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sfaupula

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Feb 24, 2009, 4:03:53 AM2/24/09
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'oku ou fokotu'u 'e au e tepile koeni ke tau kohikohi ai 'i he fkkaukau pe 'oku lava nai e me'a ko e unconditional hospitality 'i he maama koeni.
 
'oku fkkaukau e ni'ihi 'oku 'ikai kei lava e kolosi ia 'o kalaisi 'o pukepuke 'a e fkkaukau 'o e 'ofa tu'unga'a (unconditional hospitality) 'a e 'otua he 'oku fonu hono ngaahi 'imisi 'ona moe ta'e'ofa (violence). 'oku nau pehe tokua kapau 'oku fonu e 'imisi ia 'o e kolosi pea mo ha ngaahi 'imisi 'oku ta'e'ofa pea koeha ko aa 'oku tau piki ai ki he ngaahi fkkaukau 'o e kolosi 'o kalaisi.
 
'i he tafa'aki 'e taha 'oku pehe 'e he ni'ihi 'oku 'ikai lava ke mavahevahe 'a e maama ia koeni mo e me'a ko e violence pea na'a moe kolosi 'o kalaisi 'oku taau ke tau tali 'etautolu ko e unconditional hospitality 'a e 'otua 'ikai lava ia ke mavahevahe moe violence neongo 'ene ha ta'e'ofa.
 
ko e fehu'i: 'oku lava nai e me'a ko e unconditional hospitality?
 
kou feinga pe foki sami ke ma'opo'opo e talanoa, ko ia 'oku ou ki'i afe mai au ki heni e!

samipami

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Feb 24, 2009, 4:37:03 AM2/24/09
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Veni malo ia pea toe malo moe kamata mai e tepile "faingata'a Koe'ni..

 tuku mai hamau ki'i taimi ke fai ai ha kuunima, tukukehe e kau tama fa'a toutou kuunima ia..

sami

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Feb 24, 2009, 5:00:38 AM2/24/09
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fkongo leka ko e fokotu'u atu pe foki he ko e kaipulu eni ia e kau sio fklukufua ki he 'ofa 'a e 'otua pea 'e tonu ke nau mamalohi mai he me'a ni mo lea ta'e mamotu mai he issue koeni he'e hoko ia ko e fkkoloa kiate kitautolu. . .
 
ka ko e lau pe foki. . .
 
 
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Veni malo ia pea toe malo moe kamata mai e tepile "faingata'a Koe'ni..

 tuku mai hamau ki'i taimi ke fai ai ha kuunima, tukukehe e kau tama fa'a toutou kuunima ia..

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samipami

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Feb 26, 2009, 1:43:21 AM2/26/09
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---- sfaupula wrote:
 > 'oku fkkaukau e ni'ihi 'oku 'ikai kei lava e kolosi ia 'o kalaisi 'o pukepuke 'a e fkkaukau 'o e 'ofa tu'unga'a (unconditional hospitality) 'a e 'otua he 'oku fonu hono ngaahi 'imisi 'ona moe ta'e'ofa (violence). 'oku nau pehe tokua kapau 'oku fonu e 'imisi ia 'o e kolosi pea mo ha ngaahi 'imisi 'oku ta'e'ofa pea koeha ko aa 'oku tau piki ai ki he ngaahi fkkaukau 'o e kolosi 'o kalaisi.
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Veni tuku keu kamata atu hano fofoa 'e kaveinga ni,   na'a oku mo'oni koaa e kakai ia,,,

Veni,,, Fakamaama mai pe kae tuku keu kamata atu e ki'ii me'a ko'eni...

Oku fifili'ii 'e mamani, 'ae Kalusefai.. Koe 'uhi koe me'a Fakalilifu,tuku kehe me'a ia koee 'oku pehee koe "Kalusefai koe me'a Fakamaa ", Koe me'a koee 'oku pehee koe me'a Fakalilifu koe tautea ne 'ai kiai, pea 'ikaingata ai ka kuo toutou fakamanatua, pea 'oku fai tautolu he fakamanatua kae pehe 'ehe tafa'aki 'etaha sio atu kihono toutou fakamanatua e "fakalilifu". Koe talanoa 'ae tohitapu "tokua" koe me'a ia na'e hifo mai ai e Tama ( 'alo-'Otua" ) ke mate fakalilifu mo Fakailifa pehee,, pea 'ihe fakakaukau 'ae Kakai - Kuo hange leva ia ha "Fo'i Faiva", pe ha talanoa ne fa'u pea Fakatataa'ii ( Drama).

Pea ihe 'ene pehee, 'oku hange tofu pe ia ko'etau sio koee he "Passion of Christ" , hoko koee 'ae ngaahi tautea, kihe sino 'o Sesuu, pea ne fu'u faka'ofa  pea koe me'a pe ne hoko kihe kau matafaiva ko'enau tangi,mihimihi mo faka'ofa'iaa.... Pea te nofo mo ia ha ngaahi 'aho pea mohono malie 'oe talanoa,,, 'osi pe ha mahina , kuo ngalo ia pea ngalo atu moe faka'ofa'ia nete ma'u, ngalo atu moe mihimihi moe lo'imata'iaa..

Veni, koe me'a koee kuou fietanaki atu ai,,,'e faingata'a ke hoko pe 'e mahino 'ae "ofa tu'unga'a" ka 'ikai lava 

1.ketau "tui", koe me'a ne hoko kia Kalaisi koe " mamahi'ii 'e ia kitautolu", 'ihe fotunga 'oe Kalusefai.

2.Koe angahala koe me'a "Fakalilifu" moia kihe "mo'ui 'ae fa'ahinga 'oe tangata".
kapau 'oku fakalilifu pehee 'ae 'Kalusefai" pea ta 'oku fakalilifu pehee moe Anga-fai 'ae Angahala kihe sino 'oe Tangata moe Fefine.

3. Kuo pau ketau 'ahi'ahi ke "matatali" 'ae faingta'a 'ihe mo'ui, kae lava ke tau "ma'u pe a'usia" 'ae ola 'oe Kalusefai.

 Veni, 'e hoko pe 'ae 'Ofa tu'unga'a 'a Kalaisi koe me'a noa,,,'o tu'unga pe 'ihe 'ikai ketau "tui"..

fakamaama mai.......kau toki hoko atu ..

sami.

samipami

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Feb 26, 2009, 2:29:19 PM2/26/09
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---- sfaupula wrote: 
 > 'i he tafa'aki 'e taha 'oku pehe 'e he ni'ihi 'oku 'ikai lava ke mavahevahe 'a e maama ia koeni mo e me'a ko e violence pea na'a moe kolosi 'o kalaisi 'oku taau ke tau tali 'etautolu ko e unconditional hospitality 'a e 'otua 'ikai lava ia ke mavahevahe moe violence neongo 'ene ha ta'e'ofa.
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> ko e fehu'i: 'oku lava nai e me'a ko e unconditional hospitality?
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Veni tuku ke hoko atu  e lave....

'E fu'umahu'inga 'aupito ka kapu e "mahu'inga malie 'ae lea "unconditional" ( tu'unga'a pe ) kihe  kau Kalisitiane,,koe 'uhi he koia 'oku ne Fakamatala'i pe hulu'ii e mahu'inga 'oe "OFA", pe NGAUE 'OFA 'AE 'OTUA. kapau koe meaning of the word "UNCONDITIONAL is  "WITHOUT CONDITION OR RESERVATION , pea kiate au koia 'ae tefito'i me'a ke fai hano fakamahu'inga'i pe fifili'ii ,, "Why". pea mei ai 'a hono tali mo hano mo'ui'aki.

Veni kuo mahino lelei pe foki ko "Ofa" koe 'Otua ia, Ko 'Ofa koe uho ia 'oe 'Otua,, pea 'oku mahino 'ae Ikai lava 'ehe tangata ke makupusi 'ae "Loloto, Lahi, pe mauukupu 'ene "Ofa (himi535), He koe 'Uhi koe'ene Ofa 'a'ana ia 'oku " without condition "he 'oku 'ikai fakangatangata, pe 'iai ha me'a tene lava ke fakatataua 'ae "lahi" 'o 'ene 'Ofa..

Pea 'oku 'ikai leva ke malava 'ehe tangata ke "fakamatala'i 'ehonau 'Atamai" 'ae 'ulungaanga 'oe Ofa 'ae 'Otua.......

kiate au, Koe Unconditional Love pe Hospitalty koe " God's Power" - koe IVI,, pe tetau ui koe "MAFIMAFI", pea koia 'oku lau kiai 'ae himi 418:4 "kane tatau pe 'ae Kakai moe 'one'one 'oe tahi, kei lahi pe ho'o "PEKIA" [unconditional Love] ke 'ufiufi 'enau hia.


Does God then love men with an unconditional love? The Bible answers that question - not with

a "yes", or a "no". As with so many other issues, it answers it with both a "yes" and a "no". For the answer

depends upon the dimension of God's love which is in view, and upon the way we define the word

"unconditional". The Word of God confronts us with at least three different dimensions or degrees of God's

love for men, and we will be focusing upon each one as we proceed. Consider then the first dimension of God's

love for men

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sami.

Hunu Hunu

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Feb 26, 2009, 4:04:59 PM2/26/09
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Sami,
'E lava nai ke ta fakaeonopooni 'a e fakakaukau 'o e unconditional hospitality 'o faka 'uhinga'i ki he "spoil". 'I he fakakaukau ki he faiangahal, pe ka e 'ofa'i pe. Ko e fakakaukau 'o e discipline ko e fa'ahinga 'ofa makehe ia..............ko e fifili noa pe......hunuhunu 

sfaupula

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----- Original Message -----
From: samipami
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 6:29 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Unconditional Hospitality
 
Veni kuo mahino lelei pe foki ko "Ofa" koe 'Otua ia, Ko 'Ofa koe uho ia 'oe 'Otua,, pea 'oku mahino 'ae Ikai lava 'ehe tangata ke makupusi 'ae "Loloto, Lahi, pe mauukupu 'ene "Ofa (himi535), He koe 'Uhi koe'ene Ofa 'a'ana ia 'oku " without condition "he 'oku 'ikai fakangatangata, pe 'iai ha me'a tene lava ke fakatataua 'ae "lahi" 'o 'ene 'Ofa..

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malo sami e fkkohukohu. 'oku ou fktokanga'i 'oku talamai 'e paula 'i loma mo sione 'ia 1 sione ko e 'ofa 'a e 'otua 'oku ha ia 'i he kolosi 'o kalaisi (christians often describe this as unconditional love). 'ikai ko ia pe ka ko e sisu ko ia ko ee ne tautau 'i he kolosi, ne 'ai ki ai 'e he tamai e hingoa ko "'alo pele".
 
masi'i sami ko e ongo fkkaukau koeni 'o e kolosi mo 'alo pele, 'oku pehee 'e he tokolahi ia 'oku 'ikai ha mai ha me'a pehe ia mei he kolosi. 'uluaki pe 'oku 'ikai ha me'i 'ofa ia 'i he me'a ne hoko kia sisu (ha hono fklilifu mo ta'e'ofa 'i he faiva ko ia ko e passion of christ). ua leva, 'oku 'ikai ke hanga 'e he kolosi ia 'o fkfotunga'i mai 'a sisu ke mahino ko e "'alo pele". hange ko ee 'oku ki'i fkoli e fkkaukau fkeonopooni ia ko ia ko e spoil he vakai atu mei he tafa'aki koeni e!
 
'oku ou kei fifili pe au pe 'oku malava ko aa ha me'a 'i he maama koeni 'o fkha mai e me'a ko e unconditional hospitality, kae tautefito ki he va 'o e 'otua mo e tangata?

penisimani mone

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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:43 PM, sfaupula <sk...@bigpond.com> wrote:
malo sami e fkkohukohu. 'oku ou fktokanga'i 'oku talamai 'e paula 'i loma mo sione 'ia 1 sione ko e 'ofa 'a e 'otua 'oku ha ia 'i he kolosi 'o kalaisi (christians often describe this as unconditional love). 'ikai ko ia pe ka ko e sisu ko ia ko ee ne tautau 'i he kolosi, ne 'ai ki ai 'e he tamai e hingoa ko "'alo pele".
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 Veni, 'oku mo'oni 'a tfinau ee, 'oua 'e fa'a fehu'i!! Ki'i lahilahi tama, Melo ho'o fokotu'u paengaa!! Sai pe he mahalo ko e assignment, pea ke too mu'apate mai koe hotau maalohingaa ee. 'Aaa!! 'Aho kotoa pe ko 'ete tu'u hake ke lau e maaloo e 'Otua!! Te ki'i manga ki mu'a 'o ki'i tokoto hifo 'o 'ano tataha ke kaivao e puluu 'i Fangaeva.

Hangee kiate au, Veni mei he Tokaateline 'o e Kolosii 'a Luteloo, ko e kolosii ko e meeting point nai ia 'o e best of God pea mo e worst of human being. Te vakai atu mei he tafa'aki 'a e tangataa, 'oku 'ikai ha ha me'i 'ofa 'e taha 'i he kolosii ka ko e koto violence pe, ka 'i he vakai mai mei he tafa'aki 'a e 'Otuaa ki he kolosii, ko 'ene toki haa mahino nai ia 'ene unconditional love, pea ko 'ene toki ngali 'Alo Pele 'a Sisu 'i he'ene tautau kovi 'i he 'akau, mo'oni 'a e senitulioo 'i he kalusefaii, "ta na'a ne mo'oni pe; ko e 'Alo ia 'o e 'Otua," pea 'oku kei tipeiti aipe 'a e ongo view ko iaa, ka 'e kei pule aipe nai foki 'a e tafa'aki te te sio mei aii.

Unconditional love/hospitality koe'uhi:
1. 'ofa ia ne fai kimu'a te'eki ha nima 'e hapai, te'eki ai ha makatu'unga (condition) ke fai ai,
2. 'oku tau 'ataa kotoa ki ai, tatau pe ko hai 'i ha toe kuonga pe,
3. ka 'ikai te tau 'inasi aii ko ho'otautolu pe ia fo'ui,
4. 'ofa ia 'iate ia pe, pea ma'ana pe, 'o 'ikai koe'uhi ko kitautolu pe ko e toe haa.

'Ofa pe 'oku tuku mai 'a telekitonga he fo'i fakalave ko eni.
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fakapulia

sfaupula

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Mar 1, 2009, 9:36:25 AM3/1/09
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malo faifekau e fktalanoa mai pea 'oku ou kau he fkkaukau ko e 'ofa 'a e 'otua na'e 'i mu'a 'anoa pe (ontological) pea malava pe ai ke tau 'ai ki ai e fkkaukau 'o e uncond. hospitality. ko e me'a 'oku faingata'a kiate au ko e taimi ko ee ne hiki mai ai e 'ofa ko ia ki he mamani fkngatangata koeni. na'e lava nai 'o kei pukepuke 'a e fkkaukau ko ia (unconditional love) 'i he taimi 'oku fetaulaki ai e unconditional pea mo e mamani koeni 'oku fkngatangata pe hono lelei?
 
hypothetically, kapau te tau pehe 'oku 'ikai ke lava eni, not because god is unable to overrule our falleness and limitations, ka koe'uhi ko e tafa'aki e taha 'o e 'ulunganga 'o e 'otua (ontologically) 'oku ma'oni'oni pea mo faitotonu, me'ani te tau kei feinga ai pe ke kei pukepuke 'a e fkkaukau 'o e uncond. hospitality neongo hono fke'a 'i he kolosi 'oku 'i ai pe 'a e konga ai 'oku unhospitable?
 
hei'ilo......
 
 
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From: sfaupula
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:36 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Unconditional Hospitality

malo faifekau e fktalanoa mai pea 'oku ou kau he fkkaukau ko e 'ofa 'a e 'otua na'e 'i mu'a 'anoa pe (ontological) pea malava pe ai ke tau 'ai ki ai e fkkaukau 'o e uncond. hospitality. ko e me'a 'oku faingata'a kiate au ko e taimi ko ee ne hiki mai ai e 'ofa ko ia ki he mamani fkngatangata koeni. na'e lava nai 'o kei pukepuke 'a e fkkaukau ko ia (unconditional love) 'i he taimi 'oku fetaulaki ai e unconditional pea mo e mamani koeni 'oku fkngatangata pe hono lelei?
 
hypothetically, kapau te tau pehe 'oku 'ikai ke lava eni, not because god is unable to overrule our falleness and limitations, ka koe'uhi ko e tafa'aki e taha 'o e 'ulunganga 'o e 'otua (ontologically) 'oku ma'oni'oni pea mo faitotonu, me'ani te tau kei feinga ai pe ke kei pukepuke 'a e fkkaukau 'o e uncond. hospitality neongo hono fke'a 'i he kolosi 'oku 'i ai pe 'a e konga ai 'oku inhospitable?
 
hei'ilo......
 
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Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:40 PM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Unconditional Hospitality
 
Unconditional love/hospitality koe'uhi:
1. 'ofa ia ne fai kimu'a te'eki ha nima 'e hapai, te'eki ai ha makatu'unga (condition) ke fai ai,
2. 'oku tau 'ataa kotoa ki ai, tatau pe ko hai 'i ha toe kuonga pe,
3. ka 'ikai te tau 'inasi aii ko ho'otautolu pe ia fo'ui,
4. 'ofa ia 'iate ia pe, pea ma'ana pe, 'o 'ikai koe'uhi ko kitautolu pe ko e toe haa.

'Ofa pe 'oku tuku mai 'a telekitonga he fo'i fakalave ko eni.
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Malo aupito [melo] e langalanga mei hena,kiate au koe [unconditional hospitality] ko hono ai e taha 'oku ikai hano [ ngataanga] ko KOE mo au 'oku fakangatangata.Mo'oni ho'o lau na'e i mu'a pea oku ihe lolotonga ni pea ki he paangangalu o taimi.Koe kolosi  na'e ngaue aki ehe kau Loma  koe kamate'i anga 'oe kau faihia i mamani.  Hoko mai a  [Sisu] moe ikai hano Paunituli ki he kolosi talu ai moe hoko ae kolosi ivi kia koe mo au peake polepole ai. Ka i ai ha me'a  'oku fakangatangata ho tau mamani 'oku [OPE] ai ae 'Otua ki he tafaaki e taha,koe anga pe sio mei he kau Mental..NZ
Seniale.

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mahino 'aupito pe 'a e ope atu ia 'a e 'otua seniale, ko e fifili pe 'oku kei malava ke pukepuke 'a e fkkaukau 'o e uncond. hospitality (or love) 'i he kolosi hili ko ia 'oku 'ikai ke ha mai ai ha me'a pehe. 'oku mahino na'e foaki 'e he 'otua hono 'alo 'o 'ikai ko ha me'a 'e taha ne fai 'e he tangata, ka ko e kolosi 'iate ia ne mole ai e mo'ui pea 'i he'ene pehe 'oku ngali ko e kolosi 'oku 'i ai moe dimension ai 'e taha 'oku 'ikai ke fu'u mafana ki ai e tokolahi pea 'oku tau fa'afeinga ke fkpuliki, kae pango 'oku puli ai moe ngaahi dimension kehekehe mo mahu'inga 'o e kolosi. mahalo pe ko hono 'uhinga, telia na'a tau fk'ataa ai ha fkkaukau tokua 'oku ta'e 'ofa e 'otua. but must are all forms of inhospitability a form of unkindness and inhospitality?

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----- Original Message -----
From: sfaupula
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: [tasilisili] Re: Unconditional Hospitality
 
mahino 'aupito pe 'a e ope atu ia 'a e 'otua seniale, ko e fifili pe 'oku kei malava ke pukepuke 'a e fkkaukau 'o e uncond. hospitality (or love) 'i he kolosi hili ko ia 'oku 'ikai ke ha mai ai ha me'a pehe. 'oku mahino na'e foaki 'e he 'otua hono 'alo 'o 'ikai ko ha me'a 'e taha ne fai 'e he tangata, ka ko e kolosi 'iate ia ne mole ai e mo'ui pea 'i he'ene pehe 'oku ngali ko e kolosi 'oku 'i ai moe dimension ai 'e taha 'oku 'ikai ke fu'u mafana ki ai e tokolahi pea 'oku tau fa'afeinga ke fkpuliki, kae pango 'oku puli ai moe ngaahi dimension kehekehe mo mahu'inga 'o e kolosi. mahalo pe ko hono 'uhinga, telia na'a tau fk'ataa ai ha fkkaukau tokua 'oku ta'e 'ofa e 'otua. but must all forms of inhospitability be seen as unkind or inhospitable?
 
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