Re: [tasilisili] Ko e 'uhinga tefito 'o e kei Palopalema mo e 'Ulungaanga Movetevete e Kakai Tonga Uesiliana 'i Muli

[hingano pakileata]

Lotopoha

Oku ou mahu'inga'ia he poini 2 pea ko e mea mooni ia oku totonu ke mahino'i si'otau kainga kuo nau hiki fonua ki muli..ko e Otua mo hono mooni oku ikai pule'i ia mei he kulupu pe falukunga kakai oku nau tui kiate ia..
Ihe ofa moe lotu....

On 3/08/2013 3:17 PM, "Lotopoha Jeruel" <seluel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Tulou atu kae hao atu e ki'i vakai fklalo takapau ko eni.

'oku 'iai e tui 'a e tuliki ko eni ko e TAHA e 'uhinga lahi 'oku kei
'Ulungaanga movetevete mo ta'efietukulolo ai e kakai Tonga Uesiliana
'I muli ni ko  e:

1. kei fkongo mai e SUTT mei Tonga ki honau Le'o ke fkkau atu ke
Vahefonua mo Memipa SUTT mei muli ni ki Tonga.

2. te'eki Tui e kakai Uesiliana Tonga nofo muli ia ko e 'Otua ko e he
SUTT 'I Tonga ko ia ai pe ee he ngaahi fonua muli

3. fkkaukau e kakai Uesiliana Tonga kuo nofo muli 'oku TONUANGE 'enau
hanga 'o 'Uhinga'i e 'Otua mo e Tohitapu 'I ha TOE MATAKALI KEHE

4. Lahiange 'enau 'ofa ki honau motu tupu'anga (ki Tonga) he fonua KUO
FAKA'ATAA 'e he 'Otua ke nau NOFO FONUA ai 'o kaimouu he ngaahi
monuu'ia kuo TOO KAKAVA ai e kau holomu'a

5. laumalie 'o e feke'ike'i mo e movetevete ne hunuki he kuohili kuo
totolo pea pipihi he ngaahi to'utangata 'o e kakai Tonga 'o tatau pe
'I Tonga mo muli ni foki, pea kuo E'A LELEI he fktamaiki vale 'a
si'etau fanau.

6. 'ikai ke fai mo'oni e lotu 'e he kakai Tonga 'o tatau pe 'I Tonga
mo muli ni foki pea ko e toe fkloloma ko e kau ai mo e KAKAI KUO UI
PEA PANI ke fai e ngaue 'a e 'Eiki.

'ofa atu mo e lotu
lotopoha

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[kolo]

"Oku fai 'ae fifili lahi kihe ngaahi poini kuo ke fokotu'u mai he 'oku fakalukufua pea 'oku mahino 'o ta'e veiveiua 'oku 'ikai ko Tonga 'e toki ma'u ai 'ae 'ilo 'oe 'Otua he 'oku ne 'afio 'ihe potu kotoa pe.'Oku tau kau kitautolu Tonga he kakai mohu founga mo poto'i fale'i lahi kae fa'a si'isi'i kete tu'u 'ihe uhouhonga pe tui 'ae silipa 'oe tokotaha kuo lavea tu'unga 'ihe fakangatangata 'oe tu'unga a'usia.Na'e 'a'ahi ha tangata faifekau kihe pilisone 'oku ngaue ai ha ki'i tamasi'i koe puke fakamalohi'i 'ae pausa."ikai toe hano ha 'i hono 'ohake ki'i tamasi'i talu 'ene tupu moe fakakina.Kae te'eki vakai'i 'eha taha ia pe koe ha 'ae 'uhinga kuo kumi ai he'e ki'i tamasi'i tokua 'e ma'u mei he 'ene hold up 'ae pausa 'ae solova'anga 'o 'ene loto hoha'a.Na'e fai 'ae fakataha ha'a potu siasi kihe nga'ehu'ehu kuo hoko ki honau fai'angalotu.Na'e tutu'u mai 'ae kau ma'u mafai ke fakamahino'i ko hai 'oku nofo 'iate kinautolu kae fai ha'a nau ngaue kiai.Fefe kapau na'a nau omi 'o talanoa moe kakai he 'ikai ngali koe tauhi sipi 'ae fo'i naala ia koia.Na'e a'u tonu mai 'ae Palesiteni ia (tapu mo ia) 'oe SUTT 'o fanongo tonu kihe loto kuo hoha'a mo puputu'u te'eki kene me'a mai 'oku hala ha puputu'u ka ne nofo hifo 'o fanongo kihe ngaahi loto koia.Talu e kole kihe kau ma'u mafai ke hifo mai mei he ta'u kuo 'osi ke feau 'ae loto hoha'a 'ikai pe fai ha tokanga mai ia.Koe fa'unga nai ia 'oe tu'a moe maa'u lalo ?'Ikai koe fokotu'u poini nai ia 'o tala kihe li'ekina ke tuku 'ene puputu'u?Pe 'oku hange koe lao 'oe fepaki 'ihe mala'etau kuopau ke 'iai 'ae kau mate noa'a pea sai pe ia he koe friendly fire pe ia. Koe laumalie eni 'oe tangata moe fefine 'oku tau longoa'a ai.'E malava ke ki'i hifo mai mei he level 'oe luxury environment 'o fakaefuefu moe kainanga 'oe fonua.Mahalo pe ka 'oku feinga 'ae laauvale kihe tauhi tene tali hono faingata'a 'ia but please not to criticizing kinautolu.Kae lava kene fai 'ene lotu 'i laumalie mo mo'oni.Koe me'a tatau na'e fai he'e kau Falesi kia Sisu he'ene keinanga fakataha moe kau angahala.Ka na'e 'ikai tafulu'i 'e he 'Eiki ia 'ae angahala moe kau nofo lalo takapau kane talakaa'i 'eia 'ae kau ma'u mafai moe kau faka'uhinga me'a (Falesi,sikalaipe etc).'Oku 'ikai ko Tonga pe 'oku 'iai 'ae 'Otua ka koe fa'ee 'ofa mo'oni pe tene tali 'ae papala 'ene tama mo holoholo'i 'ae ihupe'e 'o "ene masiva 'ilo.Talamai kiate au he'e faifekau 'anepo 'oku 'ikai ko Tonga ka ko Sisu 'oku fai kiai 'ae lotu.Koe fifili leva why here (oz,nz,usa) koe laumalie pe koe kupe 'ene faka'ange'ange.KOE FIFILI LEVA KO HAI 'OKU NE FOAKI 'AE FAINGAMALIE ?KOE 'OTUA 'OKU TAU LOTU KIAI PE KOE MALOHI 'OE TU'UNGA 'OE 'ATAMAI.I wonder me'a ni koe lotu ia 'oku tau taukave'i.Ke tau criticize e people ka tau 'osi mai ki muli ni tokua koe faingamalie (opportunity) ma'ae famili?????? malie lahi ia.

Malo moe 'ofa,

Kolo.

[Penisimani Mone]

Ki'i fie kauitalanoa atu pe mei a Hans Kung (The Church)...kau ki ha un/nature 'o e Siasii...the Church is a sinful/holy Church..

Ne fou mai nai e fononga 'a e Siasii 'i ha ngaahi sosaiete kehekehe, 'a nau takitaha tanaki atu ki ai honau malohingaa, pea mo ha ngaahi vaivai'angaa foki. E.g. ne tanaki atu ki ai 'e he Siuu 'ene 'amanaki fakamisaiaa, mo'ui faka'aho faka'efikaa, koloa fakafuakavamotu'aa...pea ne toe tanaki atu aipe mo e mo'ui fakalaoo (legalism), mo tauhi fakatu'asino e ngaahi ouauu (external ritualism), etc...pea ko e faingata'a atu ke tukuaki'i ia ki ha taha pau pe kuonga pe taha, he ko e anga nai ia 'enau mo'uii....

Ne takai hake Siasii he mamani 'o e kau Kalisii, 'o nau tanaki atu ki ai 'ene potoo (wisdom), feeling for beauty/humanity, the koine, ko e fakakaukau loloto fakafilosofia 'o e faith, etc...pea nau toe tanaki atu aipe ki he Siasii mo ha fu'u much intellectualized theorizing rationalistic formulas, anthropocentric emphasis on  the doctrine of grace, anti-materialistic/anti-physical dualism, etc...pea 'oku faingata'a ke tau tukuaki'i ia ki hanau tokotaha pau pe kuonga pau, he ko e anga ia 'enau mo'uii...

Ne takai hake he kau Lomaa, 'o nau tanaki atu 'a e sense of form, order, authority, tradition, unity, etc...pea nau tanaki atu foki mo e secular political power, authoritarian traditionalism, formalism, juriticalism, triumphalism in theology and ecclesiastical life...te tau tukuaki'i pau ia he 'aho ni kia hai? 

Ne takai hake Siasii he kau Siamanee, 'o nau tanaki atu ki he Siasii 'a e feeling for subjectivity, imagination, freedom, personal inwardness, healthy impatience with dullness, etc...pea a'u aipe ki he'enau disintegrating subjectivism, naturalistic superstition, unfruitful mysticism, tendency to revolutionary individualism, etc...ko e faingata'a atu ke tukuaki'i pau ia ki ha taha, ka ko e anga ia e fononga mai 'a e Siasii 'i hono lelei mo e kovi fakatou'osi..

Pea ko eni kuo fou mai 'i he kakai Tongaa, USA, AUST, NZ, etc, he 'aho ni...hei'ilo atu ki he ngaahi fonua ko ee...pea tanaki atu ki he Siasii 'e he Tongaa 'ene foaki lii'oaa, 'ofeina mo fai'ofa ki he'ene kau ngauee, mateaki'i hoto ki'i siasii, etc...pea a'u aipe eni ki he'ene easy tendency to break away in time of leadership crisis, etc...pea ko e faiingata'a atu ke tau tukuaki'i pau ia ki he taha pau, ka ko e anga ia e fononga mai 'a e Siasii 'i he fonua takitaha...it is a historical sinful Church, pea faingata'a ke tau tafa ia (hhf) ke to'o hono ma'oni'onii ki hee kae toe pe hono angahalaa...

Ko e me'a ke fai mo ako leva, 'okapau kuo te'eki ako, pea manatu'i 'e he kau ako ki he Siasii kotoa pe...ko e kainga Tongaa, 'oku nau ki'i kainga nautolu mo e kakai Siamanee, 'o malele ngofua ange kinautolu ke mavahe leva mo maavahevahe he taimi 'o e leadership crisisc, pea nau makataki'i ngata'a e populaa, ta'emahinoo, etc...tatau pe he 1885, 1924, 1927, 1980s, 2010s, etc..'o kehe ia mei he kainga Fisii, Samoaa, etc...'oku faingata'a ia ke tau tukuaki'i ki ha taha pau, he ko e anga ia 'o e si'i kainga ko iaa... pea totonu ke fakafuofua lelei leva 'etau pule'i mo fengaue'aki mo kinautolu 'i he Siasii...as I have said... doing church with the Tongans is a very careful endeavor...

2013/8/4 kolo <kolo...@hotmail.com>

"Oku fai 'ae fifili lahi kihe ngaahi poini kuo ke fokotu'u mai he 'oku fakalukufua pea 'oku mahino 'o ta'e veiveiua 'oku 'ikai ko Tonga 'e toki ma'u ai 'ae 'ilo 'oe 'Otua he 'oku ne 'afio 'ihe potu kotoa pe.'Oku tau kau kitautolu Tonga he kakai mohu founga mo poto'i fale'i lahi kae fa'a si'isi'i kete tu'u 'ihe uhouhonga pe itui 'ae silipa 'oe tokotaha kuo lavea tu'unga 'ihe fakangatangata 'oe tu'unga a'usia.Na'e 'a'ahi ha tangata faifekau kihe pil, isone 'oku ngaue ai ha ki'i tamasi'i koe puke fakamalohi'i 'ae pausa."ikai toe hano ha 'i hono 'ohake ki'i tamasi'i talu 'ene tupu moe fakakina.Kae te'eki vakai'i 'eha taha ia pe koe ha 'ae 'uhinga kuo kumi ai he'e ki'i tamasi'i tokua 'e ma'u mei he 'ene hold up 'ae pausa 'ae solova'anga 'o 'ene loto hoha'a.Na'e fai 'ae fakataha ha'a potu siasi kihe nga'ehu'ehu kuo hoko ki honau fai'angalotu.Na'e tutu'u mai 'ae kau ma'u mafai ke fakamahino'i ko hai 'oku nofo 'iate kinautolu kae fai ha'a nau ngaue kiai.Fefe kapau na'a nau omi 'o talanoa moe kakai he 'ikai ngali koe tauhi sipi 'ae fo'i naala ia koia.Na'e a'u tonu mai 'ae Palesiteni ia (tapu mo ia) 'oe SUTT 'o fanongo tonu kihe loto kuo hoha'a mo puputu'u te'eki kene me'a mai 'oku hala ha puputu'u ka ne nofo hifo 'o fanongo kihe ngaahi loto koia.Talu e kole kihe kau ma'u mafai ke hifo mai mei he ta'u kuo 'osi ke feau 'ae loto hoha'a 'ikai pe fai ha tokanga mai ia.Koe fa'unga nai ia 'oe tu'a moe maa'u lalo ?'Ikai koe fokotu'u poini nai ia 'o tala kihe li'ekina ke tuku 'ene puputu'u?Pe 'oku hange koe lao 'oe fepaki 'ihe mala'etau kuopau ke 'iai 'ae kau mate noa'a pea sai pe ia he koe friendly fire pe ia. Koe laumalie eni 'oe tangata moe fefine 'oku tau longoa'a ai.'E malava ke ki'i hifo mai mei he level 'oe luxury environment 'o fakaefuefu moe kainanga 'oe fonua.Mahalo pe ka 'oku feinga 'ae laauvale kihe tauhi tene tali hono faingata'a 'ia but please not to criticizing kinautolu.Kae lava kene fai 'ene lotu 'i laumalie mo mo'oni.Koe me'a tatau na'e fai he'e kau Falesi kia Sisu he'ene keinanga fakataha moe kau angahala.Ka na'e 'ikai tafulu'i 'e he 'Eiki ia 'ae angahala moe kau nofo lalo takapau kane talakaa'i 'eia 'ae kau ma'u mafai moe kau faka'uhinga me'a (Falesi,sikalaipe etc).'Oku 'ikai ko Tonga pe 'oku 'iai 'ae 'Otua ka koe fa'ee 'ofa mo'oni pe tene tali 'ae papala 'ene tama mo holoholo'i 'ae ihupe'e 'o "ene masiva 'ilo.Talamai kiate au he'e faifekau 'anepo 'oku 'ikai ko Tonga ka ko Sisu 'oku fai kiai 'ae lotu.Koe fifili leva why here (oz,nz,usa) koe laumalie pe koe kupe 'ene faka'ange'ange.KOE FIFILI LEVA KO HAI 'OKU NE FOAKI 'AE FAINGAMALIE ?KOE 'OTUA 'OKU TAU LOTU KIAI PE KOE MALOHI 'OE TU'UNGA 'OE 'ATAMAI.I wonder me'a ni koe lotu ia 'oku tau taukave'i.Ke tau criticize e people ka tau 'osi mai ki muli ni tokua koe faingamalie (opportunity) ma'ae famili?????? malie lahi ia.

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[Sifa Hingano]

Malo Han Kung (Fakapulia) kataki he ta'e huu atu he fepotalanoa'aki na'a mou fai he na'e 'iai e ki'i maumau fakatekinikale ki he'eku misini. Na'a ku lava pe 'o lau ho'o kapeloto mai ka na'e 'ikai lava keu tali atu. 'Na'a ku 'osi 'ilo pe ia 'e au na'e 'ikai koho fakamaatoato ho'o 'u fehu'i na'e fai. Ka koho'o ta'e loto pe keu sign he fu'u document faufaua ko'eni. "ikai teke lava ke tali kohoku to'ukupu na'e mafao atu 'o fakamo'oni. Ki'i kataki hifo kau hao hake ai leva. Toki ha'u koe kiheni moe toenga ho'o 'u fehu'i 'o taa mai ke 'ai ha'o appointment pe teu 'ataa ke tali ho'o fehu'i. sh

Sifa Hingano

New Email Address sifah...@gmail.com

Genesis United Methodist Church

220 S. Main Street

Milpitas, CA 95035

Cell: 408-613-5005

2013/8/4 Penisimani Mone <peni...@gmail.com>

[Penisimani Mone]

Heheee!...ko e pango pe ia 'etau samena mo e Leimatu'a ko eni ko 'ene 'ilo'iloo ee..lol...Sifa, ko e vakai noa atu pe kuo folo ho'o fo'i'akauu...ke fai mo lele hake ho totoo 'ou...ka 'oku ke fu'u ma'olunga mo ma'oni'oni tama,.. sio ki he siilongo 'a e fu'u fakatahaa he 'osi e malanga faka'eiki fekau'i e kau faifekauu 'e he pisopee, me'a hake fu'u kau taki 'o e ongo Konii 'o fakamo'oni, pea ke kau hake ai...mani ee! 

Manatu ki he'emau kalapu 'i he Heluu, huu hake 'a e Pule Vava'u High, Tu'amelie Faitu'a, mo e kau faka'ilonga 'o Mailefihii, pea muimui hake ai mo Savali...pehee mai 'a Vatuvei (rip) mei Okoaa...Sii me'a!..Anga feefee e fakatee e kau pokumeii, pea teetee hake ai e pokualaa (hhf)?...lol..  

Kae sai, keu toki kakau atu ke fakatou 'ai ha'ata appointment ki he pisopee ee...ke ta toe fakatou lele mei loto ki tu'a mei ai...lol...'io...ko 'etau katoangaa eni mo e 'ahoo he uike kaha'uu, 'oku fai ai e ngaahi pola fakakolo...'ai mo lii mai ha kupe ke tokoni...'oua e vahe lalahi pe mo halafaki manuki mai...But with all due respect, Sir...we, kolisi tutuku, all salute you, and your lasting endurance in your ministry...seuke!...fight the good fight!...uphold the right faith, brother!

2013/8/6 Sifa Hingano <sifah...@gmail.com>

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[spa...@optusnet.com.au]

 .. doing church with the Tongans is a very careful endeavor...

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Pe 'oku lava nai ke tau pehee.... doing church with the Tongans is a very untrustworthy business....koe anga pe foki e peheee.....malo

2013/8/4 kolo <kolo...@hotmail.com>

"Oku fai 'ae fifili lahi kihe ngaahi poini kuo ke fokotu'u mai he 'oku fakalukufua pea 'oku mahino 'o ta'e veiveiua 'oku 'ikai ko Tonga 'e toki ma'u ai 'ae 'ilo 'oe 'Otua he 'oku ne 'afio 'ihe potu kotoa pe'Oku tau kau kitautolu Tonga he kakai mohu founga mo poto'i fale'i lahi kae fa'a si'isi'i kete tu'u 'ihe uhouhonga pe itui 'ae silipa 'oe tokotaha kuo lavea tu'unga 'ihe fakangatangata 'oe tu'unga a'usia.Na'e 'a'ahi ha tangata faifekau kihe pil, isone 'oku ngaue ai ha ki'i tamasi'i koe puke fakamalohi'i 'ae pausa."ikai toe hano ha 'i hono 'ohake ki'i tamasi'i talu 'ene tupu moe fakakina.Kae te'eki vakai'i 'eha taha ia pe koe ha 'ae 'uhinga kuo kumi ai he'e ki'i tamasi'i tokua 'e ma'u mei he 'ene hold up 'ae pausa 'ae solova'anga 'o 'ene loto hoha'a.Na'e fai 'ae fakataha ha'a potu siasi kihe nga'ehu'ehu kuo hoko ki honau fai'angalotu.Na'e tutu'u mai 'ae kau ma'u mafai ke fakamahino'i ko hai 'oku nofo 'iate kinautolu kae fai ha'a nau ngaue kiai.Fefe kapau na'a nau omi 'o talanoa moe kakai he 'ikai ngali koe tauhi sipi 'ae fo'i naala ia koia.Na'e a'u tonu mai 'ae Palesiteni ia (tapu mo ia) 'oe SUTT 'o fanongo tonu kihe loto kuo hoha'a mo puputu'u te'eki kene me'a mai 'oku hala ha puputu'u ka ne nofo hifo 'o fanongo kihe ngaahi loto koia.Talu e kole kihe kau ma'u mafai ke hifo mai mei he ta'u kuo 'osi ke feau 'ae loto hoha'a 'ikai pe fai ha tokanga mai ia.Koe fa'unga nai ia 'oe tu'a moe maa'u lalo ?'Ikai koe fokotu'u poini nai ia 'o tala kihe li'ekina ke tuku 'ene puputu'u?Pe 'oku hange koe lao 'oe fepaki 'ihe mala'etau kuopau ke 'iai 'ae kau mate noa'a pea sai pe ia he koe friendly fire pe ia. Koe laumalie eni 'oe tangata moe fefine 'oku tau longoa'a ai.'E malava ke ki'i hifo mai mei he level 'oe luxury environment 'o fakaefuefu moe kainanga 'oe fonua.Mahalo pe ka 'oku feinga 'ae laauvale kihe tauhi tene tali hono faingata'a 'ia but please not to criticizing kinautolu.Kae lava kene fai 'ene lotu 'i laumalie mo mo'oni.Koe me'a tatau na'e fai he'e kau Falesi kia Sisu he'ene keinanga fakataha moe kau angahala.Ka na'e 'ikai tafulu'i 'e he 'Eiki ia 'ae angahala moe kau nofo lalo takapau kane talakaa'i 'eia 'ae kau ma'u mafai moe kau faka'uhinga me'a (Falesi,sikalaipe etc).'Oku 'ikai ko Tonga pe 'oku 'iai 'ae 'Otua ka koe fa'ee 'ofa mo'oni pe tene tali 'ae papala 'ene tama mo holoholo'i 'ae ihupe'e 'o "ene masiva 'ilo.Talamai kiate au he'e faifekau 'anepo 'oku 'ikai ko Tonga ka ko Sisu 'oku fai kiai 'ae lotu.Koe fifili leva why here (oz,nz,usa) koe laumalie pe koe kupe 'ene faka'ange'ange.KOE FIFILI LEVA KO HAI 'OKU NE FOAKI 'AE FAINGAMALIE ?KOE 'OTUA 'OKU TAU LOTU KIAI PE KOE MALOHI 'OE TU'UNGA 'OE 'ATAMAI.I wonder me'a ni koe lotu ia 'oku tau taukave'i.Ke tau criticize e people ka tau 'osi mai ki muli ni tokua koe faingamalie (opportunity) ma'ae famili?????? malie lahi ia.

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[Tevita Finau]

Kole atu au ke tau ki'i tukuange mu'a 'a e MOU ko'eni ke maanava, 'oua
leva 'e kuku hona ihu. Ko e fakatautehina fakakonifelenisi 'eni ia,
'oku tokanga ki he lelei mo mahino 'oku fe'ilongaki 'a e ongo koni 'i
he'ena me'a. 'Oku ou tui 'oku 'ikai fakapopula'i 'ehe Femahino'aki
Felotolotoi ko'eni 'a e kau SUTT 'oku lolotonga 'i he Vahefonua SUTT.

'Oku langa-ngaue mo tofa-halanga-fetu'utaki mo fekau'aki 'a e MOU ni,
pea ne faka'ai'ai mo 'omai 'a e faingamalie 'o e fakatautehina mo e
fetokoni'aki 'i he tuukunga mo e levolo fakakonifelenisi. Ko e
fetaulaki 'a e ongo tautehina ke 'iai ha faingamalie ke na talanoa'i
fakalotofale hona kainga mo hona toto fakakonifelenisi mo ha me'a ke
na lava 'o lotu mo ngaue feongoongoi ai. 'Oua e ofo ha fo'ou.

'Oku ongo ma'ama'a pe mo ngali fakamateliee ko e kau ai 'a SH
hahahaha! Lau ho ta'uu neongo ho'o ngali tangata'eikii..'Ofa atu,
tfinau

On 06/08/2013, Sifa Hingano <sifah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Malo Han Kung (Fakapulia) kataki he ta'e huu atu he fepotalanoa'aki na'a
> mou fai he na'e 'iai e ki'i maumau fakatekinikale ki he'eku misini. Na'a ku
> lava pe 'o lau ho'o kapeloto mai ka na'e 'ikai lava keu tali atu. 'Na'a ku
> 'osi 'ilo pe ia 'e au na'e 'ikai koho fakamaatoato ho'o 'u fehu'i na'e fai.
> Ka koho'o ta'e loto pe keu sign he fu'u document faufaua ko'eni. "ikai teke
> lava ke tali kohoku to'ukupu na'e mafao atu 'o fakamo'oni. Ki'i kataki hifo
> kau hao hake ai leva. Toki ha'u koe kiheni moe toenga ho'o 'u fehu'i 'o taa
> mai ke 'ai ha'o appointment pe teu 'ataa ke tali ho'o fehu'i. sh
>
> Sifa Hingano
>
> New Email Address sifah...@gmail.com
>
> Genesis United Methodist Church
> 220 S. Main Street
> Milpitas, CA 95035
> Cell: 408-613-5005
>
>
> 2013/8/4 Penisimani Mone <peni...@gmail.com>
>

>> Ki'i fie kauitalanoa atu pe mei a Hans Kung (*The Church*)...kau ki ha

>> un/nature 'o e Siasii...the Church is a sinful/holy Church..
>>
>> Ne fou mai nai e fononga 'a e Siasii 'i ha ngaahi sosaiete kehekehe, 'a
>> nau takitaha tanaki atu ki ai honau malohingaa, pea mo ha ngaahi
>> vaivai'angaa foki. E.g. ne tanaki atu ki ai 'e he Siuu 'ene 'amanaki
>> fakamisaiaa, mo'ui faka'aho faka'efikaa, koloa fakafuakavamotu'aa...pea
>> ne
>> toe tanaki atu aipe mo e mo'ui fakalaoo (legalism), mo tauhi fakatu'asino
>> e
>> ngaahi ouauu (external ritualism), etc...pea ko e faingata'a atu ke
>> tukuaki'i ia ki ha taha pau pe kuonga pe taha, he ko e anga nai ia 'enau
>> mo'uii....
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>> Ne takai hake Siasii he mamani 'o e kau Kalisii, 'o nau tanaki atu ki ai

>> 'ene potoo (wisdom), feeling for beauty/humanity, the *koine*, ko e

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Tevita ,na'e mahino 'aupito 'ae sai'ia 'a NZ mo poupou ki he'emau fie kainga kihe SUTT, kataki pe kamo hanga mu'a moe Kaisa 'o totongi atu ha'aku tikite moha hotele kema nofo ai moe hoa peau toki pehee atu 'o fakamatala'i lelei 'ae Contract.Hili ia peau toe sign ai pe. Sio kiai Fakapulia koe anga ia e me'a 'oku pehee kake toe nofo koe 'o fakafehu'i faifai pea 'ilo ha toutou kalasi ono 'aha taha. sh

Sifa Hingano

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2013/8/6 Tevita Finau <tfi...@gmail.com>

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Malo Fakapulia

Amongst all these developments in church history, do you think the truth has always been as it has been? Or has the 'truth' been manipulated/shaped by these cultural variations!

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..... 'o malele ngofua ange kinautolu ke mavahe leva mo maavahevahe he taimi 'o e leadership crisisc, pea nau makataki'i ngata'a e populaa, ta'emahinoo, etc...tatau pe he 1885, 1924, 1927, 1980s, 2010s, etc..'o kehe ia mei he kainga Fisii, Samoaa, etc...'oku faingata'a ia ke tau tukuaki'i ki ha taha pau, he ko e anga ia 'o e si'i kainga ko iaa... pea totonu ke fakafuofua lelei leva 'etau pule'i mo fengaue'aki mo kinautolu 'i he Siasii...as I have said... doing church with the Tongans is a very careful endeavor.....

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Mo'oni lahi e 'careful endeavor'. Hangee kiate au ko e over-careful moe under-careful eni ia 'oku tau lele atu ai. I've always said koe ongo me'a fefusiaki he'etau fai e church: truth & unity.

Ko e ongo Koni eni 'oku fai 'ena fktautehina 'apee. Ka 'e tuai mei e mahino ia moe maau kuo lahilahi e fetekevakavaka'aki mo e tau fana 'a e to'utupu, inukava fuhu & drugs pea mo e maumaui'i e lao ngaue 'o e fonua.

Koe message 'a Sisu tama Fakapulia 'oku fu'u faingata'a fau ee.

[Penisimani Mone]

...hehehe!...'ofa mai Teita 'o holoki hifo 'a Sifa ke tau kei tatau pe...lol...

Mahalo pe tv ko 'etau talanoa eni he lower level 'o e church as a denomination, kae 'ikai 'i he top level of unity of the Church of Christ as his body,   ka neu fakalavelave atu pe, ko e kau Lomaa na'a nau toki tanaki atu ki he Siasii 'a e political power, unity = ke pule'i taha fakaluukufua mei ha feitu'u pau pe 'e taha, lotu he lea pe taha, etc... 'a ia eni mahalo 'oku tau laulea aii, 'osi, na'e 'ikai mahalo ko hono anga ia mei mu'a, ka kuo tau lau eni he 'aho ni ko e totonutahaa ia e Siasii, ke more as an regulated world organization than the body of Christ.

...ko e me'a lelei pe mahalo he misiolosiaa ke tau vakavakai lelei pe ki he differences 'o e fa'ahinga kakai, nofo, pe fonua 'oku tau tauhi mo fengaue'akii, tautefito ki he taimi 'oku hoko ai e fehikitaki 'a ha kakai kehekehe 'o nofo atu pe nofo mai ke tokanga'i 'e ha siasi 'o ha kakai kehe...'ikai 'uhinga ia ke kehe 'a e Kosipeli ki he Siuu pea kehe ki he Senitaileenst, pe kehe ki he populaa pea kehe ki he tau'ataainaa, etc...'ikai!..he 'ia Kalaisii Sisu 'oku 'ikai pe ha faikehekehe ia ai...ka 'oku nau kehekehe faka'otua pe 'i he origin, values, history, language, theology, schools, etc and no one has a right to deny them in the church (if Church is the people of God) with lazy excuses.

Ka lava ia, te tau 'ilo leva, ko e kainga Tongaa, 'oku nau meimei tatau mo e mavahe ngofua 'a e kau Siamanee he leadership crisis, mo e fehi'a ngofua ke pulepule'i fakakolonia 'e ha kakai kehe 'ene lotuu, etc..  'E tokoni mahalo ia ki ha'atau fafanga/tauhi 'ene fanga lami/sipi ko iaa. Ko e me'a ki ha'ate maafa fata holo ha "book of discapline" pe contract 'ata'ataa pe, pe treat kinaua ko ha Tohitapu he ngaahi fakataha'anga 'a e different people of God ko enii, mahalo 'e kei lahi pe ha ngaahi mavahevahe ai...

...ka ko e anga pe foki eni ia e vakai atu...

2013/8/7 Sifa Hingano <sifah...@gmail.com>

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Ko ia pe ia Fakapulia! Pea kei malo mu'a e talanoa malie.

Ka kou kei fononga atu pe au eni 'i Ha'a 'Isileli mo e me'a 'a e 'Otua na'e fai mo e ki'i matakali ni (kimu'a pea maatu'aki hifo mai 'ia Sisu -'ai kakano). He hangee na'e hifo mai 'ia Sisu ke revemp & toe fklele'i 'ene lifeboat for the world!

'Ikai ko aa God started by using Israel as his lifeboat ne lii mai ke fkhaofi the rest of the world! So can I say that God was political in the Old Testament when he uses this tribe/country (Israel) ke tanaki mai ki ai 'a mamani as the way His people should live. "make a covenant with you Israel"

Pea faai mai pee 'o fiu pee koe Sihova he toutou talangata'a 'ene lifeboat pea ne pehee ke hifo mai and be amongst these 'chosen way of life' to try and correct them first pea toki ala mai leva to the rest of us to save from this stormy world.

Lazy excuse? I think when we ignore Israel (at any point in time), we are lazy to recognize how political was the God of Israel which is the very God oku tau lotu ki ai.

Koe mahu'inga ia 'o e maau 'a e Siasi! 'Oku ou ki'i fa'a tu'utu'ukina pee masi'i Fakapulia he sio hifo ki he fkkata 'aki 'e he 'etau kau Faifekau 'a e tuku pee ke takitaha fai hono loto, pea mo mavahevahe, pea mo takitaha fokotu'u hono siasi, pea mo hua'aki 'oku sai ange 'apee ngaahi kalapu kava tonga he siasi, etc.....

......'aaaaa... kuo ha? Kuo tau fo'i he tau ma'a 'Isileli? Kuo tau fo'i he tau ma'a hono siasi? Fai e mavahevahe ia koe toe sio sio holo ki he anga e ngaahi 'pule'anga' ko ee, pea tau laka kia Samiuela 'o talaange kuo tau fiema'u 'e kitautolu a king. We want our own little kingdom.

Ka ko e fa'ahinga teolosia inu-'otai pe foki eni ia ...

[Penisimani Mone]

Mo'oni 'aupito tv ho'o lave ki hotau history of salvation talu mei 'Isileli, pea fakafeta'i ki he afeitaulalo e 'Otuaa 'o ne ui mai 'ia  Sisu Kalaisi mo kitautolu Tongaa ko e 'olive vao ke kau ki ai. 

"Lazy excuses?" kataki pe tv, ka neu 'uhinga heni ki he fa'a deny to recognize 'e he host church e differences of the incoming christians from other differences (neu 'osi lave pe ki ai). Differences in spiritual gifts are not always sinful and not always self-jeobatizing, but can be recognized, respected, and harnessed for edification and build up of the Church.

Ka 'ikai fai 'e he host church 'ene homework ko iaa (he 'oku lahi ai e ngauee ia), te ne fa'a lazy excuses leva 'o ala ki hano political power, ke fakatui straight jackets hono kau differences ke nau conform, pee 'e toe tahataha atu ai e Church as the new Israel/people of God mei he chruch as any other world  institution ki he Church as of mental asylum, 'o hangee ko ia kou tau ngali hu'u atu ki aii..,should the Church (people of God) be treated that way?

..ka ko e anga pe eni ia tv e laulau hifo...

2013/8/9 tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>

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Mo'oni pe tv hano fa'a manukia 'o e Siasii, ka ko hano konga ia 'e taha, na'e 'ikai to hifo e Siasii mei langi, ka 'oku historical koe'uhi ko hono kakai, 'o fa'a lahi leva ai e mistakes mo e bad decision makings, etc..pea 'oku fakamo'oni'i pe ia mei he hisitolia 'o e Siasii, a sinful Church, 'oku lau'i, mo manuki'i, etc..but still the Church of Christ, a pilgrim church.. tau feinga ai ke toutou fakafo'ou, fakalelei, fakatonutonu, etc    Mahalo ko e Siasi 'ikai hano 'ila, lau'i, ngafe'u pe ta'emele pea 'ikai fiema'u ha'ane kole fakamolemole faka'aho ki he 'Otuaa mo e kakai 'oku 'i langi ia, pea tau kei pilikimi atu ki ai, pea 'oku 'ikai ha Siasi pehee ia 'o mamani mahalo.

Ka ko e me'a ke tau lau kuo laka hake ha kalapu kava tonga, toulanganga, kautaha he Siasii, mahalo 'oku ki'i hala ia he 'oku nau kehekehe pe:

'Oku nau kehekehe he foundation: 

e.g. 11He ko e me‘a ki he maka tu‘unga, tala‘ehai ‘e lava ‘e ha taha ke ‘ai mo ha tu‘unga kehe, ka ko ia pē ne toka ‘ai, ‘a ia ko Sīsū Kalaisi (1Cor 3:11)

'Oku nau kehekehe he means:

e.g. 12‘uma‘ā ha‘ane ‘alu ‘aki ‘a e toto ‘o e kosi mo e kafi, ka ‘aki hono ta‘ata‘a ‘o‘ona pē, ‘o ne hū ai ke tātu‘otaha ki he Potu Toputapu na, ‘o ne lava‘i ai ha huhu‘i ta‘engata. (Heb 9:12)

'Oku nau kehekehe he goal:

e.g. 2‘Ē, mou fei mo tauhi ‘a e fanga sipi ‘a e ‘Otua ‘oku ‘iate kimoutolu, ‘o ‘oua na‘a fai fakakoloto hono le‘ohi, ka ‘i he loto fiefai ‘i he funga ‘o e finangalo ‘o e ‘Otua; ‘o ‘ikai ko e sio pa‘anga ‘uli, ka ‘i he ‘ofa ki he ngāue;∗ 3pea ‘oua te mou fakafie‘eiki ki he ngaahi potungāue, kae hoko ko e fa‘ifa‘itaki‘anga ki he fanga sipi. 4Pea ‘i he faifai pea fakae‘a mai ‘a e Tauhi Lahi, pea te mou ma‘u ‘a e pale ‘amalania ‘o e lāngilangi‘ia (1Pet 5:2-4).

'Oku nau kehekehe he scale of value:

e.g. 16Pea ko ‘eku lea ‘eni, Mou fou ‘i he Laumālie, pea ‘e ‘ikai ai te mou momo‘i fakaai ‘a e holi ‘a Kakano. 17He ‘oku holitu‘u ‘a Kakano ‘o fakafepaki ki he Laumālie; pea pehē mo e Laumālie kia Kakano: he ‘oku na feta‘ofi‘aki ‘a e ongo me‘a ko ia, koe‘uhi ka ai ha me‘a ‘oku mou loto ke fai, pea ‘oua te mou fai ia.∗ 18Ka ‘o kapau ‘oku tākiekina kimoutolu ‘e he Laumālie, tā ‘oku ‘ikai te mou mo‘ulaloa ki he Lao (Gal 5:16-18)

'Oku nau kehekehe 'i he membership qualification:

e.g. 1KO ia, tau tuku ke fakatonuhia‘i kitautolu ‘i he tui, ka tau ma‘ua melino ai mo e ‘Otua ‘i hotau ‘Eiki ko Sīsū Kalaisi; 2‘a ia foki kuo fou mei ai hotau tataki ‘i he tui ki he kelesi ko eni ‘oku tau matu‘u ai: pea ke tau vīkivikib ‘i he ‘amanaki kau ‘i he lāngilangi ‘o e ‘Otua. (Rom 5:1&2). 

Ko ia, neongo ai ha lelei 'a ha kalapu kava tonga, 'oku 'ikai pe ko ha siasi ia, pea neongo ai ha kovi 'a ha ki'i siasi, 'oku 'ikai pe ko ha kalapu kava tonga ia...nau kehekehe pe.

2013/8/9 tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>

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MALO TV MO FAKAPULIA E POTALANOA, '

Oku ikai pe teu tui 'oku lakaange 'ae kau Inukava Tonga he Siasi,, oku kei Hoko pe 'ae Siasi koe Ma'u'anga Tokoni ma'ae kau Inukava moe kakai,,

KA KOE UHI, kapau kuo fo'i pe kau faifekau 'e Ni'ihi he fakatoupikoi 'ae Kau Faifekau 'e Ni'ihi pea mahalo koe 'uhinga ia 'enau mapuhoi,, tukuange aa'ae kakai kenau faiteliha mo Tau'ataina.

Koe taha, Koe kau Inukava ( Fakatataa ki Fofo'anga 'o Senee ni),, Kuo mau lalaka moe Lao 'oe Fonua ni, pea oku mau Tui pau koe 'uhinga oku mau success ai ko'emua muimui mo talangofua kihe Founga kuo tuku mai meihe Pule'anga ( Fair Trading), pea mau fa'u ai moe KONISITUTONE, kene pukepuke kimautolu meihe ngaahi Fakafili pe ngaahi faka'atungia 'oe 'Atakai..

Koe Siasi pe ngaahi Fai'anga Lotu, oku nau lele pe he me'a 'ae Tohitapu tokua koia eme'a oku lelei, ka , ko'eku vakai , kuo ta'engali ia moe Lotu lelei na'e ha'u mo Sisu,,

Pea koe me'a leva kuo hoko , hange kuo mapuna hake ia kuo lelei ange 'ae Kau inukava ihe ngaahi Siasi, ka oku ikai teu tui pehee, Oku,kei maolunga pe 'ae Siasi, ka ko'ene hoko ko'eni 'ae ngaahi mapakipaki pe vavalau moe mavaeua moe fekihiaki ihe Loto Siasi, Pea teu ala tui leva KUO MAOLUNGA ANGE 'AE FEOHI 'AE KAU INUKAVA IHE NGAAHI FAI'ANGALOTU TOKOLAHI..

Ongo tangata , ko'eku fakatalanoa atu pe iho tau siakle ( fungavaka), koe ngaahi Fungavak kehe , oku nau kei lelei pe kinautolu,he oku 'ikai ha fekihiaki pe taufusi ai,, kotautolu pe Fungavaka..

koe kauitalanoa atu pe..

sami.

2013/8/9 Penisimani Mone <peni...@gmail.com>

[Penisimani Mone]

Ko e me'a 'e taha Sami, 'oku tau kau ki he Siasii 'i he personal faith in the first call of God in Christ...ko e membership qualification ia kae 'ikai ko ha conformity to church rules/regulations and no one has any right ke tuli ha taha mei he Siasii ki tu'a ai...'ikai ko ha private Siasi eni 'o ha taha pe fa'ahinga kakai, ko e Siasi foki eni 'o Kalaisi, io ko e kakai, ko e kakai 'a e 'Otua kae 'ikai ko e 'ai pe ko hai 'oku ne ma'u e property...

Mahalo 'oku holi e tokolahi ke 'oua e toe fakamalumalu mai he SUTT hano kakai mei muli, 'o fakatatau ki ha'anau ecclegiology...tau tui kehekehe mahalo ai, SUTT recognizes and honors different gifts of God's people, inclusive, listen patiently to members, and respect of people's membership qualification of faith, etc..mahalo 'o 'ikai vave ke laiki e kofe foa...tau tauhi fakalelei pe Siasii,  'okapau ko e kakai ia 'a e 'Otuaa,.., 'oua pe te tau fa'a confuse, misunderstood, mo vave ke fire taha he ko e me'a ia 'a e firm company Ltd mahalo...

...ko e anga pe lau hifo..

  

2013/8/9 Sami Pakofe <smpa...@gmail.com>

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Peni Mone, ta koaa koe founga fakanofonofo tatau pe ‘eni ‘oku ngaue ‘aki ‘ehe SUTT ‘a ‘eni ‘oku ngaue’aki ‘ehe Meto, ka mou nofo moutolu ‘o tapalasia mai ‘emau ki’i me’a. Koia mahalo ‘oku sai ketau kaunga kole ki he Uniting ‘o Australia kenau ‘ofa mai aa ‘o pusiaki’i atu ‘ae fa’ahinga founga fakanofonofo koia, pea faka’ata ke ‘iai pe ha sea ‘oe kau Roformer fakahoholoto, pea faka’ataa pe mo ha sea ‘oe kau taliangi kihe tu’utu’uni, ka koe me’a tepuu ke faka’ataa moha sea ‘oe kau gay moe lesbian – he koe kau muimui kotoa pe ‘o Sisu.

 

Ko’ene lava pe ketau tali ia, pea tau sign leva he aleapau ‘a Sifa Hingano,  pea tau taki nofo pe hono ki’i muifonua ‘o takitaha tokanga ki hono fakanofonofo ‘oe kau muimui kia Sisu. Moe ‘ofa moe lotu. Lone

[sisilia tupou-thomas]

Rev Penisimani Mone, ko e toki a'u mai eni e popao mei Tongamama'o ke meimuia ho'omou feme'a'aki he me'a kuo hoko ki he siasi! 'Uhinga 'eku huu vave atu ko eni ko ho'o lave ki he 'host church' ke fai 'enau homework! Ne lahilahi 'eku kau he fa'a fakataha'anga organised 'e he va'a 'i he loto siasi (UCA)
'oku tokanga makehe ki he tafa'aki 'o e ngaahi matakali kehekehe he siasi (Cross-Cultural & Multicultural Ministry), pea kuo lahi 'eku fa'a fehu'ia e readiness 'a e host church ke deal mo e ngaahi issues 'oku makape mei he ngaahi ethnic congregations! Taha 'eku ngaahi comments, hangehangee kiate au na'e/'oku fu'u vave hono fa'ofua (embrace) 'e he host church 'a e ngaahi matakali, 'ikai ke nau 'ilopau 'what they have brought onboard! 

 

By saying that, 'oku mahino kiate au he taimi ;lahi e feinga 'a e kau palangi ke fai honau lelei taha ki he kakai matakali kehe! They're very sensitive towards our needs, 'o fa'a afe'i ai 'enau ngaahi tu'utu'uni he ngaue/fale'i hotau kau fakafofonga pe (Tongans). Pea 'oku ou fehu'ia heni e le'o 'o e kau mediators, pe 'oku faka'aonga'i e 'prophetic voice' pe kuo mo'oni e lea ia 'a e fine'eiki mei motu, kuo 'pathetic' e voice ia 'o kau fiafekau toko lahi he ngaahi 'aho ni! Kau koma he he kuo tuku e ako! 'Ofa atu, Sisilia.

 

'3/8/9 Penisimani Mone <peni...@gmail.com>

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Fakapulia mahalo ne kamata too atu e fklavelave, ka 'oku mahu'inga ke puke mai e kaveinga 'o e tepile ni: 'palopalema e 'ulungaanga mavahevahe & mapakipaki 'a e kau Uesiliana ...'

'Oku ki'i lahilahi e ngaahi mapakipaki 'oku 'ikai ko e 'uhinga fkteolosia (I think ko e me'a ia 'oku tukuaki'i 'e he tepile). 'Oku hangehangee kiate au ko e palopalema 'oku 'ikai theological differences, ka ko e admin (ngaahi 'uhinga fkngaue - careless working practice). Ka 'oku ou malie'ia au he mavahe mahalo 'a e kau SUTT NZ, he na'e kamata pee he 'uhinga (laupisi pe nai), pea puke mai ai pee mo e theological differences (gay issue).

'Oku hangee eni ia ha C-section (hufanga atu). He 'oku tau 'osi tali pee foki ko e mapakipaki ko e founga pe ia 'e taha e tutupu 'a e ngaue ... but instead of natural birth (church planting), C-section is invasive, violent, dangerous but sometimes necessary.

Ko e lahilahi e ngaahi mavahe ia ki mui ni (Aussie & USA), ko e ki'i (launoa pe nai ... ko e manatu 'ofa ki 'api), pea mo ee pe ne mention 'e Lotopoha. 'Oku ou manavasi'i hono tukuaki'i 'e he Tonga e host church ... he 'oku ou tui na'a tau toki sivilaise hake pee, ka ko e ngaahi founga ngaue mo e lotu tohitapu na'a ta toki puke mai. Pea 'e anga fefee ai ha'ata oomai ki Aussie/USA 'o 'ilo ange ki 'iate kinautolu. Pea 'e mo'oni e pau'u 'a e tama ... ka 'oku ke fie fai ho'o lotu ko e lotu Tonga, pea ke me'a atu ki airport 'o heka ki Tonga.

I think ko e ngaahi mapakipaki isn't theological, but rather bad working practices

2013/8/8 Penisimani Mone <peni...@gmail.com>

[Sami Pakofe]

Malo mu'a  eki fakatalanoa mai, pea kuou tui koe me'a malie taha , kapau ne mou ihe feitu'u koee oku hoko ai efaingata'a ( mapaki/mavaeua).. Koe uhi he oku toe 'iai moe fa'ahinga sio fo'ou ia kuo kamta ke haa mai meihe kakai 'e ni'ihi...

Ikai ngata ia, ka moe anga 'enau lea, malie 'aupito,, koe sio moe lea , fo'ou 'aupito.

Ka kuou tui oku mo'oni e talatalaifale 'a Shumway,,, 'oua 'e pa me'a mo huu kitu'a,,, kate ki tangutu hifo, he koe taimi 'e taha oku mo'oni elau 'a tv, koe me'a laupisi pe mo laulaunoa, pea taimi 'e taha 'ai pe fo'i fakaoli fakakava tonga 'a taha , hoko pe ia koe mo'oni kihe kakai koee oku nau vale he hua mo mamaha fakatalanoa,,,

koe 'amanaki lelei moe femalimali'aki moe maheni nenau ma'u kuo pulia atu, kae ha mai 'ae sio moe lea fo'ou,,, malie 'aupito, he ka ikai ke faito'o e, hoko e sio moe fa'ahinga lea koia, koe mo'oni, pe koe koto fakaoli ihe kaha'u.

sami.

2013/8/12 tv <ti.va...@gmail.com>