TUPU'ANGA E KAVA MOE TAUNAFAFAKA'OSI!!!

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Ben Mysterymann

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Jan 10, 2010, 10:15:28 PM1/10/10
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koe fifili pe, pe 'oku 'i ai nai ha felave'i 'oe talanoa ki he ma'u 'anga e kava 'i faa'i mataa.. moe taumafa faka'osi 'a Sisuu mo 'ene kau akoo...??
 
koe fakapotalanoa pe...

hamilto...@paradise.net.nz

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Matamata kuo senituli 'a e feinga 'a e tokolahi ke fakamatala'i 'a e ngaahi me
'a 'oku va va ofi ai 'a e talanoa 'o e Kava 'i Faa'imata mo e Pekia &
Toetu'u 'a Sisu Kalaisi. Ko e ngaahi talanoa eni 'oku ma'u lelei ia 'e Rev
Pita Soni

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Ben Mysterymann

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Jan 13, 2010, 12:46:16 AM1/13/10
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Malo e tokoni mai he tafa'aki ko ia .. ka ke 'omai ange e lau 'a Pita ke tau fanongo ki ai...  pea 'oku malo elau ia 'ae mulii... 'omi mu'a ha'a lau 'a ha tonga..  na'e 'i ai e fefine 'oku faka'osi Kanongata'a .. na'ane 'ai 'ene lau e pepa koe South Pacific theology he ngaahi ta'u kuohili atu pea na'aa ne pe hee ai koe faingata'a'ia 'anga 'oe teolosia he pasifiki koe 'ikai ha kau filosofia... pe  ha "south pacific philosophical  System" koe uesite ia kuo veve, Esia mo middle east, manatu'i koe culture ia!! 'oku fiema'u ha fa'ahingaa filosofia fakatonga he koe handmaid ia 'o ha teolosia fakatonga... ne mafuli ia heni 'o 'uluaki 'asi e teolosia faka-tonga ia hange koe .. "Sisuu koe haua" ka tau manatu'i 'oku te'eki ke systematic e tukunga fakaukau fakaatonga ia... 'o hange koe lau 'a Kanongta'a ke 'i ai ha kau filosofia fakakalisitiane even kapau 'oku nau fakaanga'i e kalisitiane kae koloa ko ha fa'aahinga  tuktunga fakakaukau fakatonga 'oku systematic 'oua  base he taufale fakakavatonga...
 
'Oku lelei ke tau 'eke 'a faa'imata.. pea moe liliu ko ia.. he'e mahino ai e 'ofa "agape" pea 'e mahino ai 'e tau hao mai he ngaahi senituli... na'e 'ikai ha tu'i e haohaoa na'e fai pe honau lelei taha... ka he'ikai ke tau fakalongolongo pe 'o koee ta'e tokoni ki he folau hotau vakaaa.. he vaha faingataa'ani...
 
malo hono hapo mai e pulu ko 'eni...
 
ko fe 'eku leka 'a S. Ta'ai koe 'atunga foki ia 'ene tala kehe ki he faiako tonga  ...  'i manamo'ui he'ikai ke kau ia he talanoa ko 'eni...tuku fakapolalo ta'ai na'a toe 'ai e va'a pulukamu ho 'ate'iva'e... koe fani pe!!!


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Matamata kuo senituli 'a e feinga 'a e tokolahi ke fakamatala'i 'a e ngaahi me
'a 'oku va va ofi ai 'a e talanoa 'o e Kava 'i Faa'imata mo e Pekia &
Toetu'u 'a Sisu Kalaisi. Ko e ngaahi talanoa eni 'oku ma'u lelei ia 'e Rev
Pita Soni

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hausia

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Quoting Ben Mysterymann <tonga...@yahoo.com>:

> koe fifili pe, pe 'oku 'i ai nai ha felave'i 'oe talanoa ki he ma'u
> 'anga e kava 'i faa'i mataa.. moe taumafa faka'osi 'a Sisuu mo 'ene kau
> akoo...??
>
> koe fakapotalanoa pe...
>
>


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Daphne Taukolonga

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Jan 24, 2010, 9:48:17 PM1/24/10
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Koe haa 'a e 'uhinga 'oku fiema'u (need) ai ke hanga 'eha fa'ahinga philophy 'oku fenaapasi moe culture 'a Tonga  'o handmaid 'a e theology 'Sisu koe Haua' 'o hange ko ho'o fakamatala ko 'ena?  what or how philosophy can be connected?
 
daphne


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Malo e tokoni mai he tafa'aki ko ia .. ka ke 'omai ange e lau 'a Pita ke tau fanongo ki ai...  pea 'oku malo elau ia 'ae mulii... 'omi mu'a ha'a lau 'a ha tonga..  na'e 'i ai e fefine 'oku faka'osi Kanongata'a .. na'ane 'ai 'ene lau e pepa koe South Pacific theology he ngaahi ta'u kuohili atu pea na'aa ne pe hee ai koe faingata'a'ia 'anga 'oe teolosia he pasifiki koe 'ikai ha kau filosofia... pe  ha "south pacific philosophical  System" koe uesite ia kuo veve, Esia mo middle east, manatu'i koe culture ia!! 'oku fiema'u ha fa'ahingaa filosofia fakatonga he koe handmaid ia 'o ha teolosia fakatonga... ne mafuli ia heni 'o 'uluaki 'asi e teolosia faka-tonga ia hange koe .. "Sisuu koe haua" ka tau manatu'i 'oku te'eki ke systematic e tukunga fakaukau fakaatonga ia... 'o hange koe lau 'a Kanongta'a ke 'i ai ha kau filosofia fakakalisitiane even kapau 'oku nau fakaanga'i e kalisitiane kae koloa ko ha fa'aahinga  tuktunga fakakaukau fakatonga 'oku systematic 'oua  base he taufale fakakavatonga...
 
'Oku lelei ke tau 'eke 'a faa'imata.. pea moe liliu ko ia.. he'e mahino ai e 'ofa "agape" pea 'e mahino ai 'e tau hao mai he ngaahi senituli... na'e 'ikai ha tu'i e haohaoa na'e fai pe honau lelei taha... ka he'ikai ke tau fakalongolongo pe 'o koee ta'e tokoni ki he folau hotau vakaaa.. he vaha faingataa'ani...
 
malo hono hapo mai e pulu ko 'eni...
 


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Ben Mysterymann

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Jan 25, 2010, 12:56:44 AM1/25/10
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 'oku totonu ke palanisi 'ae faiva 'uhinga moe ngaahi revelation fakalaumalie.. ke hanga 'ehe filosofia( faiva 'uhinga) 'o pukepuke e ngaahi fakaukau fakateolosia mei ha'ane hanga 'o create ha fa'ahinga extreme tene hanga 'o fakaehaua 'ae totonu moe ngeia 'oe tangata... pea ke fai pehe pe moe teolosia ki he faiva 'uhinga ke keep e palanisi ko 'eni.  Koe ki'i fakataa faingofua taha 'oe maumau ko 'eni koe taulahi hono 'uluaki moe ua 'a mamani...  koe aka na'ane fafanga e ngaahi events ne lead ki he kamata'anga 'oe tau koe "Philosophy"
ikai toe lava 'ehe teolosia ia ke fai 'ene ngaue he ne lomekina 'ehe ngaahi filosofia kehekehe 'ia 'ae 'atamai 'oe kakai pea iku 'o nau li'aki ai 'ae 'otua pe to'o e 'otua mei he equation 'oe mo'ui 'ae tangata kae reason 'ata'ataa pe...  'ai koe ongo tau ko 'eni koe tumutumu ia 'oe me'a koe good thinking... Ne tohi ai 'e Descartes 'ene tohi 'iloa ko ia koe "God is Dead"  pea koe'uhinga 'ene mate ko hono tamate'i 'ehe kakai 'o 'iulope.. ( hono to'o ia kae fetongi 'aki e filosofia...)
 
Koe fakataataa 'eku ki'i post 'oku pehe ni : Koe concept koee koe" nofo 'a kainga" koe fo'i filosofia faka-tonga ia 'oku totonu ke develop ke fakasisitemika (systematic) ke ne hanga 'o pailate'i 'ae ngaahi fakakaukau faka teolosia fakatonga.  He koe nofo 'a kainga ia 'oku ne hanga keep ngaahi relationships he anga e nofo famili moe kainga fakatonga ke ma'uma'u luta... 
 
koe lahi ange koe hono faka'uhinga 'oe kupu'i lea - tatau pe mei angle fakasosiale, fakasaikolosia, langauge, hisitolia, 'ekonomika, tafa'aki fakalaumalie..  moe hafua e ngaahi fifili 'ae kau faiva faka'uhinga  koe malie ange ia 'ae 'uhinga 'oe concept ko 'eni... pea taimi koe 'oku 'omi ai ha teolosia 'aha Tonga 'i Tonga 'oku hoko e ngaahi fifili ko 'eni koe ngaahi makatuliki 'e lava ai e tokotaha teolosia 'o fakava'e 'aki 'ene understand 'ae va 'oe 'otua moe tanagata he tukunga nofo fakafonua pe 'a Tonga...  
koe taha pe ia e ki'i fakataataa ki he'eku ki'i  fakapotalanoa mo ho'o fehu'i..
 
Stefano
--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Daphne Taukolonga <sioelina...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Daphne Taukolonga

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--- On Mon, 25/1/10, Ben Mysterymann <tonga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
 'oku totonu ke palanisi 'ae faiva 'uhinga moe ngaahi revelation fakalaumalie.. ke hanga 'ehe filosofia( faiva 'uhinga) 'o pukepuke e ngaahi fakaukau fakateolosia mei ha'ane hanga 'o create ha fa'ahinga extreme tene hanga 'o fakaehaua 'ae totonu moe ngeia 'oe tangata... pea ke fai pehe pe moe teolosia ki he faiva 'uhinga ke keep e palanisi ko 'eni.  Koe ki'i fakataa faingofua taha 'oe maumau ko 'eni koe taulahi hono 'uluaki moe ua 'a mamani...  koe aka na'ane fafanga e ngaahi events ne lead ki he kamata'anga 'oe tau koe "Philosophy" ikai toe lava 'ehe teolosia ia ke fai 'ene ngaue he ne lomekina 'ehe ngaahi filosofia kehekehe 'ia 'ae 'atamai 'oe kakai pea iku 'o nau li'aki ai 'ae 'otua pe to'o e 'otua mei he equation 'oe mo'ui 'ae tangata kae reason 'ata'ataa pe...  'ai koe ongo tau ko 'eni koe tumutumu ia 'oe me'a koe good thinking... Ne tohi ai 'e Descartes 'ene tohi 'iloa ko ia koe "God is Dead"  pea koe'uhinga 'ene mate ko hono tamate'i 'ehe kakai 'o 'iulope.. ( hono to'o ia kae fetongi 'aki e filosofia...)
 
Koe fakataataa 'eku ki'i post 'oku pehe ni : Koe concept koee koe" nofo 'a kainga" koe fo'i filosofia faka-tonga ia 'oku totonu ke develop ke fakasisitemika (systematic) ke ne hanga 'o pailate'i 'ae ngaahi fakakaukau faka teolosia fakatonga.  He koe nofo 'a kainga ia 'oku ne hanga keep ngaahi relationships he anga e nofo famili moe kainga fakatonga ke ma'uma'u luta... 
 
koe lahi ange koe hono faka'uhinga 'oe kupu'i lea - tatau pe mei angle fakasosiale, fakasaikolosia, langauge, hisitolia, 'ekonomika, tafa'aki fakalaumalie..  moe hafua e ngaahi fifili 'ae kau faiva faka'uhinga  koe malie ange ia 'ae 'uhinga 'oe concept ko 'eni... pea taimi koe 'oku 'omi ai ha teolosia 'aha Tonga 'i Tonga 'oku hoko e ngaahi fifili ko 'eni koe ngaahi makatuliki 'e lava ai e tokotaha teolosia 'o fakava'e 'aki 'ene understand 'ae va 'oe 'otua moe tanagata he tukunga nofo fakafonua pe 'a Tonga...  
koe taha pe ia e ki'i fakataataa ki he'eku ki'i  fakapotalanoa mo ho'o fehu'i..
 
Stefano

On Sun, 1/24/10, Daphne Taukolonga <sioelina...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Misiteli
 
Koe haa 'a e 'uhinga 'oku fiema'u (need) ai ke hanga 'eha fa'ahinga philophy 'oku fenaapasi moe culture 'a Tonga  'o handmaid 'a e theology 'Sisu koe Haua' 'o hange ko ho'o fakamatala ko 'ena?  what or how philosophy can be connected?
 
daphne


--- On Wed, 13/1/10, Ben Mysterymann <tonga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Malo e tokoni mai he tafa'aki ko ia .. ka ke 'omai ange e lau 'a Pita ke tau fanongo ki ai...  pea 'oku malo elau ia 'ae mulii... 'omi mu'a ha'a lau 'a ha tonga..  na'e 'i ai e fefine 'oku faka'osi Kanongata'a .. na'ane 'ai 'ene lau e pepa koe South Pacific theology he ngaahi ta'u kuohili atu pea na'aa ne pe hee ai koe faingata'a'ia 'anga 'oe teolosia he pasifiki koe 'ikai ha kau filosofia... pe  ha "south pacific philosophical  System" koe uesite ia kuo veve, Esia mo middle east, manatu'i koe culture ia!! 'oku fiema'u ha fa'ahingaa filosofia fakatonga he koe handmaid ia 'o ha teolosia fakatonga... ne mafuli ia heni 'o 'uluaki 'asi e teolosia faka-tonga ia hange koe .. "Sisuu koe haua" ka tau manatu'i 'oku te'eki ke systematic e tukunga fakaukau fakaatonga ia... 'o hange koe lau 'a Kanongta'a ke 'i ai ha kau filosofia fakakalisitiane even kapau 'oku nau fakaanga'i e kalisitiane kae koloa ko ha fa'aahinga  tuktunga fakakaukau fakatonga 'oku systematic 'oua  base he taufale fakakavatonga...
 
'Oku lelei ke tau 'eke 'a faa'imata.. pea moe liliu ko ia.. he'e mahino ai e 'ofa "agape" pea 'e mahino ai 'e tau hao mai he ngaahi senituli... na'e 'ikai ha tu'i e haohaoa na'e fai pe honau lelei taha... ka he'ikai ke tau fakalongolongo pe 'o koee ta'e tokoni ki he folau hotau vakaaa.. he vaha faingataa'ani...
 
malo hono hapo mai e pulu ko 'eni...
 
Stefano
 
 
 
Misiteli, 'aia ko hono fakahoko 'a e fokotu'u 'oku ke 'omai ko 'ena 'i 'olunga 'aupito 'oku totonu ke tui ki ai 'a e kau fa'u curriculum 'o e ako 'i Tonga, pea ke nau fakakau kihe curriculum, 'o tatau pe ha fa'ahinga ako 'anga including Si'atoutai?  mo fakakau 'ihe taimi 'oku ako'i ai 'a e 'culture' 'a Tonga 'ihe formal education?
 
daphne


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Daphne Taukolonga

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Misiteli,  
 
'Oku mahino mai leva mei ho'o fokotu'u ta koe 'aka holo 'o e teolosia 'Sisu koe Haua', moe 'Sisu Tonga' 'oku 'ikai totonu ke fai ha ofo ai he 'oku fiema'u ke 'uluaki ako'i 'a e filosofia?  He koe haa koaa 'a e kaveinga moe taumu'a 'a e filosofia? pea koe haa hono 'aonga kihe saienisi moe ngaahi mala'e ko ia?
 
daphne

--- On Mon, 25/1/10, Ben Mysterymann <tonga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
 'oku totonu ke palanisi 'ae faiva 'uhinga moe ngaahi revelation fakalaumalie.. ke hanga 'ehe filosofia( faiva 'uhinga) 'o pukepuke e ngaahi fakaukau fakateolosia mei ha'ane hanga 'o create ha fa'ahinga extreme tene hanga 'o fakaehaua 'ae totonu moe ngeia 'oe tangata... pea ke fai pehe pe moe teolosia ki he faiva 'uhinga ke keep e palanisi ko 'eni.  Koe ki'i fakataa faingofua taha 'oe maumau ko 'eni koe taulahi hono 'uluaki moe ua 'a mamani...  koe aka na'ane fafanga e ngaahi events ne lead ki he kamata'anga 'oe tau koe "Philosophy" ikai toe lava 'ehe teolosia ia ke fai 'ene ngaue he ne lomekina 'ehe ngaahi filosofia kehekehe 'ia 'ae 'atamai 'oe kakai pea iku 'o nau li'aki ai 'ae 'otua pe to'o e 'otua mei he equation 'oe mo'ui 'ae tangata kae reason 'ata'ataa pe...  'ai koe ongo tau ko 'eni koe tumutumu ia 'oe me'a koe good thinking... Ne tohi ai 'e Descartes 'ene tohi 'iloa ko ia koe "God is Dead"  pea koe'uhinga 'ene mate ko hono tamate'i 'ehe kakai 'o 'iulope.. ( hono to'o ia kae fetongi 'aki e filosofia...)
 
Koe fakataataa 'eku ki'i post 'oku pehe ni : Koe concept koee koe" nofo 'a kainga" koe fo'i filosofia faka-tonga ia 'oku totonu ke develop ke fakasisitemika (systematic) ke ne hanga 'o pailate'i 'ae ngaahi fakakaukau faka teolosia fakatonga.  He koe nofo 'a kainga ia 'oku ne hanga keep ngaahi relationships he anga e nofo famili moe kainga fakatonga ke ma'uma'u luta... 
 
koe lahi ange koe hono faka'uhinga 'oe kupu'i lea - tatau pe mei angle fakasosiale, fakasaikolosia, langauge, hisitolia, 'ekonomika, tafa'aki fakalaumalie..  moe hafua e ngaahi fifili 'ae kau faiva faka'uhinga  koe malie ange ia 'ae 'uhinga 'oe concept ko 'eni... pea taimi koe 'oku 'omi ai ha teolosia 'aha Tonga 'i Tonga 'oku hoko e ngaahi fifili ko 'eni koe ngaahi makatuliki 'e lava ai e tokotaha teolosia 'o fakava'e 'aki 'ene understand 'ae va 'oe 'otua moe tanagata he tukunga nofo fakafonua pe 'a Tonga...  
koe taha pe ia e ki'i fakataataa ki he'eku ki'i  fakapotalanoa mo ho'o fehu'i..
 
Stefano

On Sun, 1/24/10, Daphne Taukolonga <sioelina...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Misiteli
 
Koe haa 'a e 'uhinga 'oku fiema'u (need) ai ke hanga 'eha fa'ahinga philophy 'oku fenaapasi moe culture 'a Tonga  'o handmaid 'a e theology 'Sisu koe Haua' 'o hange ko ho'o fakamatala ko 'ena?  what or how philosophy can be connected?
 
daphne


--- On Wed, 13/1/10, Ben Mysterymann <tonga...@yahoo.com> wrote:
na'e 'i ai e fefine 'oku faka'osi Kanongata'a .. na'ane 'ai 'ene lau e pepa koe South Pacific theology he ngaahi ta'u kuohili atu pea na'aa ne pe hee ai koe faingata'a'ia 'anga 'oe teolosia he pasifiki koe 'ikai ha kau filosofia... pe  ha "south pacific philosophical  System"! 'oku fiema'u ha fa'ahingaa filosofia fakatonga he koe handmaid ia 'o ha teolosia fakatonga... ne mafuli ia heni 'o 'uluaki 'asi e teolosia faka-tonga ia hange koe .. "Sisuu koe haua" ka tau manatu'i 'oku te'eki ke systematic e tukunga fakaukau fakaatonga ia... 'o hange koe lau 'a Kanongta'a ke 'i ai ha kau filosofia fakakalisitiane even kapau 'oku nau fakaanga'i e kalisitiane kae koloa ko ha fa'aahinga  tuktunga fakakaukau fakatonga 'oku systematic 'oua  base he taufale fakakavatonga...
 
'Oku lelei ke tau 'eke 'a faa'imata.. pea moe liliu ko ia.. he'e mahino ai e 'ofa "agape" pea 'e mahino ai 'e tau hao mai he ngaahi senituli... na'e 'ikai ha tu'i e haohaoa na'e fai pe honau lelei taha... ka he'ikai ke tau fakalongolongo pe 'o koee ta'e tokoni ki he folau hotau vakaaa.. he vaha faingataa'ani...
 
malo hono hapo mai e pulu ko 'eni...
 
Stefano
 
 
 
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