutuli homau telingaa, ho'omo tau kapekape...hahahaha,
>
> ko e ha 'oku 'ikai keke "off list" pe kia loto pea "off list" atu 'a loto kia Koe pea 'osi... katau hoko atu,
>
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iki
na'e hoko henii; kou tui 'e fu'u mahu'inga 'aupito ke tau lava 'o 'a'alo'i
'etau kehekehee ka tau lava 'o 'ai 'etau fanauu he mu'omu'a he me'a
kotoa....lotu mo e komunitii....ko e fekau ia 'a sisuu....'i he pee ko hoku
pule'angaa ko e kii tamasi'i ko eni 'oku tu'u homou lotolotongaa....pea ne
toe fakamahino pee mou fafanga 'eku fanga lamii ..pope
------------------------------
seni taniela
On Wed, 24/6/09, Rev. Sisitoutai Taufa <ngal...@optusnet.com.au> wo Seni e kataki,fakamolemole atu,tui pe te ke
> fakakaukau ko enii pe 'e 'ave fakaku ke a'u ki he
> konifelenisika ko 'ene
> a'u ko e taim pe ia.,'oku mahino pe foki 'ene pelepelengesi
> 'a e me'a ni
> ko e feuluulufi 'a e famili mo e angw 'o e nofo.Ka 'oku fai
Kataki Sisitoutai,
'Ikai ha mamahi atu...pea 'oku lelei pee ho'o fakatokanga maii...na'a too kitu'a ha fiepoto, ka ko hono mo'onii 'oku tau mamahi'i kotoa e siasii. Pea kapau ko e mo'oni ko e ngaahi kupu kitautolu 'o Kalaisi 'i hono sino ko e siasi, 'e 'ikai nai ke kovi ki he kauva'ee ke pehee atu ki he fo'i'ulu 'oku faitu'utu'uni maii pee ko e 'ai ke 'ave e Sino kia sisu Tongaa ke 'uma'aki??
Kau au he ngulungulu fei'umu talu e 'asi e sisu Tongaa he 90 tupuu, pea ne toe tohi mai hoku cousins mei Fanga o pilolevu ne kau he ta'u ni he drama sisu tongaa...malo mo e 'ohake 'e ma'afu ke mau 'asi hake ai...feefee si'i ngaahi matu'a ta'eako 'oku 'ikai ha'anau le'o. Kapau he'ikai discuss ia he konifelenisii , mahalo pee ko e feitu'u pee 'eni 'e lava ai ha felingiaki
kapau peeaa ne 'asi he ngaahi fonua muli ha sisu aositelelia, sisu 'apo, pe sisu initia kula etc...mahalo he'ikai toe fehu'ia e sisu tongaa etc...ko e fakaoli he 'oku 'asi fakafolofola mai e mohengaa kae apply iaa 'oku ngali mama'o atu ia he Folofolaa, pee ko e effectiveness 'o e founga tala'Otua ko 'enii.
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iki
Sisilia Thomas
From: iki <iki....@tonganyouth.org.nz>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 25 June, 2009 12:19:21 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
----- Original Message -----From: fusi mapuhoi a tevoloSent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:27 AMSubject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:43:52 -0700
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
From: sk...@bigpond.com
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
'oku ou manatu ki he ki'i character ko ee ko kaikoa he faiva kalate. ko e fehu'i eni ia 'a e kaikoa mo'oni. hahahheheh!
>========= masi'i toko2, kuo kamata ke tutuli homau telingaa, ho'omo tau kapekape...hahahaha,
ko e ha 'oku 'ikai keke "off list" pe kia loto pea "off list" atu 'a loto kia Koe pea 'osi... katau hoko atu,
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----- Original Message -----From: fusi mapuhoi a tevoloSent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:27 AMSubject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:43:52 -0700
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
From: sk...@bigpond.com
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
'oku ou manatu ki he ki'i character ko ee ko kaikoa he faiva kalate. ko e fehu'i eni ia 'a e kaikoa mo'oni. hahahheheh!
>========= masi'i toko2, kuo kamata ke tutuli homau telingaa, ho'omo tau kapekape...hahahaha,
ko e ha 'oku 'ikai keke "off list" pe kia loto pea "off list" atu 'a loto kia Koe pea 'osi... katau hoko atu,
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koe ia he 'oku mau 'ilo 'emautolu ko 'aho faifekau koe neongo e
mapuhoi. mahalo ko e he mai meihe forum e kauleka ko ee he tonga net
he 'oku nau 'ai pulou kotoa. hehehahah!!! 'oua teke lea pehe ko e ki
hoku ta'okete ko lotopoha e!!!
>
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Grow up guys! (Sisilia)
Faifekau Sisilia,
kataki he fkheleleu holo he vaha'a 'o veni mo lotopoha... Ko e feinga ai pe ke malu'i ee kolotau(oz ni)... He 'oku ou sio atu, 'oku laulau pe 'a veni ia mo 'unu'unu mai ke ofi mai kia poha, kuou 'ilo 'e aU ia faifekau, kapau te naa fe-a'utaki? te nA fuhu kinaua ia...hahaha, 'ave ai pe ko e nu'u(oz ni) fuhu 'o tau3...(ko e toe fuhu ee) loke mo seni e!
Sio! ko pope 'ena ia kuo kamata 'ene kataa 'anA... hahaha,
'oku 'ikai teu 'ai pone? he 'oku 'ikai ko ha Rev aU,
mapuhoi 'a tevolo.
sitiveni
na'a ku sipoti he lele mita e 100 e! ko e toki lele pe 'a e sino ia...
teu fuhu ngutu holo pe ka e vave pe ki he lele ka ala mai taha e!
hahahahehe! 'e fkmaa ange ha tu'u atu ia e! pea ko e taha foki mapu
mou 'ofa mai 'o lea atu ki he kakai 'oku hua pango mo kapekape 'i fale
ni he 'oku 'ikai ke ma fekaapeaki!!! hange kia au ko e me'a ia 'oku
tonu kemou lea ki ai... tuku noa'i mu'a maua ia kema freedom ka mou
lea atu ki he kau hua pango 'o faleni he ko e me'a ia 'oku 'ikai taau.
pea taha mahalo ko e fefine 'a poha ia kae pehe ia ko e tangata. ko e
langa pe foki e lau ka mou tokanga hake ki he lesoni 'o e sapate pea
mou ta'ota'ofi atu e kau kapekape 'o faleni he 'oku 'ikai kema
kapekape. malo
On Jun 25, 5:05 pm, fusi mapuhoi a tevolo <afus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Óku sai pe á e offlist ia Iki, kapau ko ha meá kehe. Ko hono taéoli ó e off-list á e niíhi he fale ni, ko énau fakakau mai á e kakai kehe íkai ke nau kau he paenga ni, ke nau lau mai mo taataapuni mai e ngutu (tulou) ó e kakai he paenga ni, he lea ki heénau ponee!
>
> Grow up guys! (Sisilia)
>
> ============
>
> Faifekau Sisilia,
>
> kataki he fkheleleu holo he vaha'a 'o veni mo lotopoha... Ko e feinga ai pe ke malu'i ee kolotau(oz ni)... He 'oku ou sio atu, 'oku laulau pe 'a veni ia mo 'unu'unu mai ke ofi mai kia poha, kuou 'ilo 'e aU ia faifekau, kapau te naa fe-a'utaki? te nA fuhu kinaua ia...hahaha, 'ave ai pe ko e nu'u(oz ni) fuhu 'o tau3...(ko e toe fuhu ee) loke mo seni e!
>
> Sio! ko pope 'ena ia kuo kamata 'ene kataa 'anA... hahaha,
>
> 'oku 'ikai teu 'ai pone? he 'oku 'ikai ko ha Rev aU,
>
> mapuhoi 'a tevolo.
>
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From: sitiveni <sk...@bigpond.com>
To: Tasilisili-he-ngaluope <tasil...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 25 June, 2009 6:40:37 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
Sam Pakofe
ko e fehu'i eni ia 'a e kaikoa mo'oni. hahahheheh!
fusi mapuhoi a tevolo
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Veni,
kataki! sai pe keu lea atu pe kia Koe ee...! 1) he 'oku kE?/pea 'oku tau faikava ee... 2) te'eki keu maheni aU mo lotopoha? ko 'eku sai'i pe 'aku he 'enE fa'a pakipaki mai he 'etau ngaahi kaveinga ee... 3) kataki'i 'eku fa'a lea atu kia Koe, he ko e lea pe 'a e TA'OKETE ki hono TEHINA ee...hahaha(No kohu e!)
4) ko e toe 'ai keu lea ki hai? 'oku tau 'i fale ni kotoa pee...
veni ko si'eku fkheleleu holo pe ai 'a 'akU? ka 'oku tau kei KAU pe...! 'ofa atu...! katau toki sio!
mapuhoi 'a tevolo.
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----- Original Message -----From: fusi mapuhoi a tevoloSent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:10 AMSubject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
fusi mapuhoi a tevolo
ki'i BAKA atu 'eni, he 'ai pone!
mapuhoi 'a tevolo.
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sitiveni
e mo'oni taha pe ia. kiate au ka ai ha taha 'oku toi mai ha hingoa ko
e kete kovi ia pea ka ai ha taha 'oku ne play one argument of another
'oku 'ilo'i ia he mala'e 'o e ako ko e kaikoa (my interpretation).
someone with no scholarly intergrity. 'oku lahi pe me'a ni ia ko ho'o
mou toki kau mai pe he talanoa koeni ke fktonutonu au. ko hai ko aa
na'a ne 'oatu kemou hoko ko e kau fkmaau 'i he talanoa koeni? 'oku ou
manatu'i ko koe fkongo na'e fehi'a lahi taha he fkpuli mo toitoi mai
ha hingoa 'i faleni. kae mahalo kuo ngalo ia he 'oku tatau foki ho'o
me'a mo lotopoha. hehehuhuhu! mou 'ofa mai aa 'o tokanga atu ki he
lesoni 'o e uike he ko e me'a ia 'oku fk'amu mai ki ai e kakai kae
si'i tuku mu'a homou faifkmaau 'i he talanoa koeni he na'e 'ikai ke
mou kau he talanoa koeni 'aki ha mou contribute ki ai. malo
On Jun 25, 8:06 pm, Sam Pakofe <pako...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> 'oku ou manatu ki he ki'i character ko ee ko kaikoa he faiva kalate.
> ko e fehu'i eni ia 'a e kaikoa mo'oni. hahahheheh!
>
> Koe Faifekau malolo 'ena kuo Kole atu.........
>
> mou 'ofa mai kau tasilisili, 'o poupou'ii e me'a 'oku sai, he koe me'a ia 'oku feinga kiai 'ae Kau Tauhi Tepile , ke fakamole 'ehe taha hano taimi 'o tukutuku mamalie ki Loto ha mea ketau potalanoa ai...
>
> pea to'o ho'omou fakakaukau meihe me'a maumau taimi ko'eni,,,,,, ko'ete feinga koaa 'oku mo'oni 'ete lau : tuku iaaa..
>
> fai e talanaoa pea te toki to'o aipe me'a 'oku te loto kiai, kae 'oua e fu'u fakaniupapua pehee ...
>
> sami.
>
hamilto...@paradise.net.nz
Mapuhoi, malo 'a e maama 'a hono fanga matapule 'o fakalongolongo kae hao 'ene
vainga he kau tama V.V.pea mo e Funga Fa'ato'o. Ka neu 'i hena na'e mei sio
aipe 'a pope he 'ata totonu 'o e mala'e Ko Babalangi 'oku lave ki ai 'a e
talanoa 'o e Poata Pilinisi. 'oku fai e vainga noa 'a pope kae 'ikai ke ne
fakatokanga'i si'i Lief ko'ene kui mei Fa'atoto. Malo 'a e
Saipe, mapuhoi kau alu atu au 'i he uike faka'osi 'o Akosi 'o fakalele'i. Pea
mou lukuluku koini hake ki ai.
mo e ofa mei he Nurisng Chapel
hausia i moana taufu'i
fusi mapuhoi a tevolo
Saipe, mapuhoi kau alu atu au 'i he uike faka'osi 'o Akosi 'o fakalele'i. Pea mou lukuluku koini hake ki ai.
mo e ofa mei he Nurisng Chapel
hausia i moana taufu'i
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Maafu Palu
faifekau malo afe mai ki he fale ni pea malo mu'a e lototo'a ke tu'umai he tafa'aki ko ena. 'Oku fkfiefia ho'o lave kuo fai tautautefito ki he konga ko ena felave'i mo e fktalanoa ki he pule sia 'a toutai.'Oku 'IKAI foki ma'u 'i he fale ni ia ha tatau 'o e pepa 'a e puleako sia 'a toutai, ngata pe 'i ho'o pepa.1). Ko e Ha ha'o lau ki he lave ne fai 'e Tevita Havea felave'i mo e Fuakava Motu'a pea pehe ki he Fuakava Fo'ou, 'a ee na'a ne hanga ai 'o fkhoa ki he fa'ahinga founga 'a e pule ako sia 'atoutai? (ko e lau 'a Tevita Havea ne 'uhinga mai ki he talanoa he Sisu-Tonga)'ofa atu mo e lotulotopoha
2009/6/22 Maafu Palu <maafu...@gmail.com>
Misi Kava,Malo ho'o lau, ka 'okapau na'a ke lau fakalelei 'eku fakamatala "Sisu Tonga", 'oku 'ikai te u tokanga au ko e 'ai ke malohi he tipeiti mo e fa'ahinga me'a pehe. 'Oku mole hotau taimi 'otautolu he fakakikihi 'uhinga ko 'ai ke malohi he tipeiti. 'Oku 'ikai ko ha tipeiti 'oku ou fai, ka ko e fakatonutonu 'o ha akonaki hala fakatokateline mo fakatohitapu kuo hake mai ki hotau fonua.Hange pe ko e fai 'a Paula 'i he Tohitapu. 'Oku tau 'ilo pe ki he ngaahi akonaki hala na'a ne fakatonutonu, mei he ngaahi tohi 'a Paula. 'Oku hoko 'a e ngaahi tohi 'a Paula ko e poupou 'o e Siasi koe'uhi he na'e 'ikai ko e tipeiti, ka ko 'ene fakatonutonu. 'E 'ikai lau 'eku fakamatala ki he "Sisu Tonga" 'i he mafai tatau mo Paula, ka ko e fakakaukau tatau 'oku ou fokotu'u ai 'a e fakamatala.Ko e "Sisu Tonga" 'oku 'ikai ko e Sisu ia 'o e Tohitapu 'a ee 'oku taau ke tau tataki ki ai 'a e kakai Tonga ke nau tui ki ai 'o ma'u mo'ui ta'engata 'i he tui kiate ia. 'Oku 'ataa 'aupito pe 'a Mohenoa ia ke 'omi ha'ane fakamatala ki he Tasilisili ka 'oku ou tui 'oku mahino pe ki he kakai 'a e 'uhinga 'o e me'a 'a Mohenoa.Ko e Sisu 'o e Tohitapu, (mo'oni ko e Folofola ia na'e 'Otua 'i he Kamata'anga), na'e 'ikai ke 'i Tonga ia pe 'iloa ia 'i he ha'a 'Otua 'o Tonga kimu'a pea toki a'u atu ki ai 'a e kau misinale mo e Tohitapu (Sio ki he fakamatala 'a William Mariner ki he ngaahi 'otua 'o Tonga).He 'oku mo'oni e lau 'a Dr Molitoni he'ene Himi: "He na'e tu'u ki ai 'a e Lotu (ki Tonga), Omi 'a e kau faifekau (misinale 'i he senituli 19) 'O fanongo 'e he Motu (ko Tonga) ki he me'a 'a e Tohitapu, 'o Tafoki 'a e hou'eiki mo e Hau (Himi 391). Na'e 'ikai te tau mei 'ilo 'a e Sisu 'o Nasaleti 'okaneta'e'oua 'a hono faka'ilo mai kiate kitautolu 'i Tonga 'e he Tohitapu.Ko e lau 'a Paula 'ia Efeso 2:11-15 'oku makatu'unga ai 'eku fakamatala ki he mahu'inga 'o Sisu kiate kitautolu Tonga. He ko e kau Senitaile kitautolu 'i he lau 'a e Siu. Pea na'a tau taka he "univeesi ta'ema'u 'otua" kimu'a pea toki a'u mai 'a e Kosipeli ki hotau fonua he senituli 19. Ka ko e ta'ata'a 'o Sisu ko hotau melino'anga ia mo e 'Otua, 'oku ne fakaofi kitautolu ki he monu'ia na'e tala'ofa'aki 'e he 'Otua kia Epalahame mo hono hako (Sen 12:3; Kal 3:8). Ko e Sisu ia 'oku taau ke nofotaha ki ai 'etau ngaahi malanga.'ofa atu mo e lotu,Ma'afu
20/6/16 Semisi Kava <semis...@yahoo.com.au>
‘Oku ou fakamalumalu atu pe moe alangafale ‘oe paenga ni kae tuku pe keu lavelave atu he kaveinga kuo fai hono matuai’i. ‘Oku ou kau pe hono toe fie fakaongo atu ‘ae ngaahi fokotu’u fakakaukau kuo ‘osi lafo’i atu ki he loto fala ‘oe tatala ‘uhinga ‘i he kaveinga ni. Koe taha ‘oe ngaahi natula fakaakoo ki hano vakai’i ta’e tuku pe fifili’i ta’e hela (What is reality?) ha fakamatala ‘a ha taha kehe (pe fa’u tohi) ko ha’ate tomu’a feinga kete muimui’i ‘ae ‘alunga pe ta’au ‘oku hu’ufa ki ai ‘ae toka’anga fakatalanoa (issues) ‘ae tokotaha ko ia. Ko hono ‘uhinga nai he koe taimi ‘oku te fokotu’u talanoa atu ki he tokotaha na’e ‘a’ana tonu ‘ae ngaue ko ia pe ‘oku palanisi fakaako leva ‘ae fa’u fakamatala ‘oku te fai pea ‘oku tali fakaako (Scholarly) kae mahulu atu hono tali Fakalaumalie kapau ‘oku fai ‘ae fakatotolo ko ia he mala’e ‘oe Tala’otua. ‘Oku ou tui koe tu’unga fakamatala na’e fai ‘e Ma’afu fekau’aki moe tu’unga fakamatala na’e fai ‘e Mohenoa na’a ne muimui’i ofi pe fakaofiofi kihe uho ‘oe toka’anga ‘uhinga ‘a Mohenoa fekau’aki mo e “Sisu Tonga” Ko hotau palopalema leva koe ‘ikai ke tau kau hono ma’u kakato ha faingamalie ‘oe fakamatala ko ia ne faingamalie ai 'a Ma'afu ke tau ma’u mo ia ‘e kitautolu ‘ae mahino ko ia. Koe mahino ‘oku tau ma’u he taimi ni ‘oku fakatefito pe ia ‘i he faka’uhinga na’e fai’aki ‘e Ma’afu ‘i he taimi lahi na’a ne ma’u ai ‘ae fakamatala ‘a Mohenoa. Kuo tau lava ‘eni ‘o mamata ha konga ‘oe feinga ‘a Ma’afu kene fakahohoa ‘a ‘ene mahino kia Sisu pea mahino kia Mohenoa ‘ae Sisu ko ia. Ko hotau palopalema leva kau lau tasilisili ‘e kamata ia mei ai. ‘Oku ou tui ‘oku ‘ikai fakaako mo faka’efika pea mama’o atu moe Laumalie ‘oe fakatautehine fakalotu ke tau hanga ‘o anga’i tavale ‘ae ‘uhinga ‘oku lilo he tala’otua ‘a Mohenoa ta’e te tau tukuange ha faingamalie ‘ae Tangata’eiki Puleako ke tuku mai pe na’e tefito ‘i he tu’unga fe ‘o Sisu (Christology) na’e fakalanga mei ai ‘ene feinga fakamatala’i e lahi ‘oe ‘Otua. He kapau na’e makatu’unga ‘i hono tangata (humanity) pea pe ko hono tu’unga ‘Otua (Divinity) pea ‘e toki malie leva ha’atau feinga ke tau kau atu he talanoa ‘ae primary source. ‘Oku ou tui ko kimoutolu ko ia ‘oku mou fai e vete (Biblical exegesis)‘e fu’u kainga ‘aupito mo ‘etau feinga hu atu ke kau’i talanoa he talanoa ‘ae kakai kehe.
Tau pehe ni pe 'e anga pehe ni ha fifili ha taha ki he kaveinga ni: Hange koe ki’i fakatataa ko ‘eni: (Tu’unga tangata) Kapau ko ‘ene Siu (tangata kakato) pe pea ngata ai ka ko ‘ene toe pipiki ta’engata atu mo hono ‘Otua kakato he Sisu Siu pea kapau koe Sisu ‘Otua pea tau fakamolemole aa ‘a kitaua koe fakangatangata kae si’i tukuange aa ‘ae ta’e fakangatangata ke ‘Otua aa ‘o mafai ke MAFEIA, TOKAIMA’ANANGA MO ‘AFIO HE POTU KOTOA PE (Ominscience, Ominpresent, Ominpotance). Hange koe pehe ‘e Ma’afu na’e toki ‘alu atu pe ‘ae Misinale ia ki Tonga moe Kosipeli! Kapau ‘e ‘i ai ha faingamalie ‘a Mohenoa kene tatala mai ‘ene tala’otua fekau’aki moe lea “Kosipeli” pe na’a ‘oku ‘uhinga pe ia kia Sisu ‘aee na’e ‘i he kamata’anga ‘aee ‘oku lea mai kia ‘a Sione1:1. Tau manatu’i foki ‘oku toki kamata ‘ae Tohi Senesi 1:1 ia he veesi 3 ‘oe Kosipeli na’e hiki tohi ‘e Sione “I he kamata’anga kuo ‘i ai ‘a FOLOFOLA, pea na’e feangai moe ‘Otua ‘a Folofola pea na’e ‘Otua ‘a Folofola 2: Koe tokotaha ko ia na’e ‘i he kamata’anga, ‘o feangai moe ‘Otua 3: Koe hoko mai ‘ae me’a kotoa pe na’e fou ‘iate ia pea na’e ‘ikai ha momo’i me’a ‘e taha ‘e hoko mai ‘o ‘ata’ataa mo Ia. Senesi 1: 1 “’I he kamata’anga na’e fakatupu ‘e he ‘Otua ‘ae langi mo mamani.” Pea kapau ko ‘ene tu’u ‘ena he TOHITAPU pea ta na’e si’i toki tupu hake pe si’i Tonga ia kuo ‘i ai ‘a FOLOFOLA ‘aee koee na’e hoko mai ‘i he manava ‘oe Siu ko Mele pea toe fakahingoa pe ia mei Langi (‘o ‘ikai ko ha tauhingoa ki ha kui ‘a Mele) ‘ehe kau ‘Angelo mei langi “Hingoa pe ia ko Sisu ka tau mo’ui ai. Sio ki he malie!!
‘Oku ou tui ‘e toe malieange ‘ae ngaahi tanumaki fakalotukalafi ‘oka pau ‘e toe si’i lava mai moe original documentation ‘a Mohenoa ki he Fale ni. Pea kapau 'e 'ikai lava mai pea 'e matuku atu 'ae kau mamata fuhu mo 'enau pehe pe "Malohi e masi'i koee koe 'ikai lava mai 'ae masi'i koee" toki pehe mai moe fu'u konaa ia ta koe he'ikai lava e va'inga kae mole 'eku ki'i 'Kelesi" 'ikai koe ki'i seniti!!" ‘Oku ou tui kapau te tau tali koe kau kalisitiane kitautolu pea koe anga ‘eni ‘etau feinga 'a hotau pukupuku mo fakangatangata ni ke alasi ha kihi’i ‘inisi ‘oe ‘O-TU’A pea ‘oku ou tui te tau loto lelei ke tau tali hotau ngaahi maama’anga kotoa pe kuo fakakoloa taau taha ‘aki kitautolu. Na’a faifai kuo tau fetuhuaki pea toe valevaleange ai ‘ae ‘Otua Lahi ‘oku tau mo’ui ai. Tau tasilisili lelei pe he koe Sisu pe ‘a mamani. Kuo ha ‘ae “TOLU TAHA ‘OTUA” -‘EI KOE TAHA TOLU” ‘ikai nai ke tokoni ia ki hano tali hangatonu pea ‘uli’uli mo hinehine ‘ae fifili ni?
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----- Original Message -----From: Semisi KavaSent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:42 PMSubject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
‘Oku ou fakamalumalu atu pe moe alangafale ‘oe paenga ni kae tuku pe keu lavelave atu he kaveinga kuo fai hono matuai’i. ‘Oku ou kau pe hono toe fie fakaongo atu ‘ae ngaahi fokotu’u fakakaukau kuo ‘osi lafo’i atu ki he loto fala ‘oe tatala ‘uhinga ‘i he kaveinga ni. Koe taha ‘oe ngaahi natula fakaakoo ki hano vakai’i ta’e tuku pe fifili’i ta’e hela (What is reality?) ha fakamatala ‘a ha taha kehe (pe fa’u tohi) ko ha’ate tomu’a feinga kete muimui’i ‘ae ‘alunga pe ta’au ‘oku hu’ufa ki ai ‘ae toka’anga fakatalanoa (issues) ‘ae tokotaha ko ia. Ko hono ‘uhinga nai he koe taimi ‘oku te fokotu’u talanoa atu ki he tokotaha na’e ‘a’ana tonu ‘ae ngaue ko ia pe ‘oku palanisi fakaako leva ‘ae fa’u fakamatala ‘oku te fai pea ‘oku tali fakaako (Scholarly) kae mahulu atu hono tali Fakalaumalie kapau ‘oku fai ‘ae fakatotolo ko ia he mala’e ‘oe Tala’otua. ‘Oku ou tui koe tu’unga fakamatala na’e fai ‘e Ma’afu fekau’aki moe tu’unga fakamatala na’e fai ‘e Mohenoa na’a ne muimui’i ofi pe fakaofiofi kihe uho ‘oe toka’anga ‘uhinga ‘a Mohenoa fekau’aki mo e “Sisu Tonga” Ko hotau palopalema leva koe ‘ikai ke tau kau hono ma’u kakato ha faingamalie ‘oe fakamatala ko ia ne faingamalie ai 'a Ma'afu ke tau ma’u mo ia ‘e kitautolu ‘ae mahino ko ia. Koe mahino ‘oku tau ma’u he taimi ni ‘oku fakatefito pe ia ‘i he faka’uhinga na’e fai’aki ‘e Ma’afu ‘i he taimi lahi na’a ne ma’u ai ‘ae fakamatala ‘a Mohenoa. Kuo tau lava ‘eni ‘o mamata ha konga ‘oe feinga ‘a Ma’afu kene fakahohoa ‘a ‘ene mahino kia Sisu pea mahino kia Mohenoa ‘ae Sisu ko ia. Ko hotau palopalema leva kau lau tasilisili ‘e kamata ia mei ai. ‘Oku ou tui ‘oku ‘ikai fakaako mo faka’efika pea mama’o atu moe Laumalie ‘oe fakatautehine fakalotu ke tau hanga ‘o anga’i tavale ‘ae ‘uhinga ‘oku lilo he tala’otua ‘a Mohenoa ta’e te tau tukuange ha faingamalie ‘ae Tangata’eiki Puleako ke tuku mai pe na’e tefito ‘i he tu’unga fe ‘o Sisu (Christology) na’e fakalanga mei ai ‘ene feinga fakamatala’i e lahi ‘oe ‘Otua. He kapau na’e makatu’unga ‘i hono tangata (humanity) pea pe ko hono tu’unga ‘Otua (Divinity) pea ‘e toki malie leva ha’atau feinga ke tau kau atu he talanoa ‘ae primary source. ‘Oku ou tui ko kimoutolu ko ia ‘oku mou fai e vete (Biblical exegesis)‘e fu’u kainga ‘aupito mo ‘etau feinga hu atu ke kau’i talanoa he talanoa ‘ae kakai kehe.
Tau pehe ni pe 'e anga pehe ni ha fifili ha taha ki he kaveinga ni: Hange koe ki’i fakatataa ko ‘eni: (Tu’unga tangata) Kapau ko ‘ene Siu (tangata kakato) pe pea ngata ai ka ko ‘ene toe pipiki ta’engata atu mo hono ‘Otua kakato he Sisu Siu pea kapau koe Sisu ‘Otua pea tau fakamolemole aa ‘a kitaua koe fakangatangata kae si’i tukuange aa ‘ae ta’e fakangatangata ke ‘Otua aa ‘o mafai ke MAFEIA, TOKAIMA’ANANGA MO ‘AFIO HE POTU KOTOA PE (Ominscience, Ominpresent, Ominpotance). Hange koe pehe ‘e Ma’afu na’e toki ‘alu atu pe ‘ae Misinale ia ki Tonga moe Kosipeli! Kapau ‘e ‘i ai ha faingamalie ‘a Mohenoa kene tatala mai ‘ene tala’otua fekau’aki moe lea “Kosipeli” pe na’a ‘oku ‘uhinga pe ia kia Sisu ‘aee na’e ‘i he kamata’anga ‘aee ‘oku lea mai kia ‘a Sione1:1. Tau manatu’i foki ‘oku toki kamata ‘ae Tohi Senesi 1:1 ia he veesi 3 ‘oe Kosipeli na’e hiki tohi ‘e Sione “I he kamata’anga kuo ‘i ai ‘a FOLOFOLA, pea na’e feangai moe ‘Otua ‘a Folofola pea na’e ‘Otua ‘a Folofola 2: Koe tokotaha ko ia na’e ‘i he kamata’anga, ‘o feangai moe ‘Otua 3: Koe hoko mai ‘ae me’a kotoa pe na’e fou ‘iate ia pea na’e ‘ikai ha momo’i me’a ‘e taha ‘e hoko mai ‘o ‘ata’ataa mo Ia. Senesi 1: 1 “’I he kamata’anga na’e fakatupu ‘e he ‘Otua ‘ae langi mo mamani.” Pea kapau ko ‘ene tu’u ‘ena he TOHITAPU pea ta na’e si’i toki tupu hake pe si’i Tonga ia kuo ‘i ai ‘a FOLOFOLA ‘aee koee na’e hoko mai ‘i he manava ‘oe Siu ko Mele pea toe fakahingoa pe ia mei Langi (‘o ‘ikai ko ha tauhingoa ki ha kui ‘a Mele) ‘ehe kau ‘Angelo mei langi “Hingoa pe ia ko Sisu ka tau mo’ui ai. Sio ki he malie!!
‘Oku ou tui ‘e toe malieange ‘ae ngaahi tanumaki fakalotukalafi ‘oka pau ‘e toe si’i lava mai moe original documentation ‘a Mohenoa ki he Fale ni. Pea kapau 'e 'ikai lava mai pea 'e matuku atu 'ae kau mamata fuhu mo 'enau pehe pe "Malohi e masi'i koee koe 'ikai lava mai 'ae masi'i koee" toki pehe mai moe fu'u konaa ia ta koe he'ikai lava e va'inga kae mole 'eku ki'i 'Kelesi" 'ikai koe ki'i seniti!!" ‘Oku ou tui kapau te tau tali koe kau kalisitiane kitautolu pea koe anga ‘eni ‘etau feinga 'a hotau pukupuku mo fakangatangata ni ke alasi ha kihi’i ‘inisi ‘oe ‘O-TU’A pea ‘oku ou tui te tau loto lelei ke tau tali hotau ngaahi maama’anga kotoa pe kuo fakakoloa taau taha ‘aki kitautolu. Na’a faifai kuo tau fetuhuaki pea toe valevaleange ai ‘ae ‘Otua Lahi ‘oku tau mo’ui ai. Tau tasilisili lelei pe he koe Sisu pe ‘a mamani. Kuo ha ‘ae “TOLU TAHA ‘OTUA” -‘EI KOE TAHA TOLU” ‘ikai nai ke tokoni ia ki hano tali hangatonu pea ‘uli’uli mo hinehine ‘ae fifili ni?
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Kiate au ko huku fakamo'ui, na'e 'ikai makatu'unga ia he Siu 'o Sisu. 'Oku ou tui 'oku mahino lelei 'aupito kiate kitautolu. Ko Sisu Tangata 'oku 'ikai koha pure Siu ia. Na'e tukufakaholo mai hono hakeaki'i 'o e lineage 'o e hoko kiai 'a Sisu tangata meia Lute koe Moape. Ko e 'uhi koe mateaki 'a e fefine kene muimui 'o tali kakato 'a Sihova kene hiki moe faliki 'o pikitai kiai.
Ko e folofola ia 'a Sisu Tangata, ko 'ene hoko mai ke kumi e fanga sipi he he fale 'o 'Isileli. 'I he Siu 'o Sisu ki he kau Siu pe. He 'oku 'ikai ko e Siu 'o Sisu na'ane huhu'i 'a mamani. Ko e 'Otua 'o Sisu ('univesaliti huhu'i) ko e 'uhi ke exclusive 'a e 'aonga 'o e feilaulau.
Ko Sisu 'Otua, "Ko 'eku tamai, mo 'eku fa'ee, mo hoku fangatokoua, 'a kinautolu 'oku nau fai ki he finangalo 'o 'eku Tamai. 'E hala nai ka tau apply 'i he fakakaukau, ka loto ma'ulalo ha fefine Tonga kene tali 'a Sisu 'Otua, 'e malava kene hoko ko e fa'ee 'a Sisu, pea ko Sisu ko e Tonga. 'Oku talanoa kiai 'a e Punake, Molitoni, "Ko sisu ko hotau Kainga ofi" (Sisu Tonga). "Ka ai ha'a atu mamahi tala ki ho ta'okete" (Sisu Tonga).......... hunuhunu
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Malo e kei fakalaumalie 'a Sisu Fakataupinati...................hunuhunu
Sam Pakofe
From: Maafu Palu <maafu...@gmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 27 June, 2009 2:33:04 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
sfaupula
From: Lotopoha JeruelSent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:30 AMSubject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
Faifekau 'oku fkfiefia ho'o fktalanoa mai pea 'oku hangee pe ko e lau, 'oku fai e fe'inasi'aki 'o hoko ko hotau fklahi ki he 'Ilo pea fklotolahi ki he tui mei he loto.
Fakafeta'i ki he 'Eiki ko Sisu 'o Nasaleti. 'Osi 'eku tohi, kuo tala mai 'e he 'Eiki ('oku 'ikai ko ha'aku fakakata eni) 'a ho hingoa kia au. Ko ia, kuo fuoloa e ta'efelongoaki, pea fuoloa mo ho'o ta'e'asi ange ki he'etau pakipaki 'i Fofo'anga. 'Oku ou fanongo 'oku ke kei 'i he'etau paki pe ko ena 'ia Lifi, ka kuo talamai 'e Mosimosi kia au 'oku lahi e talafakafonua ai.
Ko e tofi'a nai 'o hai, na'a 'oku ofi atu hoku 'api TUKUHAU kia koe. Ko hoku ki'i tupu'anga, hangee 'oku ta "kaunga'api" ee!.
Kuo te'eki ai te u ma'u e fakamatala 'a Tevita Havea pea te u kumi ki ai. Ka 'oku mahu'inga 'a hono pukepuke 'o e fetaiaki (continuity) 'a e Fuakava Motu'a mo e Fuakava Fo'ou 'ia Sisu. He ko e me'a pe ia 'oku akonaki'aki mai 'e Sisu (Vakai ki he'eku Halakinikini ki he Vete Tohitapu).
'E lelei foki hano FOKOTU'U FKTAHA mai e ongo taukave ki loto ni ketau AKO mei ai, pea 'oku tupulaki foki ai e 'Ilo mo e faofao ai e mahino. Pea kapau 'oku ke LAU ki he FETAIAKI 'a e OT &NT, 'e ma'u 'i ho'o Hala Kinikini, te u feinga ke ma'u mai ha Tohi ai keu lau. Pea KUOU 'ohovale au he PULI 'a e lave ne fai 'e THAVEA mei he loto Tasilisili, he neu fk'amu pe ke ke lvae mai ki ai, koe'uhi he 'OKU OU 'ILO'I 'oku KEHE ho'o vakai 'au mei ai. Pea 'e ALA hoko ho'omo KEHEKEHE ke mau 'INASI AI 'o tokoni ki he'emau ngaue'aki e tohitapu.Ko e SISU (Sione 1:1), ko e TOKOTAHA ia ne 'I MU'A 'ANOA PE, pea na'a ne TOKI HOKOMAI 'o 'AIKAKANO 'o fou he FEFEINE TAAUPO'OU ko Mele, pea 'alo'i ai 'o ui ko SISU (FKMO'UI).Ko e LAVA ko ee 'ENE ngaue (huhu'i 'a mamani), pea ne toe FOKI pe ia ki LANGAI ki he me'a na'e 'ULUAKI 'IAI PE KIMU'A (ko e LAUMALIE na'e 'IKAI hano KAMATA'ANGA pe TUPU'ANGA, ka ko Ia ia 'oku HULU 'ANOA ATU Ia he 'Alifa mo e 'Omeka.Ko e 'efi ko ee 'o e SINO MATELIE 'e 'uhinga ia KUO TAU tui KUO NE 'efi atu hono SIU ki lotolangi. Pea hangee leva eni ia NE hifo mai ke HUHU'I mo 'ave atu 'a e MATELIE ki he PULE'ANGA 'o e LAUMALIE. 'E fihi eni ia fktatau ki he ngaahi akoanki mo e fkhinohino 'a Sisu he ngaahi kosipeli. Kaikehe, faifekau, te u toki hoko atu, kae KOMA atu hee.
'ofa atu mo e lotu
lotopoha.
sfaupula
----- Original Message -----From: Lotopoha JeruelSent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:46 PMSubject: [tasilisili] Re: Sisu fe???
malo ho'o fktalanoa mai sfaupula, pea hange kiate au ko e faifekau 'oku matalanoa. 'Oku lelei ho'o hopohake, ka ko hono maumau he 'oku ke toe repeat mai pe 'e koe ia e me'a ne 'osi lave mai ki ai e faifekau.'oku ou fk'amu ke 'UNU e talanoa kimu'a pea ko e founga ena 'e TAHA neu fokotu'u atu, ke ke fkkaukau ki ai na'a sai ke kamata'i hano langa'i 'o e talanoa he ngaahi tafa'aki Liberal and Conservative pe ko e Biblical and Contextualization ke maau pea ifo e talanoa 'o fklakalaka ke tau fe'inasi'aki ai.ko ia, fefe ke ke pehe atu ki he faifekau ke mo laulau mai ki he me'a ko eni pea mo kolosi hifo mo ia ki he'eta tepile ketau TOE kuki'i ai 'aki hono TU'O LAHI ke feimo PAKU e supo ia:1). Ko Sisu mo e Tohitapu, ko e ONGO ME'A KEHEKEHE 'aupito ia 'e 2. Ko e Tohitapu, ko e ngaahi lea ia 'oku 'a e 'Otua, ka 'OKU 'IKAI TATAU ia mo SISU (written word and WORD of God (Sione 1:1). TALU 'ena KEHEKEHE mei he kamat'anga 'oku kei pehe ai pe.