SAAME 127

[Sione uaisele]

Kataki faka molemole mu'a kaunga tausilisili ka mou ki'i afe mai 'o tokoni mai mu'a.  Ki'i lave'i mai mu'a ee Saame 127 koe ki'i fatongia faka vavevave..ngali fu'u vela e loki ko 'ena ka mou afe mai 'o ki'i lave'i mai ena.

Malo moe lotu

[suaisele]

Kaunga tasilisili, ko 'eku lea faka 'osi atu 'eni ki ate ki mou tolu,
tuku a Sisu Haua he'e haua ai ho mou fo'i atamai. Kuo kamata ke 'asi
mai ho'o mou too kehe kehe..mou kataki o alasi mai ena..ko 'eku kole
faka 'osi atu 'eni.
'ofa moe lotu

[jione havea]

Ki'i tafu atu, kae toki hoko atu 'a Sami mo e kau Tasilisili he Saame

 

Ko e 127.1 'oku malie kiate au, he 'oku ai e ongo me'a mahu'inga ai 'e ua: ko e langa, mo e le'ohi. Kapau 'e langa e fale kae 'ikai le'ohi e kolo, 'e hoko pe ko e maumautaimi 'a e langa mo e le'o. ka 'okapau 'e kau 'a e 'Otua he langa mo e le'o, pea 'e ma'uma'uluta e nofo

 

'oku toe malie 'a e ngaue'aki e "fale," hange ko e tasilisili kuo tau fai kimu'a atu, 'oku toe 'uhinga pe ki he famili. 'a ia 'oku 'ikai ko e langa pe mo hono le'ohi e fale nofo'anga, ka ko e langa mo le'ohi foki 'a e famili

 

pea toe malie 'a hono 'omai ke fetaulaki 'a e nofo'anga mo e famili mo e kolo. 'oku mahu'inga ke tau sio fakatokolahi, faka-e-kolo mo faka-e-kainga, kae 'oua 'e takitaha fakapukupuku pe ki hono ki'i fakahekeheke pe leke

 

ko e fakalanga atu pe mei he fano (pea tuku a foki e fa'a tafulu!), jh

[Talakai Finau]

'Oleva Uesi he'oku te'eki kemau a'u ki he keikeinanga kamau pukepuke kuikui mo siokehe eh...  kaekehe, tui au kia jh mo e 'uhinga 'o e famili.  Ka 'ikai langa 'e Sihova 'a e Mali 'a e motu'a mo e finemotu'a pea 'e toe hola 'a e finemotu'a ia kae li'aki e motu'a.  Pe ko e toe foki e motu'a ia ki hono 'uluaki kaume'a.  Ka ko e mali ko ee kuo langa 'e he 'Otua 'oku 'ikai kulanoa e fu'u mole kuo fai 'e he ongo kainga, he 'oku ma'uma'uluta pea 'ikai tu'unga'a e le'o he ko e 'Otua ia 'oku 'ikai mohe pe tule.  Tokanga pe kita ke tuku e 'ita kae oo ki he lotu.  Ma'u mo e ki'i fanau eh!  Too atu!  Hange ngaahi fo'i ngahau 'i ha nima 'o ha To'a.  Ngaue e ki'i fanau 'o tokoni mai kia kita hono totongi e ngaahi mo'ua pea 'ikai kete hola holo he fua e kavenga...
 
'Asi mai aa Sami he ko e malanga 'e fai 'a pongipongi...
 
mo e 'ofa,
Tkf
 
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[Sam Pakofe]

 

Malo Jh  e kamata'i mai e Saame , pea mahalo koe " Uho" pe 'ena ia 'oe Talanoa, kuo ke talanoa mai ai,,

 

Kae tuku keu paki atu aipe mo au,,  Mahino mai 'ae Fakalanga 'ae tangata fa'u Saame, ka langa ha Fale pea koe ngaahi me'a 'eni kuo ne fokotu'u mai, 'ihe anga e faka-kaukau fakamatahi atu .,

 

vs 1-2 :

 ( a). Tufunga : Sihova ka 'ikai langa 'e Sihova koe ongosia lahi 'ae kau langa ..

( e) Kolo  : ka ikai le'ohi 'e Sihova 'ae Kolo , pea koe tu'unga'a pe 'ae 'aa 'ae Kau le'o.

 

Kuou fakakaukau, Koe Fale koe malu'anga 'oe Famili, meihe ngaahi ha'aha'a 'o Natula , pehee 'ae 'uha moe la'a,, pea ka 'ikai koha Tufunga lelei tene fa'u 'ae Fale ni, pea ta koe Koto kulanoa pe .

Ka 'oku fakalanga mai 'ehe " Saame 'ae me'a lelei kihe Mo'ui ,,

- Ka kamata ha Famili Fo'ou pea Kamata Mo Sihova, neongo 'ae kamata ke fa'u ha famili fo'ou ka ikai " Fa'u 'e Sihova 'ae famili ( Fale ) Fo'ou ko'eni pea 'e Holo pe ia, hange koia 'oku tau sio faka'aho ai, koe nofo mali 'eni 'e Fiha, kuo vete, koe famili 'eni 'e fiha ne pehee kuo malu ihe lao, moe mo'ui faka'aho , ka kuo holo pe ki lalo , koe 'ikai KAU 'A SIHOVA HEFA'U 'OE FAMILI >.

 

- Hange koho'o fakalanga Jh, hange 'oku tonu ke Nofo fe koekoe'ii e KOLO, ka 'oku mahino meihe Saame, kapau 'e TONU 'e fili 'o Sihova kenefai 'e langa pea 'e Tonu leva e Nofo 'ae Kolo, he ko Sihova nene langa e Fale 'oe Famili pea ko Sihova leva tene toe Hoko koe " Malu'anga 'oe KOLO.

 

vs 3:Hiki leva e Tangata fa'u Saame kihe veesi 3, 'o Talanoa ia kihe Fanau [ inasi] meia Sihova, koe totongi 'oku ne 'omi koe "fua' he Manava,, 'oku mahino 'ae nofo 'ae laumalie 'oe tangata fa'u saame ihe " mahu'inga 'ia" he kau - mo - Sihova..

Ta koe fanau koe " inasi", pea kapau koe "inasi" kuo fakakoloa 'aki 'e "Fale"[ famili] pea ta 'oku tonu pe 'ene fakalanga, ke Kau 'a Sihova he langa, he koe fakakoloa e Kau 'a Sihova , koe " faka-inasi"  'aki e " fua" 'oe manava ..

 

koe inasi [ me'a 'ofa] koe fua [ tapuaki] 'oe manava.

 

vs4-5:Pea toki pehe leva 'ehe tangata fa'u Saame , 'oku hange koe ngaahi-ngahau ihe nima 'oha to'a , pehee 'ae ngaahi foha 'oku te ma'u kei talavou..pea toki pehee 'ehe Saame " MONUIAA' ko koha taha 'oku fonu 'ene Hofangahau na, 'e 'ikai ma 'ae fa'ahinga koia .. pea heikai alea ha atah mohonau ngaahi fili ihe matapa.

.'oku malie 'ae konga ko'eni, tokua ka ikai " ma'u " ha fanau , pea koe me'a faka-ma ia , pea heikai alea ha atah moha Tamai 'oku tokolahi hono ngaahi foha,,

 

Pea kohono malie leva 'eni 'oe Saame kiate au,  Oku 'ikai talanoa e Saame kiha " Fale motu'a, pe koha fakalahi 'oe fale, pe koha fakalele'i 'oe fale, ka oku talanoa e Saame kihe " Fale" langa Fo'ou. Kapau 'e Fakatokanga'i e veesi 4 mo 5, pea 'e malava leva ke faka-foki 'e manatu kihe kamata 'oe veesi 1, oka tonu e  Langa 'ae 'Uluaki Fale, koia  'e fiefia 'ae Matu'a ihe langa e Sihova, pea foaki  mai e 'inasi koe Fanau, pea koe tonu leva ke hanga atu e matu'a 'o  toe " Fakahinohino'ii " e Fanau kenau Hokoatu e Langa honau Fale 'ia Sihova, pea  ka hokohoko pehee leva pea 'e malava ke Hoko 'a Sihova koe" tangata-'e maheni moe Famili pehe kihe Kolo, pea koe kolo koia 'e malohi, he 'oku 'osi faka'inasi" 'aki 'ae Kolo 'ae "Tapuaki' meia Sihova,

 

Kane ongo ia, he'ikai ke tomui ai 'etau "Ui" kia Sihova, he kuo ne 'osi " Faka-fehokotaki" kitautolu meihe KOLOSI , kiha fa'ahinga taimi pe ketau " tekaki" ange ai kiate IAA , 'etau " Ngaahi Faka'amu lolotonga 'etau fononga 'ihe mo'ui ni

 

" Koe ha ha konga mahu'inga 'oe Talanoa ni, :

1. Ko Sihova ke Faka-kau atu ihe 'etau ngaahi " Fokotu'utu'u/ fakakaukau"/ palani , ihe Famili.

2. 'e Tonu pea lalaka kimu'a 'ae Famili moe nofo 'ihe kau 'a Sihova.

3. Koe hoko 'a Sihova 'o kau 'ihe 'etau ngaahi " me'a" pea tene hoko koe " Malu'anga', fakamaama'anga, 'omi fa'akataki, fakama'uma'u mo fa'a fakamelino.

4. 'OKu foaki "inasi" mai 'a Sihova pea hoko koe koto Tapuaki  'oka kau mai 'a Sihova.

5. Monu'iaa ka koia 'oku ne Kau mo Sihova, he 'oku ne "Lototo'a", 'oka fepaki moha fili.

 

Koe kau mo "Sihova", 'oku tolonga pea tu'u ma'u, 'o 'ikai holofa pe ngaueue,  vakai na'a kuo tami ketau tekaki hotau 'alunga kia Sihova, kae lava ketau ma'u "inasi'mo Tapuaki" mei ai hotau laumalie..pea  hange koe lau 'a Molitoni 576:

 

" Koia 'oku mau tekaki atu

'emau kavenga kihe 'Afiona ,

ko'emau vaivai 'oku puke ma'u

Kiho fu'u ivi,  'o malohi noa -

Koe 'uma'aa 'ae ngaahi faingata'a ;

'Oku ke ilo pe homau hala -..

 

mou kataki 'o toki faka-a'ua'u atu aa 'ena ..

 

sami.

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[jione havea]

ka ko e langa ko eni 'oku talaki he Saame 127, Sami & kau Tasilisili, ko e langa ki he mape 'a hai?

 

pe ko e founga langa eni ia 'oku kehe, 'oku langa pe mo mape he taimi tatau. ko e vakai atu pe, na'a 'oku lahi e fihi ko e pule 'a e mape he langa mo e tufunga!

[sfaupula]

j, neu ki'i ngaue langa foki moe laione (kalekale) pea ko e tumu'aki 'eku ngaue langa ko hono langa e 'aa ta'ofi kelekele. ko e fa'ahinga 'aa koeni 'oku 'ai e papa ia 'o tuki mei he tafa'aki 'o ha tafunga kelekele koe'uhi kene pukepuke 'a e kelekele mei ha'ane holo ki he tafa'aki.

 

ne vahe mai keu kamata he ngaue koeni pea ko hoku lelei taha pe ne fai'aki 'eku ngaue. pango foki ne 'ikai 'omai ha mape ia peau fa'iteliha pe au ki he anga 'eku fkkaukau. taimi ni 'oku fiu kumi holo au 'e he kautaha langa he ne iku pe 'o toe fokotu'u fo'ou e 'aa koeni 'e he taha kehe ia 'o fktatau ki hono founga totonu... hehehehe!

 

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[jione havea]

Veni, kataki kae toe kumi hake e mape na'a holo e langa 'o tata'o ha taha!

 

[seni taniela]

On Wed, 11/11/09, jione havea <jha...@gmail.com> wrote: Ko e 127.1 'oku malie kiate au, he 'oku ai e ongo me'a mahu'inga ai 'e ua: ko e langa, mo e le'ohi. Kapau 'e langa e fale kae 'ikai le'ohi e kolo, 'e hoko pe ko e maumautaimi 'a e langa mo e le'o. ka 'okapau 'e kau 'a e 'Otua he langa mo e le'o, pea 'e ma'uma'uluta e nofo

pea toe malie 'a hono 'omai ke fetaulaki 'a e nofo'anga mo e famili mo e kolo. 'oku mahu'inga ke tau sio fakatokolahi, faka-e-kolo mo faka-e-kainga, kae 'oua 'e takitaha fakapukupuku pe ki hono ki'i fakahekeheke pe leke

==================================== Malie lahi e fakamamafa 'a JH ke 'alu fakataha e ongo me'a 'e ua ko 'enaa, le'o e famili/kainga pea le'o mo e kolo/fonua...kau atu moe siasii..hangee ko e fakatokanga 'a tv ki he lahi etau nofo he personal salvation kae li'aki e structural sins pee koe system 'oku ne fakaehaua e individual...hangee ko e sisu Haua Toe mahu'inga ke 'oua e redefine e lau e tohitapuu, 'IKAI LANGA/LE'O 'E SIHOVA  ke pehee KA 'IKAI KAU 'A SIHOVA HE LANGAA/LE'O .  Kehe langa 'e Sihova mo 'ene kau mai he langaa ka tau langa 'etautolu kae kau IA he to'o kapafa'o mo to'ohamala ka tau langa 'e tautolu.  KO E LANGA MOE LE'O 'E SIHOVA 'OKU 'UHINGA we work as if we are the only one who works but we trust God as if God is the only one who works.  Pea he'ikai te tau 'afungi he misinalee, langa falelotuu, fai e akoo, etc. cos we have the right attitude....WE LIVE TO GLORIFY GOD ...pea mo'oni a John Piper, God is most glorified when we are most satisfied in Him...it's God centered, not man's centered....whatever we do is an act of worship...everyone is called and sent to live for Christ.

ko e fakalanga atu pe mei he fano (pea tuku a foki e fa'a tafulu!), jh

[Vilimo Fakalolo]

malo e fakatalanoa ihe Same, mahalo na oku kehekehe pe "Ae  langa e Sisu moe langa ia Sisu".  Toki fakatonutonu mai e kimoutolu na'e ako tohitapu.

 

Vilimo

 

[mohetaulanga kupu]

'Oku malie ae sio 'oku fai mai e melo,neongo te tau sio he fakakaukau ki he langa famili pe kolo pe fonua.'Oku hiki mei Langa moe kau Leo ki he talanoa KOE FANAU KOE INASI MEIA SIHOVA.Pea oku talanoa ae fatutaanga koe ngaahi fo'i ngahau kuo oloolo,koe hofanga hau ko Sihova pea 'oku malu ae fanau he fale o SIHOVA pe hofangahau ko SIHOVA. PEA HEIKAI MA AE NGAAHI FO'I NGAHAU KE ALEA MOE FILI HE MATA.Ko etau fanau koe ngaahi fo'i ngahau kuo oloolo ke nau Leohi ae Fale..'ofa atu  koe hu kona atu pe eni lahi e mcmc moe kau faifekau he kolokalakala Lone puke mai a ifoifo mo pole ke mau hanga mo Tupou4 halu. Seniale. --- On Wed, 11/11/09, jione havea <jha...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: jione havea <jha...@gmail.com> Subject: [tasilisili] Re: SAAME 127

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Fakatulou atu kae mono atu mu'a ki'i va'a fefie ko 'eni. 'Ofa pe
he'ikai te ne tamate'i 'e ia e tafutafu 'oku fai..hehehe Pea ka pehe
pea 'ai ho'omou kataki ke lahi he ko e vale 'a e fo'i niu motu'u..

'Oku 'i ai foki 'etau li-pa'anga ko e FAKA-FALE, 'a ia ko hono toe 'ai
'e taha FAKA-FAMILI. Pea teu pehe leva "Ka 'IKAI LANGA 'E SIHOVA 'A E
FAMILI ko e ongosia 'a e kau langa, ko e kula noa pe.." Taimi lahi
'oku kalusefai lahi e ki'i famili ke 'ave ha'anu taha 'o ako'i. 'Alu e
masi'i ia ko ia 'o tuku e ako ia kae fkkakato 'e ia e ngaahi bar ofi
he uni. Kae fefe leva ha ki'i taha ne talu pe 'ene tupu mo hono tuki
mo nonofo ki ai e 'APASIA 'OTUA, pea ko e AFE MEI HE KOVI KOE 'ILO
IA. Faifai 'o mahino pea tali 'e he ki'i tama ko 'eni ke LANGA 'E
SIHOVA 'ENE MO'UI. Hange ko ia na'e lave ki ai 'a Jione Havea, ne
tukulolo ke ngaue'aki e ki'i mape 'a Sihova ke langa 'aki 'ene mo'ui.
Ko 'ene mavahe ko ee mei 'api, kuo tohitongi e ki'i Mape 'a Sisu
he'ene mo'ui pea neongo e vili inupia e kau ako, ka 'oku ne 'ilo 'oku
'ikai 'i ai ha me'a ia ko e inupia he ki'i mape 'oku langa 'aki 'ene
mo'ui. Fai 'ene ako lava, foki atu ki 'api, fiefia e tokotaha kotoa
pea fkmo'oni kotoa ai ki he Talaloto ko 'eni 'a Kingi Solomone.

Tuku ke mono atu aa ee na'a mate e afi ia he fu'u va'a mei mata ko
'eni..hahaha

[Sam Pakofe]

From: jione havea <jha...@gmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 11 November, 2009 9:38:07 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: SAAME 127

ka ko e langa ko eni 'oku talaki he Saame 127, Sami & kau Tasilisili, ko e langa ki he mape 'a hai?

 

pe ko e founga langa eni ia 'oku kehe, 'oku langa pe mo mape he taimi tatau. ko e vakai atu pe, na'a 'oku lahi e fihi ko e pule 'a e mape he langa mo e tufunga!

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 Jh tuku keu toe paki atu pe, kae toki fai mai hono tapilipili ,,,

 

Neu 'osi hanga 'e au 'o " Mio'ii" e Langa Fale kihe LANGA-Famili ".pea kataki pe kapau 'e toe hipakaki e lau ia 'ae Saame ..

 

Fakatonutonu mai 'e fakamahamahalo ko'eni << pe koe lau 'a hai,, " 'o pehee, " FALE-'O-'ISILELI",,

'Oku ake 'eku manatu kia Mosese, na'e folofola mai 'a Sihova kiai  ke 'aluange kiai ( he Mo'unga Sainai , pea tokua  koe me'a na'e foaki  ange 'e Sihova koe " Lao ' pe Koe FEKAU-10.

 

kuou Faka-kaukau, koe " Mape" ia ne foaki  ange 'e Sihova kia Moese ke " Langa- 'aki e Fale 'o 'Isileli . Pea kuou faka-kaukau pehee, Koe Kau 'a Sihova he Langa Fale-'oe Famili, pea ko'ene "Folofola " [ Tohitapu ] koe Mape ia ,

 

'Oku tau monu'iaa, he koe Kuonga 'eni 'oe " MAPE" koe " KOSIPELI" , pea 'ikai ngata ai, ka kuo 'iai pe moe " Tokotaha [ TUfunga] kene tokoni'i e Kaulanga [ Laumalie-Ma'oni'oni] ,pea ka toki 'iai pe ha langa ia kuo he meihe " mape" pea fonuga kehe, pea koe toki me'a fakaloloma ia, koe " Ofi pe kae kei " sio kehe pe .. 

 

Koe Fakava'e ( foundation ) 'oe Fale, ke matu'aki lelei 'aupito,, 'oku lau kiai, 'ae Saame 1: 1-2,

" monu'ia ka koe Tangata kuo 'ikai Fou ihe fakakaukau 'oe faka'otua mate,pe tu'u ihe hala 'oe Kau Faikovi, pe nofo 'ihe nofo'anga 'o ha'a manuki,

" Ka koe LAO 'o Sihova 'a 'ene " Manako", 'Io ihe lao 'o'ona 'oku ne fakalaulauloto ihe 'aho moe po.

 

Saame 119: 97 , 'Oi 'eku 'Ofa kiho'o LAO na , 'oku ou fakalaulauloto kiai he 'aho kotoa.

 

Kuo lahi foki hono, study e Mape he kuonga ni, pea kuo lahi ai pe moe Feliuliuaki e MAPE, meihe Tukunga ne 'iai, 'oku kei tu'u ma'u pe 'ae Tufunga mo'ene " FOUNGA-NGAUE, pea kuou fiefia pe au, he sio kihe kau " tufunga' 'oku nau langa 'o tulituli kihe " Mape", pea neongo pe 'ene to kehekehe meihe MAPE , ka 'oku kei " FALE" pe, 'oku 'ikai keha mai ia koe " Ka( car) pe Saliote, ka koe Fale, pea kuou tui au, neongo e sipinga kehekehe e kau langa, ka 'oku nau ngaue'aki pe 'ae  " Mape"  totonu, 'e kei faka-koloa pe ,,

 

kataki, na'a kuou toe he mama'o atu au ia ,,

sami. 

 

 

 

 

[sitiveni faupula]

kapau ko e saame eni 'a solomoe 'e ala pehe ko e temipale 'oku fai ki
ai e sio. ka ko e me'a he 'oku toe fkkau mai ki ai mo e kolo. matamata
ka 'afio 'a sihova hono temipale pea mahino 'e kau ai pe mo e kolo he
malu. me'a pango foki ne hiki 'a sihova mei he temipale pea kau ai pe
mo e kolo hono haveki. tau fkfeta'i pe ne hifo mai 'a kalaisi 'o
fetongi e temipale pea 'oku ne 'afio 'iate kitautolu 'o lau ai
kitautolu ko e temipale 'a e 'otua. ko e malu'anga ia 'etau mo'ui 'a
kalaisi sisu he kuo fkpapau'i 'iate ia te tau hu atu ki ha kolo 'oku
'ikai ke ta'eta'epau hono anga 'o hange ko ia 'oku tau fekuki fk'aho
mo ia 'i he lolotonga... ko e afe mai pe he 'oku fkmafana e malu 'a e
kolo koe'uhi 'oku 'i fale 'a e 'otua... malo fkongo leka... hehehe!

On Nov 12, 6:32 pm, Sam Pakofe <pako...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> From: jione havea <jha...@gmail.com>
> To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 11 November, 2009 9:38:07 PM
> Subject: [tasilisili] Re: SAAME 127

>  Jh tuku keu toe paki atu pe, kae toki fai mai hono tapilipili ,,,
>  
> Neu 'osi hanga 'e au 'o " Mio'ii" e Langa Fale kihe LANGA-Famili ".pea kataki pe kapau 'e toe hipakaki e lau ia 'ae Saame ..
>  
> Fakatonutonu mai 'e fakamahamahalo ko'eni << pe koe lau 'a hai,, " 'o pehee, " FALE-'O-'ISILELI",,

> 'Oku ake 'eku manatu kia Mosese, na'e folofola mai 'a Sihova kiai  ke 'aluange kiai ( he Mo'unga Sainai , pea tokua  koe me'a na'e foaki  ange 'e Sihovakoe " Lao ' pe Koe FEKAU-10.

>  
> kuou Faka-kaukau, koe " Mape" ia ne foaki  ange 'e Sihova kia Moese ke " Langa- 'aki e Fale 'o 'Isileli . Pea kuou faka-kaukau pehee, Koe Kau 'a Sihova he Langa Fale-'oe Famili, pea ko'ene "Folofola " [ Tohitapu ] koe Mape ia ,
>  
> 'Oku tau monu'iaa, he koe Kuonga 'eni 'oe " MAPE" koe " KOSIPELI" , pea 'ikai ngata ai, ka kuo 'iai pe moe " Tokotaha [ TUfunga] kene tokoni'i e Kaulanga [ Laumalie-Ma'oni'oni] ,pea ka toki 'iai pe ha langa ia kuo he meihe " mape" pea fonuga kehe, pea koe toki me'a fakaloloma ia, koe " Ofi pe kae kei " sio kehe pe .. 
>  
> Koe Fakava'e ( foundation ) 'oe Fale, ke matu'aki lelei 'aupito,, 'oku lau kiai, 'ae Saame 1: 1-2,
> " monu'ia ka koe Tangata kuo 'ikai Fou ihe fakakaukau 'oe faka'otua mate,pe tu'u ihe hala 'oe Kau Faikovi, pe nofo 'ihe nofo'anga 'o ha'a manuki,
> " Ka koe LAO 'o Sihova 'a 'ene " Manako", 'Io ihe lao 'o'ona 'oku ne fakalaulauloto ihe 'aho moe po.
>  
> Saame 119: 97 , 'Oi 'eku 'Ofa kiho'o LAO na , 'oku ou fakalaulauloto kiai he 'aho kotoa.
>
> Kuo lahi foki hono, study e Mape he kuonga ni, pea kuo lahi ai pe moe Feliuliuaki e MAPE, meihe Tukunga ne 'iai, 'oku kei tu'u ma'u pe 'ae Tufunga mo'ene " FOUNGA-NGAUE, pea kuou fiefia pe au, he sio kihe kau " tufunga' 'oku nau langa 'o tulituli kihe " Mape", pea neongo pe 'ene to kehekehe meihe MAPE , ka 'oku kei " FALE" pe, 'oku 'ikai keha mai ia koe " Ka( car) pe Saliote, ka koe Fale, pea kuou tui au, neongo e sipinga kehekehe e kau langa, ka 'oku nau ngaue'aki pe 'ae  " Mape"  totonu, 'e kei faka-koloa pe ,,
>
> kataki, na'a kuou toe he mama'o atu au ia ,,
> sami. 
>

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From: sitiveni faupula <sk...@optusnet.com.au>
To: Tasilisili-he-ngaluope <tasil...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 7:06:17 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: SAAME 127

kapau ko e saame eni 'a solomoe 'e ala pehe ko e temipale 'oku fai ki
ai e sio. ka ko e me'a he 'oku toe fkkau mai ki ai mo e kolo. matamata
ka 'afio 'a sihova hono temipale pea mahino 'e kau ai pe mo e kolo he
malu. me'a pango foki ne hiki 'a sihova mei he temipale pea kau ai pe
mo e kolo hono haveki. tau fkfeta'i pe ne hifo mai 'a kalaisi 'o
fetongi e temipale pea 'oku ne 'afio 'iate kitautolu 'o lau ai
kitautolu ko e temipale 'a e 'otua. ko e malu'anga ia 'etau mo'ui 'a
kalaisi sisu he kuo fkpapau'i 'iate ia te tau hu atu ki ha kolo 'oku
'ikai ke ta'eta'epau hono anga 'o hange ko ia 'oku tau fekuki fk'aho
mo ia 'i he lolotonga... ko e afe mai pe he 'oku fkmafana e malu 'a e
kolo koe'uhi 'oku 'i fale 'a e 'otua... malo fkongo leka... hehehe!

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'Ahau, tau fakafeta'ii he kuo hange koe lau 'ae saame e taha , " kuo 'i Kolo 'a Satai ".

 

pea le'olahi mai e kalanga 'a Siosiua,, " Isileli, Fai ho'omou fili he 'aho ni, " He koau mohoku FALE TEU TAUHI 'A SIHOVA ". 

 

Kaunga-mafana atu aipe.

sami.
 

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[Sam Pakofe]

 Koe taha e konga ia pe 'oku ofi atu he fifili'i e ngaahi " Mape" kihe Langa-Fale,
 ko'eku sio kihe " Ngaahi Tu'utu'uni " ne kamata'i 'aki 'a Tonga ,,kae 'uma'aa he ngaahi 'ako'anga...

 

Koe ' Mape " langa 'o Tonga , " ne tuku kilangi 'i Pouono : "Otua mo Tonga kohoku Tofi'a".

pea toki tautau kiai e fangaki'i Mape, Ko Tonga Mo'unga Kihe LOto, Mate ma'a Tonga, etc, pea , a'u ai kihe fakama'unga 'ae Sia'atoutai " Koe Langa ki 'Itaniti..

 

'oku 'iai pe moe " Mape-Folau ia kuou tulituli au ia kiai, "  Lau pe ua Koe taha moe  Ongo Ma'afu ( Ma'afulele & Ma'afutoka ) ueee , koe Mape Inukava ia....he koe efiafi inukava 'eni,

 

  he   koe efiafi katoanga 'eni,,

 

koe sio pe ,pe 'koe Mape nai ,, pe koha me'a kehe ia...

 

sami.

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From: Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 6:32:04 PM

compressed/chunked Wed Oct 28 12:46:29 PDT 2009 -->

[Sione 'Atupuha Koloti]

2009/11/13 Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>

 Koe taha e konga ia pe 'oku ofi atu he fifili'i e ngaahi " Mape" kihe Langa-Fale,
 

manatu'i pe Sami ke fai pau ki he mape 'o e langa 'a Sihova...'a e maka tuliki tau'olunga...ko e hoha'a na'a fakatale'i...kae hoko 'o kulanoa (la'aaina, ongosia -noa'ia).

malie e tafu!

koloti

[Sam Pakofe]

malo e fakatokanga Koloti ,,,

 

sami.

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From: Sione 'Atupuha Koloti <sako...@gmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, 13 November, 2009 7:00:10 AM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: SAAME 127

[fusi mapuhoi a tevolo]

Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:08:13 -0800

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: SAAME 127

From: svt...@gmail.com
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com

 
kuo tohitongi e ki'i Mape 'a Sisu he'ene mo'ui pea neongo e vili inupia e kau ako, ka 'oku ne 'ilo 'oku 'ikai 'i ai ha me'a ia ko e inupia he ki'i mape
 

======================= lote, 'oku kE siasi 
Mamonga pe SUTT...??? Mahalo 'oku sai ange hono ako'I 'o e mahino, moe fai 'aki faka-potopotoo... 'i hono ta'ofi mo taangata'i pehe'I 'etau ki'i ta'ahine/tamasi'i akoo...
 
'E fefee...??? Lolotonga pe 'a e ako ia? Kuo fo'i kete(tulou) mai 'ete ki'i ta'ahine ia 'a 'ata, pe ko e fei-tama mai ha ki'i fefine ia ki he 'ete ki'i tamasi'i...?
 
'E fefee.....????? 'E fknofomai 'ete ki'i tamasi'ii/ta'ahinee mei he akoo...
 
kataki lote! Ko e hau he ifoo, 'a e fkpahekee
 
malo moe 'ofa, katau toki sio
 
Mpuhoi 'a Tevolo  

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Mapuhoi,

 

Ke si'i tali atu mu'a ho'o fehu'i. Ko e ki'i finemotu'a malanga hoko 'eni 'a e SUTT...hahaha he na'a mau 'eke atu.

 

'E sai pe 'a e tangata'i ia 'i 'api kapau 'oku 'i ai 'a e STRONG WILL ke SAY NO THE THE TEMPTATION. Ka ko 'eku vahevahe pe 'aku mei he a'usia tonu. Ko e taimi 'oku te fehangahangai ai mo setane 'oku toki mo'oni e lau FETA'AKI 'A SETANE MO SATAI. Pea ka fai ki hoku ki'i ivi faka-etangata moe mahino na'e namoa'i 'aki 'ita, kou talaatu 'e au teu to lafalafa kita kia setane. Talu 'eku tukupa ke ngaue'aki ki'i mape 'a Sisu, ko 'ene tolotolo mai pe 'a setane kou manatu'i e palomesi 'a e 'Otua 'ia Selemaia 29:11 - I DO HAVE A PLAN FOR YOU, THAT PLAN IS TO PROSPER ME NOT TO HARM ME..." kou talaange leva kia setane ko 'ene ki'i loi 'oku tuku ia is not PART OF THE MAP THAT I'M BUILDING MY LIFE ON....

 

Filipai 4:13 - I CAN DO (SAY NO TO TEMPTATION) ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST WHO STRENTHEN ME.

2009/11/12 fusi mapuhoi a tevolo <afu...@hotmail.com>

[Vilimo Fakalolo]

Malo etau a'u mai kihe uike foou ko eni, koe kole tokoni kihe fatongia ki he Sapate 22/11/09.

 

Koe ngaahi lesoni:

 

Same 132:1-12

2 Samiuela 23: 1-7

Fakaha 1: 4-8

Sione 18: 23-37

 

malo

 

Vilimo

 

 

[Salote Tupou]

 

1. 'Oku mahu'inga nai ke lau e ngaahi lesoni 'e 4 'o siofi e fkkaukau 'oku nau fekau'aki ai? If so, ko e ha nai e fakakaukau 'oku fekau'aki ai 'a e ngaahi lesoni ni 'e 4?

 

2. Ko e ha nai ha'o kaveinga malanga?

 

3. Ko e ha ho'o veesi malanga?

2009/11/15 Vilimo Fakalolo <vil...@tongafish.gov.to>

[mohetaulanga kupu]

koe fehui malie oku fai koe ha enau fekauaki.oku ou kii hila hifo ki he lesoni ia Sione talanoa kia Sisu hono fakamaaui ia Pailato oku i ai e tuliki oku ou malie ia koe feinga a Sisu lolotonga hono fakamaaui e Pailato kene fakahaai ae MOONI  pea koia oku oe MOONI oku ne tokanga kihoku le'o. Koe lesoni fakaha koe tohi ki he Siasi e fitu oku i Esia fakatokangai mea oku feinga ki ai ae tohiFakaha ke nau mau kelesi meia OKUIAI NAE IAI MO KAHAU ko ena felavei ia moe kelesi koe MOONI oku tokanga a Sisu ke fakaha kia PAILTO. teke kumi e kaveinga he fakakaukau e mooni.peake malanga e fakakaukau e mooni ke ngaue aki ehe  siasi e fitu LUOTAHA he MOONI> e ki;i koma e Seniale.  --- On Mon, 16/11/09, Salote Tupou <svt...@gmail.com> wrote:

[penisimani mone]

Fie poupou atu pe ki he lave 'a e Senialee, na'a lelei ke fakamamafa'i 'i heni 'a e tu'unga Tu'i 'o Sisu Kalaisii, ko e Sapate faka'osi foki eni 'o e Penitekosii kae hiki ki he Etivenii. Kaveingaa - Ko Sisu Kalaisii ko e Tu'i; Veesi malangaa - Sione 18:37, ko e fie ha'oha'omu'a atu pe.

2009/11/15 Salote Tupou <svt...@gmail.com>

[seni taniela]

Malo e lave mai he lesoni, 'oku ou kau mo Vilimo he fatongia he sapate...fai ha muimui he fale'i  'a Fakapulia ke veesi malanga he 37 kae mahalo teu kaveinga malanga e konga himi na'e fai he sivihiva 'a Toloa homau taimii 1970!! "Tuku keu popula kau tau'ataina" fa'u mahalo 'a Siupeli.  Teu feinga ke connect e truth, freedom, King & kingdom. 

Ko hai 'ia Sisu mo Pailato 'oku tau'ataina??Fakatokanga'i e veesi 34 'a e 'ikai tali hangatonu e Sisu e fehu'i a Pailato ka ne tali atu 'aki e fehu'i...Ko hai 'oku fai fakamaau he taimi ni??Intent comes before content.  Kimu'a pea tatala atu e Sisu ko hai ia na'e hanga 'e he ene fehu'i 'o fukefuke'i e motive e fehu'i a Pailatoo...Are you pursuing the truth(about me) Pailato?? Do you really want to know me?? Fakatokanga'i e hangee 'oku hee holo a Pailato...he veesi 35 pea ne fakavave ke fehu'i what have you done??ko e haa ho'o hiaa Sisu?? ....What is more difficult between asking "Who are you?" and "what have you done??"  It's too threatening to "know who Jesus is"

 It seems Pilate fled from his own original question "who are you??are you a king?"... better to deal with "what have you done?" kae pehee atu 'a Sisu, "Pailato ta foki ki ho'o fehu'i" veesi 36....a new plane of reality...My kingdom is not of this world etc...Kamata ke fehangahangai 'a Pailato mo e reality about this guy, pea ne fehu'i with a sincere desire to know "You are a king then?"  Fakatokanga'i ko hai na'e fita'a 'ene fehu'i he kamataa, ko e haa hona kehekehe he faka'osii...

where is the so-called Roman justice??

Koe palopalema he 'aho ni kuo kalusefai 'a Mo'oni he ngaahi feinga ki he justice...talamai there is no truth...truth is relative...etc....what happens when we pursue justice without truth??

kataki ka ai ha taha oku ne ilo e himi fa'u ko 'eni pea ke send mai...ko e veesi uluaki kamata'aki "Tuku keu popula kau tau'ataina"

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From: penisimani mone <peni...@gmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 7:52:30 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009

[penisimani mone]

2009/11/15 seni taniela <seni...@yahoo.com.au>

Malo e lave mai he lesoni, 'oku ou kau mo Vilimo he fatongia he sapate...fai ha muimui he fale'i  'a Fakapulia ke veesi malanga he 37 kae mahalo teu kaveinga malanga e konga himi na'e fai he sivihiva 'a Toloa homau taimii 1970!! "Tuku keu popula kau tau'ataina" fa'u mahalo 'a Siupeli.  Teu feinga ke connect e truth, freedom, King & kingdom. 

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Malo Seni, pea malie e kamata fatu 'o e malanga na. 'Oku 'ikai teu manatu ki he himii, kae mahalo na'a toki ma'u mai 'e ha taha.

 

'Oku fakamatala foki mo Molitoni 'i he'ene Mo'ui 'a Sisu Kalaisii, ko e tu'otolu nai eni 'a e fehangahangai hangatonu 'a e kau Siuu pea mo Pailato -

1) Na'e ha'u 'a e kau mamahi'i lotu Siu ni kiate ia 'i Sesalia 'o kole ke ne 'ave ki tu'a Selusalema 'a e 'uu banners fakalomaa he 'oku toputapu 'a e koloo, na'a ne teu fakapoongi kinautolu ai, ka ne 'ohovale 'i he taakoto atu 'a e kau Siuu 'o faka'ataa atu honau kiaa kiate ia ke faingofua 'e ne teu fakapoo. Ko 'ene fuofua mamata ia 'i he faka'ulia 'a e mamahi'i lotu 'a e kainga ni 'o a'u ki ha mole ai 'enau mo'uii.

2) Na'e to'o ta'efakaongoongo 'e Pailato 'a e pa'anga tukuhau temipalee 'o ne ngaue'aki ki hano langa 'a e fakatafe'angavai ki loto Selusalema, ka na'e 'uhinga 'a e pa'anga ia ko iaa ki he ngaahi fakalelei 'o e temipalee pe. Na'e tupu ai ha tohi launga'i 'e he kau Siuu 'a Pailato ki Loma, pea na'e fakatokanga mai leva 'a e 'Emipolaa kia Pailato ke ne tokanga, toe pe 'e ne laka 'e taha, he 'oku ta'efe'unga 'ene founga pule'i 'a e kakai 'oku ne tauhii.

 3) Pea ko hono toluu eni, 'a ia ko 'enau 'omi ia 'a e 'Alo 'o e 'Otuaa ke ne faka'ataa ke kalusefai. Pea neongo 'ene fehi'a he kaingaa, ka kuo nau ma'u 'enautolu e poupou 'a e 'emipolaa. Ha leva e me'a te ne faii?

 

Ngali Mo'oni ho'o fifilii, Seni - "where is the so-called Roman justice?? Koe palopalema he 'aho ni kuo kalusefai 'a Mo'oni he ngaahi feinga ki he justice...talamai there is no truth...truth is relative...etc....what happens when we pursue justice without truth??" Ko ia ko e palopalema 'o Pailatoo, ka ne taukave'i 'a e Roman justice, 'e hao ai 'a Sisu ia, ka na'a toe tohi launga'i ai ia 'e he kaingaa pea ko e mole ia 'ene ngauee, ka na'e fai pe foki 'e Sisu 'ene fakaafe ki ai - "Ko ia kotoa pe 'oku 'o e mo'onii 'oku ne tokanga ki hoku le'oo," fili pe ai, ki he le'o 'o e tokolahii, pe ko e le'o 'o e Mo'onii.

 

Fakamoemole kuo u ngali hee, mahalo 'oku 'ikai ko e talanoa eni ia kia Pailato, ka kia Sisu Kalaisi; fanau'i ko e Tu'i, ha'u ki mamani ko e Tu'i, fakahaa'i e Mo'oni 'a e Tu'i, 'a e Tu'i ko ee 'oku lohiekinaa, 'a e Tu'i ko ee 'oku fakasiikaka'ii, 'a e Tu'i ko eni 'e kalusefaii, Tu'i lauikuonga! Tu'i ta'eliliu! 'Aaaa, 'oua ke ne toki tautau kovi he 'akauu, ko 'ene toki Tu'i Mo'onii ia!!

Talamoonuu atu aipe Vilimoo mo Seni ki he teu e malangaa.

--
fakapulia

[Lote]

Na'e pehe 'e he faifekau palangi - fiema'u ke differentiate e "ako
tohitapu" mei he "malanga."

Na'e pehe 'e he Faifekau Ula Fonua - ko e malanga, ko ho'o ki'i miniti
pe 15 - tele e ngako, unu mo e hui pea tuku'i mai e kanomate he ki'i
miniti 'oku fai ai e malanga.

Na'e pehe 'e Faifekau Tevita Vea, ka ke ka malanga, manatu'i te ke toe
malanga pe..hehehe - MAKE IS SHORT, SWEET & FIRE.

I'm insterested he kavinga na'e fokotu'u mai 'e Peni Mone - KO SISU
KALAISI KO E TU'I he 'oku kainga mo e lesoni fuakava motu'a he
talaloto 'a Tevita he fakaikuiku 'ene mo'ui. Ka ko e ha nai ha fekau
teu tuku ke foki mo e kainga lotu?

KING JESUS - HUMBLE BEGINNING ('alo'i he
'ai'angakai) - PANI 'A E 'OTUA -
HAOHAOA = KING OF KINGS.
KING DAVID - HUBLE BEGINNING (foha 'o e motu'a ta'e'iloa ko
Sese - PANI 'a e 'Otua 'o Sekope - Murderer/Adulterer = KELESI

'E tonu nai ke pehe 'i he hoko mai 'a Sisu 'o fakae'a 'a e MO'ONI we
will be able to see OURSELVES ko e koto fakalielia 'i he fofonga hifo
'a e 'Otua kae fakafeta'i ko 'ene KELESI te NE hoko mai mo ia ke
fufulu kitautolu mei he'etau ngaahi angahala (Fakaha 1:6)

Kataki haiane'i mai 'ena...





On Nov 16, 1:58 am, penisimani mone <penim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/11/15 seni taniela <seni15...@yahoo.com.au>

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[mohetaulanga kupu]

malo aupito Faifekau e tau moe ngaue mei hotau fonua na.Malie lahi hoo fakamanatu mai ae faha'i tau fakakalisitiane pea koe fakakaukau pe ena oku ke fokotuu mai ke malangai ae tuunga Tu'i o Sisu.He naa ne  fakaha kia Pailato io koe Tu'i AU, nae tonu kene talaange koe Tu'i au i langi mo mamani pea oku ke Tu'i aki AU. koe tafaaki e taha kii ngali fakamoveuveu ae hu mai a Sisu o tala okui ai hono Puleanga pea ko ia oku TUI ai.kii koma Seniale.

From: penisimani mone <peni...@gmail.com> Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009

2009/11/15 Salote Tupou <svt...@gmail.com>

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[tv]

Hey Seni, malo e tau mo ena. I like to take this passage up with you because I remember it was a sermon I heard by NT Wright on this passage at a Conference many moons ago, that really inspired me!

Kataki ne fai e ki'i li'aki lotu he uike kuo 'osi mo e kosipeli moe tala 'e haveki e fu'u temipale (Ma'ake). Interesting enough, the very heart of New Testament christology 'oku fa'o he temple theology. Judaism always have a simple where Heaven & Earth come together. Tau lau e ngaahi Saame 'oku mahino ko e 'alu ki Selusalema 'oku 'ikai ko e 'alu ki "hevani", but you are going into the place where heaven and earth overlap! Jesus fulfilled all the yearly Jewsih festivals that were held in Jerusalem .. etc.

When we read at the begining of John, John makes a point of Jesus as the "glory" of God. And John builds up 'ene kosipeli 'o climax ki he'ene pehee mai - When you lift me up, I will draw all to me! Vakai ki he Judaism and the temple with their theology! - The temple is where the "glory" of God is found. John is telling us that Jesus is where the "glory" is. You don't find the glory of God in a place of bricks & mortar! 'Oku 'ikai ma'u e 'Otua mo hono langilangi mo hono ngaahi naaunaau ki he ngaahi fu'u fale 'oku tau langaaaaaaa .... 'oku tau fematematei he toutou misinale ki aiiiiii ....

You lift me up (the cross) and I will draw all to me! (tau manatu kia 'Epalahame). The cross is where everyone comes to to find God's glory! You don't go to Jerusalem anymore, the Temple is not where you should be drawn to anymore! This Jesus and his body is where all the glory is found.

Kata foki kia Pailate mo Sisu:
Manatu'i e ngaahi uike mai koee ki he kole 'a e ongo Ako  (Sione & Semisi) - ke ma takitaha mu'a ho tafa'aki when you are "glorified"! I mentioned this exchange between Jesus & Pailate he ko e underlying theology tatau pee - It is about doing power in this world! POWER. The new sets of power structure (kingdom - pule'anga) 'oku ha'u mo e tama ko eni ko Sisu. And how John & James didn't understand, how the public (Jews) didn't understand, and now how Pilate hasn't a clue!

Perhaps, the big questions is - Do we (the church) understand? How does it work?

[tv]

where is the so-called Roman justice??

Koe palopalema he 'aho ni kuo kalusefai 'a Mo'oni he ngaahi feinga ki he justice...talamai there is no truth...truth is relative...etc....what happens when we pursue justice without truth??

---------------

The only truth Pilate knew was that comes out of a sword. Ko e truth 'o e empire - of the kingdom of power systems that are formed and come out of this world - comes out of a barrell of a gun!

Ko e me'a ia ne tala 'e Loma - ko eni 'oku mau ha'u mo e founga pule 'e melino ai 'a mamani, pea 'oku mau 'omai e justice! By the way, it would come at a cost - tax! Pea kapau he'ikai ke ke tali e founga pule ko eni (Loma) we will find a way to make sure you are quashed and get rid off! Ko hai ko aa 'a Palaapasa? I think he is the symbol of the choice the Jews leader had at the time. Traying to get rid of the the Romans in the only way everyone knows! He is the guy who wants to bring in the kingdom - but a robber, a criminal .. etc. That's the man they want!

But when we read the text (John), the Jewish leaders played the political theology very cleverly! How? We have law and Jesus ought to die for claiming he is the Son of God! Kamata ke ilifia 'a Pailate ...
Pilate ask- Where are you from? Jesus - no answer! Pilate: do you know I have the power to free you? Jesus: you have no power over me, unless it is given you from above!

"unless it is given you from above" - God's intend to have power structure in the world! It is vital that there be power structures otherwise bullies will always win!
OK, Rome this is a warining to you. You have power but you hold it with responisibility to creator God. If you do not acknowledge this God it is going to get worse! But watch what the public say - if you let this man go, you are letting a man who claims to be a king go which means Cesear isn't the only king?

Fai ha feinga to focus in to what the kingdom Jesus is bringing may look like

[Sam Pakofe]

fakamanatu atu pe 'eni masi'i Vilimo, Ka Faingamalie e Kau Hiva pea nau Fakavaha'alesoni 'aki e " Halelu'ia Lahi ",, Koe konga malie lahi 'oe Ngaahi Lesoni 'oe uIke ni, oku nau talanoa'ii e " Ngeia " Faka-Pule " & Fakatu'i " 'o Sisu..........

 

"pea tene Pule mau'aipe 'o Ta'engata, Tu'i oe Ngaahi Tu'i Ma'uaipe, Ma'u aipe 'o Ta'engata" .

 

Koe ki'i hivehive ia 'a Tevita ( ngonengone ) , Koha pule kiha Tangta, koha Fai totonu'ena ".

 

Koe konga malie, 'oe talanoa 'ia Matiu ;; Koe pehe ne ui 'ehe kakai Siu 'a Sisu koe Tu'i Siu , na'e faka'ikai'ii ia 'e Sisu, 'oku 'ikai koe tu'i Siu IAA,, he 'oku 'ikai hano Pule'anga 'i Mamani, Kapau ne pehee ne 'iai 'ene kau Tau, ke tau ma'ana,,, Koe taha ia he 'uhinga ne 'ohomu'a ai 'a Pita o Tu'usi e Telinga 'o Malekusi, ko'ene Fakakaukau Tene lava 'o Malu'i 'a Sisu........ Ka na'e 'ikai..

 

Koe konga mahu'inga taha 'eni kiate au, koe hanga 'e Sisu 'o Fakapapau'ii kia Pailato pea ki Mamani,,, "OKU 'IKAI KOHONO PULE'ANGA 'A mamani ,,, kOHONO pULE'ANGA 'OKU 'IKAI KOHA PULE'ANGA KE PULE'II FAKA-KAU TAU PE MAFAI FAKATANGATA, ka koe pUle'anga 'oe " PULE" pea koe PULE 'OE FAITOTONU [ mo'oni ]..

 

KOE vaivai lahi ia 'oe ngaue fakalotu , moe mo'ui 'ae kakai kalisitiane he ngaahi 'aho ni, ko'enau feinga ke nau " MALAU'I " tokua 'a Sisu,,,  pea nau fakafekiki ai pe kohai 'oku mo'oni , pe totonu ma'a Sisu ;;

 

'Oku ako kiate au e Lesoni , kapau 'e Fulihi mai e " Fetukuaki 'ae Kau Siu mo Pailato ihe FEKUMI pe koha'i 'a Sisu ..

 

'oku pehee pe 'etau fai e LOtu he 'Aho ni,,, Ko'etau Fetukuaki pe kOhai 'a Sisu ..

 

Koe Fehu'i oku tonu ketau fai kohai 'a SISU 'IATEKITAUTOLU  pe Kohai 'a Sisu 'ihe 'etau MO'UI ?

 

kapau 'e lava ia, mahalo tetau ilo IAA koe Pule koe TU'i  koe Fakamo'ui 'o mamani,,, koe fakailonga 'oe teu ketau hoko atu kihe " faha'ita'u  HOkomai '" , koe Fakapapau'ii , koe hoko mai " Koe tu'i , koe pule KOE FAKAMO'UI 'o mamani ..

 

koe paki atu pe ,,

 

sami.

[Akapei Ma'ilei]

 

From: pak...@yahoo.com.au

Sami  Pakofe  said :

 

 

"pea tene Pule mau'aipe 'o Ta'engata, Tu'i oe Ngaahi Tu'i Ma'uaipe, Ma'u aipe 'o Ta'engata" .

 

 

Koe konga mahu'inga taha 'eni kiate au, koe hanga 'e Sisu 'o Fakapapau'ii kia Pailato pea ki Mamani,,, "OKU 'IKAI KOHONO PULE'ANGA 'A mamani ,,, kOHONO pULE'ANGA 'OKU 'IKAI KOHA PULE'ANGA KE PULE'II FAKA-KAU TAU PE MAFAI FAKATANGATA, ka koe pUle'anga 'oe " PULE" pea koe PULE 'OE FAITOTONU [ mo'oni ]..

 

KOE vaivai lahi ia 'oe ngaue fakalotu , moe mo'ui 'ae kakai kalisitiane he ngaahi 'aho ni, ko'enau feinga ke nau " MALAU'I " tokua 'a Sisu,,,  pea nau fakafekiki ai pe kohai 'oku mo'oni , pe totonu ma'a Sisu ;;

 

'Oku ako kiate au e Lesoni , kapau 'e Fulihi mai e " Fetukuaki 'ae Kau Siu mo Pailato ihe FEKUMI pe koha'i 'a Sisu ..

 

'oku pehee pe 'etau fai e LOtu he 'Aho ni,,, Ko'etau Fetukuaki pe kOhai 'a Sisu ..

 

Koe Fehu'i oku tonu ketau fai kohai 'a SISU 'IATEKITAUTOLU  pe Kohai 'a Sisu 'ihe 'etau MO'UI ?

 

kapau 'e lava ia, mahalo tetau ilo IAA koe Pule koe TU'i  koe Fakamo'ui 'o mamani,,, koe fakailonga 'oe teu ketau hoko atu kihe " faha'ita'u  HOkomai '" , koe Fakapapau'ii , koe hoko mai " Koe tu'i , koe pule KOE FAKAMO'UI 'o mamani ..

 

koe paki atu pe ,,

 

sami.

 
 
Sami, Kau  ki'i  fakaafe'i  mai  koe moha  taha pe  ki he  tafa'aki  ka e  'ataa e  lesoni  malanga  ia.
 
Malo  e  Paki, Ka  na'e  'omi  'e  Salote 'a e  ngaahi  tokoni  faka'ofo'ofa  'o  fekau'aki  mo e  kehekehe  'o e  malanga mo e ako  tohitapu. 'Aia  'oku  totonu  pe  ketau  toe  fakafaikehekehe'i  'a e  Paki pea  mo e faiako, tokoni pe  fale'i 'a  'ena  'oku  ou  highlight atu  'i  ho'o  tohi. 'Oku  ou  tui  'oku ke  'osi 'ilo  pe  'uhinga e paki .
 
Na'a ku  lau e  ongoongo 'ihe ngaahi 'aho kuo  maliusi'i atu.  na'e  hanga  'ehe  taki  'o Lipia ko  Kenolo  Katafi 'o  totongi  'a e tamaiki fefine  tokolahi ki he  fu'u  loki  'i he  hotele 'i  Itali. Tufa  'enau  tohi mosilemi , 'ange  mo  'enau pa'anga pea  ko  hono  fakaloloma  na'a ne  tukuaki'i  ko e  Pekia  'a  Sisu  ko e  fo'i  fa'ufa'u  kakaa  pe  ia  mo e  loi .  'Aia  ko  hono  matu'aki  faka'ikai'i  'a e  Tui  Faka Kalisitiane  kaekehe  'oku  hokohoko  atu  pe  'a e ngaue  ia  'a  Katafi he  'oku  lahi  'ene  pa'anga.
 
'Oku  hanga  'e  ho'o  fo'i  paki(?) 'o  ta'ofi  'eku  ngaue  he  'aho ni. 'i he ngaahi  fakakaukau(konga  pe) ko  'eni :
 
Kapau  ko  Sisu  ko e  Tu'i ('ikai  haua,ikai Tonga) 'oku  'iai  ha'aku  totonu  ,  moha  taha tui  tatau  mo  au keu  malu'i  'a  hoku  Tu'i ? 'ikai  tau me'afana.
 
'Ikai  ngata  pe  mei  he ngaahi  ngaue  hange  ko  Katafi ka  koha  toe  ma'unga  tala  kehe mei he Sisu  ko e  Tu'i ?
 
'Oku  ou  faka'amu  pe  teke  toe fakamahino  ange  ho'o  'uhinga  ko  'ena  for  a  start  kae  toki  hoko  atu he  'oku  ou  ta'efiemalie  au  'i he  taimi  pe  kuou  fetaulaki  ai  mo ha  fa'ahinga  ta'emahino  peheni . 
 
Malo e  tokoni  mai.
'Akapei Ma'ilei.
 
     Sotia  'a e  'Eiki.

[Sione M. Veituna]

Vaikona,

mo'oni e lea, ko e me'a fakalaumalie 'e ilo fakalaumalie pee, ikai ko ia?

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From: tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 11:37:17 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009

[Lote]

Talamonu atu ki he ongo tamaio’eiki ‘oku ‘amanaki malanga he Sapate

Fakamanatu meia John Wesley – "SIMPLE MESSAGE FOR PLAIN PEOPLE"

On Nov 17, 3:59 pm, "Sione M. Veituna" <sveit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Vaikona,
>
> mo'oni e lea, ko e me'a fakalaumalie 'e ilo fakalaumalie pee, ikai ko ia?
>
> ________________________________

> From: tv <ti.vaik...@gmail.com>

[Sam Pakofe]

From: Akapei Ma'ilei <aka...@hotmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 10:32:06 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] KO SISU KO E TU'I .

From: pak...@yahoo.com.au

 KOE vaivai lahi ia 'oe ngaue fakalotu , moe mo'ui 'ae kakai kalisitiane he ngaahi 'aho ni, ko'enau feinga ke nau " MALAU'I " tokua 'a Sisu,,,  pea nau fakafekiki ai pe kohai 'oku mo'oni , pe totonu ma'a Sisu ;;

 'Oku  hanga  'e  ho'o  fo'i  paki(?) 'o  ta'ofi  'eku  ngaue  he  'aho ni. 'i he ngaahi  fakakaukau(konga  pe) ko  'eni :
 
Kapau  ko  Sisu  ko e  Tu'i ('ikai  haua,ikai Tonga) 'oku  'iai  ha'aku  totonu  ,  moha  taha tui  tatau  mo  au keu  malu'i  'a  hoku  Tu'i ? 'ikai  tau me'afana.

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Malo 'Akapei,,ka koe anga ia e pakipaki , koe lii Ki Loto 'ete a'usia he Lesoni, pea koe toki me'a ia 'a'au pe 'oku ke tali pe ikai,,

 

Koe fehu'i 'oku ke fai, pe OKu 'iai ha'o totonu keke malu'i 'a Sisu ..

 

'oke Malu'i fefee 'a Sisu ? Kapau ko Pita ee ne oho ke malu'ii pea ta'ofi 'e Sisu ..

 

 Pei,  Ko Sisu kene malu'i " Koe mo Au,, 'oku 'ikai kotautolu ke malu'i 'a Sisu ..

 

.. sami

 

 

[penisimani mone]

2009/11/17 Sam Pakofe pak...@yahoo.com.au

 Koe Fehu'i oku tonu ketau fai kohai 'a SISU 'IATEKITAUTOLU  pe Kohai 'a Sisu 'ihe 'etau MO'UI ?

 kapau 'e lava ia, mahalo tetau ilo IAA koe Pule koe TU'i  koe Fakamo'ui 'o mamani,,, koe fakailonga 'oe teu ketau hoko atu kihe " faha'ita'u  HOkomai '" , koe Fakapapau'ii , koe hoko mai " Koe tu'i , koe pule KOE FAKAMO'UI 'o mamani ..

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Poupou atu pe Vilimoo ki he lave 'a Samii, pea mahalo ko e konga mahu'inga mo ia hono ua 'o e malanga kotoa pe, 'a e ki'i tuku si'i atu 'a e vetee (kumi ki he 'uhinga 'a e tokotaha na'e fai 'a e tohii/'uhinga 'o e tohii 'iate ia pe, ko e ako tohitapuu nai ia, etc..), kae toho mei ai ha ngaahi akonaki ma'ae kau fanongo 'o e 'aho nii (ko e malangaa nai eni kiate au, pea kuo pole'i pehee nai 'e Salote mo Sami kitautolu ki ai).

 

Hangee nai ko enii - "Ko ha'o fanongo ki he tali kuo fai 'e Sisu he 'aho nii, 'oku ngali Tu'i ia kiate koe, pe ko e tali vaivai ia mo vaipalo?.... Ko hai ko aa 'oku Tu'i mo pule 'i he'etau mo'uii he 'aho ni?.... Taimi fee? ....Te tau iku ai ki fee?...Ha hono 'aonga e Tu'i kae 'ikai pule ia 'i ha mo'ui 'a ha taha...(mo ha talaloto foki) Si'i kainga, kuo u fa'a tuku 'a kakano mo mamani ke pule au...tala atu, ko e fu'u ma'ali kula ua atu...fakafeta'i e fakahaa, ko e Tu'i ni 'oku kei faitotoka...pea neongo e 'alu mo fokii, 'aaah..kei puke atu pe kia Sisu Kalaisi ko hoku Tu'ii, 'a ia 'oku ne fakahaa'i e Mo'oni e lahi e 'ofa mo e fakamaautotonu 'a e 'Otua...." Kataki pe Vilimoo, kamata malanga atu au ee..Na'a lelei ke himi tuku 'aki e 419, ua ki he 401, 'uluaki ki he 468.

--
fakapulia

[Sione M. Veituna]

Sami,

mo fe fakatokanga'i pe mo Pei, oku mo fakatou tonu pe ka oku mo sio meihe tuliki kehekehe, io ko e mo'oni ko Sisu ke malu'i taulotu, as far as eternal salvation is concerned, ka oku ai mo e fatongia 'o e kau Kalisitiane to Defend 'a e tui totonu, oku ui kinautolu he hisitolia ko e kau apologists. he kapau 'e 'ikai ke tau tokanga ke ta'ofi ki he totonu (orthodox) 'e oo e kakai o tui he tui oku fakaheee, pea mole ai meite kinautolu mo e faingamlie ke nau ilo ki he fakamo'ui, kaikehe hoko atu e talanoa ia,

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From: Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 6:43:18 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: KO SISU KO E TU'I .

[Sam Pakofe]

malo Ma'anaga, e fakamaama, 

 

sami

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From: Sione M. Veituna <svei...@yahoo.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 5:50:32 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: KO SISU KO E TU'I .

Sami,

mo fe fakatokanga'i pe mo Pei, oku mo fakatou tonu pe ka oku mo sio meihe tuliki kehekehe, io ko e mo'oni ko Sisu ke malu'i taulotu, as far as eternal salvation is concerned, ka oku ai mo e fatongia 'o e kau Kalisitiane to Defend 'a e tui totonu, oku ui kinautolu he hisitolia ko e kau apologists. he kapau 'e 'ikai ke tau tokanga ke ta'ofi ki he totonu (orthodox) 'e oo e kakai o tui he tui oku fakaheee, pea mole ai meite kinautolu mo e faingamlie ke nau ilo ki he fakamo'ui, kaikehe hoko atu e talanoa ia,

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From: Sam Pakofe <pak...@yahoo.com.au>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 6:43:18 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: KO SISU KO E TU'I .

From: Akapei Ma'ilei <aka...@hotmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 10:32:06 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] KO SISU KO E TU'I .

From: pak...@yahoo.com.au

 KOE vaivai lahi ia 'oe ngaue fakalotu , moe mo'ui 'ae kakai kalisitiane he ngaahi 'aho ni, ko'enau feinga ke nau " MALAU'I " tokua 'a Sisu,,,  pea nau fakafekiki ai pe kohai 'oku mo'oni , pe totonu ma'a Sisu ;;

 

 'Oku  hanga  'e  ho'o  fo'i  paki(?) 'o  ta'ofi  'eku  ngaue  he  'aho ni. 'i he ngaahi  fakakaukau(konga  pe) ko  'eni :
 
Kapau  ko  Sisu  ko e  Tu'i ('ikai  haua,ikai Tonga) 'oku  'iai  ha'aku  totonu  ,  moha  taha tui  tatau  mo  au keu  malu'i  'a  hoku  Tu'i ? 'ikai  tau me'afana.
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Malo 'Akapei,,ka koe anga ia e pakipaki , koe lii Ki Loto 'ete a'usia he Lesoni, pea koe toki me'a ia 'a'au pe 'oku ke tali pe ikai,,

 

Koe fehu'i 'oku ke fai, pe OKu 'iai ha'o totonu keke malu'i 'a Sisu ..

 

'oke Malu'i fefee 'a Sisu ? Kapau ko Pita ee ne oho ke malu'ii pea ta'ofi 'e Sisu ..

 

 Pei,  Ko Sisu kene malu'i " Koe mo Au,, 'oku 'ikai kotautolu ke malu'i 'a Sisu ..

 

.. sami

 

 

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Lote,

ko ho 'uhinga kuo malanga 'a Ikamafana, mo Maumautaimi, he he he, ko hai e ongo tamaiki oku malanga, ha ha ha ha ha

cheers

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From: Lote <svt...@gmail.com>
To: Tasilisili-he-ngaluope <tasil...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 2:22:09 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009

[Sam Pakofe]

From: penisimani mone <peni...@gmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 5:44:38 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009

Hangee nai ko enii - "Ko ha'o fanongo ki he tali kuo fai 'e Sisu he 'aho nii, 'oku ngali Tu'i ia kiate koe, pe ko e tali vaivai ia mo vaipalo?.... Ko hai ko aa 'oku Tu'i mo pule 'i he'etau mo'uii he 'aho ni?.... Taimi fee? ....Te tau iku ai ki fee?...Ha hono 'aonga e Tu'i kae 'ikai pule ia 'i ha mo'ui 'a ha taha...(mo ha talaloto foki) Si'i kainga, kuo u fa'a tuku 'a kakano mo mamani ke pule au...tala atu, ko e fu'u ma'ali kula ua atu...fakafeta'i e fakahaa, ko e Tu'i ni 'oku kei faitotoka...pea neongo e 'alu mo fokii, 'aaah..kei puke atu pe kia Sisu Kalaisi ko hoku Tu'ii, 'a ia 'oku ne fakahaa'i e Mo'oni e lahi e 'ofa mo e fakamaautotonu 'a e 'Otua...." Kataki pe Vilimoo, kamata malanga atu au ee..Na'a lelei ke himi tuku 'aki e 419, ua ki he 401, 'uluaki ki he 468.

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Faifekau, kuou lau pe ho'o Malnanga mo Ngunguu atu pe he ngaahi Himi malie pea fakalaumalie,, toe faka'osi 'aki e  Lotu he himi 552:

 

" Tu'i 'o Taimi mo 'Itaniti.

Mau punou atu kihe 'Afiona ;

Mau tapafua ho Huafa 'Eiki -- ;

SATAI , SIHOVA 'ELA-'ELOHA ;

 

KOhai 'e lau ho'o 'ofa he Tangata ;

Ho'o fakalaka aipe  ia kimu'a :

Ha'u ha Kuonga lahi ai 'ae maama ;

'Ae poto moe 'u Koloa 'ae 'u Fonua ;

 

Malo  ho'o Ngaue iho mau Kuonga ;

Ho'o 'ai ke teunga'ia 'emau Mo'ui ;

Fai foki 'Eiki 'ai ke hulunoa ;

'Ae Senituli uofulu ni ;

 

koe tui lotu atu pe ;;

 

sami.

[seni taniela]

 tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>

"unless it is given you from above" - God's intend to have power structure in the world! It is vital that there be power structures otherwise bullies will always win!
OK, Rome this is a warining to you. You have power but you hold it with responisibility to creator God. If you do not acknowledge this God it is going to get worse! But watch what the public say - if you let this man go, you are letting a man who claims to be a king go which means Cesear isn't the only king?

Fai ha feinga to focus in to what the kingdom Jesus is bringing may look like

=================================================================
Malo tv.  sai ia ke tau unpack e lesoni ko enii he maama e talanoa fakalukufua fekau'aki mo e Pule'anga moe Temipalee moe hoko mai 'a Kalaisii.

Ne fa'o 'i he temipale 'a e fetaulaki'anga 'a e tangata mo e 'Otua, taimi mo 'itaniti, kaha'u mo e lolotonga ni.  'I he fehangahangai 'a Pailato mo Sisu ko e fehangahangai 'a e city of man (kingdom of man) and city of God(kingdom of God).... 

'I he potalanoa 'a Sisu mo Pailato, 'oku mahino ai e me'a lalahi 'e fa ne lave kiai 'a N.T Wright fekau'aki moe Pule'anga 'o e 'Otua 1) restoration of beauty (new creation) 2) restoration of relationship--between God and man and man/(woman) 3) restoration of true spirituality (His Kingdom merges with us) and 4) restoration of justice(based on truth)

Fakaafe'i 'e Sisu 'a Pailato: 1) to a relationship "Ko ho'o fie'ilo mo'oni kiate Au pee ko ho'o fanongo talanoa pee?";  2) to pursue truth...he na'e tala 'ehe kau Siu 'oku NE ta'ofi kinautolu mei he tukuhau kia Sisa.  Pea ne 'osi ai e teteki 'a Pailato na'a 'oku mo'oni e hoko e tangata ni ko e fakamanavahee ki he pule'anga Lomaa. 

Talaatu 'e Pailato, "Ko ha Siu au keu kau he'enau ngaahi fakafa'ahi mo enau filifilimanako...ko mautolu Loma 'oku mau tokanga ki he fakamaau totonu, pea 'oku 'ikai ngata aii 'oku 'ikai keu 'ilo 'e au pee ko e Misaia koe ko e tu'i Siu,  ko ia ai talamai pee koe haa ho'o hiaa, koe ha e me'a ne makatu'unga ai hono 'omi koe 'ehe kakai ni(Siu)?"

'Ikai tali hangatonu e Sisu e fehu'i kae pehe atu, "'Oku 'iai hoku pule'anga...'oku fakalaumalie, 'oku 'i mamani, ka 'oku 'ikai 'o mamani,  'oku 'ikai fiema'u mafai hangee ko  ko e founga pule e mamani...tu'o tolu e 'asi MY KINGDOM pea tu'o taha e MY SERVANTS...

fakamahino 'e Sisu, "I'm not a threat, I don't force anyone pea ko hono fakamo'onii he 'oku 'ikai ha fakafepaki 'eku kau sevaniti ki he ni'ihi ko eni 'oku nau 'omi auu."  This is an invitation to true spirituality...an invitation to connect with Him..."Pailato, this is a different kind of Kingdom? seeking to rule the hearts in truth and justice..Pailato I'm a King...the King ka 'oku 'ikai hangee koe tu'i 'o e maama ko 'enii"  Ko e fakaafe 'a Sisu ke fakakaukau 'a Pailato na'a kuo taimi ke connect mo Hono Pule'angaa.  Faingamalie ke overlap e city of God and city of man...new creation, restoration of beauty...

Fakamaatoato atu 'a Pailato, "Good argument!! 'aia ko e mo'oni pee ko e tu'i koe?"  Hangee kuo kamata ke ongo'i 'a'apa(reverence) mo manavahee 'a Pailato.  'Oku 'ikai ko ha fehu'i fakakata/tauhele he 'oku 'ikai tali mai 'aki e Sisu ha fehu'i, ka 'oku 'oange 'e Sisu e "content" of who he is...he kuo ma'u e Pailato e "good intent"...he really wants to know from Jesus whether he is a King or not.

Tali mai 'e Sisu "Pailato, as you said...yes I am a King...Ko e 'uhinga ia hoku fanau'i, pea ko e 'uhinga ia 'eku ha'u ki mamanii (I existed before I was born).  My kingdom is a kingdom of truth.  In fact, you are facing the Truth Pilate....My kingdom does not use force but to uphold Truth...to testify to the Truth...Ko kinautolu 'oku 'o e Mo'onii 'oku nau fakafanongo kiate Au.."  Pehee 'e Sisu ko kinautolu 'oku tauhi mo muimui  ki he'eku ngaahi fekau, tenau 'ilo e mo'oni pea 'e fakatau'ataina kinautolu 'ehe mo'onii."  Fakaafe'i 'e Sisu 'a Pailato ki he Justice pea ke connect mo Ia in a Jesus-Pilate relationship...be my disciple.  "Pailato ka 'oku ke kumi ki he mo'onii moe fakamaau totonu, fanongo mai kiate au??"

Fehu'i atu 'a Pailato "What is truth?"  Ko e fehu'i fakamanavahee ena 'oku 'ikai fietali 'ehe tokolahi he to'utangata ni.  Like Pilate, they don't want to listen to an answer...especially an answer from Jesus.

Ko e konga fakamamahi ena e talanoaa ko e 'ikai nofo 'a Pailato ke na fakafanongo kia Sisu, pea mo e 'ikai ha toe lea mai 'a Sisu ke tali e fehu'i ko 'enaa.  Jesus exposed the sinfulness of human heart.  Our lack of desire to face who we are. 

When we pursue truth, we meet a Person, a King who invites us to a new relationship, new life, etc.  a new dimension of reality..His Kingdom consists of temples.  We are show forth the beauty of the new creation....our connection with God and others as He indwells the hearts of the believers, our lifestyle of justice, and authentic true spirituality.

At the end, the judge (Pailato) is being judged by the Defendant.... 

Fakatauange pee ke tau tukulolo ki he Tu'i 'o e ngaahi tu'i he tapa kotoa pee 'etau mo'uii na'a hangee ko e lauu "If He is not Lord of all then He is not Lord at all"

[seni taniela]

Vilimo,

ko kitaua 'oku ta hoko ko e fakafofonga mo e le'o 'o e 'Otua ki hono kakai...'oku ai e me'a 'oku fakatokanga'i he ngaahi malangaa mai he mahina koee 'o a'u mai ki he uike ni.

Lahi e ngaahi malanga ko e fakamahino pee kaveinga e mahinaa mei he text eg.  Ta pehee te ta fakamahino ko Sisu ko e Tu'i mei he text pea lava ke ta ngata ai pee.  Kapau te ta fakatokanga'i, 'oku 'ikai ko ha palopalema ia ki he kakai Tongaa ke nau tui ko e Sisu ko e Tu'i.  Ko e fo'i mo'oni ko iaa kuo tuki mo nonofo ia ki he loto e Tongaa talu hotau fa'ele'i...Ko e fehu'i 'oku ou tui te ta feinga ke tekolo'i mei he text e Sapatee Why don't we submit?? Mahino 'oku ai lack of motivation pee ko e ma'uhala fekau'aki mo e Tu'i etc. 

Ko e momeniti pee 'eta fakahaa e kaveinga "KO SISU KO E TU"I" kuo pehee mai e kakai "So what?? We already know it...we believe it..."  Pea te nau pehee mai what will I get of this?? Mahino 'oku ai lack of motivation mo kitaua 'i he'etau 'ilo pee ko e Tu'i, ka e 'ikai ke tau fietukulolo pe fiemuimui....'ikai ke excited e kakaii ki he 'Otuaa pea hoko lotuu ko e fatongia pee mo e paasipooti pee ki he mo'ui kaha'uu...

'uhinga ia 'eku pehee ke ta sio this King wants to indwell our hearts...He is not commanding us but he indwells us.  He changes us inside out..We are his temple...He is full of truth in world where truth is mocked....

Ko e fehu'i ia kia kitautolu Tongaa, haa e 'uhinga oku tau tupu hake ai moe "tui" 'Otua ka e 'ikai kehe spritual performance 'a  Tonga mo Solomonee etc..

manatua koe 'i he lotu...at least ke ta malanga pee kiate kitaua

[Talakai Finau]

Seni wrote: tu'o tolu e 'asi MY KINGDOM pea tu'o taha e MY SERVANTS...

Fakatauange pee ke tau tukulolo ki he Tu'i 'o e ngaahi tu'i he tapa kotoa pee 'etau mo'uii na'a hangee ko e lauu "If He is not Lord of all then He is not Lord at all"

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Ko 'eku sio fakatemo ki he Lesoni-- tau 'ai ke Tu'i Fakalangilangi peeeeeeeeee 'a Sisu 'o hange ko Pilitania eh. 'Oua 'e toe pule fakaleveleva ia he kuou fiu au he fua kolosi mo e kavenga.
 
Toe ki'i sio pe--'Uuhh! Quit atu 'eni he Temo! Teu poupou atu ki he Misinale ki Uganda...:-)
 
Fakatokanga'i ange 'a e fa'ahita'u mo e teuteu 'o e Ha'ele mai 'a Sisu ko e Tu'i. Ko e 'imisi 'o e Fakamaau... ( Himi 48)... Fakamaau'i 'e kitautolu 'a Sisu 'o 'iku ki hono tukuange mai 'a e kaiha'a 'akau...oli atu ko e fiu he SERVANT:  fua kavenga mo e taliangi mo e fakaongoongo mo e loto ma'ulalo--ka tau sai'ia pe tautolu ke tukuange mai 'a e kaiha'a'akau ke taapalasia mo fakamamahi'i 'etau fanau.
 
'Oku 'ikai 'uhinga kuo tau fakapapau'i ka ko e kaunga ta'emahino pe mo Pailato. Ko hotau vaivai'anga ia he sosaieti ko e fakakaunga-tokolahi pe he me'a kotoa (20/80%). 'Ita pe kau taula'eiki pea 'ita aipe e toenga peseti 'e 80 ko ee --'o kaunga kalanga ke Kalusefai e Tu'ifakamaau.
 
Fakafeta'i ko e toki Tu'i Fakamaau 'eni ia na'e talanga'i mei mu'a pea lau he palofisai 'e fa'ele'i ke mate, 'alo'i ke pekia ke toe fakafo'ou ai hotau vaa fakalaumalie mo e 'Otua-- 'i he totonu mo e Meesi. Pea 'i he'ene pehe, tau tali ke Taki 'a Sisu 'o faifio (indwell) 'i he'etau mo'ui kae lava ke hiki hake (elevate) pe fisikitu'a 'i he'etau to'onga fai ko e kau Servant kitautolu kae Lord ia mo Pilinisi 'io, pea toe Kingi Fakaleveleva foki 'i hotau laumalie vaivai. 
 
Fiema'u ia ketau ma'u 'a e mo'oni (lotu mo lautohitapu pea ngaue'ofa) 'o tali mo fanongo ki he le'o 'o Sisu pea tu'uma'u ai kae tokolahi 'a e fa'ahi 'a e totonu. 
 
Mou kataki he piko mamahi ka kuo fai e ki'i mafana...
mo e lotu,
 
tkf talakaifaiki "...ka ai ha'a ku toe ha'u 'e 'ikai 'i ha tau ka ko e melino..." Tafa'ifaa Fakamuimuitaha

 

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[tv]

Power of God ("mafai" 'o e 'Otua)

Pau pe foki ke feinga'i ke lalave 'a e malanga ki he taumu'a 'o e uike - Christ the King Sunday. BUt I am more interested in unpacking and exploring what John may be trying to say! Ko e ngaue'aki 'o e lea "tu'i" 'oku ne 'ave kitautolu ki he fakakaukau 'o e mafai. Jesus came to change the way the world is! Koe me'a ia 'oku 'asi ai e fepaki 'a e "kingdom of God - where Jesus is procalimed KING", pea mo e ngaahi founga pule'anga 'o e mamani (powers of the world) - Temo, Monarch, Republic ... etc.

Jesus and his power structure (political system) come to change the way the world is! - How? Vakai ki he fakakaukau 'oku ngali 'oku mono mai 'e Talaki Finau (kataki fakatonutonu mai) - fiu au he fua kavenga he pule fakaleveleva 'a Sisu ... etc. 'Oku 'i ai 'ene mo'oni! Why do we preach every wk 'a e Tu'i 'a Sisu, ka e 'ihe tafa'aki 'e taha we have a lot of struggle with the way we do church?

That's why I think this passage (and Mark 10) is political - it's about power and how we exercise power in the way we live as a church (and country).

Ko e poini ia 'o e discourse between James, John & Jesus (Mark 10). "ransom for many" 'oku tau 'omai pe ia ke satisfy our doctrine of substitutionary attonement. But the context of the verse (Mark 10:45) is within he potalanoa 'a Sione, Semisi & Sisu fekau'aki mo 'ena kole ke na takitaha e ongo tafa'aki 'o Sisu ha'ane hoko 'o Tu'i!
But historically we read Mark 10:45, and jumb to personal attonement - kihe hoko 'a Sisu ko e Tu'i 'i he'eku mo'ui, fakamolemole 'eku hia peau kau ki hono Pule'anga. I think it's not a problem. But I want to highlight the context (as mentioned above), and how personal messege is within that. Ko e me'a leva 'oku hoko e 'oku mono hake (Talaki Finau) ...

You get your personal king, and then you end up living in a little bubble, hoping that the powers (church) don't hurt you! - fai ai pee umiuminoa ke 'oua mu'a 'e hanga 'e he Falealea Tonga 'o hiki e tax, 'oua toe lahi e faka'amu misinale ... etc.

I think that is what's happening here with Pilate and Jesus! It's about power struggle and how no one really make sense of the Kingdom (founga ngaue of a power system) 'oku feinga 'a Sisu ke fakahinohino. Ask Desmond Tutu! Ko e feinga 'a e Pisope ni ke ta'ofi e Laulanu 'a 'Afilika - he was on his knees!

[tv]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Sione M. Veituna <svei...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Vaikona,

mo'oni e lea, ko e me'a fakalaumalie 'e ilo fakalaumalie pee, ikai ko ia?

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Perhaps, you would want to expand on this. I rather like the idea that there isn't such thing as Spiritual Kingdom (Jesus) & Earthly Kingdom (Pilate). Jesus axctually want the people (Jews in his time) to live " ... Your kingdom come, on earth as it is in Heaven ...". Whatever it is you & I do daily is very much within one system!

My point about the conversation bet Jesus & Pilate koe fakafofonga 'e Sisu e founga pule'anga, pea fakafofonga mai 'e Pilate 'a e founga Pule'anga. Now, Barabbas is actually a representative of a power system (hangee pee ko e kau fakafa'afa'ahi politikale) he ko hono puke 'o fakahuu pilisone ko 'ene taki mai 'ene ki'i kau angatu'u ki he pule 'a Loma. The Jews (quietly) supported those guys (Barabbas and the like), but when the Romans exercise their power and crush these political protest, they (quietly) walk away waiting for the next one.

When Jesus appear on the scene, they thought ... hey .. this guy may be the one, since he shows signs of it! But then Jesus, started to tell mo fakamatala 'a e anga 'o e Pule'anga 'oku "tu'i" ai, ne 'ikai mahino - Why? because people are used to rule by sword, by guns, by hanging protesters on a cross ... etc.

Desmond Tutu understand this. Gahndi of India unstood this ... etc. And look at what these men do to their countries!

[Sione M. Veituna]

Ueee, kataki atu, 'asinga kuo ke delete e koe e konga me'a ne u fakalave ki ai, ka neu 'uhinga au kihe kaau-po'uli 'a si'i Pailato felave'i mo e identity o Sisu! pea tu'unga ai 'eku velo atu e lea pe ko ena 'a Sisu ko e me'a fakalaumalie (ilo'i 'o Sisu) 'oku ilo fakalaumalie pe ia (meaning) unless and until the Spirit reveals it to you. anyway, ta oku ou talanoa atu au he ilo'i 'o Sisu ka mou talanoa pule'anga (mafai/power) moutolu,

fa'o atu ena ha taha ki he feitu'u oku tonu ke alu ai,

malo
Nanga

Ues

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From: tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 11:32:29 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009

[Akapei Ma'ilei]

 Sami said :

 

 

Koe fehu'i 'oku ke fai, pe OKu 'iai ha'o totonu keke malu'i 'a Sisu ..

 

'oke Malu'i fefee 'a Sisu ? Kapau ko Pita ee ne oho ke malu'ii pea ta'ofi 'e Sisu ..

 

 Pei,  Ko Sisu kene malu'i " Koe mo Au,, 'oku 'ikai kotautolu ke malu'i 'a Sisu ..

 

.. sami

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Malo  Sami,

 

'Oku  ke  mo'oni  he  ko e  fo'i  mo'oni  mahino mo  maheni  peia ko  Sisu  'oku ne  fai  hotau malu'i. 'O  anga  fefe ? Laumalie  pe matangi ?

 

He  'oku  ou  kohu  peau  ko  'eku  tali  'a  Sisu  (kaunga'ea& mafai )  ai  peau  ia . 'E  lava  pe  keu  nima pe  va'e  'o Sisu hange  ko  'ete  kau  ki  hono  siasi (sino  hamai 'i  mamani). Pea  koau (ha kalisitiane pe ) leva  teu  fkhoko  e ngaue 'a  Sisu (malu'i, malanga, fkmo'uimahaki,tokoni etc...)pe  faka Sisu  Kalaisi  'i  mamani  'o  fktatau  ki  hono finangalo(folofola) 'o  fai'aki  'a e  ivi  hono  Laumalie  Ma'oni'oni(foaki mai). Kae 'oleva  ke  foki  mai 'a King  Jesus.

 

 

 

Malo  e  fkmaama  Nanga  pea  ko ia  peia,hala hoku  'atamai toe  hala mo e tukufuhu .  ka  'e  toe  tokoni mai  kiate  au ha'amo  toe  fakamaama  mai  mo  Sami  'a  'eku ma'u  ko  'ena  ka  'oku  hala pea  fai ha  fktomala he  'oku  sai  pe  ko e  fai  ta'e'ilo.

Mo kataki  teu  fu'u  fiefia  kemo  tokoni  mai  'a  'eku  ma'u  ko  'ena  .

 

 

 

 

 

[penisimani mone]

2009/11/18 seni taniela <seni...@yahoo.com.au>

Vilimo,

..Ko e fehu'i 'oku ou tui te ta feinga ke tekolo'i mei he text e Sapatee Why don't we submit?? Mahino 'oku ai lack of motivation pee ko e ma'uhala fekau'aki mo e Tu'i etc. 

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'Oku ou tui ki ho'o lave ko iaa, Seni, pea ko e laine tata'o nai ia te mo 'ohofi mo Vilimoo he Sapate na, 'a e submission of the hearers to Christ as our/their King.

 

1) Mahu'inga kiate au ho'o tomu'a fai 'anenai ange 'a e vetee ke fakatonutonu mei he text/author's intention ha ma'uhala 'a e kau fanongoo ki he 'uhinga 'o e Tu'i ko enii (Ko hoku pule'angaa 'oku 'ikai 'o e maama ko enii..v.36), he 'oku lolotonga nofo mai foki kinautolu mo 'enau takitaha a'usia kau ki ha tu'i, tokua te na faitatau mo e Tu'i ko eni te mo tu'uakii 'o tupu ai ha'anau so what? Ka lava ia, pea kuo kamata leva ke ngatootoo 'a e ngaahi matanikolo 'o e loto 'o e kau fanongoo, he kuo ngali hala 'ha'anau ma'u kau ki he Tu'i ko enii, 'a e Tu'i ko eni 'oku 'ikai tau ha'ane kau 'ofisa ke ta'ofi hono tukuange ia ki ha'a Siuu. Ka neongo ia, ko e ako tohitapu pe nai eni ia, kiate au. Kuo ngali te'eki fai ha malanga ia.

 

2) Ko e konga nai eni 'oku ke 'uhinga ki ai 'i 'olungaa, Seni, 'a e fakaloto'i'aki (persuation/motivation/appropriation/application?) e Folofola mei 'aneafi ko iaa ha taha he 'aho ni ke ne tali ke Tu'i 'a Sisu 'i he'ene/he'etau mo'ui....proclamation, I think, is a form of persuation, koloaa ke faifai pea mo tata'o lotokolo, ke tau hear the Word and then submit, pea 'oku mahino te mo 'ahi'ahi maul, box, paasifakalaka, seti loloto pe mamaha, etc..ko e malangaa (proper) nai ia kiate au. Mahino he'ikai ko mo ua pe 'e malangaa, ka mo e 'Otua foki (Prov 16:1)..pea ko e win over of souls through such human  karisma to kingship of Christ is of God alone, in God's own good time...ko ia, 'oua 'e tuku e teuteuu, Seni, "He ko e teuteu 'o e lotoo 'oku 'a e tangataa ia, ka ko e tala 'a e 'eleloo mei he 'Eikii."

 

Manatu ai, Seni ki ha fa'a ako malanga 'a Rev Tevita Taasi Kale, 'osi ha fo'i 'aliaki 'a ha taha, pehee mai e faifekauu - "Ko e malanga ni, ko e fo'i ako tohitapu lelei ia, ka na'e 'ikai ha malanga ai..." 'uhinga ia kiate au, ne lelei 'a e fai 'o e vetee 'o mahino 'a e 'uhinga 'o e lesoni ko iaa ki 'aneafi, ka na'e 'ikai fa'a fakaloto'i'aki 'e he taha malanga ko iaa 'a e 'uhinga ko iaa ha taha he 'aho ni ke ne tali hono fekauu...seuke seuke, 'a e Tu'i ni, 'ikai hao ia 'i he Langi, Nofo 'i hotau 'atamai...Loto mo e 'atamai, Ko ho pule'angaa ia, Fokotu'u taloni ai, Tala ai ho fatongia...ko e "indwell" nai ia 'a Talakaii..ko e fakamahalo pe..
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fakapulia

[seni taniela]

Kataki pe Lote, Sami, mo Fakapulia kae fai atu e ki'i talaloto ko eni lolotonga e teuteu malangaa moe 'uhinga 'eku sai'ia he ngaahi fakafehu'i 'a tv mo moe feinga 'a tv pehee mo Misi Kava ke fai ha lave ki he context e talanoaa, neongo na'aku kau he piko'ia he ngaahi post pehe nii he ngaahi mahina kuo hilii.

Ta'u 'eni 'e 24 'ete lotu fehu'i, ta'u 'e 18 'ete malanga hoko.  'I he ngaahi ta'u ko 'enii, ne 'ikai keu lau ha tohi 'a ha taha metotisi tukukehe pee 'a Sione Uesilee mo Alan Walker moe tohi fakahinohino malanga 'a Huluholo ne makatu'unga ai e sivi malanga homau kuongaa!!Lahiange 'eku lautohi he kakai e ngaahi siasi kehee egkau Ingilani, Baptist, Presbyterian etc...

Koe'uhii na'e tanumaki kita he founga ko e talamai ke lau e Folofolaa he 'aho kotoa, 'oua e fakafalala he ngaahi commentary hangee ko e Me'atokoni faka'aho pee Fakafeangai ma'oni'oni pee Namoa etc.. ka te lau pee mo lotu lilo ke tokoni mai e 'Eiki ke 'iai ha'ate 'ausia fakafo'ituitui first hand e Folofolaa (Ko ete taimi Quiet Time pe Time Alone with God).  Pea toe fai moe ako'i mai e founga personal bible study koe Inductive b/study..  Neu a'u ki he tu'unga mahalo pee ko e 'afungi, keu pehee he'ikai teu ongo'i palopalema'ia ka fakafokifaa hano talamai keu malanga he pongipongi sapatee.  Pea ko hono natula e founga ko 'enii, 'oku te vave pee ki he fehu'i "what does this passage mean to me and how can i apply it to my life?"

Ko e palopalema e founga ko 'enii, neongo 'oku ou kei ngaue'aki pee he'eku taimi devotional,...ko eku toho mai ke fai e me'a tatau he taimi malangaa pea fele 'ete fakamalohi'i e passage ki he me'a ne 'ikai 'uhinga ia ki ai....pea teu lava keu pehee ko e teuteu malanga fakapikopiko ia.

Talunga mo e ta'u ni, ko e fuofua tokotaha Metotisi kuou lau peau manako ki he'ene ngaahi tohi ko e faiako 'a Veituna ko e Ben Witherington III.  Pea ko e 'uhingaa pee, ko eku lau hifo e tohi a kakai he ngaahi siasi kehe evangelical conservative 'oku nau quote 'a Witherington pea 'ikai ngata ai ko 'ene 'asi he ngaahi faka'eke'eke he ngaahi kautaha televisione lalahi fekau'aki mo e hisitolia e tohitapu...pea 'oku ai 'ene fakafepaki ki he Bart Ehrman mo e ni'ihi 'oku nau tala 'oku fele 'a e hala he tohitapuu.  Pea ko e taha eni 'ene fale'i 'oku tupunga ai 'eku sai'ia he talanoa 'a tv...Kuo pau ke tau fakafaikehekehe'i e me'a 'e tolu 1) meaning (what the text says) 2) significance ('oku ai e me'a mahu'inga 'oku lea mai e text kiate au ka 'oku makatu'unga e me'a mahu'inga ko ia he 'uhinga e text kapau 'oku tonu 'eku lau ki he 'uhinga e text 3)application...koe fao'i e 'uhinga e text pee 'e lava 'o faka'aonga'i he lolotonga ni, kiate au pea mo e sosaieti 'oku ou 'iai.

 'Oku tatau eni moe lau 'a John Barton o Oxford --meaning must come before application...pea ko e 'aonga ia 'o tv. mo Misi Kava he lave ki he puipuitu'aa...it's hard work.. Mole ke mama'o ha pehee ke te fai ia mei tu'unga malangaa..teu fai ia he personal study...pea 'e tokoni ia ki he apply totonu e Folofolaa. Pea koe fale'i 'a Barton, koe fatongia e bible scholar 'oku hangee ha tour guide ke tataki kitautolu ki he ngatangata'anga(parameter) e 'uhinga e text he original context before assessing its applicability in our context.  Pea pehee 'e Barton 'oku ai e tau'ataina 'e ua he vaha'a e exegesis moe application 1) freedom of the text from the interpreter 2) freedom 'o e interpreter kene fakafehu'i e me'a ne 'ikai a'u kiai e visone 'a e text.

Hangee 'oku fai e tokanga ki he fakafaikehekehe'i e ako tohitapu mo e malangaa, pea kou manatu ki hono tafulu'i au he pakipaki 'i USP 'ehe tangata faiako siasi ne konaa holo 'i Fisi he'en talamai 'oku 'ikai ko ha ako tohitapu e malangaa pea mo e pakipakii etc.  Peau talaange mahalo ki he metotisi ko e topical preaching pee ka kia au 'oku 'iai e malanga vete (expository preaching) 'oku lahi ngaue'aki 'ehe kau papitaiso eg. Chuck Swindoll mo Chuck Smith na'a ne papi 'a e tu'i moe kuinii 'i Soatani he 95 nai.  'Oku 'ikai keu favor e founga ko 'enii

Kaikehe ko e 'uhinga e post looloa ko e faka'ai'ai e talanoa he text pea tau toki fa'iteliha hono apply mo hono faka'aonga'ii pea kole atu ka ai ha taha te ne fakatokanga'i 'oku hee mama'o 'eku interpret e Folofolaa he talanoa 'a Sisu mo Pailato pea ke lingi mai, teu loto ke liliu ka 'uhinga malie kiate au ho'o ngaue mai'aki e Folofolaa eg.  'Oku 'uhinga malie kiate au e argument a tv...pea teu feinga ke vakai'i ia kimu'a

Kou tui ka fakataha e intellect (faka'aonga'i e biblical criticism) mo heart devotion to God, pea prayerfully humble ourselves before the Word 'e powerful e malangaa.

Ko 'eku fuofua malanga eni 'oku ou feinga ke kumi "what the text says/said" before I jumb in and add "what the text says to me" and I pray it will touch my heart first etc. kimu'a pea fai e malangaa..pea 'oku fai e lotu ke 'oua te te 'afungi mo fiepoto mei he tu'unga malangaa moe mole taimi e kakaii mo fakatupu houhau ka ke faka'ataa 'a e Laumalie ke lea ki he kakai 'iate kitautolu 'i ha'atau tofatonu e Folofolaa

I think teuteu malanga is hard work...and we have to do our homework prayerfully ke 'oua na'a tau 'afungi pee te tau faka'uhinga hala e Folofolaa.

kaikehe 'ofa atu

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From: penisimani mone <peni...@gmail.com>
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tue, 17 November, 2009 11:44:38 PM

Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009

[seni taniela]

From: penisimani mone <peni...@gmail.com>

 

Manatu ai, Seni ki ha fa'a ako malanga 'a Rev Tevita Taasi Kale, 'osi ha fo'i 'aliaki 'a ha taha, pehee mai e faifekauu - "Ko e malanga ni, ko e fo'i ako tohitapu lelei ia, ka na'e 'ikai ha malanga ai..." 'uhinga ia kiate au, ne lelei 'a e fai 'o e vetee 'o mahino 'a e 'uhinga 'o e lesoni ko iaa ki 'aneafi, ka na'e 'ikai fa'a fakaloto'i'aki 'e he taha malanga ko iaa 'a e 'uhinga ko iaa ha taha he 'aho ni ke ne tali hono fekauu...seuke seuke, 'a e Tu'i ni, 'ikai hao ia 'i he Langi, Nofo 'i hotau 'atamai...Loto mo e 'atamai, Ko ho pule'angaa ia, Fokotu'u taloni ai, Tala ai ho fatongia...ko e "indwell" nai ia 'a Talakaii..ko e fakamahalo pe..
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Malo Fakapulia

Ko e lau mo'oni 'ena moe fakatokanga he 'oku lahi e mo'ua ai e kau malangaa pea 'oku tatau e lau 'a Taasi mo e lau 'a John Stott mei he Ingilanii, "Ko e tokolahi e kau malanga 'oku fakamoleki e peseti 90 honau taimi malanga he talanoa how much they know of the text before they preach."  Ko e taimi tokanga(attention span) 'a e kakai 'oku nounou fau pea mahu'inga ete fakapapau'i we hold their attention pea 'oku ai e ni'ihi 'oku malanga topical kae fakasino expository mai e malangaa pea tangulu e kakaii ia 'oku te'eki ke a'u atu e fekauu ia...pea taimi lahi ko 'etau 'afungi pee 'o fai e fu'u fakamatala looloa...koe taimi malangaa most people have a need/problem and they need answers from us/Word.

Pea 'oku mo'oni e fakatokanga 'a Lote ke simple e malangaa...ka 'oku ou tui 'e lava lelei eni kate fai lelei'i 'ete homework...ke simple pee kae mahino ko e konga stake kae'oua e simple kofu pongoo mo e mole taimi e 'Eikii pea mo hono kakaii he fanongo malangaa!!!

'ofa atu

[seni taniela]

From: penisimani mone <peni...@gmail.com>T

2) Ko e konga nai eni 'oku ke 'uhinga ki ai 'i 'olungaa, Seni, 'a e fakaloto'i'aki (persuation/motivation/appropriation/application?) e Folofola mei 'aneafi ko iaa ha taha he 'aho ni ke ne tali ke Tu'i 'a Sisu 'i he'ene/he'etau mo'ui....proclamation, I think, is a form of persuation, koloaa ke faifai pea mo tata'o lotokolo, ke tau hear the Word and then submit, pea 'oku mahino te mo 'ahi'ahi maul, box, paasifakalaka, seti loloto pe mamaha, etc..ko e malangaa (proper) nai ia kiate au. Mahino he'ikai ko mo ua pe 'e malangaa, ka mo e 'Otua foki (Prov 16:1)..pea ko e win over of souls through such human  karisma to kingship of Christ is of God alone, in God's own good time...ko ia, 'oua 'e tuku e teuteuu, Seni, "He ko e teuteu 'o e lotoo 'oku 'a e tangataa ia, ka ko e tala 'a e 'eleloo mei he 'Eikii."

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Malo Peni e fakamaama. 

Hei'ilo pee 'e fai ha tui tatau mo tv ki he appropriate e text ki he'etau pehee ke tau tali 'a Sisu ki he'etau mo'ui since the context is about power...fakatonutonu mai tii...ka ko e interpret ta'econtext pee eni tii!!! Hangee ko e taimi koee fehu'i 'a Sisu kia Pailato ko e me'a eni mei a koe pee ko ho'o fanogo talanoa pee...it seems He is inviting pilate to converse with Him, to find out the truth about Him from Jesus Himself....2)pehee atu a Pailato "I don't know...i'm not a Jew...etc. you tell me what you did....why you are here?"

'Oku ou tui mei he text ne 'iai e tokanga moe 'ofa 'a Sisu kia Pailato as an individual ...Jesus seems to entice Pilate to pursue true truth and just justice through submission to Him...ko e mahalo pee mei he text....Jesus cared about the system as much as the individual he conversed with.  it does not contradict the overarching theme ko 'ena tv 'oku ke fakama'ala'ala maii( i think).

Kapau ko e hoko mai e "His Kingdom" to merge with this world "kingdom" ke fai e fakafo'ou (bring beauty from the ugliness of sin), to establish a relationship, to bring justice, it has to deal with sin...therefore the text seems to deal both with Pilate as an individual and the system in which he operates.  Pea 'e fakatou'aonga pee text ki he individual, church, and politics.

Ne mei feefee nai kapau na'e nofo a Pailato o fakafanongo ki ha tali a Sisu pee feinga ke submit to truth since he (Pilate) was supposed to exercise justice?

Kaikehe malo tv., e fakatalanoa mai ke fao'i e fakakaukauu ki he momona e text e uike ni.

 

[tv]

Malo Seni mo Fakapulia e talanoa malie. Mo kataki 'oua 'e fu'u fakatokanga'i mai 'emau tafa'aki he ko e laku atu pe eni ia te'eki lava he lotu fehu'i pee aa. Mahino pe foki ko 'etau lau e Tohitapu (as Tongans or Tongan Americans or Tongan Kiwis or plastic Tongans) 'oku faka'esia 'ehe ngaahi assumptions that are deep within those culture. Hangee koe lave 'a Seni, it is probably important then to make sure we read the whole Bible (for all its worth - and not just the bit that's important to you at this moment), he 'e subverge eventually when you get to Revelation pea tene 'oatu/'omai e worldview 'oku 'uhinga ki ai the whole narrative of the Bible!

Ko e me'a malie eni ongotama: 'oku ou tui 'oku faingata'a ke 'omai e kosipeli ko ee - 'o e fakamo'ui mahaki, ngaahi mana, the parables, feasting with sinners and all that - on the one hands. And on the other it is easy enough ke fakamatala why Jesus died on the cross to save us from sin. But in all honesty, we have to admitt we cannot (or find it very difficult) to put these two together!

The christian traditions has not been very good at bringing these two together. Ko e me'a eni 'oku hoko - ko 'etau 'oange 'a e ngaahi mana, ngaahi fakamo'ui mahaki, feasting with sinners, calling of disciples; to go in one direction. And the attonement theology - and that's how we get saved - to go in one direction. Bringing these two together? The church historically find this a huge and difficult tasks.

Seni, I like the personal challenge (malanga?), and I don't think I disagree with it. I am finding it more and more comfortable to deal with he talu ho'o take it up to explain and reason on it (over the years). But text like this week just takes me back ki he personal attonement is within a much more richer and bigger gospel.

I see you have just sent a good post. i'll have a read digest, fakalaulauloto (mo e pu'i 'a e hoa), ka e toki hoko atu!

[Vilimo Fakalolo]

Fakamalo atu ki he ngaahi vahevahe kotoa pe kuo a'u mai fekauaki moe lesoni
oe sapate ni, pea oku fu'u tokoni lahi mo fakamaama foki kihe teuteu oku
fai, kae kehe koe toe eni ia kiate au keu fakamaopopo lelei ae ngaahi
tokoni.

Vilimo

[penisimani mone]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:23 AM, tv <ti.va...@gmail.com> wrote:

Seni, I like the personal challenge (malanga?), and I don't think I disagree with it. I am finding it more and more comfortable to deal with he talu ho'o take it up to explain and reason on it (over the years). But text like this week just takes me back ki he personal attonement is within a much more richer and bigger gospel.
I see you have just sent a good post. i'll have a read digest, fakalaulauloto (mo e pu'i 'a e hoa), ka e toki hoko atu!

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tv, ke kei 'a'alo pe he fu'u vaka ni? fakafeta'i aipe koe'uhi ko kimoua, sai pe he 'oku ngali kei fanongo mai pe 'a Vilimoo.

Feefee eni ongo tama. Kapau 'e fakapekia 'a e author kae 'ata'ataa 'ene text, mahalo ko e meaning leva is significance, pea 'e ala toho leva mei ai ke 'uhinga ki he 'aho ni ki ha me'a pe, politics, pe church, pe family, anything of significance pe. Ka 'okapau 'e kei fakamo'ui e author (St John?), pea mahalo te ne fakangatangata mai 'e ia 'ene context (Jn 20:30&31)..the whole gospel is not about any significance..its about ke tau tui, about a Christ and a Son (and a King?), about personal attonement...pea hangee kiate au ko 'etau ala atu pe ki he tohi 'a e 'Ikalee ha taimi, 'e tomu'a taa'i e nota ia ko iaa ke mahino...na'a lelei ke tau lau'aki e Kosipeli ni 'aki 'a e matasio'ata ko ia? Ko e fakamahalo pe foki eni, Seni.

 

Lau pe 'e au 'a e text mo faka'ofa'ia 'ia Pailato (he ko au 'ataa pe ia) 'i he'ene feinga holo ha me'a ke tukuange ai 'a Sisu he 'oku ne tonuhia fakalao Loma, kae 'ikai pe te ne lava, pea u tangane'ia 'ia Sisu 'i he'ene kei feinga ke fakamo'ui ha taha neongo ko e matee ena..'aaah, he toki Tu'i mo'oni...the Christ and Son of God, yet content to be crucified to save any faithful, ko e truth nai ia? Lau heni ha ta'etui pea ne kata, lau heni ha tui pikitai pea ne tali - "Luva e sino ni, Sisu ke ke fa'iteliha ki ai, lii ki 'uta, pe tahi, pe 'ana lapila fekai, Seni ee, 'isa, pehee 'e au ko 'etau oo eni tv 'o kaime'akai 'i Uooleva. Masi'i, tau kei sunday school kotoa pe.

 

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fakapulia

[tv]

Malo Peni e fakamaama. 

Hei'ilo pee 'e fai ha tui tatau mo tv ki he appropriate e text ki he'etau pehee ke tau tali 'a Sisu ki he'etau mo'ui since the context is about power...fakatonutonu mai tii...ka ko e interpret ta'econtext pee eni tii!!! Hangee ko e taimi koee fehu'i 'a Sisu kia Pailato ko e me'a eni mei a koe pee ko ho'o fanogo talanoa pee...it seems He is inviting pilate to converse with Him, to find out the truth about Him from Jesus Himself....2)pehee atu a Pailato "I don't know...i'm not a Jew...etc. you tell me what you did....why you are here?"

'Oku ou tui mei he text ne 'iai e tokanga moe 'ofa 'a Sisu kia Pailato as an individual ...Jesus seems to entice Pilate to pursue true truth and just justice through submission to Him...ko e mahalo pee mei he text....Jesus cared about the system as much as the individual he conversed with.  it does not contradict the overarching theme ko 'ena tv 'oku ke fakama'ala'ala maii( i think).

Kapau ko e hoko mai e "His Kingdom" to merge with this world "kingdom" ke fai e fakafo'ou (bring beauty from the ugliness of sin), to establish a relationship, to bring justice, it has to deal with sin...therefore the text seems to deal both with Pilate as an individual and the system in which he operates.  Pea 'e fakatou'aonga pee text ki he individual, church, and politics.

Ne mei feefee nai kapau na'e nofo a Pailato o fakafanongo ki ha tali a Sisu pee feinga ke submit to truth since he (Pilate) was supposed to exercise justice?

Kaikehe malo tv., e fakatalanoa mai ke fao'i e fakakaukauu ki he momona e text e uike ni.

 

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Seni, I think we are starting to come together, although it is a very very messy track ke fai hano fakatokatoka fakalelei. Manatu, ko 'eku feinga pe eni ia 'a'aku ke talatalanoa he a'usia ne ne transform my theological journey - from concentrating on the personal to where the personal actual exist within.

Seni, sai he 'oku ke manako he lau tohi. Walter Wink ha s alot of works regarding power; Engaging Powers, Unmasking The Powers, The Powers That Be - he writes from years of working as a missionary and in particular in reconciliation at places where civil wars tear communities apart. And the most profound thing he discover - "invisible principality & power"; behind every powerful government, powerful organizations, huge human institutions and orgainisations there are invisible and shadowy power structures that are generated and sustained within the world we live in.

Unless we understand and deal with this reality, and realises this invisible power and perhaps do business with it, we cannot change the way the world is. Na'e ha'u 'a Sisu ki mamani ke ha? Jesus came to change the way the world is. Ko e big picture eni 'oe polave 'a Pailate & Sisu! The clash between the two kingdom. And Jesus came to establish this kingdom here on earth! He didn't come to tell us to just hang on till the next life and we go into the kingdom! I think he (Jesus) actually want to see us part of this movement (a personal conviction - a personal committment to be part of this course!)

'A ia ko ho'omo (Seni & Fakapulia) 'oku hangee kiate au ko e me'a ia 'oku mo 'uhinga ki ai? Jesus is establishing a kind of way to live as a group of people. But first, we must understand what its looks like to do "power". We probably have to go back to Mark 10 - " the gentiles lord it over their properties .... but not so with you! whoever wants to be first must be last ... etc ...". Kaikehe, foki mai kia Sisu & Pailate.

I think Jesus was quiet he na'e 'ikai pee ha toe 'utu 'e hakea! Whatever he says, Pilate would not understand it. Pilate as a person is vulnerable because the only truth, the only justice, the only peace he knows 'a ee mei Loma. My point is: How is he going to be saved when he (Pilate) exists in this system (power structure?). The only truth, justice, peace ... etc; his worldview is shaped by the empire, the Roman power structure?

Again, we need to read on the whole Bible for all its worth. Because if we stop at St John, we could possibily miss the richer gospel (ka ko au pe foki ia).

I feel the church need to be challenged about how to do "power". Like Prof Walter Wink; unless we deal with the power behind institutions, we cannot change the way the world is.

[Lote]

Ma'ananga,

Hehehe si'i e mei 'a kaunga'api he fu'u fo'i kata foo lahi...

Me'a na'a ku pehe atu au "tangata'eiki" pea tolo au ia ha taha
heni..hehehe

On Nov 17, 11:24 pm, "Sione M. Veituna" <sveit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lote,
>
> ko ho 'uhinga kuo malanga 'a Ikamafana, mo Maumautaimi, he he he, ko hai e ongo tamaiki oku malanga, ha ha ha ha ha
>
> cheers
>
> ________________________________

> From: Lote <svtu...@gmail.com>

> To: Tasilisili-he-ngaluope <tasil...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 2:22:09 PM
> Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009
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> Talamonu atu ki he ongo tamaio’eiki ‘oku ‘amanaki malanga he Sapate
>
> Fakamanatu meia John Wesley – "SIMPLE MESSAGE FOR PLAIN PEOPLE"
>
> On Nov 17, 3:59 pm, "Sione M. Veituna" <sveit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Vaikona,
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> > mo'oni e lea, ko e me'a fakalaumalie 'e ilo fakalaumalie pee, ikai ko ia?
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: tv <ti.vaik...@gmail.com>
> > To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 11:37:17 PM
> > Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009
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> >  I mentioned this exchange between Jesus & Pailate he ko e underlying theology tatau pee - It is about doing power in this world! POWER. The new sets of power structure (kingdom - pule'anga) 'oku ha'u mo e tama ko eni ko Sisu. And how John & James didn't understand, how the public (Jews) didn't understand, and now how Pilate hasn't a clue!
>

> > Perhaps, the big questions is - Do we (the church) understand? How does it work?- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

[Lote]

Seni & Fakapulia,

Should I say AMEN!!!! - AGREE with you two.

I am always inspired by Billy Graham. Though he has a doctorate in
Theology but he ALWAYS preached SIMPLE messages pea ko hono ola - he
led thousands and thousands of people to the Lord he ki'i fo'i malanga
pe taha.

You're right Seni - mahu'inga ke 'omi e kong steak kae 'oua ko e haka
siaine kili. I read somewhere ko 'ete ki'i vete he malanga ke 'oua
na'a laka he miniti 'e 5 - maximum. Pea 'oua foki na'a ngalo e founga
fa'a fai 'e Sisu - using parables..I'm always interested he talateu
mai ha'a taha ha'ane malanga 'aki ha ki'i fo'i talanoa fa'a ui he'e
kau palanga ko e ice breaker. Te te ma'u ai e attention e kau fanongo
- ko 'ene ma'u ko ia 'enau tokanga, pea tuku'i atu leva ho'o fo'i vete
(development) - lolotonga pe kamata kenau bored ho'o vete kuo ke
tuku'i mai fo'i kakano ho'o malanga (body). Lolotonga pe 'enau
malie'ia he feast he fu'u konga steak kuo ke teuteu pea tuku'i atu
leva e dessert (conclusion-fakama'opo'opo) - life applicable) pea ko
'ete 'Emeni pe tenau toutou faka'amu ke toe fanongo ki ha'ate
malanga.

PREACHERS - REMEMBER TO SPEAK THE LISTENERS' LANGUAGE....anga pe ki'i
fakamanatu mei falehanga.

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[tv]

Kataki, ko e 'atunga e faka'ehi'ehi mei he tohi loloa incase it gets too tedious to read. Pea mahalo 'oku ai 'ene ta'emahino he feinga summarise.

Kapau ko e feinga ke connect e truth, kingdom, and freedom, 'oku lelei nai ke lau e text ko eni as a clash of power systems? Manatu ko e uike faka'osi eni 'o e mo'ui 'a Sisu. And what has been happening? Ko e fetakai ko eni 'a Sisu 'i Selusalema pea mo e kau Taki Lotu, pea nau tafoki hake eni 'o mio'i atu mo Pailate (ko e fakafofonga 'o e mafai pule Loma), ke fakafepaki'i 'aki 'a Sisu! Fakafepaki'i 'a hai? Jesus. And what was Jesus trying to do? Jesus was trying to get people to follow his party (kingdom).

Ko e faingata'a ko e fa'ahinga founga pule 'oku maheni ai e kakai (both the Jews & Pilate). They wanted a revolution (like the so many before Barabbas too!). The Jews wanted Jesus to be like one of these leaders! Confuse 'a Pailate ia - this guy (Jesus) has some hold on people, but then the Jews leaders (kau lotu) are arguing for his death!

Seni, I think you raised a very good point earlier about preaching for Tongans: quote -

Lahi e ngaahi malanga ko e fakamahino pee kaveinga e mahinaa mei he text eg.  Ta pehee te ta fakamahino ko Sisu ko e Tu'i mei he text pea lava ke ta ngata ai pee.  Kapau te ta fakatokanga'i, 'oku 'ikai ko ha palopalema ia ki he kakai Tongaa ke nau tui ko e Sisu ko e Tu'i.  Ko e fo'i mo'oni ko iaa kuo tuki mo nonofo ia ki he loto e Tongaa talu hotau fa'ele'i...Ko e fehu'i 'oku ou tui te ta feinga ke tekolo'i mei he text e Sapatee Why don't we submit?? Mahino 'oku ai lack of motivation pee ko e ma'uhala fekau'aki mo e Tu'i etc. 

Ko e momeniti pee 'eta fakahaa e kaveinga "KO SISU KO E TU"I" kuo pehee mai e kakai "So what?? We already know it...we believe it..."  Pea te nau pehee mai what will I get of this?? Mahino 'oku ai lack of motivation mo kitaua 'i he'etau 'ilo pee ko e Tu'i, ka e 'ikai ke tau fietukulolo pe fiemuimui....'ikai ke excited e kakaii ki he 'Otuaa pea hoko lotuu ko e fatongia pee mo e paasipooti pee ki he mo'ui kaha'uu...

But I want to perhaps expand on this (if you allow me). Jesus to be king and indwells in our heart has to mean something to the hearers, (you say). This is how I want to make the text means to me;

If we like Jesus to be king (it has to be like G5), of our political party (although that's probably too loaded a phrase). Teu pehee 'e au ko e challenge leva mei ha malanga - How do we live out the way of the party Jesus leads? The church is called to be the party to live out this whole new system that Pilate would never understand, that the Jews religious leaders don't want to accept, John & James (mei he kosipeli 'o e ngaahi uike kuo 'osi) didn't get it.

Unless we take the text this way, I fear the church is in danger of not getting it right. Vakai ki he hisitolia - (Crusaders, Inquisition comes to mind). And how many times the church gets it wrong in our days? I did mention Demond Tutu (and his work against apartheid in Sth Africa. Ghandi understood this in his nonviolent resistance to the colonial British power.

For Jesus and his party (church) to change the world we as the party have to live the kingdom rules/values/ways! What are they? As church members, we help each other, we serve each other, when we are mocked we get on our knees and pray ... etc. Why? Because Jesus did it himself. Because Jesus live this truth. Because he because a ransom in pace of many!

This is the revolutionary ways of the new kingdom that Pilate would never understand. Why would Pilate never understand? Because the only truth, the only way to rule, the only juistice, is that by a sword and a cross. That the Jews don't understand and may be do not want to accept, and John & James didn't get. My kingdom is not from this world (ie, it's not like the kind of power structure you are use to), but it is for this world!

To establish God's kingdom on earth as it is in heaven, we learn from Desmond Tutu, we learn form Ghandi. How is the Tongan church dealing wiht power? Do we become last, or do we allow the culture to dictate how we do church? do we serve each other or do like having power! Pilate to Jesus - do you know I have the power to release you? Jesus to Pilate - not over me, unless it was given you from above!

[tv]

Mo'oni ho'o lau ki he tali 'a Pailate - "what is truth?" - Pilate the first post-modernist? Faingata'a ke tali e fehu'i ko eni he 'aho ni he 'oku lahi e ngaahi fakamatala ki he mo'oni! But to challenge the church to hang on to Jesus' truth is our job, he fai hotau fatongia malanga. 'Ikai ko ia?

Because Jesus did it. Why did Jesus do it? He did it to save you and me! So, wouldn't it be our job to encourage, to chalenge, to inspire each other in the church to do it for Jesus? Because he went through being mocked, being spat at, being neglected, and got hung up on a Roman cross. He went through all these because he - Jesus- hung on to the truth, to God's truth.

How does this vocation of living out this truth, this new ways of the new kingdom, of the new government system Jesus is trying to tell Pilate. How does it look like? Jesus said to John and James - the cup that I drink you will drink, and the baptism that I will get you will be baptised too. Yes, those are our vocation!

At the start of his gospel John talked about God's glory. Off-course, the miracles, the healing, the profound teaching Jesus did shows God's glory. But the climax of John's writing was - You lift me up, and I'll draw the whole world to me! What does this means? Jesus hanging (lifted up) on a cross is our vocation too! That is the glory the church (you & I personally)  is challenged to take up! Jesus' invitation to Pilate would sounds like - would you come along with me? But off-course Pilate would never have got it! But you & I should get it.

Our glory is not through he polepole he ikuna'i ha ngaahi fu'u ngaue  ma'ongo'onga kuo lava. The church is decorated with glory throughout history when it takes time to pray (Jesus did), when it does not use violent (Jesus didn't), when it serve desprate communities (Jesus went out his way to do this). That is the glory you and I are challenged to take up! Ohh ... those are a very different kind of glory form what the world normal sees as glory.

--
"Pea u fie fai 'alaa, He sipinga na'a ke taa"

[tino tahitu'a]

malie malie e talanoa pea malo aipe THavea e malanga faka'ofo'ofa he TV mo mahino'ae malanga ki he tangilaulau totonu ki he 'Otua...

Ta ne'ine'i hoko mai'a Samiuela ko e Palofita 'iloa ko hono fai 'o mo'oni e talanoa(lilingi) ki he 'Otua

 

malo e talanoa...siosio pe

tc

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From: Akapei Ma'ilei <aka...@hotmail.com>

To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 12:32:06 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] KO SISU KO E TU'I .


 

From: pak...@yahoo.com.au

Sami  Pakofe  said :

 

 

"pea tene Pule mau'aipe 'o Ta'engata, Tu'i oe Ngaahi Tu'i Ma'uaipe, Ma'u aipe 'o Ta'engata" .

 

 

Koe konga mahu'inga taha 'eni kiate au, koe hanga 'e Sisu 'o Fakapapau'ii kia Pailato pea ki Mamani,,, "OKU 'IKAI KOHONO PULE'ANGA 'A mamani ,,, kOHONO pULE'ANGA 'OKU 'IKAI KOHA PULE'ANGA KE PULE'II FAKA-KAU TAU PE MAFAI FAKATANGATA, ka koe pUle'anga 'oe " PULE" pea koe PULE 'OE FAITOTONU [ mo'oni ]..

 

KOE vaivai lahi ia 'oe ngaue fakalotu , moe mo'ui 'ae kakai kalisitiane he ngaahi 'aho ni, ko'enau feinga ke nau " MALAU'I " tokua 'a Sisu,,,  pea nau fakafekiki ai pe kohai 'oku mo'oni , pe totonu ma'a Sisu ;;

 

'Oku ako kiate au e Lesoni , kapau 'e Fulihi mai e " Fetukuaki 'ae Kau Siu mo Pailato ihe FEKUMI pe koha'i 'a Sisu ..

 

'oku pehee pe 'etau fai e LOtu he 'Aho ni,,, Ko'etau Fetukuaki pe kOhai 'a Sisu ..

 

Koe Fehu'i oku tonu ketau fai kohai 'a SISU 'IATEKITAUTOLU  pe Kohai 'a Sisu 'ihe 'etau MO'UI ?

 

kapau 'e lava ia, mahalo tetau ilo IAA koe Pule koe TU'i  koe Fakamo'ui 'o mamani,,, koe fakailonga 'oe teu ketau hoko atu kihe " faha'ita'u  HOkomai '" , koe Fakapapau'ii , koe hoko mai " Koe tu'i , koe pule KOE FAKAMO'UI 'o mamani ..

 

koe paki atu pe ,,

 

sami.

 
 
Sami, Kau  ki'i  fakaafe'i  mai  koe moha  taha pe  ki he  tafa'aki  ka e  'ataa e  lesoni  malanga  ia.
 
Malo  e  Paki, Ka  na'e  'omi  'e  Salote 'a e  ngaahi  tokoni  faka'ofo'ofa  'o  fekau'aki  mo e  kehekehe  'o e  malanga mo e ako  tohitapu. 'Aia  'oku  totonu  pe  ketau  toe  fakafaikehekehe'i  'a e  Paki pea  mo e faiako, tokoni pe  fale'i 'a  'ena  'oku  ou  highlight atu  'i  ho'o  tohi. 'Oku  ou  tui  'oku ke  'osi 'ilo  pe  'uhinga e paki .
 
Na'a ku  lau e  ongoongo 'ihe ngaahi 'aho kuo  maliusi'i atu.  na'e  hanga  'ehe  taki  'o Lipia ko  Kenolo  Katafi 'o  totongi  'a e tamaiki fefine  tokolahi ki he  fu'u  loki  'i he  hotele 'i  Itali. Tufa  'enau  tohi mosilemi , 'ange  mo  'enau pa'anga pea  ko  hono  fakaloloma  na'a ne  tukuaki'i  ko e  Pekia  'a  Sisu  ko e  fo'i  fa'ufa'u  kakaa  pe  ia  mo e  loi .  'Aia  ko  hono  matu'aki  faka'ikai'i  'a e  Tui  Faka Kalisitiane  kaekehe  'oku  hokohoko  atu  pe  'a e ngaue  ia  'a  Katafi he  'oku  lahi  'ene  pa'anga.

 
'Oku  hanga  'e  ho'o  fo'i  paki(?) 'o  ta'ofi  'eku  ngaue  he  'aho ni. 'i he ngaahi  fakakaukau(konga  pe) ko  'eni :
 
Kapau  ko  Sisu  ko e  Tu'i ('ikai  haua,ikai Tonga) 'oku  'iai  ha'aku  totonu  ,  moha  taha tui  tatau  mo  au keu  malu'i  'a  hoku  Tu'i ? 'ikai  tau me'afana.
 

'Ikai  ngata  pe  mei  he ngaahi  ngaue  hange  ko  Katafi ka  koha  toe  ma'unga  tala  kehe mei he Sisu  ko e  Tu'i ?
 
'Oku  ou  faka'amu  pe  teke  toe fakamahino  ange  ho'o  'uhinga  ko  'ena  for  a  start  kae  toki  hoko  atu he  'oku  ou  ta'efiemalie  au  'i he  taimi  pe  kuou  fetaulaki  ai  mo ha  fa'ahinga  ta'emahino  peheni . 
 
Malo e  tokoni  mai.
'Akapei Ma'ilei.
 
     Sotia  'a e  'Eiki.
 
 
 

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[seni taniela]

 tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>

At the start of his gospel John talked about God's glory. Off-course, the miracles, the healing, the profound teaching Jesus did shows God's glory. But the climax of John's writing was - You lift me up, and I'll draw the whole world to me! What does this means? Jesus hanging (lifted up) on a cross is our vocation too! That is the glory the church (you & I personally)  is challenged to take up! Jesus' invitation to Pilate would sounds like - would you come along with me? But off-course Pilate would never have got it! But you & I should get it.

Our glory is not through he polepole he ikuna'i ha ngaahi fu'u ngaue  ma'ongo'onga kuo lava. The church is decorated with glory throughout history when it takes time to pray (Jesus did), when it does not use violent (Jesus didn't), when it serve desprate communities (Jesus went out his way to do this). That is the glory you and I are challenged to take up! Ohh ... those are a very different kind of glory form what the world normal sees as glory.

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Malo tv e fakatalanoa mai he lesonii, tokoni lahi ke fai ha sio ki he big picture...sai'ia 'aupito he konga kia Desmond Tutu mo Gandhi, peheeange mai ne kau ia he tokoni e kau lotuu ki he movement temo 'a Tongaa ke fai e non-violent resistance....kou manatu'i he social science ke kei foomu tolu he laukonga kia Gandhi he non-violent kae 'osi e ta'u 'e fiha e tu'u temo i Tonga moe 'ikai 'asi hake fo'ilea ko iaa mei he kau akoo/kau faiakoo pehee foki mei he kau lotuu...ka ko e fehu'i fekau'aki mo Walter Wink(or as Christians in the Kingdom approach)  pe 'oku 'iai ha matapaa pe faingamalie ki he fakafepaki 'i he tau pee ko e commit pee ke non-violent he levolo kotoa kau ai mo e international relations--pacifism...is there a room where violence can be used to resist evil....hangee ko e lau a Churchill "sometimes evil is needed to be used in order to protect the good???

Fekau'aki moeku pehee hangee ne feinga atu 'a Sisu kia Pailato at personal level eg. accept me as your point of reference for truth and justice ...mea'anii 'e 'ikai justify 'eku taukave ko iaa hangee ko e tuu a Paula he ha'oha'onga 'o Felix...It seems Paul was persuading Felix to have faith in Christ regardless of the existing system??  Neongo e tatau pee 'a Pailato mo Felix hono ta'etali e fakaafe 'a Sisu mo Paula pea e fehu'i leva is it because of the system or its their personal stubborn choice to resist the invitation to life...on the other hand who is that Roman centurion I forgot his name na'e tui ia ki he malanga mahalo 'a Pita ...I forgot....kaikehe, ko e 'ai pee he teu challenge e kakai on two fronts...personal level and on the corporate/community level...

I like the one above about the "glory" ka 'oku ai 'eku tokanga ki he hangee 'oku tau negative ki he langa falelotu as if langafalelotu is evil by itself...I love worshipping in a good falelotu and i like visiting those old catholic churches.  Ko e taha 'eku practice he ngaahi poo Kilisimasi he'eku fa'a alu ki Nomukaa ko e hoko 12 tu'apoo Kilisimasi 'oku ou 'alu ki Falelotu 'o tu'ulutui he loto tu'unga malangaa 'o fai e ki'i lotu lolotonga ko iaa 'oku vanavanaiki mai e hiva Kilisimasi he ngaahi 'apii...Ne 'ikai keu fai pehee he 'osi e afaa e 82 he holo ne fai ai e lotuu moe kalapu he taimi tatau.  I like symbolism and preserving sacred places to point people(believer and unbelievers) to a Higher Being....Kou tui ko e palopalema ko e fakali'eli'aki mo e tokanga e kau taki fakalaumalie ki hono fakamamafa'i ko homou sinoo ko e temipale ia 'oku mahu'inga tahaa ke hoko ia ko e focus e tokangaa pea invest e taimi e kau takii he provide e environment ke tokanga'i e temipale ko iaa...hangee ko e malanga 'a Dr. Palu ne fai ai hono fakaanga'ii...Can the langa falelotu be a part of the new creation!!!using arts etc to bring forth beauty and sacredness can be a part of our act of worship??i just brought that up he'eku manatu'i e lahi e hanga 'ehe kau evangelical o fakaanga'i e langa falelotuu....kae 'ikai fakaanga'i e faifekau he ta'etokanga ki he langa e mo'ui e kakai e siasii eg. na'a mau kole ki he faifekau he siasi Tonga ke 'omi ha seniti ke fai e training retreat ki he youth 'ikai loto ia ki ai..it's wasting of money!!hangee ia osi fe'unga pee fafanga fakalaumalie mei he tu'unga malangaa!!!! kaikehe.mahalo ko ha kaveinga malanga ia ha 'aho..."'AI KE LELEI 'ETAU LOTU HANGEE HA FALELOTUU"!!!!PE 'ULUAKI LOTU 'I HO FALELOTUU(YOUR BODY) KIMU'A PEA KE HA'U KI HE LOTUU

Fai ha feinga ke fai ha fakamaa'opo'opo ka ke hoko atu angee ki he Same moe ngaahi lesoni koee ki he connect more kosipelii kapau oku ai ha feingamalie he oku vave pee taimii

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"Pea u fie fai 'alaa, He sipinga na'a ke taa"

[tv]

ka ko e fehu'i fekau'aki mo Walter Wink(or as Christians in the Kingdom approach)  pe 'oku 'iai ha matapaa pe faingamalie ki he fakafepaki 'i he tau pee ko e commit pee ke non-violent he levolo kotoa kau ai mo e international relations--pacifism...is there a room where violence can be used to resist evil....hangee ko e lau a Churchill "sometimes evil is needed to be used in order to protect the good???

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'Oku ou tui ko e 'uhinga 'a Wink ke tau mahino'i 'a e anga e me'a koe mafai. Pea mei he'ene taukei (experience) 'oku pule'i mo angina e ngaahi organisations (govt, institutions, schools ..etc) 'e he mafai 'oku 'ikai sino (invisible power). Ko e fakataataa eni ne mahu'inga malie ai kiate au e fakamatala 'a Wink; 'oku ou fakalele mo pule he kalapu 'akapulu. ne 'osi 'i ai pee 'eku ngaahi fakakaukau mo 'eku fokotu'utu'u ngaue nai. Hoko ki he lakangaa ne maamaalie 'ene toki mahino kiate au neongo 'oku ou pule, ka 'oku faingata'a fau ke fakahoko e ngaahi me'a 'oku ou fie fai tu'utu'uni ki ai because it isn't that simple. I have alot to consider in order to arrive at a decision.

You end up having pressure from recruitment, from marketing, from admin,  ... etc. And all thesee amount to what Wink describe as invisible powers that is generated and sustained within the world we live. Vakai kihe politiki 'a Tonga. Neongo ne fefeka e kau tama ko ena (Sevele, Fuko ... etc) he teke Temo, ko 'ene 'oange pee mafai kihe kautama ni, 'oku kehe leva e fakamatala ia.

Ne ne pehee ai; unless we deal with this invisible power, unless we do business with this shadowy power, we cannot change the way the world is. Jesus' way is the best option that has been suggested. And that's the point Jesus made to Pilate; if my ways of governing (kingdom) is like any in the world, my supporters would come fight for me. but, my ways is what I explained to John & James when they asked about taking either side of me.

 

Fekau'aki moeku pehee hangee ne feinga atu 'a Sisu kia Pailato at personal level eg. accept me as your point of reference for truth and justice ...mea'anii 'e 'ikai justify 'eku taukave ko iaa hangee ko e tuu a Paula he ha'oha'onga 'o Felix...It seems Paul was persuading Felix to have faith in Christ regardless of the existing system??  Neongo e tatau pee 'a Pailato mo Felix hono ta'etali e fakaafe 'a Sisu mo Paula pea e fehu'i leva is it because of the system or its their personal stubborn choice to resist the invitation to life...

For me, I think the only truth Pilate knew was that handed down by the system. If I was Pilate, would I be brave enough to suddenly give up the set of truths I was born into, I grew up in, the set of values that are now the core of my life? That's pretty risky to give those up, especially when the Jews - religious leaders (Jesus' own family/tribe/own people) urge Pilate that this man (Jesus) is a fraud, a criminal and deserve the extreme of punishment!

Would I (as a Tongan) want to suddenly give up what I am most comfortable in (Tongan truths?) and follow a guy who is being accused of many things, more so, being accused by his own people?

Ko e me'a ia 'oku ou fangatua mo ia - If I am born into this system where this system ingrained in me a set of truth/values, how am I suppose to all of sudden surrender it! Seni, ko e me'a ia 'oku ou poupou ai ki ho'o fa'a talk about leadership 'a Tonga (in govt & in church). That level has to be right! But to be right, we need the right individual in there .... etc. Not only that, but we cannot be too liberal with the text.

We cannot allow individuals to say -so this is my take on it, I feel good about it. that's your take on the text and that's whats relevant to you. so as long as we dont' cross or step on each other's toes, you do that, I do this and be happy! Bibilical truth is way too important. Read the Tasilisili and see how we love to stay peaceful and take home your own truth.

[seni taniela]

 tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>

'Oku ou tui ko e 'uhinga 'a Wink ke tau mahino'i 'a e anga e me'a koe mafai. Pea mei he'ene taukei (experience) 'oku pule'i mo angina e ngaahi organisations (govt, institutions, schools ..etc) 'e he mafai 'oku 'ikai sino (invisible power). Ko e fakataataa eni ne mahu'inga malie ai kiate au e fakamatala 'a Wink; 'oku ou fakalele mo pule he kalapu 'akapulu. ne 'osi 'i ai pee 'eku ngaahi fakakaukau mo 'eku fokotu'utu'u ngaue nai. Hoko ki he lakangaa ne maamaalie 'ene toki mahino kiate au neongo 'oku ou pule, ka 'oku faingata'a fau ke fakahoko e ngaahi me'a 'oku ou fie fai tu'utu'uni ki ai because it isn't that simple. I have alot to consider in order to arrive at a decision.

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Malo tv.

"uhinga nai a Wink ki he power koe ivi 'o e fakapo'uli 'ia Eph. 6 pee ko e ngaahi ideas. theories behind economics, political and religious/theological systems

[seni taniela]

 tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>

Would I (as a Tongan) want to suddenly give up what I am most comfortable in (Tongan truths?) and follow a guy who is being accused of many things, more so, being accused by his own people?

Ko e me'a ia 'oku ou fangatua mo ia - If I am born into this system where this system ingrained in me a set of truth/values, how am I suppose to all of sudden surrender it! Seni, ko e me'a ia 'oku ou poupou ai ki ho'o fa'a talk about leadership 'a Tonga (in govt & in church). That level has to be right! But to be right, we need the right individual in there .... etc. Not only that, but we cannot be too liberal with the text.

We cannot allow individuals to say -so this is my take on it, I feel good about it. that's your take on the text and that's whats relevant to you. so as long as we dont' cross or step on each other's toes, you do that, I do this and be happy! Bibilical truth is way too important. Read the Tasilisili and see how we love to stay peaceful and take home your own truth.

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Malo ti

Ko e mo'oni ena e lave ki he invisible powers behind the systems etc.  and I don't want to undermine the significance of that issue.  Pea 'oku mahu'inga ho'o highlight kuo pau ke a'u e kosipelii ki he system  or powers behind the systems pea kapau 'oku tau feinga ke transform e sosaieti 'ehe Kosipelii kuo pau ke fai e tokanga ki he system pee 'e angafefee hano liliu e sisitemii.  However, highlighting the power of the system should not negate the significance of the individual's personal responsibility that he/she can step out of the system.  It's difficult, but it's not impossible.  Koe'uhi at the end of the day everyone of us was bounded by some sort of system....from the power of darkness to the political, religious, or cultural power of the day.

Interpreting the text by saying that Jesus invites Pilate to consider Him as his personal reference for truth and justice still rightly falls(i think) within the context and the spirit of the text.  Jesus cares about transforming the system as much as he cares about giving the individual an opportunity to step out of the system.  Hangee ko 'ene feinga ke a'u atu kia Siutasi neongo kuo no'otekina 'a Siutasi 'ehe system 'o hono kuongaa.  Ko e me'a tatau moe fakamaau'i 'o Paula e Felix, 'a e witness a Paula fekau'aki pea mo Sisu.

'E ai e 'aho e tu'u a Pailato he 'ao 'o e Tu'i 'o e ngaahi tu'i pea 'e tuli tonuhia he'ene pehee, "Sorry Jesus, its the system" Kou tui e pehee atu a Sisu, "Pailato, I invited you to choose me over the system..."  Pehee atu a Pailato, "It was so difficult" pehee atu a Sisu "It's your call!!!"

Should we say that the whole point of the conversation between Jesus and Pilate is all about "power" without any room to justify that Jesus is also reaching out to the individual (Pilate), then I would charge Jesus guilty for being so heartless and unkind to those who are lost and bounded by the system. 

 It puzzles me when we talk about politics and the kind of system we need to establish.  Is it democracy over monarchy?? if democracy, is it the "republicans" or "democrats" kind of democracy?  Right now, hot debates on Obamacare are going on in US.  Both sides appeal to the Bible.  Republicans believe in free market approach, limited govt.,etc.. 'oku nau tui ki he lau 'a Paula "ko ia 'oku 'ikai ngaue ke 'oua te ne kai."  Democrats believe in equal distribution of wealth, government control etc...and you can eat even you don't work.  Republicans oppose abortion, gay marriage etc...Democrats support those issues.

'I he talanoa 'a Augustine ki he city of God and city of man, 'oku ne fakafaikehekehe'i e ongo system, pea ko e siasii 'oku hangee nai ia ko e fakafofonga pe motolo 'o e city of God.  'I he politikii, 'oku te'eki ai ha pule'anga kuo totally overrule 'ehe Kingdom of God e politikale..hoko pee overlap between the two (city of God and city of man.)  Hoko pee ngaahi fakafo'ou fakapolitikale 'i he uesia 'ehe lotu e politikalee ka 'oku te'eki ai ha pule'anga kuo fakafolofola kotoa hono fakalele e pule'angaa...simply because government is made up of believers and unbelievers to take care of both believers and unbelievers. 

Mahalo kuo hee talanoa ia ka e hangehangee e  fokotu'u 'eku kaveinga KO SISU KO E TU'I 'O PAILATO MO MAMANI KATOA!!

[seni taniela]

 tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>

Would I (as a Tongan) want to suddenly give up what I am most comfortable in (Tongan truths?) and follow a guy who is being accused of many things, more so, being accused by his own people?

Ko e me'a ia 'oku ou fangatua mo ia - If I am born into this system where this system ingrained in me a set of truth/values, how am I suppose to all of sudden surrender it! Seni, ko e me'a ia 'oku ou poupou ai ki ho'o fa'a talk about leadership 'a Tonga (in govt & in church). That level has to be right! But to be right, we need the right individual in there .... etc. Not only that, but we cannot be too liberal with the text.

We cannot allow individuals to say -so this is my take on it, I feel good about it. that's your take on the text and that's whats relevant to you. so as long as we dont' cross or step on each other's toes, you do that, I do this and be happy! Bibilical truth is way too important. Read the Tasilisili and see how we love to stay peaceful and take home your own truth.

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Malo ti

Ko e mo'oni ena e lave ki he invisible powers behind the systems etc.  and I don't want to undermine the significance of that issue.  Pea 'oku mahu'inga ho'o highlight kuo pau ke a'u e kosipelii ki he system  or powers behind the systems pea kapau 'oku tau feinga ke transform e sosaieti 'ehe Kosipelii kuo pau ke fai e tokanga ki he system pee 'e angafefee hano liliu e sisitemii.  However, highlighting the power of the system should not negate the significance of the individual's personal responsibility that he/she can step out of the system.  It's difficult, but it's not impossible.  Koe'uhi at the end of the day everyone of us was bounded by some sort of system....from the power of darkness to the political, religious, or cultural power of the day.

Saying that Jesus invites Pilate to consider Him as his personal reference for truth and justice still rightly falls within the context and the spirit of the text.  Jesus cares about transforming the system as much as he cares about giving the individual an opportunity to step out of the system.  Hangee ko 'ene feinga ke a'u atu kia Siutasi neongo kuo no'otekina 'a Siutasi 'ehe system 'o hono kuongaa.  Ko e me'a tatau moe fakamaau'i 'o Paula e Felix 'a e witness a Paula fekau'aki pea mo Sisu with the truth.

Should we say that the whole point of the conversation between Jesus and Pilate is all about the power, then I would c

[Akapei Ma'ilei]

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Malo tv e fakatalanoa mai he lesonii, tokoni lahi ke fai ha sio ki he big picture...sai'ia 'aupito he konga kia Desmond Tutu mo Gandhi, peheeange mai ne kau ia he tokoni e kau lotuu ki he movement temo 'a Tongaa ke fai e non-violent resistance....kou manatu'i he social science ke kei foomu tolu he laukonga kia Gandhi he non-violent kae 'osi e ta'u 'e fiha e tu'u temo i Tonga moe 'ikai 'asi hake fo'ilea ko iaa mei he kau akoo/kau faiakoo pehee foki mei he kau lotuu...ka ko e fehu'i fekau'aki mo Walter Wink(or as Christians in the Kingdom approach)  pe 'oku 'iai ha matapaa pe faingamalie ki he fakafepaki 'i he tau pee ko e commit pee ke non-violent he levolo kotoa kau ai mo e international relations--pacifism...is there a room where violence can be used to resist evil....hangee ko e lau a Churchill "sometimes evil is needed to be used in order to protect the good???

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Seni mo  tv  fkmafana  e  lautohi  he  fevahevahe'aki  pea 'oku  te  munomuna  pe  ki ha  'aho  'e ikuna  ai  'a e  'Eiki  ko  Sisu Kalaisi 'ihe`feitu'u(level)'o e kau  ma'umafai  'i hotau  fonua 'ofa'anga ko  Tonga.

 

Ko e  mafana  'o e  'aho  ko  'eni  'ihe Ngaue 17:16-32(Paul  in  Athens) 'a  'ene  kamata  fkmo'oni /fkkikihi 'i he falelotu(phase 1) hoko  ki he  maketi(phase 2)  pea  'uoke  nene  a'u  aipe ki Aleopeiko(phase 3). Ko  'etau  lotu  moe  tautapa  'oku  hanga  taha ki he  phase 3 'o Tonga neongo  'oku  fiema'u pe  he  'u  levolo kotoa.

 

Ko e  fo'i  feinga  'a  Paalapasa kenau tau'i 'a e  phase 3  (Rome/'Otua muli ) kanau  toe  tau'ataaina  pe  ke fa'ifa'iteliha siokita  not  God's will (??)

 

Ko  Sisu  tokotaha  pe  'oku  ha'ana  'a e  non  violent. Pea  ko e  non violent  pe  tene  ikuna'i 'a e  phase 3  hotau  fonua  pea  'e  monu'ia  fklukufua  'a e  fonua 'ikai  ha  mole taimi  ke  monomono  mo  faiputu 'iha  maumau.

 

Ko  e  malie  'o e  kau  taki  'o e  Temo  he  'oku  tala 'a e  'ofa  he  mo'oni  mo e  mateaki 'o e  'ofa  fonua ka  ne  te'ekiai pe  fie  ngaue  popula  ha  taha  ia  ma'a e  mo'oni. Hange  ko  Gandhi mo hai fua.

 

Kaikehe  ko e  anga  pe  'o e  mafana noa ka  'oku  'ikai  'aonga  ketau nofonoa mo  anganoa . Fo'i  laumalie  'e  taha tene  fai  e  fu'u  faikehekehe lahi si'otau kakai.  Pea  'oku  fai  ai  e fiefia  mo e  lotu  atu  kihe  malanga  Seni  pehe  foki  ki he  'ofa 'Otua mo e  fonua/ngaohi  kakai  'a e JH,Nasili  mo e  team .

 

 

 

 


 

[seni taniela]

tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>

But when we read the text (John), the Jewish leaders played the political theology very cleverly! How? We have law and Jesus ought to die for claiming he is the Son of God! Kamata ke ilifia 'a Pailate ...
Pilate ask- Where are you from? Jesus - no answer! Pilate: do you know I have the power to free you? Jesus: you have no power over me, unless it is given you from above!
Fai ha feinga to focus in to what the kingdom Jesus is bringing may look like
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Malo tv,

I reread your previous posts and I think I finally got it. 

I will focus on the Kingdom...I'm thinking ke fakakaveinga 'aki e konga lotu e 'Eikii, "THY KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN"...KE HOKO MAI HO'O PULE('ANGA), KE FAI HO FINANGALO 'I MAMANI 'O HANGEE KO IA 'OKU FAI 'I HE LANGI."
Pea teu veesi malanga 'aki e 36

Malo e fakatalanoa.  Tokoni lahi 'aupito.  Ne hee mama'o eku ngaahi post kimu'a.  Ka teu sio pee ai ha tuliki e ala fai ai ha fetaulaki

'Oku ou tui 'oku 'ikai ha palopalema ki he kakai Tonga 'enau tui ko Sisu koe Tu'i pea 'oku lahi hono malanga'i hono ngaahi naunau mo e lelei, ka e mahalo teu focus on giving them what is it like to be a community, a church, and even an individual where Christ is honored to be our king.  Where His Kingdom is realized here and now.  How it will affect politics, church, family, and individual lives...

kaikehe vinanka vaka levu

[Vilimo Fakalolo]

Malo e tau a'u mai kihe uike foou ko eni. Kuo lava lelei ae fatongi oe Sapate  22/11na'e tuunga ai e fakatangi atu. Oku oatu ai pe ae fakamalo kia kimoutolu kotoa pe na'a mou lukuluku mai ho'o mou ngaahi fakakaukau, ilo moe a'usia.  Ikai fai ha lau hingoa na'a to ha niihi pea si'i itengia au.

 

malo aupito

 

Vilimo

 

 

[Salote Tupou]

Malo e ngaue lahi. Pau pe na'e kai pola he siasi he teu na'e fai. Hange ko e lau 'a e punake, '

 

"Oku tau teu 'a e ngoue.

Pea to 'a e pulopula.

Ka 'oku fakaviku he nima he 'Otua.."

 

ko ia 'oku tau 'amanaki lelei na'e fakatoukatea e tutuu'i mo e tanaki.

 

Lote

2009/11/22 Vilimo Fakalolo <vil...@tongafish.gov.to>

[Rev. Sisitoutai Taufa]

Ko e ki'i ongoongo fakamamahi.
Tuku mu'a ke halatu'u atu he 'a e ki'i ongoongo ni he Tali 'e Latu Alo
Fakahua hono ui ma'oni'oni he Tu'apulelulu 'o e uike kuo 'osi pea 'e
tokifai ha lotu fakamavae mo ia he po Falaite 'o e uike ni ki he fale
lotu Uniting Church 'i Top Ryde .Ko ia 'oku fai 'a e fie ongo'i
kaungamamahi mo e faifekau malolo Sione Alo he fakamasiva kuo hoko ki
hono loto fale,pehe ki he faifekau Toketa Mele Koloa mo Valenitina mo
hona ongo famili,he taufa kafakafa ka koe fakakoloa ki si'i Latu he ko
e hu'i mahafu 'o tuku 'a e tau ,kae fai 'a e lava atu ki he Kolo
Ta'engata,'amusia pe si'i kau ikuna kuo nau hao atu ee. Tu'a'ofa ia meia
Sisi T. mo e famili.

Salote Tupou wrote:
> Malo e ngaue lahi. Pau pe na'e kai pola he siasi he teu na'e fai.
> Hange ko e lau 'a e punake, '
>
> "Oku tau teu 'a e ngoue.
> Pea to 'a e pulopula.
> Ka 'oku fakaviku he nima he 'Otua.."
>
> ko ia 'oku tau 'amanaki lelei na'e fakatoukatea e tutuu'i mo e tanaki.
>
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> 2009/11/22 Vilimo Fakalolo <vil...@tongafish.gov.to

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[Manu'atu Talifolau]

Koe ongoongo fkfiefia ia he ikuna ha fatongia, pea malo lahi ia Vilimo he kei ma'u ivi ke kei fakahoko 'a e fatongia totonu pe ke fai, tau fkfeta'I pe ki he 'Otua he tokoni kuo ne fai, 'o tau ikuna ai 'a e uike kuo hili.

Koe fakakoloa lahi 'aupito ki si'I kainga 'o Ma'afu Tukui'aulahi pea moe Hufangalupe 'I he me'aange 'a e Sekelitali lahi 'o e Siaisi ( Rev Dr Tevita Havea ) 'o fakakakato 'a e tukumo'ui 'a e kainga 'o Ma'afu Tukui'aulahi.

Fakamolemole pe na'a taku ko ha 'ate talaihangamai, kae taumai aa ke mou 'ilo'ia mai 'a e fiefia si'I kainga lotu he malanga, pea moe ngaahi lea 'ihe houa 'ilo, na'e fai 'e he sekelitali lahi 'o e Siasi.

'oku 'ikai lava 'e he fkmatala tu'a kuo faii , ke mafakamatala 'a e koloa na'e 'inasi ai 'ae kainga lotu , pea moe Faifekau 'o e Vahe Vaini (Rev Dr Taniela Haunga)
'oku ou kole fakamolemole atu ki he tu'unga kotoa pe na'a kuo te 'ohonoa, pea 'oku te kaaimu'a he ongoongo ko 'eni. ka 'oku fakapuna kita 'e he mafana.makatu'unga he feohi na'e fai moe Sekelitali lahi 'o e Siasi 'i he 'emau katoanga tuku mo'ui, 'o tatau pe he malanga fk'eiki 'o e 'aho , pea moe lea he houa 'ilo.

Tauange moe 'Eiki ke kei tau malingi mai 'ene kelesi mo ha malohi ke kei mafua'aki 'a e ngaahi fatongia, ke langilangi'ia ai hotau 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi.

'ofa atu ki si'I ngaahi fofonga kotoa pe ho tau 'api ni, moe teu ai pe ke tali 'a e tamasi'i 'Otua.
ofa atu moe lotu
'Atu

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From: tasil...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tasil...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vilimo Fakalolo
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:00 AM
To: tasil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009

[Ane Va'ivaka]

Kau fakataha aipe he fkamalo kihe faifekau oe paenga ni Sione Havea pea pehe kihe kau memipa naanau tokoni fkalaumalie ihe lesoni kosipeli oe sapate nae toki osi 22 o Novema.
Neongo koe kau memipa fanongo pe kimautolu o mau lavemonu ihe feinasiaki kotoape ihe paenga ni.
Fkafetai nae kau homou tokoni ihe Kosipeli aneafi ke tanaki mo fkamaama ae lesoni koeni o lava ai moe kii fatongia malanga aneafi.
Fkatauange aipe ke kei fai mai he Eiki hono fakafonu kelesi mo tapuaki mai paengani ihe koeni moe kahau na.

Ofa ia moe lotu
Ane Vaivaka Latu
Mangere/NZ.    

> Subject: FW: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:17:48 +1300
> From: manuatu....@tcc.to
> To: tasil...@googlegroups.com

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> 'Oku tufa atu e email ni koe'uhi 'oku kau ho tu'asila he memipa 'i he "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope"
> Ko e tu'asila ke 'ave ki ai ha'o email ki he Tasilisili ko e tasil...@googlegroups.com
> Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki he tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com
> Pea ko e website 'a e Tasilisili ko e http://groups.google.com/group/tasilisili
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[Lasinga Piutau]

Manu'atu, Malo mu'a e ngauelahi moe lava lelei ae  katoanga tukumo'ui na'e fai, Pea hange koe ongoongo lelei kuoke 'omi, 'ae ta'imalie 'ae kainga 'o Ma'afu he falakoloa na'e fai 'ehe Sekelitali. 'ihe folofola moe Lea na'ane fai 'ihe ma'ume'atokoni, Kkoe ki'i fehu'i pe 'Atu, pe na'e fiha koa e Si'i tukumo'ui 'ae kainga,  He kou lave'i pee pe kuo 'osi lakasi koaa ha kolo 'i tonga na 'Homou kainga he neu fanongo ne  'osi a'u homou misinale ki mu'a atu 'o 1miliona tupu, koia koa,, moe 'ofa ai pe moe lotu,,Singa.

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[Manu'atu Talifolau]

Ta'ahine Ane
Fakafeta'I mu'a ki he 'Otua he tauhi kuo ne faii, 'o kei fkkoloa'aki ki
tautolu 'a e mo'ui , malo ee fua ee ngaahi fatongia 'o tatau pe he tapa
kehekehe 'o e mo'ui,
'ofa atu ki he famili

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[Ane Va'ivaka]

Ofa atu Manuatu malo fua fatongia mai meihotau fonua pea fkafiefia he vakai hifo kiho tohi nae lava aipe mo homou katoanga  Tukumoui oe tau he sapate, saipe nae toe hao pe moe tauni ha foi sieke 1miliona e li ee hahaha tpu kohu ee, ofa atu kihe famili kotoa meihe Hufangalupe pea pehe kihe kau ngaue ae TCC. Fakatauange ke kei fai aipe he Eiki hono fkakoloa ae kau memipa kotoa i Tonga ihono ivi moene kelesi.
Ofa ia moe lotu
Ane.

Mangere/NZ.

> Subject: FW: [tasilisili] Re: Lesoni Sapate 22 Nov 2009

> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:14:25 +1300

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[tevita mafileo]

Fakatulou atu kau ki'i kau'i talanoa atu pe, Ko e ki'i fie'il o atu ai pe ki he katoanga lahi  'a e kainga 'o Maafu.  Pe na'e lava ke faka'ali'ali atu ai pe mo e kau tame'a 'a e kainga lotu ki he sekelitali lahi 'a e siasi?.

malo mo e 'ofa atu

sikei

2009/11/24 Ane Va'ivaka <hol...@hotmail.com>

> > 'Oku tufa atu e email ni koe'uhi 'oku kau ho tu'asila he memipa 'i he "Tasilisili-he-ngaluope"
> Ko e tu'asila ke 'ave ki ai ha'o email ki he Tasilisili ko e tasil...@googlegroups.com
> Ke to'o ho tu'asila mei he memipa ki he Tasilisili, email ki he tasilisili-...@googlegroups.com
> Pea ko e website 'a e Tasilisili ko e http://groups.google.com/group/tasilisili
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