Koeha 'etau lau ki he gays & lesbians?

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jione havea

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Jul 25, 2010, 6:47:35 PM7/25/10
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Kau Tasilisili, ‘ikai te u ‘ilo pe ‘e ‘aonga pe ‘ikai, ka ko e vakai noa atu pe he tu’unga e ngaahi Tasilisili kuo fai mai:

 

1.       ‘Oku ai e tokanga ki he lau ‘a e Tohitapu

2.       Pea a’u eni ki he’etau ala ki he “finangalo ‘o e ‘Otua” (What did God think ...)

 

Ka ‘oku ‘aakitu’a mai he talanoa ‘a ‘etau lau ... ‘e ‘ikai lava ke hamusi mai ‘etau lau mei he mahino kiate kitautolu e Tohitapu mo e Finangalo e ‘Otua, ko e mo’oni ia, ka ‘oku ou fifili pe ko ‘afee te tau loto lahi ai ke “fai ‘etau lau”

 

Mahino ‘oku tau kehekehe, pea te tau kehekehe, ka ‘oku toi mai mo e fehu’i, pe ‘e fiema’u ke ai ha “lau aofangatuku” ma’a kitautolu pe ko ‘etau lele ai pe he’etau kehekehe?

 

Ko e kauitalanoa atu pe, jh

 

 

 

>>==<<Talanoa >>==<<

 

We are addicted to stories (Wiesel)

    We need talanoa (story, telling, conversation) in order to remember,

        We remember in order to live

We are what we remember (Wendt)

 

www.TalanoaOceania.net

 

sfaupula

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malo j pea ko e fifili malie ia. 'e fefe j e lau koeni 'i tonga, he ko e lau pe foki 'a e kau faifekau mo e matu'a 'e tu'u? 'e kehe ia mei muli ni, he 'oku fkfafala 'ete kau 'a kita he lau 'o kapau 'oku te lipa'anga lahi he misinale e! hehehe!
 
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jione havea

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Jul 25, 2010, 7:29:53 PM7/25/10
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Ha! Ha!

 

 ‘oku ou tokanga atu Sitiveni & Kau Tasilisili, ki he kau tasilisili ‘oku taukave hange kuo nau mea’i e fakaikiiki e finangalo e ‘Otua, kae ‘osi ko ia, ko ‘enau lau pe ia ‘a kinautolu ... mou lea mai homou loto, kae tuku hono fakamalohi’i e ‘Otua mo e Tohitapu ke na hange ha’amou matapule ‘oku fakahoko mai homou finangalo!

 

Ko e tapilipili atu pe,  mo holoholomui hake ki he laine e kau fanongo!

Semisi Kava

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Jul 25, 2010, 8:51:00 PM7/25/10
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Jione malo e 'etau toe ma'u 'ae uike fo'ou ni. Fakamalo atu he tokoni moe fakamaama lahi 'oku ke fokotu'u mai pea 'oku ou tui koe uho ia 'oe me'a na'a ku feinga atu ki ai mo Fakapulia ke nau tomu'a fakalele’i ‘ae fa’unga ‘oe tefito’i fehu’i (What did God think when created gays and lesbian?) pea ke mau toki fakaofiofi ki he fakakaukau 'oe Objectivity pea mo 'ene Subjectivity ki he'ene fakatupu. Kiate au koe palopalemaa he 'oku nau ‘osi fokotu’u atu ‘e nautolu na’e ‘osi ‘i ai ‘ae intention ia ‘ae Creator hangee ko hono fakalea he tefito’i fehu’i ke ne “Fakatupu ‘ae Gay moe Lesbian” ‘o fakatatau ki he ngaahi fakatotolo. HOW????? DO YOU KNOW MY DEAR??? Hoooiii!!!! Hangee koe lea ‘ae hiva “Na’e fakakuu pea ‘ane fee?? Koe tangata pe ‘e taha tukukehe ‘a Sisuu ne hangee ne tatau hono finangalo moe ‘Otua ko e masi’I pe ko Ti “Tevita” he Tohitapu.

 

‘Oku tau fetakai he fakamahamahalo ki he intention 'oe (Prime Mover") (Creator/ 'Otua) he koe tokotaha ia (Being) pea ko hono iku'anga ko hano natu'aki e assumption pea kofukofu'aki 'ae ngaahi fakamatala fakatotolo fakasaienisi 'o toki based mei ai 'etau inductive ki he Tohitapu. Kataki fakamolemole ‘o “Tomu’a lau ‘etau Tohitapu kimu’a ia pea tau toki ngaue’aki ha ngaahi tohi tokoni mo tataki” he kapau te tau tomu’a lau ‘etau text book mo ‘etau ngaahi fu’u commentary pea tene pule’i leva ‘e ia ‘ae me’a ke ‘uhinga ki ia ‘ae Tohitapu.” 'Oku fa'a 'iloa leva 'ae me'a koe "mimio" moe fo'i lea koe "matamata" he talanga’i ‘o ha fa'ahinga issue motu'a ni he fa’ahinga founga lau tohitapu ko ia. Kuo fuloa kaliu foki hono fai e ngaahi fakatotolo pea moe ngaahi talanga he issue ni pea koe me'a pe 'oku kei fai ni ko hono toutou mo liliu pe me'a tatau mo hono toe sisina ai pe Tohitapu ke a’u ki he takataka’ulii pea kene si'i faite atu 'o fakaongo atu pe koe fe ha potu la'aa moe lau 'a hai fua 'e si'i lele ki ai 'o matapule atu ai. Kiate au 'oku 'ataa pe foki 'ae kaveinga ni ia ke hoko atu 'ae tau'aki sisina tohitapu ka 'oku ou kole atu ke tukuange aa mu'a si'a taimi ‘oe Hipi, Kava mo Senitolo pea toe no’o lanu puluu kene si'i manava mo'oni mai’aki ‘ene Tohitapu ‘ae tohi ‘oku talanoa ki Ai moe fakamo’ui ki mamaniii 'o 'ikai ko ha'o fakamalohi'i mo fakanafala'i koe’uhii ko ha tau’aki tangata pe kohai ‘oku ‘ilo lahiange pe tonu pe hala, malohi pe vaivai, ‘ulutea pe vali’ulu, talausese mutu pe loloa moe ha fua. Koe ‘eta nonga koee ‘oku ke kumi ki ai mei hano talanga’i mo fakatotolo he issue ni ‘e toki kakato pe ia mo ma’u totonu hono ‘uhingaa he ‘aho fakamaau ‘ae ‘Otua. Fefe kapau te tau ki’i femo’uekina he Lau ‘oe ‘Ipiseli ‘oe Uike ni “Kolose 3:1-11” na’a ala tokoni atu.

 

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sfaupula

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malo mu'a ongo tama pea ko e mo'oni. ka 'i he taimi tatau pe 'oku taau pe foki ke poupoua e ngaahi felafoaki 'oku fai pea tukuange pe ke lea mai e kakai 'aki 'enau ngaahi fkkaukau mo 'enau ngaahi fktonulea he 'oku lava pe ke sivisivi'i. malo
 
 
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Maile Molitika

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Jul 25, 2010, 9:46:51 PM7/25/10
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Ko 'eku lau 'a'aku Jione, Why don't we give the opportunity to the Gay & Lespian to proclaim the gospel like any other people on earth...... 'Oku tupunga pe 'eku mafana 'aku he ki'i him ko eni..
 
                                              Come as you are: that's how I want you.
                                              Come as you are; feel quite at home,
                                              close to my heart, loved and forgiven.
                                              Come as you are: why stand alone?
 
                                              No need to fear, love sets no limits;
                                              no need to fear, love never ends
                                              don't run away shamed and disheartened,
                                              rest in my love, trust me again.
 
                                              I came to call sinners, not just the righteous;
                                              I came to bring peace, not to condemn.
                                              Each time you fail to live by my promise,
                                              why do you think I'd love you the less?
 
                                              Come as you are; that's how I love you;
                                              come as you are, trust me again.
                                              Nothing can change the love that I bear you;
                                              all will be well, just come as you are.
 
                                             moe halotulotu atu pe he lave mai 'a e ki'i himi.... 'ofa atu
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Sione M. Veituna

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Jul 26, 2010, 12:13:50 AM7/26/10
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kau tama

'ai na'a mo'oni e lea a e faiaiko fuoloa 'i Sia'atoutai he fitungofulu ki he'ene kau ako he vete tohittapu......talange he faiako........kauako, ka ke ka fehu'i ha fehu'i hala  ... te ke ma'u ai pe 'a e tali 'oku hala.....if you asked a stupid question, you will get a stupid answer. ka ke fehu'i ha fehu'i ta'e'uhinga 'e ma'u ai pe tali ta'e'uhinga, pea ka ke fehu'i ha fehu'i maumau taimi 'e ma'u ai pe tali maumau taimi

mahalo oku tonu ke ai 'e lau e tangata'eiki e taha he faikava..tomu'a 'ai e fehu'i ke hanga mai kae lava hano fakama'opo'opo, ho ho ho ho ho

moe ofa atu ki he fepalekina oku fai

Ma'ananga

david niu

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Jul 26, 2010, 12:29:02 AM7/26/10
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Jione, malo mu'a e faka'ataa mai e fanga ke fai ai tukutuku (he 'oku loloto foki) ka mahalo na'a kuo mo'oni ho'o lau ke fai ai leva ha lau aofangatuku, aofangatuku kehekehe pe. Pea ko e ha pe ha'amou lau aofangatuku, fakakau atu pe mu'a 'a Matiu 13:24-30 na'a lava pe ha pikipiki hama atu ai. Pea ka toki tafia pe, ne 'osi fai pe e tapate.
 
'Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu.   

Sam Pakofe

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'ouaaaaaaaa, 'oua toe pukepuke ......


From: jione havea <jha...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, 26 July, 2010 9:29:53 AM
Subject: RE: [tasilisili] Koeha 'etau lau ki he gays & lesbians?

Ha! Ha!

 

 ‘oku ou tokanga atu Sitiveni & Kau Tasilisili, ki he kau tasilisili ‘oku taukave hange kuo nau mea’i e fakaikiiki e finangalo e ‘Otua, kae ‘osi ko ia, ko ‘enau lau pe ia ‘a kinautolu ... mou lea mai homou loto, kae tuku hono fakamalohi’i e ‘Otua mo e Tohitapu ke na hange ha’amou matapule ‘oku fakahoko mai homou finangalo!

 

Ko e tapilipili atu pe,  mo holoholomui hake ki he laine e kau fanongo!

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Jul 26, 2010, 5:31:50 AM7/26/10
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Semisi Kava:
 
> Kataki fakamolemole ‘o “Tomu’a lau ‘etau Tohitapu kimu’a ia pea tau toki
> ngaue’aki ha ngaahi tohi tokoni mo tataki” he kapau te tau tomu’a lau ‘etau
> text book mo ‘etau ngaahi fu’u commentary pea tene pule’i leva ‘e ia ‘ae me’a ke
> ‘uhinga ki ia ‘ae Tohitapu.” 'Oku fa'a 'iloa leva 'ae me'a koe "mimio" moe fo'i lea
> koe "matamata" he talanga’i ‘o ha fa'ahinga issue motu'a ni he fa’ahinga founga
> lau tohitapu ko ia.
 
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kataki kae fai atu pe 'e kimoutolu 'a e velo kae 'omi ha faingamalie mo'o kimautolu velohi.'
 
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"Be faithful in small things because it is in them that our strength lies." --Mother Teresa 

 

stan palu

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Jul 26, 2010, 12:13:56 PM7/26/10
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Tokanga pe na'a kamata ha kau fanofano ia mei he kaveinga ni..'ikai ha toe kau mai...hahaha... malo e fakalanga fifili
 

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Subject: RE: [tasilisili] Koeha 'etau lau ki he gays & lesbians?
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:29:53 +1000


Ha! Ha!

 

 ‘oku ou tokanga atu Sitiveni & Kau Tasilisili, ki he kau tasilisili ‘oku taukave hange kuo nau mea’i e fakaikiiki e finangalo e ‘Otua, kae ‘osi ko ia, ko ‘enau lau pe ia ‘a kinautolu ... mou lea mai homou loto, kae tuku hono fakamalohi’i e ‘Otua mo e Tohitapu ke na hange ha’amou matapule ‘oku fakahoko mai homou finangalo!

 

Ko e tapilipili atu pe,  mo holoholomui hake ki he laine e kau fanongo!


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david niu

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Stan, mahalo na'a sai pe e kau fanofano te nau lava pe 'o ki'i puhipuhi manava tapa'ilaine pea toki hu mai. Koe kau delete he'ikai pe toe lava....hahaha
 
2010/7/26 stan palu <paeai...@hotmail.com>

david niu

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Pakofe, tuku e to'onga faka-little bay. 'Oku talamai 'e he folofola, 'oku monu'ia 'akinautolu 'oku fakatupu melino, te nau a'usia 'a e fonua.' Ko e me'a ena ne faingataa'ia ai ho'omou faifekau he pukepuke fuhu, pukepuke pe mo siokehe, ko e 'ikai ke to ki lalo pea fiemalie aaa, kae to ki lalo pea toe kalate eeee. little bay ia eee 

2010/7/26 Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>

tfinau

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On Jul 26, 11:29 am, "jione havea" <jha...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  'oku ou tokanga atu Sitiveni & Kau Tasilisili, ki he kau tasilisili 'oku
> taukave hange kuo nau mea'i e fakaikiiki e finangalo e 'Otua, kae 'osi ko
> ia, ko 'enau lau pe ia 'a kinautolu ... mou lea mai homou loto, kae tuku
> hono fakamalohi'i e 'Otua mo e Tohitapu ke na hange ha'amou matapule 'oku
> fakahoko mai homou finangalo!
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Hange kiate au ko e me'a pe ia na'e fai 'ehe kau hikitohi 'e ni'ihi,
neongo na'e 'ikai te nau 'ilo 'e fakakau 'enau usuusuu 'i ha tohi 'o
ui ia ko e Tohitapu. Ko e 'ai pe 'e nautolu 'enau lau 'o lau tokua ko
e finangalo ia 'o e 'Otua. Pea 'i he'ene peheee pea ko e fononga
looloa ia mo e fanongo talanoa paapaahia mo'oni 'a tautolu he tslsl
'etau kau Laapaii, pea 'oku faka'aa'aa ia kia mautolu kau lekileki.
Koia ai ko e mataafanga 'o e "aofangatukuu" matamata 'oku taumama'o ia
ki he tokolahi.

Na'e 'iai koaa ha lau pe fale'i 'a Sione Uesile na'e hangee 'oku oku
ongo pe 'uhinga pehee ni "felotoi lelei pe ke takitaha piki ki he'enau
tui"? Na ko ha "aofangatuku" nai ia 'e ala malava kae hu mai 'a
"fe'ofa'aki" ke ne kei pukepuke pe kitautolu mo fai ai hotau
fakatautehina'i pe fakatamaohi.

Kae hoko atu mu'a ho'omou taalangaa tniu, takamuli, feki, skf, semisi,
maama, stan etc he 'oku maalie lahi, he 'oku mou 'ilo ko e 'aa hake pe
'a Sami 'o lea mai fakataha mo e ta 'a e ongo faifekau fie vauvau mei
Christchurch pea ko e 'ikai ia toe lava ha'atau talanoa.

Ko e tapili atu pe mo e kauitalanoa meihe tu'a 'o e tou'a.
tfinau .

david niu

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Tevita, ko e tu'o tolu'aki eni hono hiki holo e ki'i faikava ni. Ne fu'u tokolahi pea hiki ia 'e Takamuli. Toe fu'u tokolahi mo ia, pea toe hiki, 'a ia ko hono tolu'aki eni. 'A ia ka 'i ai ha aofangatuku ko e aofangatuku kehekehe ia 'e tolu, pea mahalo pe kuo taimi e aofangatuku, pea ke tau aofangatuku kehekehe ai pe, ka tau matuku he 'oku hange 'oku vave mai e hu'a 'a e tahi.
 
Ofa moe hufia,
 
TNiu
 
2010/7/26 tfinau <tfi...@gmail.com>

Maafu Palu

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Jul 26, 2010, 4:06:41 PM7/26/10
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Sai ka kuo vave e hu'a mai 'a e tahi pea mou kaukautahi ai leva...kae
hifo atu e kau fangota 'o feinga'i mai ha'atau kiki....hihihihi.


david niu wrote:
> Tevita, ko e tu'o tolu'aki eni hono hiki holo e ki'i faikava ni. Ne
> fu'u tokolahi pea hiki ia 'e Takamuli. Toe fu'u tokolahi mo ia, pea
> toe hiki, 'a ia ko hono tolu'aki eni. 'A ia ka 'i ai ha aofangatuku ko
> e aofangatuku kehekehe ia 'e tolu, pea mahalo pe kuo taimi e
> aofangatuku, pea ke tau aofangatuku kehekehe ai pe, ka tau matuku he
> 'oku hange 'oku vave mai e hu'a 'a e tahi.
>
> Ofa moe hufia,
>
> TNiu
>

> 2010/7/26 tfinau <tfi...@gmail.com <mailto:tfi...@gmail.com>>


>
>
> Na'e 'iai koaa ha lau pe fale'i 'a Sione Uesile na'e hangee 'oku oku
> ongo pe 'uhinga pehee ni "felotoi lelei pe ke takitaha piki ki he'enau
> tui"? Na ko ha "aofangatuku" nai ia 'e ala malava kae hu mai 'a
> "fe'ofa'aki" ke ne kei pukepuke pe kitautolu mo fai ai hotau
> fakatautehina'i pe fakatamaohi.
>

Tevita Finau

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2010/7/27 Maafu Palu wrote:

Sai ka kuo vave e hu'a mai 'a e tahi pea mou kaukautahi ai leva...kae hifo atu e kau fangota 'o feinga'i mai ha'atau kiki....hihihihi.
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Ke tau kaukautahi 'oku tau 'i loto falelotuu!!!! Ko e ha 'a e hu'a kae toe hifo 'o fangota. 'Oku toe fu'u fakapoto ange 'a e tolo ia koia. Puke mai e valingii ki heni. 'Ofa atu, tfinau

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Malo J e langa mai ha mamakava 'a e kau pastrol ke 'ataa mai mei he kau teolosiaa ke te toki lele holo aipe he ongo vaha'a faikava ni mo 'ete tangai kuavaa 'o tufitufi ai. Fa'a lahi 'eku konifusii 'i he'enau hiva fakatahataha 'i ha faikava pe 'e taha, he 'oku nau hiva maalie kotoa kae kehekehe pe 'enau takitaha taimi, pea 'ikai keu 'ilo'i pe teu hiva ki he hiva fee. Mo'oni 'a e kaveinga kuo fokotu'u he paenga ni - Kapau leva ko e gayty/lesbianity is a reality in everyday life, Ko e haa leva 'etau lau ki aii? Mahalo ko e pola totonu eni kia Stan, Sisilia, tfinau, mo kinautolu 'oku nofo mo 'etau fanau ko enii ke nau fai mai hatau fakakoloa. Ku ou lau e himi 'a Mailee, 'aaa! seuke! maalie! pea ko e fakalotolahi ia ki he tufikuava ko au....'alu atu aipe mo 'eku tangaii ee! Ka neu 'osi koloa'ia 'i he lave 'a Stan mo Sisilia kimu'a, ka 'i he faiva kehe ia. 'Oku tau takitaha nofo pe mo 'etau kau fakaleitii/fakatangata (hhf) 'i hotau ngaahi loto falee, pea ko e ngaahi 'ofa'anga he ko e faanau, ka ko e haa ha'atau lau, pe lau ki ai 'a e Siasii ki ai...'e haa...'ofeina, 'itangi'i, fakafaikehekehe'i, pe fehi'anekina'i...? kapau te nau fie faifekau ha 'aho, 'e haa...?  'aaaa, mou lavelave mai mu'a...kau toki lele ki he faikava 'a e kau tama ko ee..
 
Manatu'i J mo Veni e haka 'a Fatai ke 'ai he 'oku mama'o 'a tfinau e!!

2010/7/25 jione havea <jha...@gmail.com>

Ha! Ha!

 

 ‘oku ou tokanga atu Sitiveni & Kau Tasilisili, ki he kau tasilisili ‘oku taukave hange kuo nau mea’i e fakaikiiki e finangalo e ‘Otua, kae ‘osi ko ia, ko ‘enau lau pe ia ‘a kinautolu ... mou lea mai homou loto, kae tuku hono fakamalohi’i e ‘Otua mo e Tohitapu ke na hange ha’amou matapule ‘oku fakahoko mai homou finangalo!

 

Ko e tapilipili atu pe,  mo holoholomui hake ki he laine e kau fanongo!

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Sisitoutai Taufa

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penisimani mone wrote:
> Malo J e langa mai ha mamakava 'a e kau pastrol ke 'ataa mai mei he
> kau teolosiaa ke te toki lele holo aipe he ongo vaha'a faikava ni
> mo 'ete tangai kuavaa 'o tufitufi ai. Fa'a lahi 'eku konifusii 'i
> he'enau hiva fakatahataha 'i ha faikava pe 'e taha, he 'oku nau hiva
> maalie kotoa kae kehekehe pe 'enau takitaha taimi, pea 'ikai keu
> 'ilo'i pe teu hiva ki he hiva fee. Mo'oni 'a e kaveinga kuo fokotu'u
> he paenga ni - Kapau leva ko e gayty/lesbianity is a reality in
> everyday life, Ko e haa leva 'etau lau ki aii? Mahalo ko e pola totonu
> eni kia Stan, Sisilia, tfinau, mo kinautolu 'oku nofo mo 'etau fanau
> ko enii ke nau fai mai hatau fakakoloa. Ku ou lau e himi 'a Mailee,
> 'aaa! seuke! maalie! pea ko e fakalotolahi ia ki he tufikuava ko
> au....'alu atu aipe mo 'eku tangaii ee! Ka neu 'osi koloa'ia 'i he
> lave 'a Stan mo Sisilia kimu'a, ka 'i he faiva kehe ia. 'Oku tau
> takitaha nofo pe mo 'etau kau fakaleitii/fakatangata (hhf) 'i hotau
> ngaahi loto falee, pea ko e ngaahi 'ofa'anga he ko e faanau, ka ko e
> haa ha'atau lau, pe lau ki ai 'a e Siasii ki ai...'e haa...'ofeina,
> 'itangi'i, fakafaikehekehe'i, pe fehi'anekina'i...? kapau te nau fie
> faifekau ha 'aho, 'e haa...? 'aaaa, mou lavelave mai mu'a...kau toki
> lele ki he faikava 'a e kau tama ko ee..
>
> Manatu'i J mo Veni e haka 'a Fatai ke 'ai he 'oku mama'o 'a tfinau e!!
>
> 2010/7/25 jione havea <jha...@gmail.com <mailto:jha...@gmail.com>>
>
> Ha! Ha!
>
>
>
> �oku ou tokanga atu Sitiveni & Kau Tasilisili, ki he kau
> tasilisili �oku taukave hange kuo nau mea�i e fakaikiiki e
> finangalo e �Otua, kae �osi ko ia, ko �enau lau pe ia �a kinautolu
> ... mou lea mai homou loto, kae tuku hono fakamalohi�i e �Otua mo
> e Tohitapu ke na hange ha�amou matapule �oku fakahoko mai homou

> finangalo!
>
>
>
> Ko e tapilipili atu pe, mo holoholomui hake ki he laine e kau
> fanongo!
>
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Peni Mone,
Faifekau malo e ngaue mai mei vao na,pea malo e fakatalanoa mai mahalo
pe tau malie�a kotoa pe he fo� lau himi mai � Maile,himi malie lahi ange
fau,konga ko ee �ku pehe,ha� pe mo ho� pehe na,� e tu�nga ko ena �ku ke
lolotonga � ai,tali pe koe[ko �ku faka�hinga ia ki he himi,kae kataki
na� �ku hala mama� atu ia],� ia ha� pe kei mo e lesbian mo ha toe
taha pe,malie lahi hono teolosia.
Ko e me� ko ee �ku fakatupu tala� mo �ai � e fifili--� �ai e manatu ki
he faifekau na� kole ke ne fai e malanga he Konifelenisi � e kau faiako
� e siasi fai fakata� ma� pe,ko e fakataha�nga fakafiefia hono ngaahi
ma�nga kelesi-ko e 59 ia ki he 63 mahalo,ka �ku ou kei manatu ki he
likulikule� � e tangata malanga-ko �ne fakalotolahi� � e kau ngaue � e
siasi he taimi kovi e vahenga mo �ne ta� manakoa � e ngaue � e siasi.
Na� text meia 1Kolinito 13-Ko e �fa � Kalaisi Faka�si�si �ne malanga-ko
�tau �lu kia Kalaisi hange ia ha� tau oo � hopo tu�lu ha fu� loto vai
mo hotau likoliko malanga hake kuo tau ma� tui teunga fo�u � fai e ngaue
� e siasi ko e tangata fo�u mo e ivi fo�u ke fai �ne ngaue.
Hange ia kiate au ko �tau �lu kia Sisuu � mole hotau anga mu�,te tau
hoko kotoa pe � fo�u,�kai te tau oo ki he �iki pea tau toe foki pe mo
hotau anga mu�,Peni ko e Mone senior ia faka�mu pe �ku mou lolotonga �
ai pe,ko e manatu melie pe. malo mo e �fa Sisi T.

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Malo Loke ho'omou fakamanava hake 'ae kakai lau tohitapu, neongo na'e 'ikai keu falala ki he me'afua kuo hili hake.


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2010/7/27 Fakapulia wrote:
Mahalo ko e pola totonu eni kia Stan, Sisilia, tfinau, mo kinautolu 'oku nofo mo 'etau fanau ko enii ke nau fai mai hatau fakakoloa. Ku ou lau e himi 'a Mailee, 'aaa! seuke! maalie! pea ko e fakalotolahi ia ki he tufikuava ko au....'alu atu aipe mo 'eku tangaii ee! Ka neu 'osi koloa'ia 'i he lave 'a Stan mo Sisilia kimu'a, ka 'i he faiva kehe ia. 'Oku tau takitaha nofo pe mo 'etau kau fakaleitii/fakatangata (hhf) 'i hotau ngaahi loto falee, pea ko e ngaahi 'ofa'anga he ko e faanau, ka ko e haa ha'atau lau
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Malo Fakapulia. Kuo tau levu kake toe holi pauni 3 koe ke tau toe looloa. 'Io, na'e 'osi mai mei Toloa 'a Suli 'o hoko atu 'i Tupou High, Hoko atu he univesiti heni., semesita 2 pe kuo hu atu ia kuo valivali mo lipstick, pea tanaki atu 'a e "eti' ki hono hingoa 'o ui ia ko Sulieti.  Kuo ta'u 'e 20 'a e faifekau 'a fafine he SUTT pea ki'i fuofuoloa ange 'a'enau malangaa., hei'ilo pe ko e ha na'e 'ikai ai ke ma'u 'a e monuu ko ia he ngaahi kuonga kimu'a atuu. 

Kuo 'osi faifekau heni he Siasi Metotisi NZ ni 'a e kau keii ia. Tuai pe vave atu ki Tonga, ka 'e a'u atu pe Fakapulia ki Tonga, pea 'e a'u pe ki ha 'aho 'e lau 'ehe fa'ahinga ni kuo fakatau'ataaina'i kinautolu mei he mo'ui popula, lomekina, fakaehaua'i mo fakahilihili'i kinautolu 'i Tonga. Mo'oni 'a e sinakitala na'e fai 'e Tupou V he konifelenisi 'a e SUTT he mahina kuo 'osii e. 

Ko e kaataki lahi mo'oni 'a e kau faifekau keii 'o 'ange'ange ia 'ia nautolu kau faifekau 'oku 'ikai keii he'eku vakai atu he taimi lahi, pea tatau pe mo e kau lekilekii. 'Oku mau kaungaa lotu, malimali mo fiefia fakataha he ngaahi fakataha'anga mo e ngaahi feohi'angaa, ka 'oku nau 'osi 'ilo'i pe 'e nautolu ko homau tokolahi 'oku 'ikai te mau 'oange 'a e toka'i tatau kiate kinautolu 'o hangee ko e toka'i 'oku nau fakakoloa'aki kimautolu. 

Ka 'i he taimi ko eni, pea 'oku hoko pe 'a e keii ko e taha pe 'o e ngaahi kaveinga kuo fai ai 'a e tokehekehe fakateolosia, 'o hange pe  nai ko e ngaahi tokehekehe maheni pe 'i he ngaahi loto fale 'o e lotu kalisitiani. 

Ko e talanoa kehe ange pe ko e ha 'a e me'a 'oku fai 'e he'emau Vahefonua Tonga mo e 'uuni me'a 'oku mau fakahoko. Tuku atu ia ki ha toki ma'u kava fo'ou he 'oku 'ikai 'aonga ia ke tau talanoa mo toe palu e efee. 

Te u ki'i poaki atu he 'e fai 'a e 'alu fano ka mou fafangu atu 'a Mulikitonga pe ko e ha 'a e me'a fakapoto maumautaimi 'oku kuikui ai he'etau faikava. Fakahela ko e a'u hake pe ki'i kalekale 'o faifekau kuo fakapaipa ia e. 'Ikai tuku e lotu pea 'alu ki 'api 'o vete 'a e kolaa, kae tui mai ki heni he 'oku fai ha kai-pola hhf. tfinau          
   

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Kenau mate kotoa ai , pea ke kole atu kenau hake ki 'uta ka e omai ha kakai 'o kakau mo fangotaa kenau enjoy e hu'a 'ae tahii, heeeeeeeeeee

takamuli.
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> Maafu Palu <maafu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sai ka kuo vave e hu'a mai 'a e tahi pea mou kaukautahi ai leva...kae
> hifo atu e kau fangota 'o feinga'i mai ha'atau kiki....hihihihi.
>
>

> david niu wrote:
> > Tevita, ko e tu'o tolu'aki eni hono hiki holo e ki'i faikava ni. Ne
> > fu'u tokolahi pea hiki ia 'e Takamuli. Toe fu'u tokolahi mo ia, pea
> > toe hiki, 'a ia ko hono tolu'aki eni. 'A ia ka 'i ai ha aofangatuku ko
>
> > e aofangatuku kehekehe ia 'e tolu, pea mahalo pe kuo taimi e
> > aofangatuku, pea ke tau aofangatuku kehekehe ai pe, ka tau matuku he
> > 'oku hange 'oku vave mai e hu'a 'a e tahi.
> >
> > Ofa moe hufia,
> >
> > TNiu
> >

> > 2010/7/26 tfinau <tfi...@gmail.com <mailto:tfi...@gmail.com>>


> >
> >
> > Na'e 'iai koaa ha lau pe fale'i 'a Sione Uesile na'e hangee 'oku
> oku
> > ongo pe 'uhinga pehee ni "felotoi lelei pe ke takitaha piki ki
> he'enau
> > tui"? Na ko ha "aofangatuku" nai ia 'e ala malava kae hu mai 'a
> > "fe'ofa'aki" ke ne kei pukepuke pe kitautolu mo fai ai hotau
> > fakatautehina'i pe fakatamaohi.
> >

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'Oua 'e mihi (fkftapu) e kelesi Stan he koe me'a ia 'oku manifi aii, ha ha ha.

Kapau 'oku 'ikai mate e tangata kae mo'ui tuputupu'a pe 'o inu kava mo kai fakaafe , teu pehe ko e kelesi manifi mo'oni.

Ko e haa ko aa ho'omou lau ki he fuakava motu'a moe fuakava fo'ou ?? kelesi manifi ee ka e kelesi matolu ee,'ai mu'a mo ke 'a'a kae tuku ho'o talanoa mohe'i au ee.

takamuli.
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> stan palu <paeai...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tokanga pe na'a kamata ha kau fanofano ia mei he kaveinga ni..'ikai ha
> toe kau mai...hahaha... malo e fakalanga fifili
>
>
>

> From: jha...@gmail.com
> To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [tasilisili] Koeha 'etau lau ki he gays & lesbians?
> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:29:53 +1000
>
>
>
>
>
> Ha! Ha!
>

> ‘oku ou tokanga atu Sitiveni & Kau Tasilisili, ki he kau tasilisili
> ‘oku taukave hange kuo nau mea’i e fakaikiiki e finangalo e ‘Otua, kae

> ‘osi ko ia, ko ‘enau lau pe ia ‘a kinautolu ... mou lea mai homou loto,
> kae tuku hono fakamalohi’i e ‘Otua mo e Tohitapu ke na hange ha’amou
> matapule ‘oku fakahoko mai homou finangalo!


>
> Ko e tapilipili atu pe, mo holoholomui hake ki he laine e kau fanongo!
>

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'Oku 'iai 'a e kau gays & lesbians kuo nau liukava 'enau mo'ui mei he to'onga mo'ui na'a nau 'iai 'o nau kaila le'o lahi 'o tala e 'ofa 'a e 'Otua kuo fai ma'a nautolu 'o nau tau'ataina ai mei he ha'i 'o e ng. faingata'a na'a nau fekuki moia. 'Oku hingoa 'a e feohi'anga koeni ko e 'Living Water' pea 'oku nau lotu mo ngaue'aki 'a e Falelotu 'oku ofi mai ki he feitu'u 'oku ou nofo ai. 'Oku ou fa'a lava atu 'o feohi mo kinautolu pea kou tui 'oku manatu pe kiai 'a Veni mo Sepesi he ng. ta'u kuo hili ange na'a mau lava atu ki he'enau fakataha na'e fai he Wesley Mission. 'Oku tupu honau tokolahi pea 'oku fakamafana 'enau feohi 'o nau kaila 'i he ivi 'o e Lami te nau fu'u ikuna noa. Ko 'eku a'usia ia 'a e taumama'o e 'ofa 'a e 'Otua. 'Oku ou maheni foki mo e ni'ihi 'o kinautolu ko e kau faifekau 'o e Uniting Church pea 'oku nau tu'u fakataha mo e ACC 'o fetokoni'aki.  Malo Fatai
 

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:27:36 -0700
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Malo Jione 'a e feinga ke fakama'opo'opo 'a e ngaahi pulu mofele!  Ko e fehu'i na'a ne fakalanga mai e felaafoaki:  What did God think when God created gays and lesbians? Pea kuo mo'oni leva e poini hono ua kuo haa mai ho'o fokotu'u fakakaukau, Jione.  Hangee ia kuo tau kakapa ke 'ilo (fakamahamahalo) 'a e finangalo 'o e 'Otua!  Ko e fehu'i ia na'e totonu ke tau kamata ai, 'a ee na'a tau kamata ai he Lautohi Faka-Sapate 'i Tonga:  Ko hai na'a ne ngaohi koe?  Ko hai na'a ne ngaohi 'a e kau gays/lebians?  He ko e 'ananga pe ia 'o e fehu'i ko ena kuo mou feme'a'aki ai, ko e fokotu'uniu 'a e tali fakamahamahalo (all guess work), he neongo ho'omou faifekau mo 'ilo lolotoo, taumaiaa 'e lava ha taha heni 'o 'ilopau e finangalo 'o e 'Otua na'a ne ngaohi kitautolu!
 
He ko e 'Otua na'a ne ngaohi e me'a kotoa pe (as we all know!) " 'ae kelemutu, lou'akau, etc." Pea 'oku ou tui 'oku 'i ai e 'uhinga, THERE IS A PURPOSE 'i he me'a kotoa pe kuo faka tupu.  Pe ko e anga ia 'o hono fakatupuu, pe 'ikai, but there is a reason or reasons behind everything or every situation in life.
 
Ko e challenges ko ena 'oku based 'i he scientifical or biological findings/reasons, he 'ikai te u ala au ki ai.  Ka te u share 'a e a'usia he taimi 'o e kei ako he Kolisi Tohitapu.  Na'e 'i ai 'emau fo'i taimi sharing 'e taha (as students) pea tu'u ai e mataapule na'e 'ilonga pee 'ene to'onga kehee (gay).  Mahalo 'e manatu'i eni 'e Leif & Maile.  Na'a ne fakamatala mei he taimi na'e fanau'i ai (tulou) tu'utaamaki, he had no father.  Pea 'ikai ke ne lava 'o fakalau 'a e tokolahi 'a e ngaahi boyfriends 'ene fa'ee, toe fanau'i mai mo e fanga ki'i tehina & tuofafine.  Pea kamata kei si'i hono sexually abused ia mo hono fanga ki'i siblings 'e he ngaahi partners 'o 'e ni'ihi 'o 'ene fa'ee! I won't go into details here ka na'e 'ikai ke 'i ai ha taha 'e ta'e too hano lo'imata he fo'i session ko eni.
 
Ko e gay 'a e tama ni, whether there was any biological element 'i hono genes ke iku 'o pehe ni ai pe 'ikai, ka ko e impact 'a e horrific life experiences 'i he mo'ui 'a e mataapule ni.  'I he ngaahi ta'u lahi ne u ngaue ai he community services, ko e toko lahi taha 'o e fanau kuo nau 'alu 'i hala 'o alcohol dependent, drug addicts, fe'auaki (tulou), violent, in jails, etc. ko e fanautama ia 'a e physical, sexual, emotional & mental abuses or neglect, etc.  Ko hono 'uhinga eni 'eku fa'a lea atu ke tokanga'i angee 'a e tefito (roots) 'o e angahala, 'o 'oua fai pe 'a e tokangaa ki he fuaa (outcome).  I have found some arguments inside and outside church circles to be very much politically motivated kae moloki 'a e kelesi (grace)!  Mahalo kuo fe'unga 'a e ki'i talaloto 'o e 'aho ni. 
 
 'Ofa atu, Sisilia.

2010/7/26 jione havea <jha...@gmail.com>
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Fakatapu atu Fatai kiate kimoutolu hou'eiki Fafine 'o e 'api ni pehe kia Tau'atevalu mo e kau Tangaat'eiki ka e vakai lelei pe na'a kuo hao mai e si'i Kainga na ia , ka ko 'etau kau taukave 'a tautolu 'i Falei ni kuo nau si'i mo'ua mo fihia nautolu he mahaki fakatevolo, koe Gays mo e Lesbians.

Kiate au ko e mahaki fakatevolo eni ia , hange ko hano te'ia 'e ha taha ha taha 'oku pehe hono te'ia 'e he fie fefine 'ae tangata moe tangata 'ae fefine 'o a'u ai pe ki he ongo kuo fie toulanganga pe tangata moe tanga fefine mo feifne, puke mu'a mai ki heni 'o loholoho'i he'e ngangana pe ongo , ko iaa.

Ko e tevolo ke fokotu'u atu pe ha fu'u kolosi 'o hange ko e Kolosi 'oe Palifita Sene , taha hanga ki mu'a , taha hanga ki tu'a.

takamuli.
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> Fatai Slender <fatais...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> 'Oku 'iai 'a e kau gays & lesbians kuo nau liukava 'enau mo'ui mei he
> to'onga mo'ui na'a nau 'iai 'o nau kaila le'o lahi 'o tala e 'ofa 'a e
> 'Otua kuo fai ma'a nautolu 'o nau tau'ataina ai mei he ha'i 'o e ng.
> faingata'a na'a nau fekuki moia. 'Oku hingoa 'a e feohi'anga koeni ko e
> 'Living Water' pea 'oku nau lotu mo ngaue'aki 'a e Falelotu 'oku ofi mai
> ki he feitu'u 'oku ou nofo ai. 'Oku ou fa'a lava atu 'o feohi mo
> kinautolu pea kou tui 'oku manatu pe kiai 'a Veni mo Sepesi he ng. ta'u
> kuo hili ange na'a mau lava atu ki he'enau fakataha na'e fai he Wesley
> Mission. 'Oku tupu honau tokolahi pea 'oku fakamafana 'enau feohi 'o nau
> kaila 'i he ivi 'o e Lami te nau fu'u ikuna noa. Ko 'eku a'usia ia 'a e
> taumama'o e 'ofa 'a e 'Otua. 'Oku ou maheni foki mo e ni'ihi 'o
> kinautolu ko e kau faifekau 'o e Uniting Church pea 'oku nau tu'u
> fakataha mo e ACC 'o fetokoni'aki. Malo Fatai
>
>
>

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2010/7/27 Takamuli wrote:
Fakatapu atu Fatai kiate kimoutolu hou'eiki Fafine 'o e 'api ni pehe kia Tau'atevalu mo e kau Tangaat'eiki ka e vakai lelei pe na'a kuo hao mai e si'i Kainga na ia , ka ko 'etau kau taukave 'a tautolu 'i Falei ni kuo nau si'i mo'ua mo fihia  nautolu he mahaki fakatevolo, koe Gays mo e Lesbians.

Kiate au ko e mahaki fakatevolo eni ia , hange ko hano te'ia 'e ha taha ha taha 'oku pehe hono te'ia 'e he fie fefine 'ae tangata moe tangata 'ae fefine 'o a'u ai pe ki he ongo  kuo fie  toulanganga pe tangata moe tanga fefine mo feifne, puke mu'a mai ki heni 'o  loholoho'i he'e ngangana pe ongo , ko iaa.

Ko e tevolo ke fokotu'u atu pe ha fu'u kolosi ............taha hanga ki mu'a , taha hanga ki tu'a.
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Ta'ofi e va'ingaaa.!!!!!! 'Atu e kaati puluu 'a Takamuli. 'Alu 'o mamata mei tu'a mo kumi mai ha lautolu mo ha uhi ke fota 'aki e fanga tevolo ko 'eni 'oku lauu. hahahahaha mate he kata hahahahahahahaha lols. 'Oua 'e toe maatuku lele ka mou nofo mai he ko e anga ia pefuu 'oku pehee.  

sisilia tupou-thomas

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Fatai-mo e-malau ('isa!)
 
Malo 'etau lava ki he ngaahi 'aho ni.  'Oku mo'oni e me'a kuo ke lave ki ai he ko e ultimate goal ia 'etau faka'amu mo e lotu ke liliu pe ko e mo'ui fo'ou 'ia Kalaisi!  He ko e ngaahi talanoa lahi e fakamo'ui 'a Sisuu he Fuakava Fo'ou, 'oku faka'osi'aki e kupu'i lea ko eni: " 'Alu pea 'oua na'a ke toe fai pehee!"  He 'ikai ko e 'uhinga ia 'o e fakatomala?  Ko e fakatoo e malaa!  'Ikai ko e toe faluku hake 'o 'efi atu?
Ui kitautolu ke tau ngaahi tangata ke faka-'Otua hono angaa!  Ka ko e taha kotoa pe ia 'oku kehekehe 'i he weaknesses mo e strengths.  Taimi lahi 'oku 'ikai lava e liliu ia ha taimi nounou, it takes longer than we hope for.  Kairos!  Ka ko e me'a kotoa pe 'oku 'i ai hono taimi, pea ko e taimi 'a e 'Otua 'e kei pule aoniu.  As humanbeings, we want things to happen when/how we expect them to happen, but as we all know, it's not always the case. Manatu'i te te lava 'o taki e hoosi (tulou atu) ki he kane vai, ka he 'ikai te te lava 'o force 'a e hoosi ke inu! When s/he is ready!  
 
Toki foki mai eni mei falemahaki mei he'eku fine'eiki ta'u 84.  Na'e suffered e massive stroke about 5 weeks ago. 85% of her brain affected, pea paralyzed e right side (head to toes), 'ikai lea. Na'a ku kau he fakataha 'a e famili he first weekend pe na'e hoko ai 'a e stroke, 'o mau felotoi ki he ngaahi me'a 'e hoko ka si'i hiki e fine'eiki.  This morning, I spent two hours with her (just by ourselves).  Fai atu pe 'eku fakatalanoa, kae responded pe (body language). Ne u lau ki ai 'eku ki'i tohi Me'atokoni Faka'aho, pea ko hono ua ia 'ema ki'i lotu, sio atu au kuo mohe ia.  Pea u pehee ke u ta'u ai pe kae 'oua ke a'u ange hono hoa.  Pea ko 'eku ta'utu ko iaa, 'ohovale au kuo hiki hake e tui ia 'oku paralyzed (right one), pea u pehee ko e kafuu pe 'oku ngauee, toe fakatokanga'i atu mo e louhi'i vae'e kuo ngaue mo ia! Hiki atu leva hoku sea ki he tafa'aki ko ia, 'ou ala hifo ki hono va'e mata'u ke fakatonutonu, kuo toe 'alu hake e tui ia ki 'olunga, the one supposed to be paralyzed!  God's time and healing is a mystery to us sometimes.  But this what FAITH is all about.
 
'Ofa atu,
 
Sisilia.

2010/7/27 Fatai Slender <fatais...@hotmail.com>

Maile Molitika

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Takamuli, 'ofa mai 'o lelea mamalie he kuo ke lomi hala pea kuo lele e
kakai.... hehehehe!!!

'Ofa atu. Tau toki sio he me'afaka'eiki.

takamuli.
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> �oku ou tokanga atu Sitiveni & Kau Tasilisili, ki he kau tasilisili
> �oku taukave hange kuo nau mea�i e fakaikiiki e finangalo e �Otua, kae
> �osi ko ia, ko �enau lau pe ia �a kinautolu ... mou lea mai homou loto,
> kae tuku hono fakamalohi�i e �Otua mo e Tohitapu ke na hange ha�amou
> matapule �oku fakahoko mai homou finangalo!

pas...@genesischurch.org

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Takamuli,koe mahaki fakatevolo moe te'ia ko ongo mahaki kehekehe. Koe te'ia koe mahaki ia 'oku fakatupu 'ehe 'atamai mavahevahe,'oku 'ikai tenau hu'ufataha ka 'oku nau hu'u kihe ngaahi tafa'aki kehekehe,pea ko'etau faito'o fakatonga koe tulu'i 'aki 'ae lautolu 'ihe ihu,ngutu mata moe telinga mo 'etau faka'amu ke nau hu'u fakataha.Kohono faito'o fakalotu 'oku ha he himi "..ha'u 'o lilingi pe ho'o 'ofa 'i homau 'atamai kotoa..." ko 'Ofa 'ae tulu'i lelei taha kihe 'atamai mavahevahe'
 
Koe mahaki fakatevolo ,koe fakatupu ia 'eha fa'ahinga ivi mei tu'a 'one kapu 'ae loto moe 'atamai, pea kohono faito'o koe haka evai ke lili 'aupito pea laku kiai la'i uhi, pea hoka'i e fa'itoka 'aki e sina pea lingi hifo kiai 'ae vai lili ko'eni,pea tokua 'oku ne fakavaivai'i .'ae tevolo pea ne hola
.
Koe loholoho'i 'oku ta'e pau pe 'e tau pe 'ikai ha'ate ta pe 'ikai, pea ka toe tuki mai e tevolo hei'ilo pe 'e toe hala ha'ane tuki. 'Oku ou pehe 'e au 'e sai ange pe ketau ngaue'aki ha lea 'ofa ki he kau G&L,pea hoko atu 'etau fifili moe felafoaki koe mahaki fakatevolo nai 'eni ?'oku 'ikai teu tui pehee.sh

sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Masi'i ia Faifekau, fakamolemole atu kuo hange talanoa ia ko e fakamatala matangi 'a Laitia, lolotonga e fakamatala kuo 'osi tamate'i he'e ngaahi tuofafine ia 'enau letio kanau toki oo pe nautolu 'o 'eke ki he kaunga'api pe na'e fefe ko aa 'ae fakamatala matangi malohii.

Kuo u hoko pe au ki he tangata'eiki fai ongoongo 'a Sene ni, Rich. lele pe mo e kole fakamolemole 'o 'osi ange kuo lahi ange taimi kole fakamolemole he taimi polokalama 'ae letioo.

Ui atu ke fakaava aa 'enau letio he kuo 'osi e fakamatala matangii.

Toki sio he faka'eiki 'oe tangataa he Falaite motau Faikava, 'osi eni hono lau tu'o 5 ke tonu .

'ofa atu.

takamuli.

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> Maile Molitika <un7...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> Takamuli, 'ofa mai 'o lelea mamalie he kuo ke lomi hala pea kuo lele e
> kakai.... hehehehe!!!
>
> 'Ofa atu. Tau toki sio he me'afaka'eiki.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Cc: <tasil...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:06 PM

Tevita Finau

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2010/7/27 Takamuli wrote:

Kuo u hoko pe au ki he tangata'eiki fai ongoongo 'a Sene ni, Rich. lele pe mo e kole fakamolemole 'o 'osi ange kuo lahi ange taimi kole fakamolemole he taimi polokalama 'ae letioo.

Ui atu ke fakaava aa 'enau letio he kuo 'osi e fakamatala matangii.
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Ko hai na'a ne tala atu kuo ngofua ho'o foki mai ne 'osi 'oatu ho'o kaati puluu? 'Ikai ngata ho'o ta hala'i e misinii ka ke toe fakakau ''e koe 'a Tau'atevalu he kau tangata'eikii!!!!! Mani ko e maumau lahi ange ia. tfinau  

Maafu Palu

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Peni, kataki 'oua te ke toe 'alu 'o tufi mai e kuava he 'oku lahi pe
'ulu kuava ko eni 'i mui 'i Sia'atoutai, 'alu 'o tufi mai ha me'a' oku
'aonga ke tau kai...hahahaha.

penisimani mone wrote:
> Malo J e langa mai ha mamakava 'a e kau pastrol ke 'ataa mai mei he
> kau teolosiaa ke te toki lele holo aipe he ongo vaha'a faikava ni
> mo 'ete tangai kuavaa 'o tufitufi ai. Fa'a lahi 'eku konifusii 'i
> he'enau hiva fakatahataha 'i ha faikava pe 'e taha, he 'oku nau hiva
> maalie kotoa kae kehekehe pe 'enau takitaha taimi, pea 'ikai keu
> 'ilo'i pe teu hiva ki he hiva fee. Mo'oni 'a e kaveinga kuo fokotu'u
> he paenga ni - Kapau leva ko e gayty/lesbianity is a reality in
> everyday life, Ko e haa leva 'etau lau ki aii? Mahalo ko e pola totonu
> eni kia Stan, Sisilia, tfinau, mo kinautolu 'oku nofo mo 'etau fanau
> ko enii ke nau fai mai hatau fakakoloa. Ku ou lau e himi 'a Mailee,
> 'aaa! seuke! maalie! pea ko e fakalotolahi ia ki he tufikuava ko
> au....'alu atu aipe mo 'eku tangaii ee! Ka neu 'osi koloa'ia 'i he
> lave 'a Stan mo Sisilia kimu'a, ka 'i he faiva kehe ia. 'Oku tau
> takitaha nofo pe mo 'etau kau fakaleitii/fakatangata (hhf) 'i hotau
> ngaahi loto falee, pea ko e ngaahi 'ofa'anga he ko e faanau, ka ko e
> haa ha'atau lau, pe lau ki ai 'a e Siasii ki ai...'e haa...'ofeina,
> 'itangi'i, fakafaikehekehe'i, pe fehi'anekina'i...? kapau te nau fie
> faifekau ha 'aho, 'e haa...? 'aaaa, mou lavelave mai mu'a...kau toki
> lele ki he faikava 'a e kau tama ko ee..
>
> Manatu'i J mo Veni e haka 'a Fatai ke 'ai he 'oku mama'o 'a tfinau e!!
>

> 2010/7/25 jione havea <jha...@gmail.com <mailto:jha...@gmail.com>>
>
> Ha! Ha!
>
>
>

> �oku ou tokanga atu Sitiveni & Kau Tasilisili, ki he kau
> tasilisili �oku taukave hange kuo nau mea�i e fakaikiiki e
> finangalo e �Otua, kae �osi ko ia, ko �enau lau pe ia �a kinautolu
> ... mou lea mai homou loto, kae tuku hono fakamalohi�i e �Otua mo
> e Tohitapu ke na hange ha�amou matapule �oku fakahoko mai homou


> finangalo!
>
>
>
> Ko e tapilipili atu pe, mo holoholomui hake ki he laine e kau
> fanongo!
>
> --
> 'Oku tufa atu e email ni koe'uhi 'oku kau ho tu'asila he memipa 'i
> he "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope"
> Ko e tu'asila ke 'ave ki ai ha'o email ki he Tasilisili ko e

> tasil...@googlegroups.com <mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com>


> Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki he
> tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com

> <mailto:tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com>

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>
> 'Oku 'iai 'a e kau gays & lesbians kuo nau liukava 'enau mo'ui mei
> he to'onga mo'ui na'a nau 'iai 'o nau kaila le'o lahi 'o tala e
> 'ofa 'a e 'Otua kuo fai ma'a nautolu 'o nau tau'ataina ai mei he
> ha'i 'o e ng. faingata'a na'a nau fekuki moia. 'Oku hingoa 'a e
> feohi'anga koeni ko e 'Living Water' pea 'oku nau lotu mo
> ngaue'aki 'a e Falelotu 'oku ofi mai ki he feitu'u 'oku ou nofo
> ai. 'Oku ou fa'a lava atu 'o feohi mo kinautolu pea kou tui 'oku
> manatu pe kiai 'a Veni mo Sepesi he ng. ta'u kuo hili ange na'a
> mau lava atu ki he'enau fakataha na'e fai he Wesley Mission. 'Oku
> tupu honau tokolahi pea 'oku fakamafana 'enau feohi 'o nau kaila
> 'i he ivi 'o e Lami te nau fu'u ikuna noa. Ko 'eku a'usia ia 'a e
> taumama'o e 'ofa 'a e 'Otua. 'Oku ou maheni foki mo e ni'ihi 'o
> kinautolu ko e kau faifekau 'o e Uniting Church pea 'oku nau tu'u
> fakataha mo e ACC 'o fetokoni'aki. Malo Fatai
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:27:36 -0700
> Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Koeha 'etau lau ki he gays & lesbians?
> From: peni...@gmail.com <mailto:peni...@gmail.com>
> To: tasil...@googlegroups.com <mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com>

>
> Malo J e langa mai ha mamakava 'a e kau pastrol ke 'ataa mai mei
> he kau teolosiaa ke te toki lele holo aipe he ongo vaha'a faikava
> ni mo 'ete tangai kuavaa 'o tufitufi ai. Fa'a lahi 'eku konifusii
> 'i he'enau hiva fakatahataha 'i ha faikava pe 'e taha, he 'oku nau
> hiva maalie kotoa kae kehekehe pe 'enau takitaha taimi, pea 'ikai
> keu 'ilo'i pe teu hiva ki he hiva fee. Mo'oni 'a e kaveinga kuo
> fokotu'u he paenga ni - Kapau leva ko e gayty/lesbianity is a
> reality in everyday life, Ko e haa leva 'etau lau ki aii? Mahalo
> ko e pola totonu eni kia Stan, Sisilia, tfinau, mo kinautolu 'oku
> nofo mo 'etau fanau ko enii ke nau fai mai hatau fakakoloa. Ku ou
> lau e himi 'a Mailee, 'aaa! seuke! maalie! pea ko e fakalotolahi
> ia ki he tufikuava ko au....'alu atu aipe mo 'eku tangaii ee! Ka
> neu 'osi koloa'ia 'i he lave 'a Stan mo Sisilia kimu'a, ka 'i he
> faiva kehe ia. 'Oku tau takitaha nofo pe mo 'etau kau
> fakaleitii/fakatangata (hhf) 'i hotau ngaahi loto falee, pea ko e
> ngaahi 'ofa'anga he ko e faanau, ka ko e haa ha'atau lau, pe lau
> ki ai 'a e Siasii ki ai...'e haa...'ofeina, 'itangi'i,
> fakafaikehekehe'i, pe fehi'anekina'i...? kapau te nau fie faifekau
> ha 'aho, 'e haa...? 'aaaa, mou lavelave mai mu'a...kau toki lele
> ki he faikava 'a e kau tama ko ee..
>
> Manatu'i J mo Veni e haka 'a Fatai ke 'ai he 'oku mama'o 'a tfinau e!!
>
> 2010/7/25 jione havea <jha...@gmail.com <mailto:jha...@gmail.com>>
>
> Ha! Ha!
>
>
>
> �oku ou tokanga atu Sitiveni & Kau Tasilisili, ki he kau
> tasilisili �oku taukave hange kuo nau mea�i e fakaikiiki e
> finangalo e �Otua, kae �osi ko ia, ko �enau lau pe ia �a

> kinautolu ... mou lea mai homou loto, kae tuku hono
> fakamalohi�i e �Otua mo e Tohitapu ke na hange ha�amou
> matapule �oku fakahoko mai homou finangalo!

>
>
>
> Ko e tapilipili atu pe, mo holoholomui hake ki he laine e kau
> fanongo!
>
>
> --
> 'Oku tufa atu e email ni koe'uhi 'oku kau ho tu'asila he
> memipa 'i he "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope"
> Ko e tu'asila ke 'ave ki ai ha'o email ki he Tasilisili ko e
> tasil...@googlegroups.com <mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com>

> Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki
> he tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com>

> Pea ko e website 'a e Tasilisili ko e
> http://groups.google.com/group/tasilisili
>
>
>
>
> --
> fakapulia
>
>
> --
> 'Oku tufa atu e email ni koe'uhi 'oku kau ho tu'asila he memipa 'i
> he "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope"
> Ko e tu'asila ke 'ave ki ai ha'o email ki he Tasilisili ko e
> tasil...@googlegroups.com <mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com>

> Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki he
> tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com>

> Pea ko e website 'a e Tasilisili ko e
> http://groups.google.com/group/tasilisili
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> Demo, Dealer or Private?
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> --
> 'Oku tufa atu e email ni koe'uhi 'oku kau ho tu'asila he memipa 'i
> he "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope"
> Ko e tu'asila ke 'ave ki ai ha'o email ki he Tasilisili ko e
> tasil...@googlegroups.com <mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com>

> Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki he
> tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com>

> Pea ko e website 'a e Tasilisili ko e
> http://groups.google.com/group/tasilisili
>
>
> --
> 'Oku tufa atu e email ni koe'uhi 'oku kau ho tu'asila he memipa 'i he
> "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope"
> Ko e tu'asila ke 'ave ki ai ha'o email ki he Tasilisili ko e
> tasil...@googlegroups.com
> Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki he
> tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com
> Pea ko e website 'a e Tasilisili ko e
> http://groups.google.com/group/tasilisili
Sisila
Malo e vakai �tau kau mahaki,malie fau e talanoa mo e fai �ne fakamo�i
� fou mai he�ne tala fekau,mo�ni �upito pe � e taimi � e �iki,kapau na�
�kai ha taha? mahalo pe he�kai lava,it's a wonderful miracle.Ko e �tunga
ai pe ia e mafana noa ,�fa atu Sisi T.

penisimani mone

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2010/7/26 Tevita Finau <tfi...@gmail.com>
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Manatu ai ki he 'emau motu'a 'i tukulalo, ko 'ene fakataputapu tu'unga'a pe 'i ha'amau mamakava pea tau 'amanaki leva ko 'ene taimi kaakaaa ia. Mou kataki atu tfinau mo ho'omou kau fakalo'akauu 'o fota atu ki tu'a mo mu'a kae 'ataa ange 'a e paenga ni ia ki he kau tauhi kakaii.....'ikai te mou vakai mai 'oku fai e tolitoli?....fai mo 'alu Takamuli 'o 'ai hao nifo loi he 'oku lahilahi ho'o lea te'enifoo....manatu 'osi ta'ofi mai e kohuu!
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penisimani mone

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2010/7/26 Maafu Palu <maafu...@gmail.com>

Peni, kataki 'oua te ke toe 'alu 'o tufi mai e kuava he 'oku lahi pe 'ulu kuava ko eni 'i mui 'i Sia'atoutai, 'alu 'o tufi mai ha me'a' oku 'aonga ke tau kai...hahahaha.
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Ngali mo'oni tama ia Ma'afu, fa'a toe hela au ki vao kae mahalo 'e ala ma'u holo pe ia heni? hahaha! Kau toki lele atu ke 'omi ho'o Erickson, Fononga Pilikimi, etc keu laulau ai..

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mohetaulanga kupu

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Faifekau ko'etau lesoni 'ena mou lavelave mai ai,gay ia kumi atu pe 'oku kei ea holo a Sione wolfgram he halaTaufa o eke ki ai kene omi 'ae feeling koe 'oku ne ma'u he na'e toki hiki mai ai ki nukualofa o fakarati ai he he he. Seniale.


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To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, 27 July, 2010 9:32:32 PM

Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Koeha 'etau lau ki he gays & lesbians?

Fatai Slender

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Peni, Ko JH eni mo Veni kuo na loto pe ke na fai ha'amau 'umu. 'Ofa pe ke hoko e taimi lunch kuo ta'o 'emau 'umu. He 'oku 'ikai teu 'ilo pe kuo na si'i fei'umu tu'otaha talu 'ena tupu? ha ha ha ko e loi pe ia.
 

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 02:32:32 -0700

Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Koeha 'etau lau ki he gays & lesbians?
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sfaupula

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hahaha! ko e kovi ia hono fanau'i mai mautolu he kuonga ne mafola ai e mcdonald mo e take away food he kolopei. ko e 'umu 'e hiko hangatonu atu pe mei he KFC. ko ia ko aa j.
 

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2010/7/27 Fatai Slender <fatais...@hotmail.com>
Peni, Ko JH eni mo Veni kuo na loto pe ke na fai ha'amau 'umu. 'Ofa pe ke hoko e taimi lunch kuo ta'o 'emau 'umu. He 'oku 'ikai teu 'ilo pe kuo na si'i fei'umu tu'otaha talu 'ena tupu? ha ha ha ko e loi pe ia.
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Malo ia Fatai, ko e hua foki he lotuu ko e kovinaanite ia...pea ka toomui pe 'ota ha'ate fei'umu ai, ko 'emau hopo tuu'ulu ai leva ki loto...ha e 'aonga e mo'ui kae 'ikai fakatangane ha fie hua mai hato mo'oni!! Talamonuu atu aipee ki ha fakataha maafana!
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penisimani mone

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2010/7/26 Sisitoutai Taufa <papaif...@gmail.com>
Hange ia kiate au ko étau álu kia Sisuu é mole hotau anga muá,te tau hoko kotoa pe ó foóu,íkai te tau oo ki he Éiki pea tau toe foki pe mo hotau anga muá,Peni ko e Mone senior ia fakaámu pe óku mou lolotonga í ai pe,ko e manatu melie pe. malo mo e ófa  Sisi T.
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Ti malo sió kei kataki ha ha ha.
 
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2010/7/27 mohetaulanga kupu <senia...@yahoo.co.nz>
Faifekau ko'etau lesoni 'ena mou lavelave mai ai,gay ia kumi atu pe 'oku kei ea holo a Sione wolfgram he halaTaufa o eke ki ai kene omi 'ae feeling koe 'oku ne ma'u he na'e toki hiki mai ai ki nukualofa o fakarati ai he he he. Seniale.
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Aaateeeen....hun! Malo seniale e toe fakalea mai, ko eni kuo maau pe 'eku ki'i lukuluku 'o toki vakavakai aipe pe 'e lelei ke toe 'oatu he ko e kuavaa aipe, na'a lelei ange ha ngaahi lavelave kehe ia kau sisina aipe 'o tuku pe heni...kataki pe Seniale he longoa'a takai holoo...ka kuo fai e pefu, ko Bill eni mo Filohivalu kuo na tau mai he efiafi ni, fakalata atu...nau tokolahi atu 'i kolo kau foki mai au ki vao ni...
 
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    mou kataki pe, kae fokotu'u atu 'eni ia, kihe ma'ae kau " Kafo'[ kei/lesi] pe koe haa 'e me'a 'elava ke fai ma'anautolu 'ae kau kafo Fakalaumalie ni.
 
Kuou Fakatokanga'ii he 'etau potalanoa kihe kau "kei/les/homo etc, koe 'ohake pe 'enau " angahala pe ko'enau tonounou,,pea 'omai moe lelei 'enautakitaha fili kiai, ka 'o kapau koe tohitapu koe tohi faito'o ia,, koe ha leva 'ae me'a 'ae kau toketa-faito'o 'e fai kihe kau Kafo ( kau kei/lesi etc).
 
Koe ha 'etau me'a 'e fai,, kianautolu ? kapau ko'etau nofo pe 'i 'api 'o lotu mei ai, kuo ola nai ?
 
pe 'oku  mo'oni e lau ia 'a Sione Taulahi ( kuo mama'o),kia Pulotu mosimosi ihe me'a pakipaki he po 'e taha, pea lotu 'a Pulotu pea ki'i loloa, ihe 'osi e lotu kuo pehee mai e tangata'eiki ia , kataki 'ai pe mo  lotulotu lelei pe ke a'u e lotu kihe feitu'u 'oku taketi kiai, na'a 'alu atu e lotu ia 'o fe'unga moha lele hake 'ae loli uta veve pea heka ai e lotu ia kae ikai a'u kihe taketi .. Koe ta'u kotoa pe 'oku avalisi kihe tokolahiange 'ae kakai kuo nau ului kihe fa'ahinga matakali ni..
 
Na'a oku hoko pe 'etau mamahi'ii e tau Lotu , koha " Lau-matangi-fai-mei-fale,,  'o tala pe 'ae matamata 'uha moe havilivili , kae 'ikai pe ke huu kitu'a 'o vakaii'ii, 
 
Koe 'uhinga ia neu pehee ai 'e au,, koe faito'o koee teu lava 'e au, koe tuku ai pe ia ke faiteliha kapau 'oku fiefia kiai ...pea kohoku ngata'anga ia 'o'oku.. pea kapau teu pehee 'oku ola 'eku ki'i founga , "Io 'oku ola,, he 'oku hoko ia ia ihe ngaue'anga ..
 
koe langa atu pe, pe 'oku 'iai ha faito'o-fakalaumalie kiai ? kapau koia, koe ha leva e founga , tetau fai ...
 
Pea kapau kuo 'iai ha faito'o-fakalaumalie ia kiai ,,mou kataki 'o tuku tuku mamalie mai, ketau 'inasi ai.
 
koe anga pe vakai..
 
 little-bay
sami.
 

 

 

 

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ko e me'a lelei ena sami pea 'oku ou tui 'e tokoni ange ha'a tau poupou ki he ngaahi agents 'a e siasi 'oku 'osi fokotu'u 'enau polokalama tokoni ki he kakai koeni. wesley mission has a wide variety of programs that in one way or another touches lives of people with problems including gay issues. neu kau pe he ngaahi ta'u mai ko ee he tokoni fkseniti ki he wesley mission 'aki e fkkaukau 'e tokoni ki he ngaue 'a e 'otua ke a'u atu 'ene meesi mo 'ene kelesi ki he kakai 'o loto sydney. ka ko e taimi foki ia e kei toko ua pe fanau sami. ka ko eni kuo toko lahi mai pea 'oku ki'i malolo fktaimi pe tokoni ka e 'oleva ke ki'i mamanava hake. 'oku lahi pe 'a e ngaahi me'a te tau lava 'o kau atu ki ai he ko e me'a lahi 'oku fiema'u 'ekinautolu kuo 'osi train 'i he tafa'aki ke tokoni ki he kau gay ko e funding. pea 'oua ai pe na'a tuku hono lotua 'akinautolu 'oku tau tonu mai kiate kita. malo
 
 
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mo'oni 'aupito sami e me'a 'oku ke tokanga ki ai he ko e taimi lahi 'oku tau ki'i lahilahi fkmamafa ki he fifili mo e vivili kae ngalo e tokoni e. malo

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Maile, kataki 'o vakai'i e keupooti pe 'oku kakato e mata'itohi pea kapau 'oku sai pe 'a e kipooti ia pea vakai'i e kumaa na'a kuo kau e kumaa ia he pelekifasi. ha ha ha ha
 
Ofa atu Takamuli..
TNiu

2010/7/26 Maile Molitika <un7...@bigpond.net.au>
Takamuli, 'ofa mai 'o lelea mamalie he kuo ke lomi hala .... hehehehe!!!

Sione 'Atupuha Koloti

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Fakapulia kataki 'oku ke 'i fee?? kapau 'oku ke toli kuava li mai ha kuava ki he potu ni!
 
mo e 'ofa
 
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Seniale , kuo u valivali nge'esi nima au mo fakahako loloa kuo ke 'alu ai 'o kole 'a Fakapulia moe kau Faifekau kemou talanoaa, , ha ha ha.

Malo hono kei paotoloaki e Kosipeli Seniale.

takamuli.
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Takamuli, 'oku ke fakatokanga'i 'etau unconsciously put down 'a e kei moe lesipiani? Kuo hoko ia kohotau kakano, 'oku tau kakata mo fiefia, ka koe ongo e ongo ki he kakai 'oku tautonu ai. Kae sai pe 'oku 'ikai ko ha fehi'anekina'i kinautolu eee. Pea 'ave ho'o kipooti 'o repair, ka 'iaki pea fetongi ho'o kumaa...
 
Ofa atu,
TNiu
 

sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Dniu, ne u 'osi fakahaa atu 'oku tau tofanga he ngaahi faingata'a he fanau, 'ikai hao ha taha.

Ko 'eku kole pe tokoua , 'oua mu'a teke 'ai e ta'u 8 ke ne ma'u 'ae fakakaukau 'oku Gay, 'oku kei toe lahi 'e taimi 'o 'ene mo'ui ke liliu ai 'aki pe ha'atau lotu kapau 'oku tau tui ko e 'Otua tene fakangata 'ae feohi oe life style ko eni mo'etau fanau. Te u lotu atu ma'au pea ke lotu mai ma'aku kae ma'u 'e ha taha kehe ia e loto, ha ha ha.

Tokoua , ko e me'a ia 'oku ou manako ai pe keu lave fakatohitapu he ko'ene 'ikai pe ia kuo u aaafe atu 'o va'inga fakataha mo moutolu, pea 'oku 'ikai ke u manako ki he talanoa tukuhifo ta'e 'uhingaa.

takamuli.
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> david niu <niut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Takamuli, 'oku ke fakatokanga'i 'etau unconsciously put down 'a e kei
> moe
> lesipiani? Kuo hoko ia kohotau kakano, 'oku tau kakata mo fiefia, ka koe
> ongo e ongo ki he kakai 'oku tautonu ai. Kae sai pe 'oku 'ikai ko ha
> fehi'anekina'i kinautolu eee. Pea 'ave ho'o kipooti 'o repair, ka 'iaki
> pea

> fetongi ho'o *kumaa*...


>
> Ofa atu,
> TNiu
>
> 2010/7/27 sep...@optusnet.com.au
>
> > kuo u valivali nge'esi nima au mo fakahako loloa
> >
>

pas...@genesischurch.org

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Takamuli,
 
Ko ho'o ki'i fo'i fakaoli moe fie hua 'oku ongo malie ka 'oku mahino ai 'a hono tukuhifo 'oe fa'ahinga kakai ko 'eni kiha level 'oku ma'ulalo ia kiate koe.'Oku 'ikai teke loto keke level tatau moe kakai ko 'eni..'Oku 'ikai koe taaufehi'a ia... Mahalo pe koe puke fakatevolo pe te'ia,pea 'oku totonu ke loholoho'i ke ngangana e ongo koia...Koe fe koaa e ongo 'oku fakatevolo? Kohai koaa tene kamata e to'o loholoho?Pe 'oku mo'oni 'a SFaupula koe kau kete kovi ? UOI! he pae namu kae folo e kameli.sh.


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Henry Niumeitolu

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kataki 'o laulau fakalelei pe 'a Loma 1:24-32, koe mahaki faka'atamai mo fakaesino ia kuo tautea'aki e fa'ahinga pehe tupu mei he kakai talangata'a mo fulikivanu, hange pe ko Heli, 'a e tautea 'aki e  ta'e fakatomala, Saame 19:9-11, ka ko kinautolu 'oku nau tauhi e ngeia moe ma'a 'o e 'Otua koe ola moe me'aofa nai kiate kinautolu 'oku lahi hake he koula lelei pea melie hange ha honi.

--- On Tue, 27/7/10, Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

From: Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: [tasilisili] Koe ha leva 'a tautolu LOtu 'e Fai ?

sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Pastor malo e mau e 'aho ni.

'Oku ou lave'i pe si'o toutou fakalea mai pea ne u pehe ke tukunoa'i ka 'oku ou kau au he fakakaukau 'e mahoa ka tuku pehe'i ho fie fakatalanoa maii.

Ko e 'uluaki me'a pe ke faka'ata'ataa ange mu'a au mei ho'o fakakaukau 'oku ou siolalo pe taaufehi'a, he teke kofu tu'a 'aki ia ho'o fakafotunga kotoa pe 'e fai mai kiate au, Siasi mo e Fonua , ka ko e siolalo 'oku 'ikai ko e me'a ia ne kaveinga 'aki eku ngaue 'aki 'ae ngahi lea 'oku ke 'etita'i 'o lau koe siolaloo.

Talu e talanoa ki he issue ko eni mo 'eku ngaue 'aki atu e Folofola , 'oku mou kei fetakai mai pe he siolalo, mahino leva kiate au 'oku pehe pe hano defend ha me'a 'oku te 'ofa ai, koe'uma'aki keu tu'u atu ketau alea ai.

Ko e 'ofa mo'oni ki he kakai ko eni ko e talaange 'oku hange 'ae fehalaaki 'enau fakakaukau kiate kinautolu ko e vaa mama'o 'o Mo'unga'one mo Matamaka,pea 'ai ha exercise tene ala lololoho'i ai 'ae tolounua fakatevolo ko eni , ke ngangana.

'Oku te'eki kemou tui, talu mei he 'uluaki fie vala lou'akau 'ae ongome'a he kamata'anga moe fanau'i ai e me'a kotoa pe ko e Angahala? mei fee ai 'ae innocent oku fa'a talamai 'ehe kau Saienisi, he 'oku nau ''ilo'i 'etau Tohitapu? Tau tu'uma'u he'etau Tohitapu, Koe fakatupu koe tangata moe fefine , fakahingoa e ko 'Atama fakahingoa e ko Ivi, 'oku 'ikai koe Gays pe Lesbians .

Koe faka'ilonga pe ena 'oe 'au'aunga fakalaumalie 'ae Siasi mo hono kau ngaue, 'ae kamata ke 'ikai kei 'ilo e kovi mei he lelei, he kuo taku ko e fefakamaau 'aki.

koma atu hee mo e faka'apa'apa lahi .

takamuli.
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david niu

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Malo mu'a Takamuli 'a e tu'uaki 'oku fai. 'Oku ako lahi 'eku mo'ui he fa'ahing vilitaki 'oku fai, pe 'oku tonu pe 'oku hala is beside the point, ka ko 'eku manumanumelie'ia he taukave.
 
Ko e ki'i lave atu pe foki ki he tukuhifo. Ki'i faka'ata'ataa pe 'a e issue 'o e kei/lesipiani ke 'ataa ka tau ki'i lavelave pe ki he hia (any offense). 'Oku 'i ai 'a e hia fai-'ilo pea 'oku 'i ai moe hia fai-ta'e'ilo. 'Oku faingofua 'a e hia fai-'ilo he 'oku 'i ai 'a e mamahi pea 'i ai moe taukapo, pea 'okui 'ilo leva 'a e tokotaha 'oku tokotaha ke tautea'i. Kapau leva na'e 'oatu ha fo'i siolalo, ko e fai'ilo pe ia Takamuli. 'Ilo 'e he mamahi 'a e taukapo, pea 'ilo 'e he taukapo na'e 'i ai 'ene hia pea hilifaki leva 'a e tauteafai, pe ko ha ipu fonu, pe ko ha papa ki he tu'a pe ko e ha pe ha tautea 'e fiemalie ai 'a e mamahi. 'Osi pe ko ia kuo fai 'a e femahino'aki 'a e mamahi moe taukapo.
 
Ko e hia fai-ta'e'ilo 'oku faingata'a ia. 'Oku 'i ai 'a e mamahi ka 'oku 'ikai ke 'i ai ha taukapo ia (he na'e faita'e'ilo) pea ko e mo'ui mamahi ia ka fuoloa 'a e mamahi kae 'oua kuo kuo 'ilo 'e he tokotaha fakatupumamahi 'a e lavea 'oku ne fakatupu. 'Oku 'ikai foki ke 'ilo 'e he tokotaha fakatupu mamahi ia 'oku fakatupumamahi 'a e offense oku ne fai. Ko e me'a pe ke fai ko e raise 'a e awareness ke fai 'a e tokanga ki he ngaahi me'a 'oku fakatupumamahi. Ko e 'aho pe ko ee kuo 'ilo ai 'e he fakatupumamahi 'oku kovi 'a e me'a 'oku ne fai, 'e tuku leva, pea kapau 'e 'ikai tuku pea hili atu moe tautea.
 
Takamuli 'oku fa'a ki'i lahilahi ho'o tautea'i au pea kuo fu'u 'ova ia he hia na'e fai.
 
Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu.  

sep...@optusnet.com.au

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'Ikai ! Ko Koe eni 'oku ke lolotonga taufale'i au, ha ha ha.

Fakamolemole Tevita 'ikai 'uhinga ha me'a 'e taha ke lau ai kuo ke ma'ama'a he koe Husepaniti Koe 'oe Uaifi, koe tanga'eiki 'ae fanau, ko e tangata malanga pea 'oku falala kiate Koe 'ae Komiunitii 'oku ke ngaue aii. Kapau 'oku ongo pehe , 'oku 'ikai ke u loto ke ongo pehe kiate Koe 'ae fakatalanoa, ko ia 'ae me'a 'oku mahino kiate au.

takamuli.
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pas...@genesischurch.org

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Takamuli,
 
Fakamolemole atu, ta koee na'a ke ngaue'aki mai 'ae Folofola'.sh

sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Pastor na'e 'ikai keu tangi ki ha'o kole fakamolemole ko 'eku talanoa pe he hounga kiate au ho'o kei fie toupili holo he'eku fakatalannoa.

Toe kovi ange ho'o fo'i kole fakamolemole 'au , he ta ko aa ne 'ikai pe 'uhingamalie e vete folofola ia ee ha ha ha.

Kaekehe, kuou kolo'ia pea malo e ma'u fakamolemole ke u lava ai ke fai pehe ki he kakai kehee.

takamuli.
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Sam Pakofe

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Malo e Veni e langa mai,, koe mo'oni 'e mo'oni e me'a kuo ketalanoa kiai,,, kihe tokoni " fakaseniti" , he 'e tokoni ia kihe ngaue 'ae wesley mission, moe pulusi e ngaahi tohi kae 'uma'aa 'e ngaahi polokalama ke tufa atu kihe matakali ni..
 
kamata lelei ia ...pea ngali vave ange ia,,,huanoa kapau 'e toe muimui atu aipe mohano " lotu-hufia " eee..
 
malo......... sami.
 


From: sfaupula <sk...@optusnet.com.au>
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Sent: Tue, 27 July, 2010 9:11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Koe ha leva 'a tautolu LOtu 'e Fai ?

sfaupula

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fkongo leka 'oku mahino pe foki 'a e ofi ange 'a e kau faifekau/kau takilotu ki he kakai ni, he 'oku 'i ai pe hotau kakai 'i he sutt, uca, katolika loma, penitekosi, 'aho fitu, mamonga 'oku nau fekuki mo e me'a ni. mahalo kiate au ko 'etau kau takilotu 'e fakafalala ai 'a hono lalanga ha fa'ahinga relationship mo e kau kei 'i he loto siasi, ke malava ai hano fokotu'u ha fetauhi'aki va-fkkalaisi mo kinautolu. malo 
 
 

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  malo mu'a 'etau lava, pea 'oku malie e fokotu'u mai ia, ka 'oku hange 'oku ONgo 'Afungi ,,, kataki pe ..
 
Koe Fakalanga talanoa kuou teketeke atu , " Koe ha leva 'atautolu 'e fai kiha " tonounou- fakalaumalie "... 
 
Ihe uike kuo hili ne tau fou mai ai he Tangata-samaletani lelei... mo'ene founga kihe le'o 'oe to'e pe koha kafo........ koe me'a pe ia 'oku lava 'ehe tangata-ko'eni 'aia na'ane fai kihe kafo..
 
koe fakalanga leva kuou lave atu kiai, ketau ki'i pakipaki mai ai, ha founga tetau lava ai, ( 'atautolu ko'eni 'oku tau ui koe kau lOtu-lelei ) ke fai kiha kau Kafo-fakalaumalie ko'eni .
 
 
Koe ha koaa 'e lau 'ae " toketa-Fakalaumalie".......na'aku ha'u ma'ae kau angahala, ka 'oku 'ikai koe kau ma'oni'oni .. mahalo koe ki'i konga malie 'eni, kapau tetau nofo 'o fakakaukau kiai...
 
 kataki pe Niumeitolu, na'a koe loto vaotalatala 'eni ia, kuou fetakai atu ai,,
 
sami.

 


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Sent: Wed, 28 July, 2010 12:43:07 PM
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Koe ha leva 'a tautolu LOtu 'e Fai ?

Sam Pakofe

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Veni, koe me'a ia,,,pea ke 'uluaki fakapapau'ii , na'a hange masi'i veni, ko'eku sio he kau Fai-fekau he ngaahi mamakava, kuo fai atu pe inukava ia, pea kuo ngalo honau Faifekau- 'o to'o honau hekesi ia , kanau tui piva nautolu ia,, koe kau fine'eiki atu ee, 
 
Mahalo Veni, koe me'a lelei ia, ke fai ..ke toe ui e kau "Lotu" [ kitautolu} ketau toe " Fai ha Fuakava mo Kalaisi" pea fakapapau'ii 'ehe LOto 'oku 'iate KITA 'ae " Malohi" 'oe Laumalie .. kae malava ke ngaofe atu e ngaue faka'evangelio kihe kau- Kafo-fakalaumalie ni..hei'ilo na'a nau mo'ui ai...
 
pea lava ai 'ae fakakaukau 'oe " fetauhi'aki " ..
 
koe anga pe sio ..
sami.

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Takamuli,
 
Na'a ke pehemai teke koma pe, 'a ia koe mahino kiate au 'oku te'eki ke 'osi'ae lau 'ae Folofola kihe ngaahi mahaki 'oku fokoutua 'ai ae fa'ahinga 'oku kehekehe 'enau fakakaukau mo'enau tui hangee koe mahaki moa moe mahaki ua 'a ee na'a ke lave kiai.
 
Ka ko'ena 'oku ke toe lava pe talanoa ngoue, ta hiki aa kiai. Koe ngoue lelei ke to he ngaahi 'api vaoa koe 'ufilei fie 'ufi,he 'oku ne matatali pe 'eia 'ae vao pea moe huhu 'ae inisekite .'Oku kei monu'ia pe 'a Tonga,neongo e saafa moe talatala ka 'oku te'eki kapu 'ehe kanini.Ki'i lahilahi foki e kanini 'i Tongatapu, kei hao pe 'a Mo'unga'one mo Matamaka.Mahalo pe 'e ngali mo'ui ai e ngoue vesitapolo, ka ko 'uta Vava'u .oku 'ikai sai ai e vesitapolo, koe 'ufi pe moe kape.Pea koho mau ki'i motu 'ikai lava ai e ngoue koe toutai pe 'i hakau. sh.

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Siosifa Hingano, faifekau malo mu'a 'ofa 'a e 'Eiki pea tau au ki he 'aho fo'ou ko'eni. Koe ki'i vacation 'oku nounouange 'ia 'ihe laulau 'aho hono feinga'i ke tulituli mai pe kofee ngata'anga 'o e fepotalanoa'aki, kae lava ke fai ha ki'i haamo ua he fatongia. Fakafiefia koe faingamalie 'o mau ma'u lotu heni pea mo Bishop Stokes 'a ia koe bishop motu'a taha'eni ta'u 99. Koe 'alu faufaua atu pea koe malanga toe toatu. Mahalo pe kuo mou mea'i 'a e vela kuo hoko ki homau fe'i tu'u ni. Ne hoko hotau ki'i api siasi ko Tehachapi UMC koe sanctuary 'ia kihe ngaahi famili tokolahi. Ne kaukaua 'anepo 'a e tokoni moe 'ofa 'a e kaingalotu. Koe pongipongi ni kuo laka 'ihe meimei api 'e 40 tupu kuo si'i vela. Kae kei si'i hao pe 'a e ngaahi api 'oku mau siasi.
 
Ko Takamuli, ko siono 'ulunga'anga tu'ukimu'a talu 'a 'emau feohi koe folofola pe. Ko hono malie ko'ene lava ke 'iloi koe Folofola 'a hono ma'uanga ivi. 'oku ou fiefia ke mahe'a mei ha taha 'ihe kaingalotu 'oku ne lau 'a e folofola. Koe taha 'eni, 'a e akonaki 'a  Bishop Stokes, mou lau 'a e folofola  pea fa'a talanoa'aki pea kau ai moe 'ofa 'a e 'Eiki, pea 'oua na'a ngalo 'a e tui fakametotisi. Toki fakatokanga'i hake 'oku fu'u loloa 'a e malanga. Sai pe heikai mole teke toe lau pe ka faingamalie...DO

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sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Dniu malo 'etau ma'u e 'aho ni, tuku keu tekenaki atu hee kau fakalea atu ki he Faifekauu.

Faifekau, ne u feinga holo pe ke u lave'i lelei pe kohai ko aa e tangata'eiki 'oku si'i tautoko holo mo fakatalanoa mai. Ne u lave'i pe ho'o kei NZ pea ke ki'i 'eva mai ki heni he taimi ne kei ngaue ai 'ape 'a Haloti Faupula 'i D/Why talu ia ko si'eku toki toe lave'i enii, kataki hono ui palafu holo 'ae Pastor.

Sio pe au ki he pena talanoa , pea u pehe pe ko e tangata ni 'oku maheni he pena kupenga pea ko'ene pena ke 'oua na'a toe lava ha mata'i mohe'aho 'o hao , ha ha ha.

Faifekau , malo e fa'a fakalea mai kataki kapau ne ongo fakatamaiki e fa'a talanoa atu .

'ofa atu.

takamuli.
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Lousiale Uasike

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'ofa atu kia bill mo filohivalu fakapulia pea fakanofo lelei kinaua. . . . mo e lotu, lou.

pas...@genesischurch.org

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Takamuli,
 
'Alu hifo ki Houma 'i Okatopa ke 'ai ai hata ki'i mei kava,pea toki faka'osi ai 'eta po talanoa kataki 'o fakafufu'i na'a 'ilo 'e Fakapulia' Ko taua tokoua pe.sh
 


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Sisitoutai Taufa

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Tevita Niu mo Takamuli
Malo e fakatalanoa �ku mo fai talu pe hono kamata mo �mau lau
fakalongolongo pe mo e malie�a ,faifai pea �si atu e blue card,toe foki
mai pe ki mala�,toe hoko pe mo e fe-kole fakamolemole�ki.
Ko eni Takamuli kuo lea 'atu � Tevita kuo ki� fa� lahilahi ho� tautea he
kovi na� faii,ko ia ai takamuli hange kiate au na� �kai te ke poto he
fakatamaiki,�ku ou tui pe foki na� mo fakatamaiki fakatou�si pe
foki--tau manatu kotoa pe foki- ko ha tamasi� talahu� mo poto he lapa �
tau lelei ,too e ki lalo kae �lu�si e � hao ,pea ko hono ma� ko ee �
tautea�,ko e ua pe fu� hapo ko ee � e fu� taa kuo to ki lalo mo e to� mo
e lova � e fakapapau mo e kole fakamolemole he�kai toe fai,pea faifai
tuku ai pe tautea � fakamolemole�,pea tangata�,�si pe ko ia �kai fuoloa
mei ai toe takai hake pe ia he tafa�ki � tahaa,toe fai mai pe me� tatau.
Ko ia takamuli �fa aa he tokoua ki� kole fakamolemole pe koe,kae toe
takai mai pe koe he tafa�ki � e toe kii mai pe ha ha haa,moe �fa pe
Sisi T.

Lousiale Uasike

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From: David Ofahengaue ofahe...@sbcglobal.net . . .
 Koe taha 'eni, 'a e akonaki 'a  Bishop Stokes, mou lau 'a e folofola  pea fa'a talanoa'aki . . . DO
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na'e pehe 'a e akonaki 'a sione uesile ki he takanga metotisi 'o hono 'aho ke ngaue'aki 'a e tohitapu mo hono ngaahi folofola ko e ngaahi lea ia ke ngaue faka'aho 'aki 'e hono kakai. 'ikai 'oku pehe 'a e fetalanoa'aki 'oku tau fai? 'oku fatu'aki pe 'a e ngaahi lea 'o e folofola? aah! te u ngaue'aki 'a e folofola 'o eliliu lea he 'aneafi? pe ko e liliu lea 'o e 'aho ni? - lou.






















sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Sisitoutai 'ikai keu lave'i 'oku mou si'i fakatokanga'i 'ae va'inga ko eni ne kamata 'e Dniu .

Ko e fakatamaiki ia moe lotu ne toki ako hake pe ia 'i muli ni, ha ha ha.

malo ho'omou kei ma'u kelesi he fa'ahinga makaka fakatamaiki ni.

'ofa atu.

takamuli.
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> Sisitoutai Taufa <papaif...@gmail.com> wrote:


> kovi naé faii,ko ia ai takamuli hange kiate au naé íkai te ke poto he
> fakatamaiki,óku ou tui pe foki naá mo fakatamaiki fakatouósi pe
> foki--tau manatu kotoa pe foki- ko ha tamasií talahuí mo poto he lapa ó
>
> tau lelei ,too e ki lalo kae áluósi e ó hao ,pea ko hono maú ko ee ó
> tauteaí,ko e ua pe fuú hapo ko ee á e fuú taa kuo to ki lalo mo e toé mo
>
> e lova á e fakapapau mo e kole fakamolemole heíkai toe fai,pea faifai
> tuku ai pe tautea ó fakamolemoleí,pea tangataí,ósi pe ko ia íkai fuoloa
> mei ai toe takai hake pe ia he tafaáki é tahaa,toe fai mai pe meá
> tatau.
> Ko ia takamuli ófa aa he tokoua kií kole fakamolemole pe koe,kae toe
> takai mai pe koe he tafaáki ó e toe kii mai pe ha ha haa,moe ófa pe
> Sisi T.
>
>

pas...@genesischurch.org

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Sisi, malo mu'a e ma'u e faingamalie ko'eni ketau fe'iloaki ai he fu'u misini ni.Kuo hoko 'etau fevahevahe'aki koha me'a ke masila ange ai 'etau fifli moe fekumi 'ihe fu'u moana ta'e takele ni.
 
Koe sio 'eni 'e taha kihe va'inga 'ae tamaiki. Ne 'ohovale 'a mamani 'ihe fuhu hola 'a Ali 'i he'ene fuhu mo George Foreman,ta koee 'oku lava pe knockout meihe holomui.Na'e fale'i au 'ehe taha 'o ho'o kau student Poasi Manu'otua tokua koe fuhu lelei taha 'ae fuhu mo lele,he 'oku 'ikai 'amanaki e kau tuli 'e toe fai ha tu'u mai, pea 'oku tupu meiai 'ae lea koe koe " tafoki tuki",'oku 'uhinga koe lele pea tu'u mai.Kohono palopalema 'oe tafoki tuki ne lahilahi ai 'ema nofo falemahaki mo DNiu, ka faifaiange kuo ma lava hake,'e sai pe homa hema moe mata'u-- kohoma ngutu 'e fakatu'utamaki taha.
 
'Ofa atu moe Faka'apa'apa kihe kau mu'aki toho e Palau. sh.


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sep...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> 'Ikai ! Ko Koe eni 'oku ke lolotonga taufale'i au, ha ha ha.
>
> Fakamolemole Tevita 'ikai 'uhinga ha me'a 'e taha ke lau ai kuo ke ma'ama'a he koe Husepaniti Koe 'oe Uaifi, koe tanga'eiki 'ae fanau, ko e tangata malanga pea 'oku falala kiate Koe 'ae Komiunitii 'oku ke ngaue aii. Kapau 'oku ongo pehe , 'oku 'ikai ke u loto ke ongo pehe kiate Koe 'ae fakatalanoa, ko ia 'ae me'a 'oku mahino kiate au.
>
> takamuli.
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>
>
>
>
>> david niu <niut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>
> Takamuli 'oku fa'a ki'i lahilahi ho'o tautea'i au pea kuo fu'u 'ova ia
> he hia na'e fai.
>
>
Tevita Niu mo Takamuli
Malo e fakatalanoa óku mo fai talu pe hono kamata mo émau lau
fakalongolongo pe mo e malieía ,faifai pea ósi atu e blue card,toe foki
mai pe ki malaé,toe hoko pe mo e fe-kole fakamolemoleáki.
Ko eni Takamuli kuo lea 'atu á Tevita kuo kií faá lahilahi hoó tautea he
kovi naé faii,ko ia ai takamuli hange kiate au naé íkai te ke poto he
fakatamaiki,óku ou tui pe foki naá mo fakatamaiki fakatouósi pe
foki--tau manatu kotoa pe foki- ko ha tamasií talahuí mo poto he lapa ó
tau lelei ,too e ki lalo kae áluósi e ó hao ,pea ko hono maú ko ee ó
tauteaí,ko e ua pe fuú hapo ko ee á e fuú taa kuo to ki lalo mo e toé mo
e lova á e fakapapau mo e kole fakamolemole heíkai toe fai,pea faifai
tuku ai pe tautea ó fakamolemoleí,pea tangataí,ósi pe ko ia íkai fuoloa
mei ai toe takai hake pe ia he tafaáki é tahaa,toe fai mai pe meá tatau.
Ko ia takamuli ófa aa he tokoua kií kole fakamolemole pe koe,kae toe
takai mai pe koe he tafaáki ó e toe kii mai pe ha ha haa,moe ófa pe
Sisi T.

David Ofahengaue

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'Io Takamuli, koe faifekau 'eni na'ane mei li 'ae masi'i ki tu'a 'i he'etau faikava i DY 'i he'ene lea kovi ki he'ene tangata'eiki 'ihe 'api 'o 'Ilai. 'Oku lahi 'a Hanatatafu kae si'i' 'eni..ha ha. 'Ofa atu Sifa., DO

Saulisi Mafile'o

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Ko ia foki Takamuli, feinga atu koe ki he siana, he kuo motu'a ia 'oku 'ikai ke kei lava ia 'o lele. hahahahaaa.
sikei

david niu

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Takamuli mo DO, overnite mai ho'omo keyboard key sio ki ai he 'oku 'iai pe 'eku ki'i faka'ileila ki he tafa'aki fakatekinikale, kae toki fax atu. 

2010/7/28 David Ofahengaue <ofahe...@sbcglobal.net>

Tevita Finau

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2010/7/29 David Ofahengaue :
 
'Io Takamuli, koe faifekau 'eni na'ane mei li 'ae masi'i ki tu'a 'i he'etau faikava i DY 'i he'ene lea kovi ki he'ene tangata'eiki 'ihe 'api 'o 'Ilai. 'Oku lahi 'a .......... kae si'i' 'eni..ha ha. 'Ofa atu Sifa., DO
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Mahalo 'oku tonu ke 'oatu mo ha'o kaati puluu 'a'au pe tuku atu pe kia Takamuli ke ne 'oatu hao tautea.  tfinau 

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Ko ia takamuli ófa aa he tokoua kií kole fakamolemole pe koe,kae toe takai mai pe koe he tafaáki ó e toe kii mai pe  ha ha  haa,moe ófa pe Sisi T.

Faifekau,

Ko e fakafiefia lahi mo'oni ko 'eku toki lele mai ki he paenga ni 'o fai ai e fe'iloaki moe ngaahi maheni moe to'uako pea malo pe Faifekau ho'o kei tatanaki kimautolu neongo e fakapalangutu. Pea kataki pe ha ngaahi 'ulungaanga 'o Takamuli he ko homau 'aatunga eni kimautolu ko ee ne kanoua e tu'a he 'akau tahiva 'a e tangat'eiki faihiva kuo mama'o atu. Ne u ki'i saisai ange au ko e kanoua pe, ko Takamuli ne a'u ia ki he masalai, he na'e 'ikai ke 'i ai ha taha ia 'e ifo'ia e motu'a faihiva hono ta ka ko Takamuli. Ko e taa foki ko e anga, pea ko hono 'uhinga ia 'oku si'i pehee ai. 
Ko e tangata 'a Takamuli 'oku 'ikai ke u loto ke tuku ke tokalalo he 'e fakatu'utamaki ia. Manatu ai ki he taimi ne kei fai ai e okooko, na'e fai 'a e kumi mo'ui ki he 'api homa tokoua mo Takamuli mo hono hoa mei he Lausi'i. Ko e hoa ia na'e kau ia he kau sipoti tu'ukimu'a 'a Kolisi he taimi na'e kei ako ai. Fai atu 'a e talanoaa he 'aho e taha 'ohovale pe kuo na kauhala kehekehe, pea hiki mei he talanoa ki he felauaki. Fai atu pe 'o fakalalahi 'o tuku 'a e felauaki ka na fe'ohofaki. Na'e taimi nounou 'aupito 'ena fetaulaki kuo pine'i 'e he Lausi'i 'a e Funga Mahofa he faliki, kau fanongo ki he manava 'a e tokoua hange ha mapu 'a ha pupu'a 'oku faingataa'ia. Ko e le'o na'e ongo hake, 'kau ka lava hake ki 'olunga te u tamate'i koe.' Kataki Faifekau 'oua te ke poupou kia Takamuli ke tokalalo he 'e fakatu'utamaki. Si'i tuku aipe ke toka'olunga ke fiefia ai.
'Ofa atu 'aupito Faifekau ki he famili pea pehee ki he ngaahi fatongia kotoa pe 'oku fua mei he feitu'una.
 
'Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu. 

penisimani mone

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'ofa atu kia bill mo filohivalu fakapulia pea fakanofo lelei kinaua. . . . mo e lotu, lou.
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Lou, malo e folau pea kuo mou tau lelei atu...ko ia, ko Siotame eni mo Kuinita kuo na fetukutuku mai he 'aho ni, pea kuo tokolahi mo Kolotapu, teu aipe ki he Sapate na kae tu'u 'a e kau tangataa ki he ngaahi lainee mo hiki 'a e ngaahi fuaa ki he folau 'o e ta'u fakakoni ko eni...ka 'oku fai e fakafeta'i ki he 'Eiki koe'uhi ko Mohenoa...'aaa! seuke, mapaki e faa kae toki 'alaha! fakangalongata'a! mo si'i kau faifekau kuo nau fakatootoonaua atu he vahanoaa ke talia e angi na'a too. Ko Muli pe Laumanu kuo na kata mai na ua mei TTI, ka ko e faikakaii 'e kei deleiver pe ki ai. Ko Bill 'oku nofo ki Cokevernall, Taniela ki Ma'ananga, Titapu ki Too'anga'ofa, Filohivalu ki tu'a Si'oto'ofaatu. Mahalo ko e ki'i news pe ia he taimi ni ki koloo...malo e ako pea 'ai aa kae omi kae taa e fafanguu, hee Bill ee! 'ofa mo e lotu aipee.
 
(Kataki pe kau pae he paenga ni he fakaheleleu atuu)
--
fakapulia

fihaki@cairns

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Hi Sione,

Interested on your thoughts regarding these questions:

1. Just wondering, based on these four sources (Scripture, Tradition,
Reason & Experience), that you referred to in your presentation at the
TNC 2010 (as to why you are a Wesleyan); what do these four sources
(from our Wesleyan and Uniting Church Tradition) say about
‘sodomy’ (fakasotoma)? Is the order of these four sources important
as Wesley argues, Scripture first (primary), or have we in our post-
modern age put ‘experience’ above scripture, tradition etc?

2. What does it mean to be part of the One Holy, Catholic and
Apostolic Church? Does the church ‘catholic’ have a position on this
issue of the ordination of people in same-gender relationships?

3. What is the PROCESS that the UCA (and the FWC) have in place for
‘changing’ its doctrines and practices on matters such as the
ordination of women and the ordination of people in fakasotoma
relationships?

4. Do you think that the debate is really beyond the issue regarding
the ‘ordination’ of people in fakasotoma relationships? Is the main
issue now really about same-sex marriage, same-sex couples adoption,
surrogacy etc, as these really are ‘election’ issues, issues that
affect society as a whole?

5. To my fellow ministers (colleagues) if the state approves same sex
marriage in Australia but the church’s position is that ‘marriage’ is
only between a male and female, where will you stand? Adhere to the
church’s doctrine on marriage or adhere to the states policy? Confess
that marriage is instituted by God as only between male and female, or
change your doctrine on marriage so that you won’t conflict with the
state (government) and risk being sued and taken to court?

6. Interested in your thoughts also Sione regarding where you think
the UCA is going to go on this issue of same sex marriage in the light
of the strong push from Uniting Network to change our teachings and
practice on this matter: http://www.unitingnetworkaustralia.org.au/

http://www.sstar.net.au/news/2010/06/24/clergy-pushing-church-for-action/12077

‘ofa atu

Hedley

David Ofahengaue

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DNiu, Ko'ena kuou 'osi fakatonutonu atu ''A 'ENA 'OKU ATU pea kole fakamolemole atu he fehalaaki. Tuku pe a Takamuli 'ia koe fehalaaki pe ia 'a'aku. DO

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Date: Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 10:09 PM

Takamuli mo DO, overnite mai ho'omo keyboard key sio ki ai he 'oku 'iai pe 'eku ki'i faka'ileila ki he tafa'aki fakatekinikale, kae toki fax atu. 

2010/7/28 David Ofahengaue <ofahe...@sbcglobal.net>
 
'Io Takamuli, koe faifekau 'eni na'ane mei li 'ae masi'i ki tu'a 'i he'etau faikava i DY 'i he'ene lea kovi ki he'ene tangata'eiki 'ihe 'api 'o 'Ilai. 'Oku lahi 'a Nganatatafu kae si'i' 'eni..ha ha. 'Ofa atu Sifa., DO

 
 

David Ofahengaue

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Faifekau, kole atu ke tauteai tokotaha pe 'a Takamuli he koe virus na'ane fakatupu. Kole fakamolemole atu. Kuou 'osi tala kia dniu. Kuo fu'u lahi pe fetohi'aki moe kau muli ..ha.. ha..do

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fihaki@cairns

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Sione,

malo e ma’u faingamalie pea ‘oku ou fifili pe koeha nai ha’o lau
felave’i mo ‘u fehu’i ni:

1. ‘I ho’o ako Tohitabu he 2010 TNC na’a ke lave ai ki he faa’i
ma’u’anga fakamaama (sources) ‘a ia ko e Tohitabu, Tukufakaholo, Mafai
Faka’uhinga mo ‘ete A’usia. Na’a ke pehe ai ‘oku makatu’unga heni ho’o
hoko ko e tangata Uesiliana. Koeha leva e lau e ‘u ma’u’anga fakamaama
ko eni ki he mo’ui fakasotoma? ‘Oku mahu’inga foki e fakahokohoko e ‘u
fakamaama ni he ko e lau ‘a John Wesley ko e Tohitabu ko e fika
‘uluaki ia he ‘uuni me’a ni. Vakai na’a kuo hoko mai ni e kuonga kuo
tau tuku ki mui e Tohotabu ka tau fakamu’omu’a e Tukufakaholo, Mafai
Faka’uhinga mo e ‘ete A’usia.

2. ‘Oku ‘uhinga ki he ha ‘etau hoko ko e konga e Siasi Taha pe, mo
Ma’oni’oni, Fakaleveleva pea faka-‘Aposetolo`? ‘Oku ‘i ai nai ha lau
‘a e ngaahi Siasi ‘oku kau ki he Siasi Taha pe mo Ma’oni’oni
Fakaleveleva pea faka-‘Apositolo ki he malava ko ia ke fakanofo
faifekau ha tokotaha ‘oku mo’ui fakasotoma?

3.Koeha e founga ‘oku ngaue’aki he UCA (mo e FWCT) ke liliu’aki ‘ene
tokateline mo ‘ene founga ngaue felave’i mo e fakanofo ‘ae kakai
fefeine, pe koe fakanofo faifekau ha taha mo’ui fakasotoma?

4. ‘Oku ke tui kuo tau ‘osi situ’a pea kuo tau tuku eni ki mui e issue
ko ia ko e malava ke fakanofo faifekau ha taha mo’ui fakasotoma, ka
kuo tau hoko atu eni ki hono feinga’i ke liliu e lao ke lava ‘o mali
fakalao ha ongo me’a nonofo fakasotoma?, pea kau atu ai mo ha’ana
totonu fakalao ke na ma’u fanau ohi (adoption) pe malava ke na ma’u
fanau ‘o ngaue’aki e founga fakatekinolosia?. Ko e ngaahi me’a eni
‘oku fahangahangai mo e sosaieti ko eni he ‘aho ni, pea hange ‘oku
felave’i lahi eni mo e ola e teu fili Falealea ‘oku lolotonga hoko ‘i
Australia.

5. Kaunga ngaue fakaFaifekau, ka ‘ohovale pe kuo lava ‘o liliu e
lao ‘i Australia ke tali ke mali fakalao e kakai nonofo fakasotoma
pea tu’u fehangahangai eni mo e tu’u ‘a e siasi he ‘aho ni felave’i mo
‘ene tokateline he mali – ‘ ko e mali ………’e ngofua pe ka ko ha mali e
tangata mo e fefine. KO E FE ME’A TE KE TU’U AI TE KE KEI POUPOU E
SIASI MO ‘ENE TOKATELINE PE TE KE POUPOU KI HE LAO E FONUA NI NA’A
FAKA’ILO KOE.

6. Sione koeha nai ha’o lau ki he tu’u ‘a e UCA felave’i mo e feinga
ko eni e konga e siasi ko e Uniting Network ke liliu e lao e founa
mo e tokateline ‘a e UCA ke lava ke mali fakalao ha ongo me’a nonofo
fakaotoma? .

'ofa atu

Hedley

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Hedley,fakamalo atu he ngaue lelei 'oku fai mei hena, 'oku 'ikai fai ha ofo ai,pea 'oku 'ikai koha tali 'eni ia ki ho'o fehu'i kia JH ka koe fifili pe. 'Oku ke mea'i pe 'oku ma kei fakaakeake ni he fo'i pulu na'e li atu 'e DNiu pea ko'ena 'oku ke toe li mai e toe fo'i pulu 'oku toe malohiange. Koho'o mou pulu fua 'amoutolu mei fe? Tuku e fo'i pulu ko'eni kia J,ka koe me'a kiate au mo DNiu,tema fai e lau 'ae motu'a Koulo 'Oua 'e puke tema tamate hake pe mei lalo."
Fakafiefia e ongoongo 'oku ha'u he ngalu'ea,tu'u hifo ke ma'u, pea tuku pe ke 'ataa  'etau potalanoa.sh.

Tevita Finau

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pastor wrote:
Koho'o mou pulu fua 'amoutolu mei fe? 
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tfinau wrote : pastor sh mo'oni e tali 'a e motu'a Ha'apai ki hje tama Vava'uu: He ko ho'o fu'u fo'i niu fua mei fe?
 
Hedley wrote:

Sione 

malo e ma’u faingamalie pea ‘oku ou fifili pe koeha nai ha’o lau felave’i mo ‘u fehu’i ni:
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'Oku faingofua pe hono tali 'o e 'u fehu'i koe'uhi 'a Hedley he'e toe langaa'ia ai mo ha ngaahi fehu'i kehe ange ka kuo ne fakataumu'a foki kia Sione, ka 'oku ou kole atu au kia moutolu kau tslsl ke mou tau'ataina 'o 'ohake ha'amou tali he 'oku ngofua pe ia 'i hotau palepale ni telia na'a taku ko ho tau palepale ni ma'a kinautolu pe kau Toketa. 

Te u kamata'i atu pe he fehu'i 1 ka mou toki tapili mai ai mo e ngaahi fehu'i kehee. Ko e ha nai 'oku 'ikai ke tau tamate'i ai kinautolu 'oku nau fai 'a e ngaahi hia 'e ni'ihi 'oku talamai 'ehe Tohi Tapu ke tautea mate kinautolu. 'Ikai 'oku tau tukuange 'a e konga koiaa meihe Tohi Tapuu pea kapau 'oku 'ikai te te fai pehee he 'aho ni, ko e haa nai 'a e 'uhinga? Te tau lau nai 'Oku kei mo'ui nai 'a e konga koiaa 'okapau 'oku 'ikai te tau kei ngaue'aki? Ko e kamata atu pe ke hoko atu 'etau paepaee na'a mate 'a e koaa.

Te u lele ki he'emau tulihopo 'oku fai ke tapuni'aki 'a'emau polokalama "winter@wesley" ko e talu 'eni 'a'ene lele fakauike mai meihe 'aho 'o J Wesley pea ko e tapunii 'eni ko e hopo ki tahi he winter. Hei'ilo pe 'oku kei poto koaa e kau paalangi ko'eni pe 'ikai!!!! Taau pe ko'emau Food Fair 'oku toe lele moia pea ko e fu'u lo'i hoosi vela pe te ne teke'i e hake momoko mai tahi. tfinau
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mohetaulanga kupu

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TFinau koe motua pe a Melo hange kiate au 'oku nofo fonua he kolotau he he ai atu ha motu'a Tongatapu. Seniale.


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pas...@genesischurch.org

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Seniale,
 
Malo aupito ,koe kautama ia ko 'eni ketau oho tokolahi pe.sh

penisimani mone

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Te u kamata'i atu pe he fehu'i 1 ka mou toki tapili mai ai mo e ngaahi fehu'i kehee. Ko e ha nai 'oku 'ikai ke tau tamate'i ai kinautolu 'oku nau fai 'a e ngaahi hia 'e ni'ihi 'oku talamai 'ehe Tohi Tapu ke tautea mate kinautolu. 'Ikai 'oku tau tukuange 'a e konga koiaa meihe Tohi Tapuu pea kapau 'oku 'ikai te te fai pehee he 'aho ni, ko e haa nai 'a e 'uhinga? Te tau lau nai 'Oku kei mo'ui nai 'a e konga koiaa 'okapau 'oku 'ikai te tau kei ngaue'aki? Ko e kamata atu pe ke hoko atu 'etau paepaee na'a mate 'a e koaa.
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Malo Tevita e toe langa mai e paenga ni, ke nau taalanga heni mo e kau biblical/ecclegiologists mo tau talitali aipe ki ha tali 'a J kia Hedley. Neu ki'i fakama'opo'opo (kiate au pe ia) mei he faikava 'a e kau teolosiaa, na'e intentionally fakatupu 'e he 'Otuaa 'i he kamata'angaa 'a e tangataa mo e fefinee ke straight, ka na'e "'ikai 'aupito" te ne intentionally fakatupu ai mo ha tau gayty/lesbianity, ka ko e toki ha'aha'a nai ia kimui 'o e Fall. Ko e 'uhinga nai ia 'oku 'osi ta'ofi mamafa mai ai 'e he Tohii hotau fokoutua ni, koe'uhi na'e 'ikai, pea 'e 'ikai pe ko e taumu'a ia 'o 'Ene fakatupuu. Sai, tuku atu ia ai kau lele mai ki ha faikava 'e taha.
 
Mei he christian anthropology, talu mei he Fall ki he taimi ni, ko e tangata/fefine (tautolu kotoa') oku nono'o fakataha ai 'a e loto ke fai 'a e leleii (creational intention), kae kei tolotui aipe 'iate kitautolu, tatau pe ko hai, 'i hotau sinoo, 'oku 'i ai 'a e matee (free will intention). Ka 'oku tau hopeless ai? Mole nai ke mama'o (Loma 7:21-'osi), pea hoko atu ai 'a Paula he vahe 8 ki he anga hotau hao'angaa. Sai, tuku atu ia ai kau lele mai ki he faikava ko enii.
 
Mei he bublical, 'oku toe vakai nai ai 'e J 'a 'eku tufi mei he interpretation 'a e kau teolosiaa, pe 'oku 'uhnga 'a e Tohi ni ki ha me'a kehe, na'a ko ha "interpretation" pe eni 'i 'olungaa, 'ou ala mio'i ai 'eku "interpretation" ko e "folofola" ia 'a e 'Otuaa, 'osi, ko e "folofola" pe ia 'a'aku? Me'apango, na'e 'ikai te ne tuku mai ha lotovao pau keu tolitoli ai, kae toe holoholomui atu ia. Sai, kau toe lele mai.
 
Mei he tauhi kakaii, kuo tau fanongo ki he ngaahi talaloto fakamaafana ki he pau ke tau tauhi mo tokoni'i 'e he kau makalohii 'a kimautolu kau vaivaii, maalie pea faitangane!
 
 Ka ko e ngaahi fehu'i kuo fai mai 'e Hedley kia J, ko e ngaahi fehu'i nai ia mei he ecclegiology/Siasii mo hono ngaahi tefito'i 'ulungaanga 'e 4 - ma'oni'oni, taha, fakaleveleva, pea toe faka'aposetolo, pea 'i loto leva ai 'oku 'i ai 'ene ngaahi tokaateline/akonaki ki hono kakai, mo e taau 'ene kau kauvaka/faifekau. Pea toe 'i loto pe ai nai ho'o ngaahi fehu'ii, tfinau - Ko e ha nai 'oku 'ikai ke tau tamate'i ai kinautolu 'oku nau fai 'a e ngaahi hia 'e ni'ihi 'oku talamai 'ehe Tohi Tapu ke tautea mate kinautolu. 'Ikai 'oku tau tukuange 'a e konga koiaa meihe Tohi Tapuu pea kapau 'oku 'ikai te te fai pehee he 'aho ni, ko e haa nai 'a e 'uhinga? Kolenga atu ke mou 'ofa mai aa 'o ki'i malua hifo aa 'o 'ahi'ahi tali mai aa e ngaahi fehu'i ko enii kau ki'i maalooloo hifo. 'Oua tfinau 'e toe fa'a tele vaeua holo ha fehu'i 'a ha taha! Manatu'i pe ke nau swim pe nautolu ka ta 'ela pe ta ua 'i 'uta ee! Fakataha lelei atu!
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Sam Pakofe

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Koe me'a 'eni ia ne 'osi taliunga tu'o teau mai ai e Tasilisili talu meihe 2002,,, pea ko kinautolu ne nau fou mai ai, kuo 'osi fakapipiko honautelinga 'onautolu ai,, koe kei fa'a lave atu pe ia kiai , koe fakalanga talanoa..
 
Kai kehe tuku atu kia jh ia e fehu'i 'a Hedley , na'a tau kau atu tautolu ai , ka 'oku 'ikai koe loto ia 'o Hedley...
 
He 'oku hange kiate au, ia ha KOnga " fehu'ii Faka-ako pe 'eni  ia..
ka lava hano talihake koe fakakoloa kotoa ai pe kiatutolu..
 
meimei katoa e me'a 'oku tau talanoa kiai, ne 'osi Fakatakamilo mai ai e Tasilisili he Ta'u e 5-7 kuo hili ..
 
Ngata pe hetaimi 'oku tau vahevahe ai pe pakipaki ai he ngaahi Lesoni Fakauike, 'oku ongo fo'ou ma'u pe he koe ngaahi vahevahe meihe ngaahi a'usia ..
 
kae kehe .. koe leanoa'ia atu pe 'eni iaa..
 
sami.


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Malo Tfinau  e 'omai ha ngofua , malo mu'a hono tuku mai , he 'oku faingofua pe hono tali 'ona, ka 'oku hange 'oku fiema'u pe ia 'e Hedley 'a Jh.............
 
kae malo .........
sami.


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Sam Pakofe

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Sione,

malo e ma’u faingamalie pea ‘oku ou fifili pe koeha nai ha’o lau
felave’i mo ‘u fehu’i ni:

1. ‘I ho’o ako Tohitabu he 2010 TNC na’a ke lave ai ki he faa’i
ma’u’anga fakamaama (sources) ‘a ia ko e Tohitabu, Tukufakaholo, Mafai
Faka’uhinga mo ‘ete A’usia. Na’a ke pehe ai ‘oku makatu’unga heni ho’o
hoko ko e tangata Uesiliana. Koeha leva e lau e ‘u ma’u’anga fakamaama
ko eni ki he mo’ui fakasotoma? ‘Oku mahu’inga foki e fakahokohoko e ‘u
fakamaama ni he ko e lau ‘a John Wesley ko e Tohitabu ko e fika
‘uluaki ia he ‘uuni me’a ni. Vakai na’a kuo hoko mai ni e kuonga kuo
tau tuku ki mui e Tohotabu ka tau fakamu’omu’a e Tukufakaholo, Mafai
Faka’uhinga mo e ‘ete A’usia.
 
tali   : Koe ha e tangata ? kohai 'oku mahu'inga ange ihe tangata moe Tohitapu ? ..

 koe vauvau atu pe kihe fehu'i uluaki...
 
sami.

 

david niu

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‘Oku mahu’inga foki e fakahokohoko e ‘u
fakamaama ni he ko e lau ‘a John Wesley ko e Tohitabu ko e fika
‘uluaki ia he ‘uuni me’a ni. Vakai na’a kuo hoko mai ni e kuonga kuo
tau tuku ki mui e Tohotabu ka tau fakamu’omu’a e Tukufakaholo, Mafai
Faka’uhinga mo e ‘ete A’usia.

 
Hedley, malo 'a e ngaue 'oku fai mei homou fonua na. Tuku pe ke u ki'i vauvau atu, neongo kuo 'osi e me'a ni ia hono toutou vau 'e he kau ka'ate motu'a. 'Oku mo'oni 'aupito 'a e fifili ki he faa'i ma'u'angamaama. Neongo pe 'e kehe 'a e sio 'a JH, 'oku 'i ai pe 'eku mahamahalo he 'ikai lava ke fakatalatala 'a e faa'i me'a ni, 'a folofola, 'uhinga, talatukufakaholo pea moe a'usia. 'E faingata'a 'aupito ke tau ngaue'aki fakafo'ituitui 'a e faa'i tuhulu ni. He'ikai ke lava ke tau fetaulaki moha fo'i pulu pea tau pehee atu, "'uhinga, ha'u koe 'o faifakamaau he fo'i pulu ko eni kae tatali atu 'a folofola, talatukufakaholo pea mo a'usia." Pe ko ha'ate pehee atu kia folofola, "folofola, ha'u koe 'o fai 'a e aofangatuku he fo'i pulu ko eni, kae ki'i maloloo atu 'a 'uhinga, talatukufakaholo pea mo a'usia." Ko e faa'i tuhulu ni, hangehange kiate au kuo pau ke nau o fakataha 'o nau fetokoni'aki ke ma'u ai 'a e aofangatuku. He'ikai lava ke fakatalatala kinautolu ke nau tu'u mavahevahe, hangee pe ia ko e 'ikai ke tau lava 'o fakatalatala 'a e lanu 'o e 'umata mei he huelo 'o e la'aa, 'oku nau huhulu fakataha pe ke ma'u ai 'a e mo'ui 'a e me'amo'ui kotoa pe.   
 
Kapau te tau folofola ata'ataa pe, 'o 'ikai kau atu ki ai 'a e tolu'i me'a ko ee, te tau iku fokotu'u cult kitautolu 'o hange ko David Koresh 'o Waco, Taxes, pe ko Jim Jones of Gayana, pea 'e fele 'a cults, ko hono 'uhinga ko e 'ikai ke kau mai 'a 'uhinga, talatukufakaholo pea mo a'usia ke tokoni kia folofola. Ko e lele atu eni 'a e vau ia he sino'i'akau.
 
Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu. 

jione havea

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Fakamalo atu ki he Tasilisili kuo fai he tepile ni, pea ko hono lelei ke tau tasilisili ka ‘oku ‘ikai ko ‘etau fakakikihi. Tau takitaha to’o e me’a ‘oku te malie’ia ai mo ‘aonga kiate kita

 

Kole fakamolemole atu Hedley, tuku pe mu’a ho’o ngaahi fehu’i mahu’inga ke Tasilisili ai e kau memipa. Pea tau ‘ataa kotoa ke unu e me’a ‘oku lave mai kiate kita kae pu’aki atu e me’a ‘e faifai pea te lo’oa ai (fakatapu). pea kataki he tuai e hu atu mei he Kau Fanongo, ka na’e ai ‘emau ki’i ‘apisia ne fai e afe ki ai

 

Kaekehe, fakamanatu atu: koeha ‘e te lau, ko e lau ia ‘a’ata. Ka ‘oku ‘ikai ‘uhinga ko e aofangatuku ia ma’a kitautolu kotoa

 

Ko e lau pe foki eni ia ‘a’aku, jh

Tevita Langi

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Poupou - hoko atu he 'oku ifo

fihaki@cairns

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Malo e side-step malie Sione. Na’e ‘ikai teu ‘ilo na’a ke akapulu..
he..he..

Ki’i hoko atu pe mu’a ‘eku fakakikihi (ue, soli atu, I mean
tasilisili)..

My point to all is simply ke tau manatu’i ‘oku ‘osi ‘iai ‘a e position
pe koe tu’u’tu’uni aofangatu’u ia ‘a e Siasi (One Holy, Catholic and
Apostolic Church) fekau’aki moe hilifaki nima ‘a e kau faifekau nonofo
fakasotoma.

Kapau ‘oku fiemavahe ha Siasi ia mei he position aofangatuku ko ia,
‘oku pau ke muimui ha formal process (otherwise face the charge of
‘apostasy/hinga’).

Hange koe hilifaki nima ‘a e kakai fefeine for example. ‘I he Siasi
UCA, ki mu’a pea toki tali he Siasi UCA ke hilifaki nima ‘a e kakai
fefine (hange koe fakamatalala ‘ehe President Elect ‘a e UCA Rev. Dr.
Andrew Dutney), ‘oku pau ke ‘uluaki fai ‘a e fekumi fakafolofola moe
theological discussion/debate kimu’a pe toki liliu ‘a e tokateline moe
practice ko ia.

Ko e palopalema fekau’aki mo e hilifaki nima ‘a e kau faifekau nonofo
fakasotoma ‘I he Siasi UCA, he na’e ‘uluaki nonofo fakasotoma ‘a e kau
faifekau ia pea toki feinga leva ‘ehe kau taki e Siasi ke kumi ha
theological rationale/position (if not a social justice reason) ke
fakatonuhia ‘aki ‘enau me’a ‘oku nau lolotonga practice. (R84 &
R108).

Another example, ‘oku te’eki ke tali he Siasi UCA ia ke fai ha mali pe
ko ha wedding blessing ha ongo gay couple, ka na’e fai ‘ ae fuofua
‘mali’ (even though they did not formally use that word), ‘a e gay
couples he Sisai UCA ‘i he taimi tatau na’e lele ai ‘a e TNC 2010 in
July. Now the church will look for a biblical and theological if not a
'social/justice' rational to try and justify this ‘practice’.

Ko hono fakalea ‘e taha, kuo lele mu’a e saliote he hoosi

The cart has gone before the horse (again).

Malo e tasilisili

‘ofa atu

Hedley

Sione M. Veituna

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Hed,

a ia oku hange 'a e me'a ia 'hena koe katuni ko e Pinati faa asi he pepa.... uluaki fana'i e ngahau ia o tu'u pea toki lue atu o siakale'i e taketi eee,


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Ko hono fakalea ‘e taha, kuo lele mu’a e saliote he hoosi

The cart has gone before the horse (again).

Malo e tasilisili

‘ofa atu

Hedley

Saulisi Mafile'o

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Malo 'Atamai, kataki pe he fetoumolililu 'aki ha ngaahi kaveinga talanoa 'ia tekimoutolu kuo mou toulekeleke ha paenga ni. Ko e 'atunga ia 'o e mamani. Ko e pau ke hoko mai ha ngaahi to'utangata fo'ou ange, pea mo e anga lelei pe 'o hinoi'i pe 'a e to'utangata fo'ou ki he hala ke nau fou atu ai kinautolu ke nau lelei ange pe pukepuke ke ma'u 'a e ngaahi mo'oni mo e me'a ne mamahi'i 'e he kau holo mu'a. Ko e 'uhi pe ko e kaha'u/ 'Oua na'a fakapiko kia kimoutolu.
malo ,mo e 'ofa atu
sikei

fihaki@cairns

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Io Sione V, same thing... good example also you've used...

penisimani mone

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2010/8/1 jione havea <jha...@gmail.com>
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Kataki pe J, ka 'oku ki'i pikoloa ho'o tali ko enii, kiate au pe ia:
1) 'Oku 'ikai pe ke fai 'i heni ia ha fakakikihi, ka ko e fevahevahe'aki pe,
2) 'Oku 'ikai te ke share heni ha'o view ki he issue, ke mau ala unu mei ai pe pu'aki,
3) Mo'oni ho'o lavee, "..ko e haa 'e te lauu, ko e lau pe ia 'a'ata..'ikai 'uhinga ia ko e aofangatuku ia ma'a kitautolu kotoa", mo'oni ia pea malo ia, KA KO E HAA KOAA HO'O LAUU 'A'AUU ki he fakahua atu 'a Hedley?
Kae sai pe, fe'unga pe eni mo mautolu kau lekilekii ee! hehehe!!
 
Tfinau:
Ko e ha nai 'oku 'ikai ke tau tamate'i ai kinautolu 'oku nau fai 'a e ngaahi hia 'e ni'ihi 'oku talamai 'ehe Tohi Tapu ke tautea mate kinautolu. 'Ikai 'oku tau tukuange 'a e konga koiaa meihe Tohi Tapuu pea kapau 'oku 'ikai te te fai pehee he 'aho ni, ko e haa nai 'a e 'uhinga?
 
Mo'oni ho'o lavee, Tevita; 'oku lahi 'a e ngaahi hia ia 'i he OT na'e fekau 'e he Mafai na'a ne fokotu'u 'a e Laoo/'Otuaa ke tautea mate: ko e fakapoo (Ex 21:12-14); kaiha'a tangata (Ex 21:16; Deut 24:7); fe'auaki (Lev 20:10-21; Deut 22:22); fakamala'ia (Lev 20:11-12,14); etc., pea kau ki ai mo e homoo (Lev 20:13). Ka 'i he'etau a'u mai kitautolu ki he NT, kuo 'ikai kei tautea mate nai ia ai kae hangee kuo tau tukuange 'a e konga ko iaa (tautea matee) mei he Tohi Tapuu. Manatu'i pe 'oku 'ikai ko 'etau tukuange pe ia 'e kitautolu, ka ko e tukuange pe ia 'e he Mafai tatau pe na'a ne fokotu'u 'a e Laoo/'Otuaa (Sisu Kalaisi) 'i he OT.
 
Hangee nai ko enii; na'e 'omi 'e he kakaii kia Sisu ('a ia na'e 'a'ana 'a e Laoo he OT)  ha fefine fe'auki ma'u lelei ke tautea tolomaka'i ke mate o hangee ko ia kuo ne tohi 'ia Lev 20:10-21 (Jn 8:1-11); ka ko e tali ki ai 'a e Mafai Ma'olunga na'a ne fokotu'u 'a e Laoo 'i he OT/Sisu na'a ne pehee -  Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Fakafeta'i kuo ne finangalo lelei 'a e tokotaha 'oku 'a'ana 'a e Laoo ke tau hiki mai mei he tautea matee for the time being, ki he go, and sin no more, fakatomala leva, tuku leva, tui leva, etc. Hangee ko ho'o fehu'ii, Tevita - 'Ikai 'oku tau tukuange 'a e konga koiaa meihe Tohi Tapuu? Mahalo 'oku 'ikai ko kitautolu ia 'oku tau tukuange 'a e tautea matee, ka kuo tukuange mai pe ia 'e he 'Otua/Sisu Kalaisi 'a ia 'oku 'o'ona 'a e Laoo he OT.
 
Ka 'oku feliuliuaki pehee 'a e 'ulungaanga 'o e 'Otuaa mei he OT ki he NT 'o 'ikai tu'uma'u? Mole ke mama'o, ka ko e tangataa 'oku feliuliuakii, 'o fa'a pau ai ke progressive 'ene revelations ke hoa mo e tupu fakalakalaka 'a e tangataa/fefinee, 'o ne fa'a fekau ke tau kamakamata 'i he tautea matee meihe OT, kae 'oleva ke ne toki pehee mai 'i he NT, sai aa, mou hiki mai aa ki he Neither do I condemn thee [now]: go, and sin no more he 'aho nii. Ko hono 'uhinga nai ia 'oku 'ikai te tau toe tautea taamate'i ai 'a e ngaahi hia ni he 'aho ni, pea kau ai mo e homoo 'a ia kuo fe fehu'i ki aii - pea kapau 'oku 'ikai te te fai pehee he 'aho ni, ko e haa nai 'a e 'uhinga?
 
Sai, ka 'oku 'ikai pe foki ko e issue ia 'o e paenga ni 'a e biblical tautea matee, ka ko ia kuo fehu'i ki ai 'a Hedley mei he ecclegiology - Why don't the Churches continue the proclamation - Neither do I condemn thee [now]: go, and sin no more? Ka kuo hangee eni ia 'e fakatokaateline'i mo lesisita 'e he Siasi Tapu mo Taha pee 'a e ngaahi hia ko iaa ke 'oua 'e toe tuku kae Neither do I condemn thee [now]: so go, and sin more and more? Masi'i, ko 'etau toki too atuu ia!
 
Mo'oni 'a Sisilia, ko e Siasii haa maii 'oku to'e mo 'oi, 'oku 'efi'efi mo faingata'a'ia koe'uhi ko e kau ki ai 'a e tangata/fefine me'a vaivai, ka 'oku ne toe maa'oni'oni pe foki koe'uhi ko e ui ia 'a e 'Otua, ko e me'a 'oku fai 'e he 'Otua ma'ana 'ia Sisu Kalaisi, pea 'oku totonu ke ne kei talaki ki hono kau memipa pe faifekau - Neither do I condemn thee [now]: go, and sin no more, tuku leva ia, tafoki mei ai, 'o tui katau mo'ui, 'o tatau aipe pe ko e haa ha'atau fa'ahinga hia tautea mate, pea kau ki ai mo e homohomoo ko enii ee! Mo'oni pe foki 'a J, ka ko au pe foki eni ia lau, 'ikai ha aofangatuku ai 'e taha.
 
'Oua 'e fa'a toe tele vaeua ha fehu'i tfinau, lahilahi lavelave mai. Ka 'oku kei vela 'a e lo'i hoosii? Kiki'aki ha manioke ta'o? 'Aaaah! Lolo'i'aki ha niu mei he Loloo ee, 'oua 'e 'oho tokolahi Sifa!
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Saulisi Mafile'o

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Malie lahi 'a e fakatataa faifekau. Pea hangehange 'e tu'u pehe ai pe 'a e fononga 'a e fo'i ngahauna ki he kaha'u. Tokangaange ha me'a 'e taha 'e tu'u ai, kae toki fononga atu 'a e faka'uhinga fakaetangata ke feinga ke siakale'i. Ko e ki'i fifili pe. malo mo e 'ofa atu.
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