Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Was Historical Jesus Gay?

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david niu

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Kau tasilisili, malo mu'a e fai homou ngaahi fatongia 'i he ngaahi famili, 'i he siasi pea pehee foki ki he fonua. 'Oku 'i ai 'a e fiefia lahi 'i he ngaahi me'a kuo fai ai 'a e fevahevahe'aki moe feako'aki 'i he paengaa ni. 'Oku hoko ia ke faofao atu ai 'a e ngata'anga 'o e ki'i 'atamai ma'ulaloo ni pea 'oku 'i ai pe 'a e 'amanaki 'e hokohoko atu 'a e ngaahi fevahevahe'akii ni ke fai ai ha hikihiki kau'aa 'i he ngaahi tasilisili 'oku fai.
 
'Oku ou lave'i pe 'e kau 'a e fifili ni 'i ha fuofua fifili 'e taku ko e ha fifili fakaheletiki mo ta'efakalotu (blesphemous). Mahalo na'a ko ha 'uluaki ta'elotu eni 'oku ne tui ta'etoeveiveiua ko Sisuu na'e tangata kakato pea 'oku ne 'Otua kakato (was fully human, and is fully divine). 'Oku 'ikai toe fehu'ia 'a e 'Otua 'o Sisuu (kiate au ia). Ko hono tangata 'oku fai ai 'a e fakatumutumu, ko e 'uhii ko 'ene ikuna'i 'a e ngaahi 'ahi'ahi lahi mo mafatukituki 'o 'ikai 'aki hono 'Otua, ka ko e ikuna'aki 'a hono tangata. Ko e 'uhi ko e ikuna kaafakaafa na'a ne ikuna'i, 'oku 'kai ha toe 'uhinga kiate kitautolu fa'ahinga 'o e tangata ke tau ta'elava ai 'o ikuna 'a e ngaahi feingatau 'oku tau fekuki mo ia.
 
'I he ngaahi 'aho ni 'oku malohi 'a e maapuna hake 'a e teolosia 'o e veteange. 'Oku hanga 'e he ngaahi fa'ahinga 'oku mo'ulaloa mo ha'isia 'o hiki hake 'a Sisus ko honau hao'anga mo honau taukapo pea nau claim 'a Sisuu ko honau taha. 'Oku 'asi pe 'i he fuakava motu'a 'a e kau 'a e 'Otua pea mo kinautolu 'oku masiva, mo'ulaloa mo faingataa'ia. 'I he 'aho ni, 'oku kau 'a e ngaahi 'isiuu felave'i moe immigration 'i he ngaahi fonua lalahi (US, NZ, AUST..mo e ngaahi fonua 'Iulope) 'i he isiuu 'oku lahi 'a hono tipeiti'i fefeka 'aupito. 'Oku alamai 'a e ngaahi kulupu 'oku nau taukapo ma'a e kau nofo'ova 'o claim ko Sisuu ko e tokotaha na'e nofo'ova (migrantization, if there is such a word, of Jesus.) 'Oku taukave'i 'e he ngaahi kulupu pro-immigrants na'e kau 'a Sisuu he kolosi holo he borders talu mei hono 'alo'i 'i he 'ai'angakai 'o e manuu. Therefore he was a migrant. How would you regard the migrants when Jesus was definitely one of them?  
 
Ko e fiflii, fefee 'okapau 'e ala mai 'a e gay community 'o claim 'a Sisu ko e gay (gayzation??? of Jesus), ke ne hoko ko honau semipioni? 'E anga fefee ha'o sio ki he gay community, gay issues, if Jesus were gay? Kuo 'i ai pe foki moe ngaahi taukave ia na'e gay 'a Sisuu. Ko e vauvau pe.  
 
Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu.      

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'E lau eni ko e Takuanoa 'ae Huafa 'o e 'Eiki 'e he kau gays moe lesbians, kau ai mo e kaveinga talanoaa.

Kenau Sisu 'aki mo fakasotoma pee ?

Fao mai ha me'a 'e tui ai e kakai kia Sisu ko e 'Alo 'o e 'Otua, ko e fakamo'ui 'o mamani, ha'u keke 'ofa Tokoua !

takamuli.

> david niu <niut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ko e fiflii, fefee 'okapau 'e ala mai 'a e gay community 'o claim 'a
> Sisu ko
> e gay (gayzation??? of Jesus), ke ne hoko ko honau semipioni? 'E anga
> fefee
> ha'o sio ki he gay community, gay issues, if Jesus were gay? Kuo 'i ai
> pe
> foki moe ngaahi taukave ia na'e gay 'a Sisuu. Ko e vauvau pe.
>
> Ofa moe hufia,
> TNiu.
>

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Sam Pakofe

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 Dniu, Malo e talanoa pea hangehange kiate au, 'oku 'iai  e me'a mahu'inga 'oku ke loto keke talanoa kiai, ka 'oku hange 'oku ke ki'ii pepe'e ,, pe 'ikai .. hahahaaa..
 
Koe Fakatalanoa malie 'oku ke 'omai, koe 'uhi , he 'oku ou kau au he fiefia ma'u pe he potalanoa ke discus pea fakalangalanga ai e potalanoa.. meihe ngaahi tuliki 'oe kaveinga ..
 
Koe konga malie 'ena, koho'o fifili, pe 'e fefe nai ka ui pe 'ehe kau lesi moe kau kei 'a Sisu koe " Sisu ia 'anautolu " pea koe fifili ia 'oku malie.
 
'oku ou kau au he fiefia ai, kapau 'oku nau 'ilo'i ( recognize) 'ae Hingoa " Sisu "... fu'u faka'ofo'ofa fau ia.... ko'enau faka'ulungaanga'ii koe me'a ia 'anautolu,, ka 'oka faifaiange kuo nau lava 'o lea mo 'ilo'i e Hingoa 'o " Sisu " 'osi fe'unga ia..
 
" hingao pe ia ko Sisu , katau mo'ui ai ....
 
koe anga pe selue, he 'oku malohi fau e havili ..
sami.

 


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Sione Mauifanga

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Malie e fifili ia ka 'oku hange ka au David Niu ko e sio mei tu'a ki
ha Sisu gay 'e kei pasangasanga pe hano 'auliliki. Te ke toki lava koe
'o fakamatala ki he kakato 'o e Sisu gay ha'o hu atu mo koe 'o kau he
gay. Te ke 'analaiso ai 'e koe TNiu ko e gay 'a e Sisu gay mo hono
mahu'inga ki he gay community.

Kaekehe ko e sio faka-straight atu pe eni ia

maui

david niu

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2010/8/3 Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>

Koe konga malie 'ena, koho'o fifili, pe 'e fefe nai ka ui pe 'ehe kau lesi moe kau kei 'a Sisu koe " Sisu ia 'anautolu " pea koe fifili ia 'oku malie.
 
Sami, maloo mu'a e kei fai e fakatalanoa. 'Oku tala pe 'e he tokolahi hono 'ohofi 'o e kaveinga 'a e mahu'inga 'o ha kaveinga. Kapau leva 'oku 'ikai mahu'inga ha kaveinga ia ke fai ki ai ha lave pea 'oku 'ikai fie talanoa ha taha ia ki he kaveinga ko ia. 'Oku ou kau he mahu'inga'ia he kaveinga fekau'aki moe kakai pe ko ha kulupu 'oku nofo mafasia mo ha'isia (ta'e'iai ha'anau hia) Ko hai te ne fakatau'ataaina'i kinautolu? Ko e kakai faihia 'oku 'ave ki Tolitoli. Ko e kakai 'oku puke 'i he 'aavanga 'oku 'ave ki fale'atamai pe ko falemahaki. Ko e kakai ko eni (gay/lesbian) 'oku 'ikai ke 'i ai ha'anau hia, ka 'oku tau tuku piliisone'i pe kinautolu 'i he loto sosaieti.
 
Ko e kakai ni ko e kakai tatau pe mo kitautolu, ko e kaungangaue, kaungaako, kaungalotu....Ko e taimi lahi ko e faingata'a 'etau talanoa he kaveinga ni he kuo 'osi dominate pe 'e he fo'i fakakaukau ia ko e "fakasotoma" 'a e potalanoa. Tatau tofu pe ia mo hono dominate ia 'e he "sex" 'a e taimi 'e fai ai ha talanoa ki he sexuality, 'osi ko ia 'oku 'ikai ko e kaveinga ia 'o e talanoa.
 
Ko e kakai ko eni 'oku nau lotu pe ki he 'Otua 'oku tau lotu ki ai. "oku nau tui pe kia Sisuu tatau pe 'oku tau tui ki ai. Ko hono faikehekehe, he 'oku talaatu 'e he'etau kau lotu 'atautolu, "ikai ko Sisuu 'Aavanga ena ia 'oku mou lotu ki ai." tupu ai e ta'elotu 'a e fa'ahinga tokolahi, ko e 'uhii 'oku 'ikai "faka'ataa" 'e he sosaieti ke nau lotu ki he 'Eiki tatau pe mo ia 'oku tau lotu ki ai. Kaikehe, he'ikai foki ke haa kakato 'a e mo'ui, 'e ha fakakonga pe ko e 'uhii ke tau tui, ka 'e toki haa kotoa 'amui. Kei vauvau pe.
 
Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu.
 
    

david niu

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2010/8/3 Sione Mauifanga <maui...@gmail.com>

Malie e fifili ia ka 'oku hange ka au David Niu ko e sio mei tu'a ki ha Sisu gay 'e kei pasangasanga pe hano 'auliliki. Te ke toki lava koe 'o fakamatala ki he kakato 'o e Sisu gay ha'o hu atu mo koe 'o kau he gay. Te ke 'analaiso ai 'e koe TNiu ko e gay 'a e Sisu gay mo hono mahu'inga ki he gay community.
 
Malo Sione. 'Oku ou tui Sione 'oku mahu'inga pe ke tau 'ilo'i ko e kakai ko 'eni 'oku nau fielotu pe mo kinautolu ki he 'Otua tatau pe 'oku tau lotu ki ai, pea 'oku nau fie ohi pe 'a Sisuu 'o hangee pe ko 'etau lau 'a Sisuu ko hotau 'ho'ota.' Ka ko e kongalahi 'oku nau takatu'a ai ko e attitude 'o e kau 'Kalsistiane' kiate kinautolu, 'o taku ko e fahalaaki nai honau fa'uu? 
 
Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu.

david niu

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'E lau eni ko e Takuanoa 'ae Huafa 'o e 'Eiki 'e he kau gays moe lesbians, kau ai mo e kaveinga talanoaa.

Kenau Sisu 'aki mo fakasotoma pee ?

Fao mai ha me'a 'e tui ai e kakai kia Sisu ko e 'Alo 'o e 'Otua, ko e fakamo'ui 'o mamani, ha'u keke 'ofa Tokoua !

Maloo Takamuli e fai fatongia ki he lotu moe famili. Ko e lafo atu pe kaveinga na'a lava ke fao atu e ngata'anga hota kau'aa pea kapau 'oku 'ikai 'aonga ia pe fiema'u ia ke toe fao'i atu pea ta tu'u pe aa hota tu'u'anga kau'aa motu'a. 
 
Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu

Maafu Palu

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Manatu ki he talanoa ko ee teu tali'i 'e Lutu Mailangi e fu'u Fisi ko
Le'ula.

Sio atu ki he lele mai 'a e fu'u tama pea saiti hake ia ki he tafa'aki
'o ui atu "'Alu pe".

DNiu, Gay pe koe mo ho'o Sisu....hihihi.

david niu

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2010/8/3 Maafu Palu <maafu...@gmail.com>

Manatu ki he talanoa ko ee teu tali'i 'e Lutu Mailangi e fu'u Fisi ko Le'ula.

Sio atu ki he lele mai 'a e fu'u tama pea saiti hake ia ki he tafa'aki 'o ui atu "'Alu pe".

DNiu, Gay pe koe mo ho'o Sisu....hihihi.
 
Maloo Ma'afu. Mo'oni ai e fakafeta'i 'a tangata'eiki faifekau siasi Tonga: "Fakafeta'i e ma'u koloa." Ko e fakalea atu pe he 'e te tau fetaulaki pe, pea ka 'i ai ha'a tau fetaulaki 'oua na'a mou panic eee....

Sione M. Veituna

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Tevita,
tokanga na'a ke oho 'o ta he faifekau faiako, he he he he he hee mokomoko koe he he he he

ofa atu
Ma'ananga

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sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Malo Dniu,

Kataki, pe ne haa 'eku pehe ko e Takuanoa eni 'ae Huafa 'oe 'Eiki 'oku ke fai mo e kau Gays mo e Lesbians ? ka e toki tuli au.

Sio pe au 'o teteki atu ho'o 'ikai tu'utu'ukina ke lea pehe kia Sisu, pea ko e fa'ahinga kakai pehe pe he Tohitapu 'oku 'ilo ai 'ae fa'ahinga folinga tala'otua ko iaa, ko e kakai 'oku 'ikai kenau tui nautolu ki a Sisu, ko au ia ko eni Dniu, 'oku te 'ofa 'ia he Huafa 'oku ke feinga ke fakaili 'aki e fiema'u 'ae matakali na.


takamuli.
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david niu

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Sio pe au 'o teteki atu ho'o 'ikai tu'utu'ukina ke lea pehe kia Sisu,
 
Takamuli, ko e ha kau ka tu'utu'ukina ai? Ko 'ete tu'utu'ukina pe kapau 'oku 'ikai ke te maheni mo Sisuu (have you heard of the three R's - relationship, relationship, relationship). He'ikai ke u fakaanga kapau 'oku ke tu'utu'ukina.
 
Ko e taimi na'e fai ai 'e Sisuu 'a e talanoa fakataataa ki he Tangata Samaletani Failelei, 'i he taimi na'e fanongo ai 'a e telinga 'o e tangata Siuu ki he fai 'e he Samelia 'a e fakamo'ui 'o e tangata faingataa'ia, na'a nau tu'utu'ukina 'i hono hiki hake 'e Sisuu 'a e kakai palakuu ko eni, kakai 'uli, kakai lotu 'aitoli, ke nau hoko kinautolu ko e "tama ia 'oku  fai ki ai 'a e faiva...." Te u toki hoko atu he Sapate na'a 'osi atu e ki'i me'aa ia......
 
Kapau na'e toe hoko kakano mai 'a Sisuu 'i he 'aho ni, 'oku ou manavasi'i na'a hiki hake 'e Sisuu 'a e kau Gays/lesbians 'o talanoa fakataataa 'aki ka ta mo'unofoa pe kitauaa mo 'eta ma'u lotu he Sapate kotoaa.
 
Ofa lahi atu toko2,
TNiu.
 
 

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Malie 'aupito ia Dniu, ka 'oku toe ngaue 'aki pe kapau 'oku 'ikai kete tu'utu'ukina na'a 'oku te fokoutua he Kilia, ka na'a 'oku anga pehe ha taimi 'o'etau fokotu'u Kaveinga 'aki 'a Sisu Gay, ketau ki'i taimi na'a 'oku 'iai ha fokoutua , kilia fakalaumalie 'iate kitautolu.

Ko e me'a 'e taha 'oku tau lolotonga heehee'ia ai , kapau 'e ha'ele mai he taimi ni 'a Sisu , tene hakeaki'i e Gays mo e Lesibians, mahino mai heni 'oku 'ikai ha'atau taukei mo'etau Tohitapu pea 'oku 'ikai ketau maheni mo Sisu.

Ko e toe ha'ele mai ko eni 'a Sisu, ke fakamaau'i 'ae mo'ui mo e mate pea ko kinautolu ne fakatuia e to'ongamo'ui fakasotoma tenau 'auha fakataha mo e kakai fakasotoma, koia pee .

Ka 'oku pehe mai 'ehe Tohitapu ko e fakatupu ko e tangata mo e fefine , pea ketau tui ki ai 'o fakafeta'i ai. 'Oku angahala ke nonofo e tangata mo e tangata, fefine mo e fefine, ko e huhu 'o e angahala ko e mate, ko e mate ia.

"Oua 'e faka'ai'ai e mo'ui angahala ko ia he tenau iku kotoa pe kihe 'auhaa, 'ae fakasotoma he ko e nunu'a ia 'oe fa'ahinga taukave 'oku ke tu'u ai.

takamuli.

david niu

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2010/8/3 sep...@optusnet.com.au

"Oua 'e faka'ai'ai e mo'ui angahala ko ia he tenau iku kotoa pe kihe 'auhaa.
 
Takamuli, ha'aku heka tama he vaka folau ki he mo'uita'engata 'o ta'ata'alo atu ka ke tu'u pe 'o sio mai hangee ha'o talipasi ke ke foki ki Houmaa, sio ta'epete pe, kau ta'ata'alo atu pe 'ikai ke toe 'i ai ha felave, ko e tomui 'e 'ikai lava.
 
TNiu.

david niu

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Kenau Sisu 'aki mo fakasotoma pee ?
 
Takamuli, ko e ha koaa 'oku stuck ai ho 'atamai he 'fakasotoma'? Kapau ko e 'uhinga ia 'oku si'i molokaki ai 'a e gays/lesbians ko e 'uhii ko e 'fakasotoma,' fefee leva 'akinautolu 'oku gays/lesbians 'oku 'ikai ke nau 'fakasotoma'? Te nau kau aipe mo kinautolu 'i ho'o faka'auha? Ko e taimi 'oku tau talanoa ai ki he tangata/fefine, we are not talking about 'sex.' We are talking about a whole world of different issues besides 'sex.' And it's the same thing when we talk about gays and lesbians. We are not talking about 'fakasotoma.' 'Oku tau talanoa fekau'aki moe totonu ke nau lotu tau'ataaina, totonu ke nau ma'u 'a e ngaahi monuu tatau 'oku ma'u 'e he tangata moe fefine, etc. Kataki pe he 'eku feinga atu ke fakatalatala ho 'atamai mei he kovi, ka he'e toe matala? Ka lava 'o matala, 'oku ou tui he 'ikai ke fu'u high pehee fau ho totoo.
 
Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu.

sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Maama mo ki'i talanoa mo Dniu kae tuku ke e laku'i hake e la'i veve ko ee kau toki talanoa atu , malo.

Ka 'oku ou hila hake kiho fangatoko2
faifekau mei he loki koee 'oku nau talamai�na'e�gay 'a Sisu. Masi'i
Ma'ananga
na'a 'oku 'i ai ha me'a 'oku fehalaaki 'i ho'o mou kau faifekau
he 'enau fu'u
pehe fauu.Fk'ulia mo'oni kapau koe ola e ako�Tohitapu moe tevolosia tama ni eee.
Pe te mau fefe mau tolu ko 'eni 'oku fanongo�he me'a fkmamahi mo'oni koe kau

lotu ni moe fk'uhinga ni ia..
Sai ange nofo 'i 'api ia he muimui kihe kau faifekau ko 'eni hua noa 'e nau
malanga. Si'i fk'ofa ko hoku fkmo'ui hono 'ai pehe 'i mole 'ae
fk'apa'apa ia ki
ai koe 'ALo 'oe 'Otua.
maama
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Maama Tupa

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Maama mo ki'i talanoa mo Dniu kae tuku ke e laku'i hake e la'i veve ko ee kau toki talanoa atu , malo.
takamuli
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Koe me'a koee 'oku lave mai ki ai 'a Dniu fekau 'aki mo hoku fkmo'ui ko Sisu koe Kalaisi ia koe 'ALo 'oe 'Otua 'oku 'ikai keu tali ia 'e au...pea 'oku ui ia 'e au
Bullcity OK very simple ehh
mote lailai
maama

 

sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Malo Maama ho'o afe mei he tala'otua fakamate ko eni kuo hoko mai hotau kuonga, malo ho'o tali 'ae kole , ko eni kuo manifinifi atu e veve, kae hoko atu e talanoaa.

Dniu,
Ko e faka'auha 'oku pule'i 'ehe 'Otua pea na'a ne ngaue 'aki pe 'a e kau Palofita lau pe 'ae fuakava motu'a he ngaahi Tu'i mo e Kalonikali fai mai ai ki he ngaahi Tohi 'ae kau Palofita , Sisu mo hono kau muimui ke fakahaa 'e faka'auha e angahala, ka 'ihe founga 'oku fakahaa 'e Sioe 3:16.

Ko e Gays mo e Lesbians koe fakatupu ia 'e mamani mahalo he 'oku ke fu'u tokanga lahi ki mamani mo e 'aho ni. Koe lau 'ae Tohitapu ne 'ikai ko ha gay 'a Sisu pe lesbians, 'oku 'ikai ke ke faka'apa'apa ki he 'Otua ka 'oku ke tala lakulaku mo takuanoa 'aki hono huafa pea ko e toki mala'ia ka ko kitaua he feinga ke takaua .

Ko e gays mo lesbians pee 'oku homosexuality (fakasotoma) fakafeta'i kapau 'oku hao ha taha mei ai pea 'e 'ae 'Otua mo ia 'ae toenga hono ngaahi ongoo, fakataha ai mo Koe 'i he founga ho'o taukave'i talanoa 'oku fai kia Sisu.

malietalanoa.

David Ofahengaue

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'Aho 'e taha, fakaafe'i mai he motu'a kema oo sio 'akapulu he va'inga hono foha. 'Ohovale pe kuo fuhu e 'ongo tama 'i loto koe taufusi'ulu. Pehe mai 'a e motu'a, ko hoku foha 'ena 'oku lele ke kau he fuhu. Peau faka'ongo'ongo koe fuhu. Lele atu pe hono foha 'o toe kau  mo ia he taufusi'ulu.
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sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Ko e talanoa pehe kapau 'oku tapui ko ena kuo 'osi faka'ataa 'e he ngaahi Siasi kau ai Koe, pea 'oku fakatatali pe pe ko e ha e fuoloa 'ae tali 'ae ngahi Siasi ke 'io mai e Pule'anga kuo paasi e lao ke mali e same gender , kae 'oange e faingamalie 'o e nofo mali kenau 'inasi ai he 'oku 'ikai kei lau ia ko ha angahala.

Ka 'oku ke 'ilo Dniu, 'oku ke kau Koe he tangata ta'e'ofa mo'oni he laumalie 'oe Gays mo e Lesbians, 'ikai ke ke to'o atu e Tohitapu ka ke to'o atu e konga tauveli he'e fai holo pupuha.


takamuli.
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2010/8/3 Sione M. Veituna <svei...@yahoo.com>

Tevita,
tokanga na'a ke oho 'o ta he faifekau faiako, he he he he he hee mokomoko koe he he he he
 
Ma'anganga, 'oku fe'unga pe ho'o faka'ai'ai mo Maama he 'oku 'i ai 'ene taufale'atamai. Mahalo ko ho'o feinga 'au ke ma'ukovia au ha tuliki pea u vevela au ka ke fola koe eee.
 
Ko e tuukuhua pe foki Ma'ananga, ka ko hai na'a ne lavelave 'iloa 'e ofi atu e fakakaukau 'o e gays/lesbians ki Tonga. Ko e 'aho ni kuo 'ikai ke kei lava ke mata'ofi 'a e hu'a ia 'a e tahi. 'Oku 'ikai ke u mamafa ki he tafa'aki ko ee pe 'oku tonu koaa pe 'oku hala. 'Oku ou mamafa ki he tafa'aki ko eni, ka hoko mai (pea 'e a'u pe ki ai) ko e ha 'atautolu 'e fai? Te tau toe repeat nai 'a e history ke toe fai ha fakahee? Ko e me'a ia 'oku ou tokanga ki ai ke tau mateuteu. Ko e anga pe foki 'a e vauvau.
 
Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu.

david niu

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 'ikai ke ke to'o atu e Tohitapu ka ke to'o atu e konga tauveli he'e fai holo pupuha.
takamuli.
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Takamuli, hange pe ko ia na'a ku 'osi lauu, te u toe 'ai atu...'feinga ke to'o mo fakatalatala ho 'atamai mei he fakakaukau ta'etaau.' Tala mai ange pe ko e fee ai ha kupu 'oku 'ikai ke fakatohitapu?
 
TNiu.

david niu

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Koe me'a koee 'oku lave mai ki ai 'a Dniu fekau 'aki mo hoku fkmo'ui ko Sisu koe Kalaisi ia koe 'ALo 'oe 'Otua 'oku 'ikai keu tali ia 'e au...pea 'oku ui ia 'e au
Bullcity OK very simple ehh
mote lailai
maama
 
Maama, ko koee 'oku 'ikai ke ke hama ha me'a. Na'a ku pehee ko e totaloo pe 'oku ke faii, ta ko ee 'oku ke toe fanga pulu eee.ha ha ha! Maloo Maama.

pas...@genesischurch.org

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Maama,ko'etau tipeiti pe hange pe ha'atau fevahevahe'aki,koe felafoaki pe mo'oni mo etau 'uhinga ka'oku te'eki taimi ia ke tala kakato mai ai hota hingoa 'e taha ' sh'
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david niu

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Maama,ko'etau tipeiti pe hange pe ha'atau fevahevahe'aki,koe felafoaki pe mo'oni mo etau 'uhinga ka'oku te'eki taimi ia ke tala kakato mai ai hota hingoa 'e taha ' sh'
 
Faifekau, kataki 'o fakafaikehekehe'i 'a e fakakohukohu moe kohu. Tuku pe 'e koe 'a Maama ke tau'ataaina he ne 'osi foaki kakato 'a e tau'ataaina ia. Maama, 'oua na'a mole ho'o tau'ataaina 'au. Taufale koe ki he lahi taha te ke ala lava. Malo toko e taufale.
 
TNiu.

Tevita Langi

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Ti-Niu tuku aa e fakapiko mo e fakahela - na'u ma'u ko e mo ho'o sisu gay 'o fakatou kinisi e
 
'ofa mo e lotu
tlangi

Maama Tupa

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Maama,ko'etau tipeiti pe hange pe ha'atau fevahevahe'aki,koe felafoaki pe mo'oni mo etau 'uhinga ka'oku te'eki taimi ia ke tala kakato mai ai hota hingoa 'e taha ' sh'
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Pasta malo 'etau lava,
    I think i did spell it out loud and clear..how dare u ar faifekau people to call my Lord and Saviour that he was gay. its only your personal assumptions and keep it to yourself..to be realistic u ar not preaching that message from da pulpit of your own church.... cuase u know what will happen 2 u guys u gonna end up at leimatu'a and nukunuku ngaahi niu again...why bother to argue that way here u know that u ar denying your ordination vows ohhhhhhh my God.  tis is not a theologicla discussion forum for theologians people only,,, different people like me ar receiving your fie tika arguemnt and we wonder what kind of faifekau is tis...thats why i said before na'a 'oku 'i ai ha me'a 'oku fehalaaki moe kau faifekau heni 'oku mou fu'u pehe fau ai kia Sisu kihe anga ho'o mou fk'uhinga na'e gay 'a Sisu tapu mo ia... u free to disagree with me but i'm a very critical person and don't fkpo'uli he he he.....'e faifai atu pe pea tuku e potu'i huo kake putu'i huo he he he.....'oua 'e kohu...
Tniu sorry for my previous commentt kae mahalo 'oku saii ange ia 'i ho'o mou me'a ko 'ena 'oku fai kia Sisu...ka 'oku mo'oni 'a Mosese nukunuku ko ho'o 'ita ai ko ho'o mou pulu koe hoosi pe ia 'eku ongo matu'a ha ha ha ha....... tuku e kohu as i said above to the pasta don't fkpo'uli eeee....
maama  

 

ke...@post.com

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Malie tama. Ha'u pe koe 'sh' 'o lomilomi'i mai e ki'i fo'i laine pe 'e taha. Ta ko e ki'i fo'i laine 'e taha ia ko ia te ne 'omi 'e ia ia 'a e palakalafi ee. Ko e "laine mana" eni he lau 'a e ni'ihi. Toe toatu e hu mai ia 'a Maama, lea'i hangatonu e ngaahi fehalaaki e kau faifekau. Ko e fa'ahinga eni 'oku pehe 'e he kau fale'i 'o e ako fakafaifekau 'oku masivesiva ke tau to e ma'u he ngaahi 'aho ni. Mahu'inga 'aupito e ngaahi le'o fakapalofita. Malie tama pea malie 'aupito.
 
ko 'eku fakaheleleu pe 'aku,
loke
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pas...@genesischurch.org

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MAAMA,
 
Fakamalo atu 'ihe koloa kuo ke foaki mai, kuo ou ako mei ai e me'a lahi, pea 'ikai koia pe kae hangee pe 'oku ta vaofi ange ho'o fakamahino mai 'ae 'uhinga ho hingoa fakapapalangi.Kuo 'ikai teu toe ngaue'aki e putu-'i-huo,he kuo fai e 'ofa ia he kau gay/lesbian moha toe kakai pe 'e tukuhifo 'ehe sosaieti ki lalo.Kuo fai hono malanga'aki, pea kuo te hoko koe Palesiteni 'oe kulupu Pacific Islands G/L Group 'i San Fransisco,pea 'oku 'ikai toe fakapulipuli'i 'a 'eku tu'u he tafa'aki 'oe kakai ko'eni.Ko ia 'oku ou fakaafe'i koe keke me'a mai 'oke putu'i au 'iha fa'ahinga taimi pe,he koho'o Lord and Saviour ko ena na'e lau Koe Lord and Saviour tatau pe 'oku tu'unga ai 'eku fie putu ni.
 
Koho'o maau pe keke me'a mai pea ke fakaha mai ke 'oatu hoku tu'asila telia na'a ke toe hela hono kumi au.Teke 'ohovale ha'o sio mai 'oku mau tu'u tokolahi atu moe kau Gay pea ke 'ilo pe koho mau malohinga 'ae tau lau. 'Oku fai e 'ofa atu kiate koe MAAMA. sh


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kolo

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TNiu kataki koe fie'ilo pe eni ia mei tu'a pe ko ho'o fakatalanoa ki
he FA'U mei he efu'i kelekele ''ae sino 'o ui koe tangata moe fefine
pe koe 'ULUNGAANGA 'oe sino koia 'oku ui koe tangata moe fefine.'Ai
mai ke kehekehe kae ifo 'e mau lau fakalongolongo.

Malo moe 'ofa,
Kolo

Sisitoutai Taufa

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Kau Tangata�iki,
Kole fakamolemole atu,fai mu� ho�mou feme�aki pea �ua mu� na� ngalo kuo
tau fili ke tau fakataha mai ki hotau �pi fo�u ko eni ke ohi ai
kitautolu ki ha fa�hinga �lungaanga fo�u ange � kehe ia mei he ngaahi
feohi�nga kehe,ko e taumu� fisifismu� � e loki ko e fe�nasi�ki he mo�i
faka-Sisu Kalasisi,�ku �ai e fekataki�ki mo e fe�fa�ki fakatautehina.
Kae tuku atu e si� e kataki mo e fakatamaiki vale,he �ku �kai fie
fanonmgo atu ha taha ia ki ai,pa �ku fakamole hoto taim,i hono lau hifo
e ngaahi me� �ku �kai fai ha tupu,ko e ki� tapa atu pe mei kau lautohi
fakalongolongo,ka �ku kei fai pe �fa atu kiate kimoutolu Sisi T.

Sione M. Veituna

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ihe maama 'o e fetukuaki ko eni ....hange kiate au 'oku ikai ko e me'a/pe fehu'i .. pea koe ha me'a 'oku ou lava, ....ko e fehu'i.... ko e ha 'a e me'a 'oku 'ikai ke u lava.. pee ikai.....??

Ma'ananga

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pas...@genesischurch.org wrote:
> MAAMA,
>  Fakamalo atu 'ihe koloa kuo ke foaki mai, kuo ou ako mei ai e me'a lahi, pea 'ikai koia pe kae hangee pe 'oku ta vaofi ange ho'o fakamahino mai 'ae 'uhinga ho hingoa fakapapalangi.Kuo 'ikai teu toe ngaue'aki e putu-'i-huo,he kuo fai e 'ofa ia he kau gay/lesbian moha toe kakai pe 'e tukuhifo 'ehe sosaieti ki lalo.Kuo fai hono malanga'aki, pea kuo te hoko koe Palesiteni 'oe kulupu Pacific Islands G/L Group 'i San Fransisco,pea 'oku 'ikai toe fakapulipuli'i 'a 'eku tu'u he tafa'aki 'oe kakai ko'eni.Ko ia 'oku ou fakaafe'i koe keke me'a mai 'oke putu'i au 'iha fa'ahinga taimi pe,he koho'o Lord and Saviour ko ena na'e lau Koe Lord and Saviour tatau pe 'oku tu'unga ai 'eku fie putu ni.
>  Koho'o maau pe keke me'a mai pea ke fakaha mai ke 'oatu hoku tu'asila telia na'a ke toe hela hono kumi au.Teke 'ohovale ha'o sio mai 'oku mau tu'u tokolahi atu moe kau Gay pea ke 'ilo pe koho mau malohinga 'ae tau lau. 'Oku fai e 'ofa atu kiate koe MAAMA. sh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Maama Tupa" <maam...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2010 7:45pm
> To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Re: [tasilisili] Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Was Historical Jesus Gay?

> Pasta malo 'etau lava,
>    I think i did spell it out loud and clear..how dare u ar faifekau people to call my Lord and Saviour that he was gay. its only your personal assumptions and keep it to yourself..to be realistic u ar not preaching that message from da pulpit of your own church.... cuase u know what will happen 2 u guys u gonna end up at leimatu'a and nukunuku ngaahi niu again...why bother to argue that way here u know that u ar denying your ordination vows ohhhhhhh my God.  tis is not a theologicla discussion forum for theologians people only,,, different people like me ar receiving your fie tika arguemnt and we wonder what kind of faifekau is tis...thats why i said before na'a 'oku 'i ai ha me'a 'oku fehalaaki moe kau faifekau heni 'oku mou fu'u pehe fau ai kia Sisu kihe anga ho'o mou fk'uhinga na'e gay 'a Sisu tapu mo ia... u free to disagree with me but i'm a very critical person and don't fkpo'uli he he he.....'e faifai atu pe pea tuku e potu'i huo kake putu'i huo he he he.....'oua 'e kohu...
> Tniu sorry for my previous commentt kae mahalo 'oku saii ange ia 'i ho'o mou me'a ko 'ena 'oku fai kia Sisu...ka 'oku mo'oni 'a Mosese nukunuku ko ho'o 'ita ai ko ho'o mou pulu koe hoosi pe ia 'eku ongo matu'a ha ha ha ha....... tuku e kohu as i said above to the pasta don't fkpo'uli eeee....
> maama 
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Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 2:06:57 PM
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Kau Tangataéiki,
Kole fakamolemole atu,fai muá hoómou femeáaki pea óua muá naá ngalo kuo tau fili ke tau fakataha mai ki hotau ápi foóu ko eni ke ohi ai kitautolu ki ha faáhinga úlungaanga foóu ange ó kehe ia mei he ngaahi feohiánga kehe,ko e taumuá fisifismuá ó e loki ko e feínasiáki he moúi faka-Sisu Kalasisi,óku íai e fekatakiáki mo e feófaáki fakatautehina.
Kae tuku atu e sií e kataki mo e fakatamaiki vale,he óku íkai fie fanonmgo atu ha taha ia ki ai,pa óku fakamole hoto taim,i hono lau hifo e ngaahi meá óku íkai fai ha tupu,ko e kií tapa atu pe mei kau lautohi fakalongolongo,ka óku kei fai pe ófa atu kiate kimoutolu Sisi T.


david niu

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Kau Tangataéiki,
Kole fakamolemole atu,fai muá hoómou femeáaki pea óua muá naá ngalo kuo tau fili ke tau fakataha mai ki hotau ápi foóu ko eni ke ohi ai kitautolu ki ha faáhinga úlungaanga foóu ange ó kehe ia mei he ngaahi feohiánga kehe,ko e taumuá fisifismuá ó e loki ko e feínasiáki he moúi faka-Sisu Kalasisi,óku íai e fekatakiáki mo e feófaáki fakatautehina.
Kae tuku atu e sií e kataki mo e fakatamaiki vale,he óku íkai fie fanonmgo atu ha taha ia ki ai,pa óku fakamole hoto taim,i hono lau hifo e ngaahi meá óku íkai fai ha tupu,ko e kií tapa atu pe mei kau lautohi fakalongolongo,ka óku kei fai pe ófa atu kiate kimoutolu Sisi T.
 
Fakamolemole atu Faifekau. Toe ki'i tuku mai pe mu'a ha faingamalie ke toe fai ha sio ki he laiseni, na'a 'oku mo'oni e lea 'a e finemotu'a, vakai atu e laiseni na'a ko ha laiseni fua siaine ena ia. Fakamolemole atu......'e fai ha ki'i manava mo toe siosio holo.
 
Ofa moe hufia,
TNiu.

Touhuni Hala Puopua

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Malo e fakatokanga Faifekau.  Ko e koloa ho'o lava mai mo kei enginaki kimautolu he loki ni he neongo 'etau kehekehe 'i he to'onga fakakaukau mo e to'onga fakafotunga, ka 'oku mahu'inga ho'o toe fakamanatu mai e taumu'a, mo e fiema'u ke tau fekataki'aki mo fe'ofa'aki, he ko e hili angee, 'oku mahu'inga ange e me'a 'oku ne falute kitautolu, 'ofa 'a Kalaisi, 'i he ngaahi me'a 'oku ne fakakehekehe'i mo vahevahe'i kitautolu.
 
'Ofa atu,
Uani.

david niu

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On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Maama Tupa <maam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Tniu sorry for my previous commentt ...ka 'oku mo'oni 'a Mosese nukunuku ko ho'o 'ita ai ko ho'o mou pulu koe hoosi pe ia 'eku ongo matu'a ha ha ha ha....... tuku e kohu as i said above to the pasta don't fkpo'uli eeee....
maama  
 
Maama, 'e tautea fefeka 'aupito koe ko e fakatupu moveuveu. Na'a ku faka'ataa atu koe ke ke taufale ka na'e 'ikai ke u 'uhinga atu ke ke taufale'i ai mo au. Taufale'i pe 'a e kautama kehe 'oua te u kau au he taufale. Hangee ia na'a ta 'iate mo koe pea u fakata'evahe'i koee he anga ho'o taufale. Talitali pe hena te u ki'i poaki atu te u lele 'o faka'osi e ki'i fo'i 'iate kau toki foki mai ke 'oatu ho tautea. Teuteu mo ho'o ualeta ke fonu ko e taimi 'e 'alu atu ai e tautea kuo ke 'osi maau pe. Ta toki sio eee.
 
TNiu.  

penisimani mone

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2010/8/4 Touhuni Hala Puopua <tou...@hotmail.com>

Malo e fakatokanga Faifekau.  Ko e koloa ho'o lava mai mo kei enginaki kimautolu he loki ni he neongo 'etau kehekehe 'i he to'onga fakakaukau mo e to'onga fakafotunga, ka 'oku mahu'inga ho'o toe fakamanatu mai e taumu'a, mo e fiema'u ke tau fekataki'aki mo fe'ofa'aki, he ko e hili angee, 'oku mahu'inga ange e me'a 'oku ne falute kitautolu, 'ofa 'a Kalaisi, 'i he ngaahi me'a 'oku ne fakakehekehe'i mo vahevahe'i kitautolu.
 
'Ofa atu,
Uani.
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Malo Sisi e tataki, pea malo Tniu e faka'apa'apa, malo Uani e fakafofonga mai si'i kau fafinee, ko tautolu pe eni pea malo kuo 'i ai hatau 'api tonu ke tau fa'a maalooloo mai ki ai 'o talanoa lelei ai mo tuukuhua fakafe'unga pe...kuo 'i ai pe ha ngaahi 'api kehe he netii 'oku fai ai e ngaahi talanoa kalasi kehekehe, kau kei lata ange pe 'i 'api ni tokua "...ke tau fekataki'aki mo fe'ofa'aki, he ko e hili angee, 'oku mahu'inga ange e me'a 'oku ne falute kitautolu, 'ofa 'a Kalaisi, 'i he ngaahi me'a 'oku ne fakakehekehe'i mo vahevahe'i kitautolu."
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fakapulia

Lief Fungalei

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Maama sai pe argue, kae 'ouaa 'e toe fkmatalili mo lau ki 'api ee. kei tu'u pe hono leta'i koee
lief
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Maama Tupa

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Fakamalo atu 'ihe koloa kuo ke foaki mai, kuo ou ako mei ai e me'a lahi, pea 'ikai koia pe kae hangee pe 'oku ta vaofi ange ho'o fakamahino mai 'ae 'uhinga ho hingoa fakapapalangi.Kuo 'ikai teu toe ngaue'aki e putu-'i-huo,he kuo fai e 'ofa ia he kau gay/lesbian moha toe kakai pe 'e tukuhifo 'ehe sosaieti ki lalo.Kuo fai hono malanga'aki, pea kuo te hoko koe Palesiteni 'oe kulupu Pacific Islands G/L Group 'i San Fransisco,pea 'oku 'ikai toe fakapulipuli'i 'a 'eku tu'u he tafa'aki 'oe kakai ko'eni.sh
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good on u mate
Sifa tis is not my arguemnt no one hate them da gay people. kataki fk'ata ange ia meihe talanoa ni he ne lave ki ai 'a lief mo maananga kihe lau 'a 7'i me'a....I understand that Jesus can be da saviour for everyone include the gay people i'm not denying that. But when a faifekau say that Jesus was gay there is something absolutelyyy wrong with him/her about their witness and testimony according to da Holy Scripture. you should consider me as one of your congregation looking forward to work together with gay people within a christology that Jesus is da Messiah da Son of God not Jesus da gay.  kau faifekau u better watch out wht is coming out from your mouth whether here there everywhere he 'e mo'oni e lau 'a Uho 'o Vv kihe malnga 'i Fairfield 'ae tngata Leimatu'a he 'enau kau folau mai ki heni 2007 sio kihe fkma 'alu 'o 'oho he vao mo ho kola.......ha ha ha 
maama   

 

Maafu Palu

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Si''oku ngaahi tokoua faifekau, 'oku ou poupou atu ki he lau 'a Maama,
he kaveinga ni. ('Oua mu'a na'a tau siolalo ki ha taha koe'uhi he 'oku
'ikai ko ha faifekau, pe na'e 'ikai akoteolosia, pe koe'uhi ko hono
ta'umotu'a). Ko e fatongia 'o e faifekau ke malanga'aki 'a e Tohitapu.
Pea 'oku 'ikai te u 'ilo pe ko e toe kupu fee ia 'o e Tohitapu 'oku
ta'emahino 'ene lea fefeka ki he kovi 'a e fakasotoma.

Mo'oni 'oku ai e ngaahi kupu 'o e Tohitapu 'oku faingata'a ke mahino, ka
'oku 'ikai ke kau ai 'a e fakahinohino ia ki he kovi 'o e fakasotoma.
'Oku 'ikai fiema'u ia ke te 'ilo Hepelu mo e Kalisi kae toki mahino.
'Oku tekefili hange ko Kao 'ene mahino 'i he ngaahi potu tohi kuo lave
atu ki ai e talanoa ni kimu'a.

'Oku 'ikai 'uhinga ia 'oku tau fehi'a ki he kau Gay/Lesbians. Pea 'oku
'ikai 'uhinga ia 'e 'ikai hanau faingamalie ki he mo'ui ta'engata. Ka
'oku 'uhinga ia, kuo pau ke nau fakatomala mei he mo'ui fakalusa, 'o nau
tuku ke fufulu kinautolu mo e fakaului mo fakatapui fakataha mo e kau
fakasotoma na'e 'i he Siasi 'i Kolinito, he ta'ata'a 'o e 'Eiki ko Sisu
Kalaisi. Koe'uhi kae ai hanau tofi'a 'i he Pule'anga 'o e 'Otua (1 Kol.
6:9-11). 'I he vakai 'a e tangata 'e 'ikai malava, ka ki he 'Otua, 'oku
'ikai ha me'a 'e ta'emalava he kuo ne foaki mai hono 'Alo ke pekia.

Na'e 'ikai ke Gay 'a Sisu. He kapau na'e Gay 'e 'ikai lava 'i he'ene
pekia ke fakamolemole ai 'eku angahala, he ko e mate pe ia 'a e tangata
angahala 'e taha 'okitautolu. Ka na'e pekia 'a Sisu ko e tonuhia ma'ae
kakai kotoa pe 'o kau ai 'a e kau Gay/Lesbians ke ma'u ai 'a e
fakatomala ki he fakamolemole angahala 'o taumu'a ki he mo'ui ta'engata
(Lk. 24:44-49).

Malo e feinga 'oku fai 'e Faifekau SH ke tu'u fakataha mo e kau
Gay/Lesbians. Ka 'oku 'ikai ko e ngata'anga ia 'etau ngaue fakafaifekau.
Ko ho'o tu'u fakataha kae 'ikai te ke talaki e fakatomala ki he
fakamolemole angahala 'oku ma'u 'i he ta'ata'a 'o Sisu, ko ho'o
ta'e'ofa lahi ia ki he Gay/Lesbians.

'Oku ou kei hufia pe koe TNiu pea mo kimoutolu si'oku ngaahi tokoua
faifekau 'oku mou afe ki he tuihala ko eni 'o kau kia Sisu mo e Tohitapu
hei'ilo na'a 'alo'ofa 'a e 'Eiki 'i he'ene meesi 'o fakafoki kimoutolu
kia Hala mo Mo'oni mo Mo'ui (Sione 14:6).

'Oku 'ikai ko ha tipeiti eni ia pe ko hai 'oku 'atamai malohi ange mo
'uhinga malie. Fakamolemole atu, 'oku mole ai hotau taimi. Ko e
malanga'i eni 'o e Mo'oni 'o Sisu Kalaisi 'o e Tohitapu, 'a ee 'e
makatu'unga 'i hono huafa mo 'ene pekia 'etau ma'u 'e mo'ui ta'engata.

Si'oto'ofaatu.

Sione M. Veituna

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malo ma'afu,

malo maama mo sifa ko ene toki pa'ipi 'ene, 'e ha DNiu, tau hiki aa he kuo melie hotau efe

fefe kau fokotu'u atu eni mei he lotofale 'o e Teolosia FakaUesiliana ke tau lavelave

Ko e Ma'oni'oni Haohaoa he Tohitapu ihe lau 'a Uesile,... ke tau kii talanoa ma'oni'oni he 'oku kii lahilahi etau talanoa angahala

ofa pe te mou lukuluku mai ki ai kau fokotu'u atu ha tepile fo'ou ki ai osi eni

Ma'ananga


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Sione M. Veituna

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malo ma'afu,

malo maama mo sifa ko ene toki pa'ipi 'ene, 'e ha DNiu, tau hiki aa he kuo melie hotau efe

fefe kau fokotu'u atu eni mei he lotofale 'o e Teolosia FakaUesiliana ke tau lavelave

Ko e Ma'oni'oni Haohaoa he Tohitapu ihe lau 'a Uesile,... ke tau kii talanoa ma'oni'oni he 'oku kii lahilahi etau talanoa angahala

ofa pe te mou lukuluku mai ki ai kau fokotu'u atu ha tepile fo'ou ki ai osi eni

Ma'ananga

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Militoni A Finau

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Malo faifekau e fakakoloa mo e tokoni ki he 'e tau fononga. Mo e 'ofa,
Militoni A Finau.

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Talakai Finau

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Ko e fa'ahinga mafana makehe ko ee na'e ma'u 'e he masi'i ko Uesi he fakahinohino ki he Tohi Loma koaa, Faifekau--'oku tau hoholi ko kikivi ki ai!  Seuke!  ongo'i kuo fakamolemole si'ete angahala, uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhh laalaa!!!  'Ikai ngata ai, kae 'osi 'ete kohu mo e kukuta na'a te paa ka te ongo'i mo'oni 'oku te 'ofa ki he taha kotoa pe.  Ko e ma'oni'oni nai ia?  Ka ko e fee 'a e ma'oni'oni ia na'e fokotu'u kalapu ai 'i Oxford pea 'unu'unu atu e kau tama mo e nge'esi 'o e lotu 'o kumi ekinaki?  'Isa, liu mei 'Amelika lahi mo hono ngaahi ta'au, ngata hono poto mo e 'ikai kae ma'u 'a e mafana 'o fakamo'oni loto--Christ Alone!!!  Ta na'e 'i mu'a pe 'a Kelesi, pea kuo te Tonuhia 'ia Kelesi, pea 'oku kei faifio ni 'a Kelesi ki he iku'anga---
 
Ko e me'a 'eni ia 'oku ui ko e fakaninimo mo e kaunoa'ia...  ke langilangi'ia aipe hotau 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi, tkf
 

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Sione M. Veituna

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sii talakai,

kapau oku lafi mafana pehe pe ho'o fakaninimo, huanoa ka kaunoa'ia.mai mo maama mo tniu ee... lol.... malo pea malie e kamata mai talakai... smv


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Sam Pakofe

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Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Was Historical Jesus Gay?
 
 Ko e kakai ko eni 'oku nau lotu pe ki he 'Otua 'oku tau lotu ki ai. "oku nau tui pe kia Sisuu tatau pe 'oku tau tui ki ai. Ko hono faikehekehe, he 'oku talaatu 'e he'etau kau lotu 'atautolu, "ikai ko Sisuu 'Aavanga ena ia 'oku mou lotu ki ai." tupu ai e ta'elotu 'a e fa'ahinga tokolahi, ko e 'uhii 'oku 'ikai "faka'ataa" 'e he sosaieti ke nau lotu ki he 'Eiki tatau pe mo ia 'oku tau lotu ki ai.   
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 Konga malie 'eni masi'i  Ti-Niu 'oku ke lave kiai, pea koe mo'oni lahi iaa,,, he 'oku hange pe ia ko'eku fa'a talanoa koee moe kau Lotu he Faikava, ko'enau ongo'ii pe Koe 'oku ki'i kamata kemau too atu 'emau potalanoa kuo nau pehee mai nautolu ,, " 'alu mu'a 'o kau kiha Siasi " ,koe taimi fakaoli ia,,, Tokua ko'enau pehee ( Fakakaukau),  kokinautolu pe koee 'oku kau kihe Siasi pea "OKU NGOFUA KENAU TALANOA KIA SISU ;;; hihihiiiiii, koe Fakaoli atu ee , peau toe pehee atu, " Koe 'ai mai ho'o mou kau he Siasi, he 'oku mou fai e me'a 'ae " SIASI " , ihihihihiii ,,
 
'oku malie me'a oku ke lave kiai , Ti-Niu, koe 'uhi he oku ou nofo ma'u pe 'o Fakakaukau, pe 'oku anga fefee nai 'ae Fakakaukau mai 'ae Kau homo kiakitautolu koee kau " LOtu ' pe koe LOto Siasi".
 
Oku malie lahi ia, koe 'uhi, he oku tau sio atu kiatutolu 'o 'ilo'ii tokua koe Fakasotoma eee, Ka 'oku 'ikai teu 'ilo'i pe koe haa 'enau ui mai kihe kakai LOtu , mahalo pe 'oku nau pehee " Kau Lotu Mo'oni eee , hahahahaaa.
 
Tafa'aki malie ia, he 'oku ou tui ,, 'oku 'ikai ko'etau mavahevahe ihe "Ulungaanga" koee 'oku tau mo'ua ai he mo'ui ni, ka koe me'a oku ne hanga 'o fakamavahevahe kiatutolu koe " ki'i-faka'uhinga fakaetangta pe , pe koe Tokateline hono ui , koia koaaa Ti-Niu,, tokanga'ii ta tau ha fu'u taa 'ia ta ua eee..
 
 
Oku mahino kiate au, koe " homo " 'oku 'ikai taau 'ae HOMO moe KOSIPELI , koe me'a koee 'oku ou kau au ia ai he Talanoa he Kaveinga ni,,, KOE HA KOAA 'ATAUTOLU 'E FAI ?
 
Na'a koe founga lelei ee ketau Fai ke liliu'aki kinautolu, koe " TUKUANGE ha'a nau Faingamalie, kenau KAU MAI he Malanga'i mo Tu'uaki e Folofola,, Faka'inasi 'aki nautolu e ngaahi ngaue 'ae Siasi,, PEA kuou tui masi'i Ti-Niu, 'evave 'e tau sio kihono "Ola" kapau koe LOtu koe me'a 'oku " MA'ONI'ONI '..
 
koe anga pe fakatalanoa  .
 
sami...

 

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Ma'ananga, 'oku ou poupou fefeka atu ,mahalo 'e 'ikai lava ke hao atu e kau angahala ia kihe tepile talanoa ma'oni'oni. Ka 'oku fakafiefia koe 'asi mai e HAO-HAO-A 'oku ngali inclusive 'ekau ai e faifekau,falesi gay ,lesbian..koe okooko atu pe khe fokotu'u fo'ou.sh.

penisimani mone

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Sikei:
Malo 'Atamai mo T Niu, ko 'etau fetokoni'aki pe foki 'eni he fu'u hala 'oku tau fononga ai ki 'api. Ka ko e kau pikoloa kotoa pe (hufanga atu pe). Tau faka'amu pe ke tau a'u atu ki he toumui, kuo pehe mai 'a hotau taki, "Kau piko, kau piko fakaha hifo ho mou va'epiko, pe ko hai 'ia kimoutolu 'oku piko si'isi'iiii...".
Ka e malo pe 'a e tau mo e kei fie potalanoa mai. 'ofa atu mo e hufia ai pe 'a e kau pikoloa.
sikei
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 Sami:
Sikei, malie lau maau .........ka koe fakaoli atu ia, ha a'u atu ia kiai , kuo fai e fakahaa va'e piko ia, koe kalasi ia ne nau  pehee 'oku 'ikai tenau va'e piko, kuo piko iaa eeee, hahahaaa.
 malo mu'a sikei e tau mo Tonga na...
 sami.
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Kataki pe Sikei mo Sami hono hiki holo ho'omo faikavaa, ka 'oku ou tui ko e palepale totonu nai eni ke tau lavelave ai mo Ma'ananga ki ho'omo fehu'ii - Ka ko e haa leva 'etau lau kiate kitautoluu? kae 'ataa atu 'a J ia mo 'ene palepalee - Ko e haa 'etau lau ki he gays mo e lesbians? 'oku tokoni ia kiate au ke fakafaikehekehe'i pe 'a e tokateline tohitapuu /siasii ke maau ia mo tonu 'o tuku ia ki hee, ka mou toki lavelave ki he tokateline 'o e tangataa/fakamo'ui/haohaoaa heni, na kehekehe pe mahalo, he ko hono fa'a alea'i fakataha 'a e mo'oni 'a e tohitapuu mo e 'ikai ala mo'oni 'a e tangataa 'e tokaange ha taha te ne piko'i 'a e taha.
 
Sai, ko e haa leva 'etau lau kiate kitautoluu; tangata, fefine, lotufehu'i, faifekau, siasi, ta'esiasi, gay, lesbian, etc? 'Oku 'i ai nai ha taha 'oku ne pehee 'e ia kuo saisai ange ia, pe 'oku mo'oni koe Sami mo Sikei, ko e ngaofee ai pe? 'Oku anga feefee ai Ma'ananga ha talanoa faka'amanaki ki ha maa'oni'oni/haohaoa 'a Uesilee ki he fa'ahinga 'o e tangataa, kae 'osi angee, na'a ko e "nike" aipe?
--
fakapulia

David Ofahengaue

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Faifekau, malo 'a 'etau toe lava ki he 'aho ni. Me'a fakafi'efia mooni koe 'iai ha me'a ke fai ai ha talanoa. Me'a pango 'oku 'iai 'a e taimi 'e taha kuo ta'u liaki 'a 'etau teolosia koe 'uhi koetau kainga kiha faahinga kulupu pea molea ai 'a  hotau fakahinohino. Neu ma'u faingamalie he mahina 'e taha 'ou ma'u lotu 'ihe ngaahi siasi kehekehe. Koe me'a neu ma'u mei heni koe ngaahi siasi 'oku tupu tokolahi mo vave 'i 'Amelika ni. Koe anga pe 'eni 'eku aofangatuku moe fakamatala 'a e kau faifekau 'oe ngaahi siasi ko'ia. Koe mo'ui haohaoa 'oku nau feinga kiai pea koe meimei kotoa honau siasi 'oku nau kaveinga'aki 'a e mo'ui haohaoa moe tohitapu. Ko amelika ni koe tokolahi 'oku laka hake 'ihe 370 miliona meimei laka 'ihe peseti 'e 80 'oku 'iai 'e nau 'ilo moe manatu ki he lelei 'oe metotisi he fonua ni. Fakafuofua ki homau tokolahi mahalo koe 11 miliona pe 'i amelika. Koe toko 300 miliona 'oku nau 'ilo'i 'a e metotisi mo hono lelei. Koeha 'a e uhinga, kuo tau liaki 'a etau teolosia kihe papitaiso 'aia 'oku nau meimei 16 miliona 'ihe fonua ni. pea moe ngaahi siasi kehekehe 'oku nau ngaue'aki 'a e lelei na'a tau ma'u ka kuo tau situ'a mei ai. 'Oua 'e liaki 'a etau teolosia.......do


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Saikolone Taufa

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Veituna, 'oleva ho'o tatau 'etau faikava he 'oku te'eki ke melie hotau efee, pea ko'eni 'oku mau kei 'a pe 'o inu mo fanongo talanoa, pea ke talasi'i ke 'oleva ke lava e teu fuhu 'a Maama mo Sifa. Pea 'oange mu'a ha faingamalie 'o Sifa kene toe fakaavaava mai e 'u matapaa ke mahino 'oku 'ikai taha pe 'ae 'u ma'uu, 'iloo moe mahinoo ki he me'a ni. Matamata he'ikai tetau lava ke fakapapau'i 'ae mo'oni tahaa ka tetau takitaha lava 'o fakapapau'i ('i he tokoni mai 'ae Laumalie) 'ae me'a 'e 'aongo, tokoni mo lelei kia kita pea moe mo'ui moe ngaue 'oku te faii. Moe 'ofa moe lotu. Lone

pas...@genesischurch.org

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Saikolone,kuo 'osi ava pe 'uu matapa ia "..koe poto kehekehe 'oku tau 'ata kiai..." ko kinautolu na'e tu'utu'uni 'ehe Tohitapu ke tautea mate kuo ava 'ae matapa ketau liliu ke 'oua 'e tamate'i e kakai koia, na'e tu'utu'uni 'ehe Siasi ke 'oua 'e faifekau ha taha mali vete,kuo ataa ia he taimi ni Na'e iai e lau e Tohitapu kihe kakai 'uli'uli,pea tupu ai e laulanu 'i Afilika mo Amelika ni etc.kuo liliu ia, pea kuo mole e mo'ui 'ae kau gay/lesbian tokolahi ko 'enau hia 'oku 'ikai koe taa mali,pe koe li'aki e fanau 'i api kate 'ali kita 'o faikava,pe na'a nau hae ha pangike-ikai-,koe'uhi pe ko'enau gay.Kuo ava e matapa ke nau toe lava 'o sio mai kihe kakai koia 'oku tuhuange kenau tuhu hifo.
 
Fakafiefia e ongoongo 'oku ha'u,neu fu'u 'ohovale lahi he ma'u e hoa,ka kuo ava foki e matapaa.Pea tuku e fakamatalili  'oku 'ikai tema fuhu 'oku ma tau lau pea koe tu'u he taimi ni e malohi 'a Maama. 'Ofa lahi atu kihe famili,  kei taki aipe 'a Otara. sh.


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pas...@genesischurch.org

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Sam,
 
Malo 'aupito e fakamaama, pea 'oku ou ongo'i pe 'oku 'iai e me'a lahi 'oku tatau ai 'etau fakakaukau 'i he'etau fevahevahe'aki ni Pea 'e toe sai pe kapau 'e makehekehe.(we agree to disagree) Ka koe ki'i talanoa 'eni.
 
Na'e 'iai e ki'i Siasi Tonga heni na'a nau tu'u fefeka hono fakafepaki'i 'oe gay/lesbian,na'a nau 'ai e ngaahi sign moe poster etc pea nau tu'u he ve'ehala 'o kaikaila ke fakamahino 'ae kovi moe nunu'a oe gay/lesbian. Pea hili mai ha ngaahi mahina na'e fai e koniseti he 'api Siasi ko'eni pea faka'ohovale kuo fai e fuhu e kakai tangata pea tau lau 'a fafine, na'e toki omi pe kau Polisi 'o ta'ofi e fuhu ko'eni.Pea pongipongi 'e taha ,'asi mai he news paper pea lele he tv news.Koe headline
 "Na'e fuhu 'ae siasi koia na'a nau fakafepaki'i fefeka 'ae kovi 'oe gay/lesbian."
 
'Oku 'ikai teu 'ilo pe 'e ui 'ehe kau gay/lesbian 'ae kau kalisitiane ko 'eni koe ha??, 'Ofa atu kihe Saute.'Oku 'ikai teu 'ilo pe 'oku kei toe ha me'i vai he lepaa,kataki 'o fakafonu atu.
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Ma'afu Palu,
 
'Oku ou fakamalo atu 'ihe founga fakafotunga 'a ho'o tui moho'o fakakaukau 'ihe tepile ni,pea teu fai pehee mo au 'ihe faka'apa'apa moe toka'i.
 
'Oku 'ikai teu lave'i pe koe fou mei fe 'ae fakakaukau koia  (..'oku tau sio lalo kiha taha koe'uhii he 'oku 'ikai faifekau,pe na'e 'ikai ako teolosia pe koe'uhi kohono ta'u motu'a).Fakamolemole atu 'oku 'ikai ai ha fakakaukau pehe atu meihe loto vao ni.Ko 'etau felafoaki ni 'oku mau fai atu moe fakamahamahalo lahi.Ko 'eku ma'u'anga 'ilo koe sio pe homou ngaahi hingoa mo lau ho'omou ngaahi tohi pea fai ai e fakamahamahalo.,koe faifekau 'eni, koe toketa 'eni. Ko.eku lau hifo koee 'ae ngaahi tohi 'a Takamuli peau toki 'ilo ai ta koe 'oku lahi ia 'iate au.Ko Maama 'oku to'u ia mo Uho 'o Vava'u 'oku ou to'u au ki lalo 'aupito, pea 'oku faifekau he kau papalangi.Pea koe ki'i palafu atu 'a DNiu kohono matapule koe, koe sio pe he hingoa he kohono pule lahi 'aupito meihe kolo fakapo'uli koia ko Koulo. Pea 'oku 'ikai ke 'iai ha faingamalie ke fai ha sio lalo kiha taha,pea ka ma'u ai ha seniti e 'ikai toe laka ha taha 'iate au.
 
Malo 'aupito e malanga mai, 'oku ou koloa'ia ai' moe 'ofa lahi atu.sh.

Sione M. Veituna

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sh,

ko e anga pe fokotu'u he hange kuo mata melie e efe ko eni. na kuo taimi ke hiki e talanoa, ko e osi koee etau ngaahi anga, fefe hano unuaki e kakai (all kinds) ki he anga 'o e 'Otua, pe 'i hao hake aa sifa mo ho'o kulupu

ofa atu
Ma'ananga

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Ma'ananga, 'oku ou poupou fefeka atu ,mahalo 'e 'ikai lava ke hao atu e kau angahala ia kihe tepile talanoa ma'oni'oni. Ka 'oku fakafiefia koe 'asi mai e HAO-HAO-A 'oku ngali inclusive 'ekau ai e faifekau,falesi gay ,lesbian..koe okooko atu pe khe fokotu'u fo'ou.sh.

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malo ma'afu,

malo maama mo sifa ko ene toki pa'ipi 'ena, 'e ha DNiu, tau hiki aa he kuo melie hotau efe

Maama Tupa

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Sifa,Dniu,Takamuli,Maananga, moe kau faifekau,
  i apologise if my words have offended u faifekau people or da ladies Uani,daphne,Fatai.Or if i hurt a family whom they have a gay child... or anyone in this forum...'oku ou kole fkmolemole atu aii fkmolemole'i ange au he koe si'i..koe tu'unga pe fkhoha'a 'ia fktatau kihe nounou 'oe 'ilo kihe ''Eiki ko Sisu....ka 'oku kei kilukilua 'ene kelesi ke mo'ui ai 'ae taha kotoa pe he tui.
Tuku keu tatau atu 'aki 'ae my first experienced here in Aust in worshipping in a Tongan church. ta'u e 7 'eni mei ai he 'eku hiki mai mei US 'o ngaaue heni 'o mau nofo 'i Tempe close to my work place mascot airport.. koe faifekau evangelio mei Tonga na'e malanga he siasi Siaola he Sapate ko 'eni. ko 'ene kavienga malanga koe "Jesus is da mobile fone"..Hili 'ae malanga pea fai 'ae talitali pea lea ai 'ae setuata koe tangata'eiki ko Hilakitapana..... 'o pehe "faifekau ke 'ilo kapau na'a ko ho'o ha'u mei Leimatu'a pe ko Tefisi kuo li koe he matapa koee kitu'a" tapu moe koee...'ikai toe ha me'a laulaunoa ho'o mou ui 'aki 'a Sisu 'oku 'uhinga ai 'etau lotu...toe pe 'eni keke pehe mai ke 'ai 'a Sisu he katomui ee as a moblie fone.. ha ha ha ha
'ofa atu kihe fuafatongia sh moe kau faifekau mei hena i'm coming back to seattle nxt yr for 2yrs again.....kae takai mai aa si'oku fala..pea mou kataki he 'eku fkmatalili he koe ngutu'i fkleiti foki ha ha ha ha....
tu'a kae 'ofa lahi atu,,,
ni samote aa
MAAMA HE LOTU TUPA  

 

Maile Molitika

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Siosifa Hingano:
kohono pule lahi 'aupito meihe kolo fakapo'uli koia ko Koulo.
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Faifekau, malo e ngaue mai mei hena pea 'oku mahino pe ne mo ki'i takai mo Tavalu (Penisimani) ho'o 'ilo'i e fakapo'uli e kolo hehehehehe!! Ka kuo nau maama he ngaahi 'aho ni. Tatau pe mo Leimatu'a he kapau na'e 'ikai te ke afe mai, 'oku nau kei fakapo'uli atu pe. hehehehehhe!! Malo e fakakohukohu mai mei hena pea 'oku mau ako ai e me'a lahi.
 
'Ofa atu ki he pule ma'olunga pea mo e famili.
 
Maile
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ala sii maama he lotu tupa,

kataki fakamolemole o 'oua te ke sii alu, ko hono mo'oni, hala ha ofeni e taha, pe ko ho'o alu na ka ko hai e kei fakamaama hotau palepale, lepa heke holo pe hena he oku tau lelei ho'o fakamatalili ki he matu'a faifekau, pea ka ia ha faifekau ia e 'ita pea mahino oku gay ia. kae 'ai pe mo fakafuofua ho'o ngutu'i fakaleiti he 'oku 'ikai ke tau ngutu'i fakaleiti kotoa he sifa e mo dniu,  ka ke nofo mai he oku ifo 'etau lavelave, sio ki sifa e mo lone oku na talamai oku te'eki pe ke melie hotau ki'i efe, oku 'aonga pe ho'o fa'a tafulu'i 'e koe 'a Dniu he ko e masi'i 'ai me'a noa'ia pe ia (fola he kata) vita tuku e ita ko 'etau usuusu pe, malo ....ka mou tokanga hake ki he Ma'oni'oni Haohaoa..ke tau lele ua pe aaa.....koe ha kuo mou kai fakatekefili ai e gay kae ikai fie lea mai he ma'oni'oni, lol.

ofa atu
Ma'ananga


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Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:37:43 PM

Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Was Historical Jesus Gay?

sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Maama,

'Oku ou manatu ki he Kaveinga(Mobile)ngalo 'iate au e Faifekau, mahalo na'a manatu ki ai 'a Lief mo Sami ki he tangata'eiki Faifekau 'oku ke talanoa ki ai. Kapau na'e DNA'i pe ia 'e Hila 'e ma'u pe ia ki he ongo kolo na'e faka'apee ki ai ha ha ha.

Maama fakatauange ki he 'Eiki kene pukepuke ai pe Kitautolu ko'ene kau fakamo'oni 'i he ngaahi feitu'u kuo ne ui ketau ngaue aii.

Ko ho'o tau pe ki homou feitu'u pea ke kohi mai, pango kuo ke 'alu te'eki ketau faikava ee.

'ofa atu.
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> Maama Tupa <maam...@yahoo.com> wrote:

ko 'ene kavienga malanga koe "Jesus is da mobile fone"..Hili 'ae malanga pea fai 'ae

> talitali pea ea ai 'ae setuata koe tangata'eiki ko Hilakitapana..... 'o pehe

pas...@genesischurch.org

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MAAMA HE LOTU TUPA,
 
Ko 'ena teke me'a mai ki heni, pea 'oku fai atu e ki'i fakaafe ma'ulalo ko'eni keke me'a mai keta tu'o taha he 'e 'iai pe me'a lahi teu ako meiate koe pea 'e 'iai pe me'a teu fie talaloto atu meihe 'eku tui vaivai ni. Mahalo 'e fiefia ange pe 'a Sisu 'i hano fakatata ki ha me'a MO'UI neongo  ae sio 'ae tokolahi koe angahala, 'i hano fakatata IA kiha me'a mate MOBILE
 
'Oku 'ikai teu teitei tui au 'oku ke ngutu'i fakaleiti, teu ui ia 'e au koe tufunga lea,ko fakatouanga 'oku katokatoi ai 'ae ivi moe mafai pea ko'ene lave mai 'oku tufi 'a kinautolu 'oku nau mahino'i pea kafo 'a kinautolu oku ta'e  fie fanongo pea 'e Kelesi'ia a kinautolu 'oku kataki lahi.
 
'Oku ou fu'u fie fe'iloaki lahi mo koe 'i ha'o me'a mai, hange pe kuo ta maheni pea 'e fakalata mo fakalaumalie 'eta feohi.Hei'ilo na'a iku ange teta 'iha timi pe 'e taha ke fai e ngaue 'ae 'Eiki. Pea 'oku ou tomu'a kole fakamolemole atu pe ke 'oua mu'a na'a ke li au ki tu'a he ko'eku ha'u mei Leimatu'a. 'Oku ou "ofa lahi atu 'ofa pe ke fakaivia koe 'ehe 'Eiki 'ihe fefononga'aki 'oku teu ke fai'. sh


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pas...@genesischurch.org

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Ma'ananga, ko DNiu 'eni 'oku ki'i folau, pea ne kole mai keu lelelele atu he uikeni kae 'oua ke toki foki mai. Ha'u ia 'o faka paa e fo'i pulu pea 'alu ia kau lavelavea au. Teu paka atu au he ma'oni'oni 'o talitali kiha 'aho temou fou mai ai hoku malohinga  e  toutai. Teke 'ohovale ha'aku fakakalakalasi atu e ngaahi toutai 'o kamata pe he fakuka.
Kataki pe na'e ha e tau 'ae All Blacks mo Oz? mau fie fanongo news atu. sh


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ala sii maama he lotu tupa,

kataki fakamolemole o 'oua te ke sii alu, ko hono mo'oni, hala ha ofeni e taha, pe ko ho'o alu na ka ko hai e kei fakamaama hotau palepale, lepa heke holo pe hena he oku tau lelei ho'o fakamatalili ki he matu'a faifekau, pea ka ia ha faifekau ia e 'ita pea mahino oku gay ia. kae 'ai pe mo fakafuofua ho'o ngutu'i fakaleiti he 'oku 'ikai ke tau ngutu'i fakaleiti kotoa he sifa e mo dniu,  ka ke nofo mai he oku ifo 'etau lavelave, sio ki sifa e mo lone oku na talamai oku te'eki pe ke melie hotau ki'i efe, oku 'aonga pe ho'o fa'a tafulu'i 'e koe 'a Dniu he ko e masi'i 'ai me'a noa'ia pe ia (fola he kata) vita tuku e ita ko 'etau usuusu pe, malo ....ka mou tokanga hake ki he Ma'oni'oni Haohaoa..ke tau lele ua pe aaa.....koe ha kuo mou kai fakatekefili ai e gay kae ikai fie lea mai he ma'oni'oni, lol.

ofa atu
Ma'ananga


From: Maama Tupa <maam...@yahoo.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:37:43 PM
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Was Historical Jesus Gay?

Sifa,Dniu,Takamuli,Maananga, moe kau faifekau,
  i apologise if my words have offended u faifekau people or da ladies Uani,daphne,Fatai.Or if i hurt a family whom they have a gay child... or anyone in this forum...'oku ou kole fkmolemole atu aii fkmolemole'i ange au he koe si'i..koe tu'unga pe fkhoha'a 'ia fktatau kihe nounou 'oe 'ilo kihe ''Eiki ko Sisu....ka 'oku kei kilukilua 'ene kelesi ke mo'ui ai 'ae taha kotoa pe he tui.
Tuku keu tatau atu 'aki 'ae my first experienced here in Aust in worshipping in a Tongan church. ta'u e 7 'eni mei ai he 'eku hiki mai mei US 'o ngaaue heni 'o mau nofo 'i Tempe close to my work place mascot airport.. koe faifekau evangelio mei Tonga na'e malanga he siasi Siaola he Sapate ko 'eni. ko 'ene kavienga malanga koe "Jesus is da mobile fone"..Hili 'ae malanga pea fai 'ae talitali pea lea ai 'ae setuata koe tangata'eiki ko Hilakitapana..... 'o pehe "faifekau ke 'ilo kapau na'a ko ho'o ha'u mei Leimatu'a pe ko Tefisi kuo li koe he matapa koee kitu'a" tapu moe koee...'ikai toe ha me'a laulaunoa ho'o mou ui 'aki 'a Sisu 'oku 'uhinga ai 'etau lotu...toe pe 'eni keke pehe mai ke 'ai 'a Sisu he katomui ee as a moblie fone.. ha ha ha ha
'ofa atu kihe fuafatongia sh moe kau faifekau mei hena i'm coming back to seattle nxt yr for 2yrs again.....kae takai mai aa si'oku fala..pea mou kataki he 'eku fkmatalili he koe ngutu'i fkleiti foki ha ha ha ha....
tu'a kae 'ofa lahi atu,,,
ni samote aa
MAAMA HE LOTU TUPA  

 

pas...@genesischurch.org

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Maile fakamolemole atu, koe ki'i tele louniu ta koee teke fakatokanga'i 'e koe 'ae ki'i hamapato'o ko ia .sh


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Siosifa Hingano:
kohono pule lahi 'aupito meihe kolo fakapo'uli koia ko Koulo.
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Faifekau, malo e ngaue mai mei hena pea 'oku mahino pe ne mo ki'i takai mo Tavalu (Penisimani) ho'o 'ilo'i e fakapo'uli e kolo hehehehehe!! Ka kuo nau maama he ngaahi 'aho ni. Tatau pe mo Leimatu'a he kapau na'e 'ikai te ke afe mai, 'oku nau kei fakapo'uli atu pe. hehehehehhe!! Malo e fakakohukohu mai mei hena pea 'oku mau ako ai e me'a lahi.
 
'Ofa atu ki he pule ma'olunga pea mo e famili.
 
Maile
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Sam Pakofe

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Sent: Fri, 6 August, 2010 2:40:52 AM
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Ko e Ma'oni'oni Haohaoa he Tohitapu ihe lau 'a Uesile,.
Sai, ko e haa leva 'etau lau kiate kitautoluu; tangata, fefine, lotufehu'i, faifekau, siasi, ta'esiasi, gay, lesbian, etc? 'Oku 'i ai nai ha taha 'oku ne pehee 'e ia kuo saisai ange ia, pe 'oku mo'oni koe Sami mo Sikei, ko e ngaofee ai pe? 'Oku anga feefee ai Ma'ananga ha talanoa faka'amanaki ki ha maa'oni'oni/haohaoa 'a Uesilee ki he fa'ahinga 'o e tangataa, kae 'osi angee, na'a ko e "nike" aipe?
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Fakapulia , malo mu'a hono toe faofao lelei mai e Ongo Tafa'aki....... pea moe anga 'ae vakai kihe ongo Tafa'aki...... Kuo mahino 'eni 'oku 'iaia e kau ta'e haoahaoa eg. koe Gay&Les , moe kau haoahaoa eg.-   koe Kau Lotu .
 
Koau ia 'oku 'ikai teu haohaoa au ia ,,  pea teu lava pe 'e au IAA 'o toe pehe pe kuou  Haohaoa , he koau pe ia 'oku pule kia Au,
 
ka 'oku 'iai foki elau ia 'ae lotu-taauma'u tokua- 'oku 'ikai ha taha mo'ui ia 'e " Tonuhia ",  pe Haohaoa , koe  anga 'eku ki'i vakai faka'atamai vaivai atu kiai masi'i Fakapulia ..
 
Koe lau koee 'a'aku, "OKU 'IKAI TEU 'ILO'I 'E AU PE "ko hai 'oku haohaoa . he koe 'uhi he 'oku 'ikai teu haohaoa, koe me'a pe kuou "ilo'ii- na'e hifo mai 'a Sisu 'o Pekia ke " Fakamolemole'ii ai  'ae TOKOTAHA KOTOA PE , 'aia 'oku 'ikai ha taha ia 'e haohaoa,,,pea neongo kapau kuou tali 'a Sisu, ka he'ikai lava ai keu haohaoa ai au ,, kae 'oua leva pe kuou ------ a'u atu kihe ope 'o'ene 'Ofa ",,[ foki e efu kihe efu },,, kae Fononga atu e " Laumalie" kihe haohaoa ..
 
vakai ange kihe talanoa 'o Kinga Tevita ..
 
Koe talanoa 'o Tevita ( King ) he tohitapu, kuo laulau 'e ngaahi tohi 'he tohitapu oku nau lave kiai, pea kiate au leva mo'eku vakai , koe toki tangata anga fulikivanu lahi taha ia, ka 'oku lau ia koe " tokotaha " ne ofi 'aupito he "Otua..
 
Kapau koe fa'ahinga lau ia 'ae Tohitapu, ko Tevita koe tokotaha ne takaua mo Sihova, kae fakamatala'i 'ene anga-fai,,nonofo kovi, tamate lahi atu , kovi atu .......... mahalo kapau koe Tevita he kuonga ni,,,fuoloa  hono fana'ii.. kae hili koia  , kei lau pe 'eia IA koe haohaoa..
 
meimei puke au he talanoa kihe haohaoa,  koe 'uhi he 'oku 'ikai pe teu fanongo  au 'oku 'iai ha lotu 'aha taha 'e pehee " ''E 'Otua kokimautolu 'eni koe kau haohaoa 'iho 'ao ,,, 'ikai ....... kei fai aipe lotu , 'E 'Otua kokimautolu 'eni koe kau Angahala ,,,,,,, malie eee
 
Malie lahi ia Fakapulia, he ta koee Ko Kitautolu koe kau ANGAHALA , koe haa kuo fai ai e fakamvahevahe meihe kau Gay/Les 'ae kautama koee........ 'oku taau ke tuku kenau ( Gay/Les) 'unu mai ketau Lotu mo Nau malanga he koe Kau Angahala kotoa kitautolu moe kau ta'e haoahaoa-fakalaumalie kihe fofonga mai 'a Satai ..
 
  kataki pe Fakapulie , koe lavelave faka-lotovao pe 'eni..
 
 kake toki tokoni mai  .
 
sami.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

Lief Fungalei

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'ofa atu kihe fuafatongia sh moe kau faifekau mei hena i'm coming back to seattle nxt yr for 2yrs again.....kae takai mai aa si'oku fala..pea mou kataki he 'eku fkmatalili he koe ngutu'i fkleiti foki ha ha ha ha....tu'a kae 'ofa lahi atu,,,ni samote aa MAAMA HE LOTU TUPA
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Maama takai pe ho fala 'ou he homo 'o toe fofola mai ha loki 'e taha ke tau ki'i usu mo po lave ai... lolotonga 'e mau malie'ia ho'o hanga 'o ofongi 'ae kau fanongo kuo ke 'ai keke hiki koee.......ko ho'o taukei ko 'ena he faama pulukolo moe to talomeleni 'e 'aonga ia kihe talanoa ngoue ko 'eni ki Tonga..
ka ke hoko atu.... pea ke fkmatalili tokanga pe na'a li koe 'e taha ki tu'a eee
lief

Sam Pakofe

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Kataki pe na'aku tomui ke lau e tefito'i 'uhinga e kaveinga ni, ka kuou tui pe he'ikai mama'o 'eni mei ai..
 
Kuo fakakaukau ke fai ha Fakafehu'ii 'iatekitautolu pe koe HA E me'a e fai kihe kakai kuo ui 'oku 'ikai koe kau haohaoa ( hange koe lave 'a Fakapulia ).
 
1.Kuo mahino lelei koe kakai kuo fakamavahe'i meihe sosaiete koe kau " maumaulao " pe koe kakai 'oku 'ikai kenau tauhi haohaoa 'e lao 'ae Pule'anga pe koe lao ke malu'i 'aki e tau'ataina 'ae Sosaiete. [ KAU POPULA ]
 
2. 'Oku iai  moe kakai 'oku 'ikai Fakamavahe'ii ka 'oku 'ikai kenau " haohaoa " ihe nofo faka-momale 'ihe Sosaiete ... 'aia kuo fai mai ai e talanoa , koe kau "Homo" koaa , ihe lau moe sio 'ae kakai LOTU .. [ KAU FE'AUAKI, HOMO etc. ]
 
koe ha 'atautolu kau lotu 'e fai kiheni, ke malava kenau 'unu mai ai kihe LOto'aa ko'ena kuo mou ui koe LOto'aa 'oe haohaoa [ Siasi ]..
 
eg. Ihe 'api popula Long bay, kuou fakatokanga'i ma'u pe 'ae faifekau mosilemi 'oku ne 'iai he uike kotoa pe, lolotonga Koia 'oku 'iai pe kau ngaue Fakalaumalie 'ae Piliosne..
 'oku te'eki keu sio au ha taha Tonga ko'ene 'alu ange ke fai ha LOtu mo potalanoa Fakalaumalie moe si'i fanau pe kau Tonga 'oku nau 'iai ..
 
Koe fifili leva kapau 'oku 'ikai tetau lava ke 'a'ahi mo tokoni kihe tamaiki Tonga 'oku fakamavahe'i meihe Soasiete , 'e lava fefe ai ha'a tau Tokoni kihe kau muli koee 'oku nau Gay mo Les pe koe kau Homo kenau 'unu mai kihe haohaoa..
 
mahalo 'e au , koe me'a malie taha ia,,, koe haa koaa ha'a tautolu 'e fai ? pe na'aku tau tuhu holo pe kae 'ikai lava ha a'u kiai,,
 
'e maumau e lau 'a Uesilee mo Talai-lama mo hai fua 'o a'u kia " Sisu " , KA 'IKAI NGAUE - ke Fai ha Ngaaue kiai ?
 
Koe ngaue nai ia , 'ae ma'oni'oni ke 'au kihe kau faingata'ia , pe ko'enua ngaue koe tuhu holo pe mo tala e kovi 'aee moee ..
 
koe anga pe e vakai meihe tu'a/loto laini, mou kataki kapau kuo hala e vakai...
 
'aho la'a lelei 'eni, ka 'oku 'ii'iiii pe 'ae momoko.. koe me'a pe ke fai, koe pulupulu pe ha fu'u sipi moha ipu vai mafana ...mole ia 'i'iiii mo nininini...
 
sami.
 
 
 

 

Tuaniu Taveuni

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DNiu mo takamuli 'oku te laulau pe ngaahi okooko pea te manatu ai kita
ki he talaloto 'a e professor he na'e 'i he mo'ui 'oku taukave'i 'e
DNiu ne 'ave ia 'e he poto faka'atamai 'o ne pehe ko e lelei tahaa
'eni kae talunga mo 'ene fetaulaki mo hono 'Eiki pea to'oatu 'a e
angamotu'a ka kuo ne hoko 'o fo'ou. Ko e tokotaha ko 'eni 'oku ne kau
he kau professor 'oku ne ngaue he university 'oku ako ai e tokolahi 'o
'etau kau faifekau 'oku lava atu ke fakakakato 'enau ako 'i muli.

'Oku kei tukituki pe 'a e 'Eiki, he ko Ia 'oku 'o'ona 'a e taimi. 'Oku
Ne faka'amu ke 'inasi 'ene me'a fakatupu 'i hono 'imisi he foki ki
'api.

'ofa atu
ngaahi tokoua.

On Aug 2, 8:00 pm, sep...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> 'E lau eni ko e Takuanoa 'ae Huafa 'o e 'Eiki 'e he kau gays moe lesbians, kau ai mo e kaveinga talanoaa.
>
> Kenau Sisu 'aki mo fakasotoma pee ?
>
> Fao mai ha me'a 'e tui ai e kakai kia Sisu ko e 'Alo 'o e 'Otua, ko e fakamo'ui 'o mamani, ha'u keke 'ofa Tokoua !
>
> takamuli.
>
>
>
> > david niu <niutev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ko e fiflii, fefee 'okapau 'e ala mai 'a e gay community 'o claim 'a
> > Sisu ko
> > e gay (gayzation??? of Jesus), ke ne hoko ko honau semipioni? 'E anga
> > fefee
> > ha'o sio ki he gay community, gay issues, if Jesus were gay? Kuo 'i ai
> > pe
> > foki moe ngaahi taukave ia na'e gay 'a Sisuu. Ko e vauvau pe.
>
> > Ofa moe hufia,
> > TNiu.
>
> > --
> > 'Oku tufa atu e email ni koe'uhi 'oku kau ho tu'asila he memipa 'i he
> > "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope"
> > Ko e tu'asila ke 'ave ki ai ha'o email ki he Tasilisili ko e
> > tasil...@googlegroups.com
> > Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki he
> > tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com
> > Pea ko e website 'a e Tasilisili ko e
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> - Show quoted text -

Semisi Ta'ai

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'Oku ou malie'ia au ia he felafoaki 'oku fai , kau pehee loto pe ha
malimali mai 'ae 'Otua he 'etau fkmuna 'oku laku holo , 'alu ee tama
koee 'o ako ke ma'u e mahino kihe folofola toe mimio 'e ia ke folipa ,
pea kamata e faifekau koee hono malanga'i fklelei e folofola fkikuiku
hake kuo li mai 'ene tohitapu 'ana ia he ve'ehala kae punou atu ia he
pota saafa 'o hangee 'oku lotu mosilemi ia , fe'unga pe me'a ia koia
mo au 'oku ou tangutu 'i 'api heee,heee kau ka kei he'ikai teu toe
fkpiko'i kimoutolu lotu he ko moutolu te mou fka'ua'u hake au ki langi
mo kole kihe Tamai keu si'i kau atu mu'a he'ene fili , koe me'a ki
ha'aku vilitaki ke 'oatu au mo 'eku kau kei ke mau tataki e siasi
'oku 'ikai teu 'ilo pe koe ha 'oku mou kei fkmo'ui ai kimautolu ,
mahino foki koe kakai pehee na'a nau tupu hake pe he ngaahi famili
lotu koe me'a ia 'oku nau ta'efie li'aki ai 'ae lotu pea 'ikai fie
mato'o meihe kei kae 'omai pe ke 'oposi ua , mahalo na'a 'oku
fkluelue'i lelei ange 'ehe ngaahi hiva fklotu mo taimi'i lelei 'enau
ngaahi popi fksotoma , heee,heee, pea 'oua temou kohu mai kiate au he
taumaiaa kou fkloto'i kimoutolu 'o hangee ko Niu , heee heee







Niun
On Aug 4, 10:39 am, david niu <niutev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010/8/4 <pas...@genesischurch.org>
>
> > Maama,ko'etau tipeiti pe hange pe ha'atau fevahevahe'aki,koe felafoaki pe
> > mo'oni mo etau 'uhinga ka'oku te'eki taimi ia ke tala kakato mai ai hota
> > hingoa 'e taha ' sh'
>
> Faifekau, kataki 'o fakafaikehekehe'i 'a e fakakohukohu moe kohu. Tuku pe 'e
> koe 'a Maama ke tau'ataaina he ne 'osi foaki kakato 'a e tau'ataaina ia.
> Maama, 'oua na'a mole ho'o tau'ataaina 'au. Taufale koe ki he lahi taha te
> ke ala lava. Malo toko e taufale.
>
> TNiu.

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Manatu ki he talanoa ko ee teu tali'i 'e Lutu Mailangi e fu'u Fisi ko
Le'ula.

Sio atu ki he lele mai 'a e fu'u tama pea saiti hake ia ki he
tafa'aki
'o ui atu "'Alu pe".


DNiu, Gay pe koe mo ho'o Sisu....hihihi.



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Na'e kehe pe pe fo'i 'ai ia 'a Lutu he na'a ne tuku pe ke 'alu ai pe ,
ko Tniu ia 'e lele ma i e fu'u kei kae saiti hake ia kihe tafa'aki mo
kaila atu lele hake koe he koho loto 'ou keu toki tali'i atu koe mei
mui pea talu ai moe kaikaila 'ae kei ia na'e anga fkfefee ho'o tekolo
mo toe tata'o . 'eheee,heee , 'oua te mou kohu he koe lea pe 'eni ia
'ae kei ta'e lotu ki hoku tokoua kei mo malanga'i 'ae kei he loto lotu
ko t niu haaa,haaa

On Aug 3, 3:09 pm, Maafu Palu <maafu.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Manatu ki he talanoa ko ee teu tali'i 'e Lutu Mailangi e fu'u Fisi ko
> Le'ula.
>
> Sio atu ki he lele mai 'a e fu'u tama pea saiti hake ia ki he tafa'aki
> 'o ui atu "'Alu pe".
>
> DNiu, Gay pe koe mo ho'o Sisu....hihihi.

sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Aug 8, 2010, 11:50:06 PM8/8/10
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Ko e 'amanaki 'angaa pe ia Tuaniu ko e kei ngaue mai 'ae 'Eiki, kapau 'e tuku ki he'etau ngaue atu atuu 'e faafaa hotau nima he ngaue he'ikai pe ketau toe ma'u hono 'imisii.

malo e talaloto malie.

takamuli
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Semisi Ta'ai

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Aug 9, 2010, 12:10:24 AM8/9/10
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Koe kakai 'oku kei mo lesipiane , 'oku malie atu ho nau tefito'i
'ulungaanga , koe fa'ahinga 'oku ta'emingao , ta'enanaa , ta'ema mo
ta'eufi moe ha fua honau ngaahi natula , taimi tatau pe 'oku 'inasi he
mo'ui ko 'eni 'ae fa'ahinga ia 'oku 'ikai koha kei pe lesipiane , ko
hona faikehekehe pe 'eni kihe 'eku ki'i fifili , koe 'ikai ke kei
'oku ne ongo'i pe peane toe fktokanga'i 'ene ngaahi fehalaaki pea pea
a'u pe fa'ahinga 'e ni'ihi 'o 'alu punou , koe kei moe lesi koe
'osi'osinga taha pe ia pea he'ikai ha toe akonaki malie , koe kakai pe
'oku anga lelei pea 'oku 'ikai ke nau manako ke fai hia he 'oku nau
mo'ua ma'u pe ke fai 'ae me'a 'oku nau ifo'ia ai , koe fkninimo koe
'ikai ke nau fai pe 'enau me'a 'i honau siakale , 'oku 'ikai 'uhinga
'ene hake 'uta 'ae me'ani 'o a'u ki Tonga ke tau toe fkngofua ai 'ae
fa'ahinga peheni ke nau hoko koha kau faifekau , taumaiaa 'oku tapuni
'ae matapa 'oe siasi ki ha'a nau hu mai 'o fanongo kihe ongoongo lelei
'oe mo'ui ta'engata , koe fefusiaki ia 'oku fai , 'oku 'ikai koha
fefusiaki 'aha ta'emahino moha ta'emahino ,ka koe fefusiaki 'ae kau
mahino'i 'oe folofola moe kau ta'emahino ko 'eni , koe ngaahi me'a
'oku mo'ua ai 'ae kakai ko'eni 'e kei tautea tatau pe moe fa'ahinga
'oku 'alu pe kihe lotu mo fai kakaa'i 'ae ngaue , koe fili tau'ataaina
pe ia 'ae tangata , 'okapau 'oku ne fkpulipuli'i 'ene faifatongia he
lakanga fkfaifekau 'ene ngaahi 'u kovi 'oku 'iai pe 'ae lao 'oe siasi
'oka faifai ange kuo 'ilo pea 'e fkhifo leva ia mei hono lakanga , koe
'ilo'ilo'i pau atu kiha taha 'oku kei mo lesipiane kae fkngofua mai ke
ne hoko koha faifekau pea 'oku ta'eufi leva 'ae lao koia kihe lao 'ae
'Otua pea koe ngaahi fkfepaki ia 'oku ne fkpalakuu'i 'ae siasi , ka
'oku te fktauange pe ke hoko 'ae ngaahi mafulifuli ko'eni pea toe iku
hake 'o tu'u hangatonu 'o hange pe ko hono 'uluaki kamata , pea ka iku
atu 'o 'ikai lava koe 'Otua ee 'oku talitali , pea 'oku tali mai ia ki
hotau laumalie moe fa'ahinga 'oku nau muimui kihe 'ene ngaahi tala ,
teu ngata aa hee he kou ki'i meimei ninimo hangee koee 'oku ou ongo'i
'e au neu kai 'e au ia ha maka kasa , 'Eheee heee


Semisi Ta'ai
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david niu

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Aug 9, 2010, 12:31:35 AM8/9/10
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Test...test...hello?...helo?...test 1 2 3, test 1 2 3..

david niu

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Aug 9, 2010, 9:56:17 AM8/9/10
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Sami, ko e ha kuo ke li'aki ai 'a e tepile 'etau kau angahala ka ke ha'u ki he haohaoa? Malo e faofao holo he ngaahi tepile mo kei taukave'i ke kau mai e kau ta'ehaohao he tepile ee. Tokanga pe na'a ke feinga fao koe 'o fu'u fano e tepile ia kae ta'e'aonga ia tepile.


2010/8/6 Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>

Sione M. Veituna

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Aug 9, 2010, 10:04:39 AM8/9/10
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ko ia, 'ai pe mo ke kii asi mai heni, malo Dniu e fakatokanga,

oua te tau fu'u hoha'a ki he fao 'a Sami he oku hange pe ko e fana lapapeni 'a e kau leka, u'u ki'i laipepa osi pelupelu pea fusi'i e lapapeni o mafao toe foki mai pe o pa'ipi he loungutu, pea tangiiiii e kii tama fana lapapeni  he he he he he..... malie sami, fuoloa ho'o longo lea mai kimu'a pea fakaheleleu a Dniu he tau kii kumete..


Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 1:56:17 AM

Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Ko e Ma'oni'oni Haohaoa he Tohitapu ihe lau 'a Uesile,.

david niu

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Aug 9, 2010, 10:35:11 AM8/9/10
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2010/8/5 Maama Tupa <maam...@yahoo.com>
Sifa,Dniu,Takamuli,Maananga, moe kau faifekau,
kae takai mai aa si'oku fala..pea mou kataki he 'eku fkmatalili he koe ngutu'i fkleiti foki ha ha ha ha....
tu'a kae 'ofa lahi atu,,,
ni samote aa
MAAMA HE LOTU TUPA  
Maama ko e ha kuo takai ai ho fala? 'Oku ou faka'ofa'ia ha loki 'e fofola atu ai ho falaa kae saipe he ko e falafefeka eee. Ko e ha e fala 'oku ke ngaue'aki? ko e fuatanga pe ko e tekumi? 'Oku fakatefito foki hano tali kita 'i ha feitu'u moe fa'ahinga fala 'oku te 'alu atu mo ia. Kapau 'oku 'ikai ke ke 'ilo ho fala pea ke 'eke pe 'e koe ki ha faifekau, 'oua na'a ke 'eke 'e koe ki he finemaatu'a he'ikai ke nau fu'u 'ilo 'e nautolu 'o hangee ko e 'ilo 'a e kau faifekau ki he lau 'o e fala...ha ha ha 'oku kau ia he lesoni teu'i 'o e kau faifekau ko e pau ke te poto hono lau e koloa 'ooouaa.
'oku ou fiefia he vakai hifo te ke toe fou mai ki heni..ko e me'a pe 'oku kole atu 'oua na'a ke 'omai ho'o taufale, tuku pe ho'o taufale hena he 'oku lahi pe 'a e taufalee heni. Ko ho'o taufale kuo motu'a pea 'oku 'ikai toe hao ha me'i efu ia eee, a'u pe ki he tuliki fale 'oku 'ikai toe 'i ai ha meesi ia...malo e faka'aa'aa
 
TNiu.

Timothy

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Aug 9, 2010, 7:27:27 PM8/9/10
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Gay Is Okay: Polls Show Positive Media Portrayal Worked
Truth Versus the Polls: Chuck Colson

According to a new survey by the Gallup organization, for the first
time a majority of Americans-53 percent-believe that gay and lesbian
relationships are morally acceptable. Only 43 percent of Americans
call these relationships morally wrong. This is a dramatic change from
the beginning of the millennium. In 2001, only 40 percent of those
surveyed called same-sex relationships "morally acceptable" while 53
percent called them "morally wrong." According to Gallup, the "gradual
increase in public acceptance of gay relations" is "almost
exclusively" a result of changing attitudes among males towards
homosexuality. This is especially the case among men under the age of
50. The change in attitudes has happened despite little, if any
change, in beliefs about the causes of same-sex attraction. Americans
are evenly divided on the "nature versus nurture" explanation, and
have been for a long while. The only good news from the survey results
is that 53 percent of those polled are against same-sex "marriage,"
which is "down slightly" from last year. Not surprisingly, gay-rights
activists are ecstatic over the results. At the Atlantic Monthly,
Andrew Sullivan called the results a cultural "Rubicon" and rejoiced
in the failure of those he labels "Christianists"-a nice backhanded
comparison to "Islamists."

Christian commentator Rod Dreher, while he completely disagrees with
Sullivan on the issue, agrees that the tide has turned. But these
results were to be expected-given the relentless barrage of pro-gay
media coverage and the overwhelmingly positive depiction of same-sex
relationships in popular culture. A recent New York Times article
noted that people are "starting not to notice" when celebrities come
out of the closet. The Times lamented that what was "once seen as a
defiant and courageous act of such social and political significance"
has "has lost some of its potency." I wonder why? Could it be that, if
your perception of the world is shaped by pop culture, you expect a
lot of people to be gay? Could it be that after years of being told by
elite media, like the Times, that being gay is "no big deal," people
treat the news that someone is gay as "no big deal"? The elite molders
of opinion have done their job well. We live in a world where moral
qualms about homosexuality are regarded as bigotry. Today it requires
more courage, as well as strength, to swim against the cultural tide
and express any reservation about homosexual relationships.

But swim we must. What is true has never been a question to be decided
by polls or popular opinion. Truth isn’t "democratic"-it’s something
that God has written into the very fabric of nature. Of course, that
idea is even less popular than our beliefs about same-sex
relationships. We in the West have elevated autonomy, which literally
means "self law" into our highest value. Now listen to me folks, this
is going to be a wake-up call. The tide has turned against Christian
in the culture because we haven’t been doing our job in the church.
Culture matters. Politics follows culture. That’s why we’ve got to
start making a better case. You can come to the Colson Center and get
all kinds of resources to winsomely present our arguments.

david niu

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Aug 9, 2010, 7:38:14 PM8/9/10
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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Timothy <tla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gay Is Okay: Polls Show Positive Media Portrayal Worked
 Truth Versus the Polls: Chuck Colson

But swim we must.
 
Ko e fo'i palopalema eni....he he he
 
TNiu

Sam Pakofe

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Aug 10, 2010, 4:17:28 AM8/10/10
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T-Niu, ki'i lava 'eni ke ma'u potalanoa atu meihe Tasilisli, pea 'oku malie 'enau fekau 'aki, pea hangehange 'oku hinehihina lelei ange tafa'aki 'e taha , ihe 'IAI" 'ae Tafa'aki 'e taha, pea mahino lelei ange ai 'ae "ongo" Faka'ulungaanga , kuo fili 'ehe tangata " , ka 'oku 'ikai teki ai emo'ui ia, koe 'uhi ka houhou mai pe faka'uli'ulilatai  e " Fakafotunga ' kei tu'u ma'u , 'o 'ikai ha mai ha fai kehekehe ...
 
'aho kovi 'eni he lue , koe 'uha,,, ikai lava hono tutu e fu'u kale=kapaika ia..
sami.

Sent: Mon, 9 August, 2010 11:56:17 PM

Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Ko e Ma'oni'oni Haohaoa he Tohitapu ihe lau 'a Uesile,.

Sami, ko e ha kuo ke li'aki ai 'a e tepile 'etau kau angahala ka ke ha'u ki he haohaoa? Malo e faofao holo he ngaahi tepile mo kei taukave'i ke kau mai e kau ta'ehaohao he tepile ee. Tokanga pe na'a ke feinga fao koe 'o fu'u fano e tepile ia kae ta'e'aonga ia tepile.


2010/8/6 Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>
From: penisimani mone <peni...@gmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 6 August, 2010 2:40:52 AM
Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Ko e Ma'oni'oni Haohaoa he Tohitapu ihe lau 'a Uesile,.
Fakapulia , malo mu'a hono toe faofao lelei mai e Ongo Tafa'aki....... pea moe anga 'ae vakai kihe ongo Tafa'aki...... Kuo mahino 'eni 'oku 'iaia e kau ta'e haoahaoa eg. koe Gay&Les , moe kau haoahaoa eg.-   koe Kau Lotu .

penisimani mone

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2010/8/10 david niu <niut...@gmail.com>
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Malo 'aupito DNiu pea mo Timothy e ma'u ongoongo, mahino ai 'emau nofo vaoo, taa ko ee kuo fai atu 'a mamani ia 'i Fafaa ka mau kei lue atu mautolu 'i Toketoke...kuo ngali mo'oni 'a Bill - Kuo fai e mo'u sioa ki langi kae tili 'a e kakaii ia 'i mamani! 'Oku ou 'amanaki pe 'e 'ikai te tau repeat ha fa'ahinga fakakikihi 'afungi 'i he issue ni 'o hangee ko ia na'e fa'a fehangahangai ai 'a e kau teolosiane 'o 'Efesoo mo Alekisanitia 'i he hisitolia fakamamahi 'o e Siasii ka 'i ha ngaahi 'uu issue kehe ia, ka 'e tokoni kia kimautolu ha'amou 'omi ha ola 'o e ngaahi savea pe fakatotolo kuo fai 'i homou ngaahi fonuaa ke mau fakaofiofi ai ki ha'amau kakau 'i ha 'aho 'e tukituki mai ai 'a e "no big deal" 'i he matapaa 'o e Siasii 'i motu ni. Malo e ngaue mei hena...
--
fakapulia

stan palu

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Aug 16, 2010, 2:23:54 AM8/16/10
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 From: sep...@optusnet.com.au
>

>
> Kataki, pe ne haa 'eku pehe ko e Takuanoa eni 'ae Huafa 'oe 'Eiki 'oku ke fai mo e kau Gays mo e Lesbians ? ka e toki tuli au.
>
> Sio pe au 'o teteki atu ho'o 'ikai tu'utu'ukina ke lea pehe kia Sisu, pea ko e fa'ahinga kakai pehe pe he Tohitapu 'oku 'ilo ai 'ae fa'ahinga folinga tala'otua ko iaa, ko e kakai 'oku 'ikai kenau tui nautolu ki a Sisu, ko au ia ko eni Dniu, 'oku te 'ofa 'ia he Huafa 'oku ke feinga ke fakaili 'aki e fiema'u 'ae matakali na.
>----------------------------
> Takamuli  ha kuo ke fo'i ai he usu kuo ke 'ai mo'oni ai koe ee ki'i afe ki kauhala fai ha kumi ivi  kake toki hoko atu..hahah malo pe tau kei makalo ee...'ofa atu...
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